That whole boost pressure vs manifold pressure thing was fascinating to learn about, it made me decide to start reading and research the difference. Edit: To the point, I learned that if an ECU controls the wastegate using Boost Pressure, the engine loses power as altitude increases, since its only maintaining pressure over atmospheric which is dropping, and by reading Manifold Pressure, as all modern engines do, it increases the Boost Pressure at higher altitudes, keeping the engine power constant at the cost of increasing turbo lag as you get higher, at least up to a limit where the ECU doesn't allow any more simply due to the turbocharger's rated RPM limits so it doesn't potentially shatter, there's less resistance the compressor has to battle to provide boost since it has to spin faster to get the same boost so the RPM can reach higher and higher until it decides that it doesn't like being in one piece anymore.
@@Wings_of_foam Actually, I did not, that was all my typing. I do tend to go rather long-winded with my comments at times, mostly when I'm either excited, frustrated or rather fascinated at having learned something new XD It just goes on long enough I feel obligated to provide a TL;DR at the top afterwards XP
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. If this is a sign that this channel will be diversifying to cover more of those in depths vehicle builder games down the line, I'm very interested in seeing what will come up next.
Looooove the car, I know it looked goofy earlier, but the final result appart from the wing, almost everything looks amazing, reminds me of a modern MX5
The incline part of the track is for testing cars brakes (emergency brakes and normal brakes) on different angle grades to see if the car's brakes will hold.
I adore this combination, building in Automation is far from perfect, but throw in the compatibility with BeamNG it makes one hell of a sandbox. Over the years I have sunk waaayyy too much time into this process, I even had an entire manufacturers lineup of cars, trucks and vans running from 1967-2022 with different trim models and generations .
This car looks like it would be a blast to drive. Small, tossable, revvy, and stable at high speed. It's like the automotive version of your artificially stable totally-not-a-Kfir from a month ago. In fact, I'm just rewatching that vid and you make that very comparison at 1:50. As far this car being the "Sport" trim package of a model line, I see it being in the middle of a 5-package series: *Zip* - _Bare-bones. Manual everything and a peppy NA 4-cyl, live axle, regular fuel_ *Roadster* - _Like the Zip but soft-top convertible and with mild NA/suspension/aero tune, live axle, regular fuel_ *GT* - _luxury interior, hard-top convertible, auto transmission option, turbo, engine/suspension/gas tank tuned for longer range, more safety eqpt, limited slip diff, premium fuel_ *Sport* - _(the one you made in this vid)_ *Corsa* - _aero, upgraded cooling, vented discs, cam/ignition/turbo tweaks, lighter panels (aluminium or carbon (in the front if possible to offset nose-heaviness)), limited slip diff, premium fuel_
Hey, M82! I got a wacky plane idea: A twin fuselage triplane, forward swept variable sweep wings, 2 sets of canards, one in front of the other with a T tail combined with a normal tail. For propulsion you could use the weird combo of a very weak jet engine and a very powerful turboprop on each fuselage. I would love to see this monstrosity in flyout. Love your vids!
For once I get to be more knowledgeable about stuff in Messier's video XD. 1) Front heavy weight distribution causes natural understeer, not oversteer. Force generated by tire isn't linear with load applied to it, which causes "heavier" end of the car to wash out in corner due to innertia increasing faster than lateral tire force. 2) From what I can guess in the video, you don't have problem with oversteer but with rear tires being unable to put power down. It could be fixed by increasing rear tire width, slightly improved by reducing stiffness of the rear suspension (both normal and lateral - sway bars). Other way to limit rear stepping out under power is increasing differential's locking % under power, which you can only do in Beam - either by file editing or equipping car with adjustable race lsd. 3) Fixtures are your main tool in getting car to look right. Usually to get shape you want, you need to stack multiple fixtures on top of each other and play with layers. 4) When chosing material for a fixture in fixture tab there's an little icon with the lightulb on it. That's where you set up lights. I guess that your headlight was from "taillight" tab, which means you have to switch it from "brake/taillight" to "headlight" manually.
