AMD Radeon 6800 XT/6800 vs Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080/3070 Review - Which Should You Buy?
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- BIG NAVI!! Delayed a touch owing to the next-gen console deluge, here's the Digital Foundry verdict on the RX 6800 XT and the RX 6800. Priced below 3080 and above 3070 respectively, AMD's pricing pretty much falls into line with rasterisation performance. There's some innovative engineering here, and full support for next-gen features including VRS and ray tracing... but just how well do the new AMD cards straddle the generational divide?
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I only have "out of stock edition" cards right now
Here u can buy every version of 3070
Like to see those benchmarks
The performance hit using those editions is pretty substantial.
still better than a "3070 at 3080 prices edition".
Good one !
I stop making jokes about the new gpus because you won't ''get'' it.
@Peter Connell the joke, the gpu or the movie ???
@@Ali-Sensei the joke is you cant get it as in you cant get the gpu's
@Peter Connell the obsolete 8gb vram gpu? Xd
@@silverwerewolf975 Please stop using the word obsolete, you have no idea what it means and when it is applied.
@@ninetenduh an already dead gpu?
Stock frequency? No: out of stock, frequently.
I'll come back in 6 months when there is stock and watch this video.
Six months is hopeful. And I hope you're right.
I mean if you watch it now you’ll know which to get in 6 months... this doesn’t really make sense. It’s not like this video will change by then...
Their main customers got supply first , the youtubers. We can watch other people use New things we can't have 😑.
@@Jacobstoddy - dude I was just bitching about there being no stock LOL. I watched the video , Rich did a top notch Job as always.
@@karlnuttall2227 The main customers are your beloved Sony and Microsoft.
Sitting pretty with my 3080 FTW3. Nvidia's superior driver / software / silicon makes it a no brainer.
YES. Better product without doubt.
Not even a contest.
Yep, its obvious Nividia is the better choice here. Just wish people could get there hands on them. I was lucky, but many were not.
I hope Rich is feeling ok. He sounds like he is about to lose his voice. Take care DF dudes.
Its all that promotional sponsor recordings that his done 😄
He needs to get his voice raytraced.
@R.J Mcready This makes no sense considering recent DF videos which often show PS5 having better frame rates than series X
0:13
Series x fucking sucks
I have to admit I am a big AMD fan, but even I have to admit that spending the money equivalent of a PS5 on a graphics card that underperforms in all next Gen categories simply does not make any sense to me.
I'm probably going to buy a RTX 3070 paired with my R7 3700X and 1440p monitor.
What? 6800 is much faster than 3070 actual it's also 10% faster than 3070ti
For those playing on TV:
Number of TV models FreeSync compatible but not GSync compatible : 22
Number of TV models FreeSync AND GSync compatible: 8
Number of TV models GSync compatible but not FreeSync compatible: 5
--> For FreeSync, 30 TV models available
--> For Gsync, 13 TV models available
--> Winner: AMD
Also GSync TVs are way more expensive and unaffordable for a lot people.
(Source: Rtings.com)
My RX570:"You don't need them." 😢
Me: "You're right, babe."😘
I have one ,too. It is a nice little powerhouse for most 1080p games. Who needs a 800€ VC when the 4k monitor is the same amount of investment to use it fully?
@@callyacaos5339 I get RTX 3080 for my 1080p monitor and I don't have to buy any GPU next 5 years!
Me with my Vega 56
If you get VR, you are gonna need a newer nvidia gpu, good luck!
@@evolicious Yes for VR and UHD we need a better gc, but 85% of all gamers use 1080p or lower resolution. Less than 10% play on 1440p and not even 2% play on 4k.
I know people who bought a 2080ti just for playing WOW. I mean you can do that, but it is just waste of money for status. "hey, look at my big GPU you suckers"
I don't even ask people anymore for what they need such a GPU, because they all lie then. They all have 4k 240hz monitors a VR and 2 times 3090 for their content creation company...
9:07 "Rich says in-the-here-and-now" drinking game
Thats actually the most zen spiritual quote. And also true.
Witchard is a zen master OMG
Me thinking "just say present/currently/now/at the moment at least once, for f*cks sake!"
The where and when?
Cool comparison vid for the reference cards, but you guys didn't go at all into the incredibly insane OC'ing abilities of the 6000 series which can boost their performance results even higher. That more than balances the worth of them vs Ampere. The AIB 6800XT's like the Merc are showing some really good competition in rasterization vs OC'd Ampere cards.
PS5, Xbox Series, NVIDIA/AMD get em next year folks. 2020 won't have it.
2020 just isn't the year for any new tech. Supply and Demand 😑
@@mrdappernature8861 Ikr