Looks pretty good to be your first car! I suggest moving the interior cam to the correct side, as well as lessening the window tint with the advanced trim settings tab (cog wheel when painting or adding trim) You can modify a lot of stuff with it, so make sure to experiment. Also, bring out the wheels so they have a more snug fitment under the wide wheel arches, using the tires and wheels tab. Magnesium rims might be a bit too expensive too, unless its a super limited trim of the car. Other details: add branding (model name, trim), use decal patches (steam workshop mod) to perhaps add a 2-tone livery and revise suspension settings to lessen low-speed oversteer. Other ideas might be a de-tuned 4 speed automatic USDM model, base model naturally aspirated inline 4 trim, or work on detailing (look up pictures of real cars during that period, and the best automation builds) Long post, but all of this will help you, feel free to join Automations and BeamNGs discord servers, plenty of helpful people there Download every mod under the sun, they will be used at some point. Worth mentioning: Modular Headlights, interior pieces, rim packages, white wall tires, engine bay models, badges and branding, exhausts and aero, just to name a few. Btw, theres an option to set the material, light colour and function of your lights when you click on them, you will see numbers on the corner of their picture. Set the front headlights to that, or as running lights. Currently its set at tail lights (not the same as brake lights) I still do that from time to time, despite having over 7 brands since I started playing, more than 300 hours ago!
I thought you content was the best, now its even better!!! I really enjoy watching your vids and everytime I wake up and see one of them in my subcriptions list, I get super excited!!!
The funny thing about me finding this channel awhile back is that I was playing automation and I was like "What if there was a game like this but for planes?"
I find it fascinating how we know so much about all the physics involved that we can basically create an very precise simulation in the form of a game.
I should have KNOWN you were gonna post an Automation video! I used to build cars in Automation and test them out in BeamNG before I got into Simpleplanes, and planes in general I guess. Thanks for the pleasant surprise in my notifications!
Heyo! ^v^ This was a fun little video, and a nice change of pace from flyout. I wouldn't mind seeing more automation in the future. I have a video idea for Automation, if that's alright. My dad's favorite car is the Mustang, and one of his favorite planes is the P-51 Mustang. I asked him why, and he said he really liked the engine noise. So my idea is this: Make a car that uses the (Packard V-1650) Merlin engine, or at least as close to it as you can get (since you'll probably have to make it yourself). I think that would be fun, and might make for a interesting/funny car. And you could do the inverse in flyout if you wanted. ; )
Also, could I suggest a car for next time? Late 60s/ very early 70s american land yacht, full size sedan with an even bigger 6,7,8,9 liter V8. Cadillac even went slightly past 10L. More bore than stroke usually, and push rod heads. Soft, boat like suspension and maybe ladder frame and live axle rear, with a 3 or 4 speed auto. MERICAAAA!!!
I just opened yt and saw u posted 2 mins ago haha. Love your content man, I wish one day I could have the attention span you have, but autism is keeping me back somewhat. Hope you all have a great day. ❤ Btw I'm a guy if u were wondering
I'm so excited that you finally tried Automation! After seeing all your Flyout videos I knew this would be a good match for you as well. I agree the fixtures can be pretty annoying to deal with, but your first car turned out really well, I really love 90's JDM. Any chance of releasing it on the Beam repository for the rest of us to enjoy?
First thoughts about this car, could use some anti roll bars/stiffer suspension to reduce body roll and help with steering. to help with weight distribution set the engine back a bit. could also play around with tire compound.
6:50 Being front heavy doesn't cause oversteer, it just means you can't put down the power as intensely so you're more likely to powerslide. When you're off throttle or braking, you're actually going to be understeering more. Rear heavy cars have no grip in the front on the gas and all of it in the front on the brakes, causing you to oversteer into a corner, until you get back on the power to understeer out.
You should give a game called Children of a Dead Earth a try. It's like Automation but realistic space combat, it's like Flyout but without the aerodynamics
My first car from automation to beamng was my attempt and making an American car that can challenge foreign cars. I think I did a decent job, and wish I could share it with you to try out. In fact, I wish I could share it with friends so someone else can test it out for feedback.
You might have inadvertently put tail lights as your headlights, hence them activating when you brake. I've done that before after adjusting the light colours and not realising.
Heh, if you think the fixture options are overwhelming now, wait till you learn to build entire cars out of 3d fixtures. This game can quickly become flyout on 4 wheels. Hell, if you want to build a plane in BeamNG, you can go ahead, it'll work.
You know what this vehicle is missing? A twin boom
Absolutely
needs a turbo prop too
So true!
@@adora_was_takenrolls Royce obviously
Can fake that with an oversized rear wing.
This channel just keeps delivering pleasant surprises.
That whole boost pressure vs manifold pressure thing was fascinating to learn about, it made me decide to start reading and research the difference.
Edit: To the point, I learned that if an ECU controls the wastegate using Boost Pressure, the engine loses power as altitude increases, since its only maintaining pressure over atmospheric which is dropping, and by reading Manifold Pressure, as all modern engines do, it increases the Boost Pressure at higher altitudes, keeping the engine power constant at the cost of increasing turbo lag as you get higher, at least up to a limit where the ECU doesn't allow any more simply due to the turbocharger's rated RPM limits so it doesn't potentially shatter, there's less resistance the compressor has to battle to provide boost since it has to spin faster to get the same boost so the RPM can reach higher and higher until it decides that it doesn't like being in one piece anymore.
Did you copy/paste this?
And be honest hehe.
@@Wings_of_foam Actually, I did not, that was all my typing. I do tend to go rather long-winded with my comments at times, mostly when I'm either excited, frustrated or rather fascinated at having learned something new XD
It just goes on long enough I feel obligated to provide a TL;DR at the top afterwards XP
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. If this is a sign that this channel will be diversifying to cover more of those in depths vehicle builder games down the line, I'm very interested in seeing what will come up next.
Great stuff M82, glad you enjoyed Automation! We've got some fun stuff coming down the pipeline in the next little while...
This Game is so fun I’ve had this game for a couple years
Looooove the car, I know it looked goofy earlier, but the final result appart from the wing, almost everything looks amazing, reminds me of a modern MX5
The incline part of the track is for testing cars brakes (emergency brakes and normal brakes) on different angle grades to see if the car's brakes will hold.
Now that Messier 82 is playing automation, I bet he's gonna make an XB-70
He has though?
>Builds airplanes
"I need a break"
>Builds cars
I adore this combination, building in Automation is far from perfect, but throw in the compatibility with BeamNG it makes one hell of a sandbox.
Over the years I have sunk waaayyy too much time into this process, I even had an entire manufacturers lineup of cars, trucks and vans running from 1967-2022 with different trim models and generations .
Now we need Sprocket videos
This car looks like it would be a blast to drive. Small, tossable, revvy, and stable at high speed. It's like the automotive version of your artificially stable totally-not-a-Kfir from a month ago. In fact, I'm just rewatching that vid and you make that very comparison at 1:50.
As far this car being the "Sport" trim package of a model line, I see it being in the middle of a 5-package series:
*Zip* - _Bare-bones. Manual everything and a peppy NA 4-cyl, live axle, regular fuel_
*Roadster* - _Like the Zip but soft-top convertible and with mild NA/suspension/aero tune, live axle, regular fuel_
*GT* - _luxury interior, hard-top convertible, auto transmission option, turbo, engine/suspension/gas tank tuned for longer range, more safety eqpt, limited slip diff, premium fuel_
*Sport* - _(the one you made in this vid)_
*Corsa* - _aero, upgraded cooling, vented discs, cam/ignition/turbo tweaks, lighter panels (aluminium or carbon (in the front if possible to offset nose-heaviness)), limited slip diff, premium fuel_
Hey, M82! I got a wacky plane idea: A twin fuselage triplane, forward swept variable sweep wings, 2 sets of canards, one in front of the other with a T tail combined with a normal tail. For propulsion you could use the weird combo of a very weak jet engine and a very powerful turboprop on each fuselage. I would love to see this monstrosity in flyout. Love your vids!
Love the bit when he said it's too quick for the public use, when on a german highway it would be overtaken in an instant
Bro we need more of this
Recently discovered your fly out content and found it super entertaining and interesting. As a sim racer/car guy, this is exciting to see
For once I get to be more knowledgeable about stuff in Messier's video XD.
1) Front heavy weight distribution causes natural understeer, not oversteer. Force generated by tire isn't linear with load applied to it, which causes "heavier" end of the car to wash out in corner due to innertia increasing faster than lateral tire force.
2) From what I can guess in the video, you don't have problem with oversteer but with rear tires being unable to put power down. It could be fixed by increasing rear tire width, slightly improved by reducing stiffness of the rear suspension (both normal and lateral - sway bars). Other way to limit rear stepping out under power is increasing differential's locking % under power, which you can only do in Beam - either by file editing or equipping car with adjustable race lsd.
3) Fixtures are your main tool in getting car to look right. Usually to get shape you want, you need to stack multiple fixtures on top of each other and play with layers.
4) When chosing material for a fixture in fixture tab there's an little icon with the lightulb on it. That's where you set up lights. I guess that your headlight was from "taillight" tab, which means you have to switch it from "brake/taillight" to "headlight" manually.
just when i was about to turn off my phone YOUR NOTIFICATION CAME UP
Looks pretty good to be your first car! I suggest moving the interior cam to the correct side, as well as lessening the window tint with the advanced trim settings tab (cog wheel when painting or adding trim) You can modify a lot of stuff with it, so make sure to experiment.
Also, bring out the wheels so they have a more snug fitment under the wide wheel arches, using the tires and wheels tab. Magnesium rims might be a bit too expensive too, unless its a super limited trim of the car.
Other details: add branding (model name, trim), use decal patches (steam workshop mod) to perhaps add a 2-tone livery and revise suspension settings to lessen low-speed oversteer. Other ideas might be a de-tuned 4 speed automatic USDM model, base model naturally aspirated inline 4 trim, or work on detailing (look up pictures of real cars during that period, and the best automation builds)
Long post, but all of this will help you, feel free to join Automations and BeamNGs discord servers, plenty of helpful people there
Download every mod under the sun, they will be used at some point. Worth mentioning: Modular Headlights, interior pieces, rim packages, white wall tires, engine bay models, badges and branding, exhausts and aero, just to name a few.
Btw, theres an option to set the material, light colour and function of your lights when you click on them, you will see numbers on the corner of their picture. Set the front headlights to that, or as running lights. Currently its set at tail lights (not the same as brake lights)
I still do that from time to time, despite having over 7 brands since I started playing, more than 300 hours ago!
Thank you for expanding your content. I’m excited to see how far you go!
HES ONLY GONE AND DUN IT FOLKS. HES DUN DA AUTOMATION!
Really great to see some more games on this channel! very good video man keep it up!
YES! I'm so glad your finally playing this, I hope you play more of it!
Maybe you could make cars in the Prop Punk universe?
I would really love to see more Automation content from you. So far you have the more pleasant voice out of the ones I've found that cover it.
No way, I was super into the automation/Beam scence 2 or 3 years ago, this is a treat
I thought you content was the best, now its even better!!! I really enjoy watching your vids and everytime I wake up and see one of them in my subcriptions list, I get super excited!!!
Wait we doing cars now?!
The funny thing about me finding this channel awhile back is that I was playing automation and I was like "What if there was a game like this but for planes?"
Same! Actually X-Plane has come with a plane maker for decades, but Flyout looks even better and is cheaper :)
Really great to see you doing some automation beamng, you absolutely bombed this car!
I find it fascinating how we know so much about all the physics involved that we can basically create an very precise simulation in the form of a game.
You should’ve said. “With all the body work out of the way we were ready to automation. I mean fly out. I mean drive out.”
Thicker rear tires might help with the oversteer
Would love to see more of this. I like watching people make cars in his game, there’s so many wacky things you can make.
I should have KNOWN you were gonna post an Automation video! I used to build cars in Automation and test them out in BeamNG before I got into Simpleplanes, and planes in general I guess. Thanks for the pleasant surprise in my notifications!
The slowed down headlight choice selection, creates happy salamander look on car.
I’ve been playing this game for years now, cool to see someone try it out.
Love when people play this game, good choice in reaching out to other games!
Heyo! ^v^ This was a fun little video, and a nice change of pace from flyout. I wouldn't mind seeing more automation in the future.
I have a video idea for Automation, if that's alright. My dad's favorite car is the Mustang, and one of his favorite planes is the P-51 Mustang. I asked him why, and he said he really liked the engine noise.
So my idea is this: Make a car that uses the (Packard V-1650) Merlin engine, or at least as close to it as you can get (since you'll probably have to make it yourself). I think that would be fun, and might make for a interesting/funny car.
And you could do the inverse in flyout if you wanted. ; )
Love your videos man you are really underrated
It sounds beautiful. :D
Also, could I suggest a car for next time? Late 60s/ very early 70s american land yacht, full size sedan with an even bigger 6,7,8,9 liter V8. Cadillac even went slightly past 10L. More bore than stroke usually, and push rod heads. Soft, boat like suspension and maybe ladder frame and live axle rear, with a 3 or 4 speed auto.
MERICAAAA!!!
Nice video, I love those video games!
Oh god this game, so glad you got into it...
I just opened yt and saw u posted 2 mins ago haha.
Love your content man, I wish one day I could have the attention span you have, but autism is keeping me back somewhat. Hope you all have a great day. ❤
Btw I'm a guy if u were wondering
9:10 I laughed way too hard at that
8:50 Ah yes, the "Eyes to look up and curse god for the misfortune of his existence" headlight style
the messier 82 is expanding i sense a golden age to come by very soon
I'm so excited that you finally tried Automation! After seeing all your Flyout videos I knew this would be a good match for you as well. I agree the fixtures can be pretty annoying to deal with, but your first car turned out really well, I really love 90's JDM. Any chance of releasing it on the Beam repository for the rest of us to enjoy?
The plane in this video looks a bit odd, but I'm sure it flies great
nice build, you could try playing with the wheel offset so the spacing in the wheel arches is better!
Dude your channel rocks
Oh thats exciting, do Sprocket next! We need the trifecta
How does every youtuber I watch play every game I play? btw please more Automation.
I love the automation video
Its nice to see you play new a game
Would love to see more BeamNG content interspersed throughout the Flyout videos!
First thoughts about this car, could use some anti roll bars/stiffer suspension to reduce body roll and help with steering. to help with weight distribution set the engine back a bit. could also play around with tire compound.
6:50 Being front heavy doesn't cause oversteer, it just means you can't put down the power as intensely so you're more likely to powerslide. When you're off throttle or braking, you're actually going to be understeering more. Rear heavy cars have no grip in the front on the gas and all of it in the front on the brakes, causing you to oversteer into a corner, until you get back on the power to understeer out.
as a automation player i enjoyed this content
Mercedes 82 is my favorite youtuber
Messier is just missing a train build!
Planes, Trains, and Automobiles..
You should give a game called Children of a Dead Earth a try. It's like Automation but realistic space combat, it's like Flyout but without the aerodynamics
Messier listened!!! Lets goooooooooooooo
Would love to see you try sprocket
mmm yes, drive out
As a car enthusiast i never excpsected this and it makes me happy
I need more automation from you, maybe you could recreate something like lightning mcqueen or idk. But just more automation!!!
My first car from automation to beamng was my attempt and making an American car that can challenge foreign cars. I think I did a decent job, and wish I could share it with you to try out. In fact, I wish I could share it with friends so someone else can test it out for feedback.
My first automation car was a twin turbo V8 SUV that's meant to compete against the Dodge Hellcats and it's fast asf.
We need more automation
We need more!!!!
Ive always thought that "design\engineering sims" and driving or flight sims should team up more. Hopefully more developers follow suit!
now we need to see you play sprocket
i love this game
You know what else this vehicle is missing? A quad boom.
Experimenting with other games? Hell yeah!
Upon hearing mention of it, I feel I should say I personally believe the thousand-horsepower minivan to be a rite of passage for Automation players.
This channel is amazing! If you added a hellfire missile to this i bet it would exceed operational capability. 👀💁♂️🤷♂️
Complete the trio Messier
Play Sprocket the tank designer game
Anyways, great vid as always
hmmmmm, so we have air, land.............(brain thinking sfx)....... WE NEED BOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is funny. Exact opposite of me. Huge Automation player. Wanting to get into Flyout.
I’d say make the cockpit area longer in the front, it looks a little funny
more of this please
Would you consider playing Bomber crew? I think your knowledge of planes could make an interesting playthrough
this is like a hot version feature
It feels so weird watching a Messier 82 video where I understand any of what’s being said lol
You should do more of these videos 😅
You might have inadvertently put tail lights as your headlights, hence them activating when you brake. I've done that before after adjusting the light colours and not realising.
Build a hovercraft in flyout using the ground effect
Being playing this game since 2015
Next video you should make a NASCAR style car
More automation content pls
That I would have suspected out of a flyout youtuber
Flyout? Nah drive-in
Bro needed a car to get gome from the airport.
Oh neat, you made Honda 2000.
Next time make RX-8 but make the Wankel engine 2.0L.
Heh, if you think the fixture options are overwhelming now, wait till you learn to build entire cars out of 3d fixtures. This game can quickly become flyout on 4 wheels. Hell, if you want to build a plane in BeamNG, you can go ahead, it'll work.
Your car is so light that the boxer engine is a higher proportion of the weight of the car than normal. Your center of mass would be crazy low.
Try to drift in some hard turns so you wont use the breaks much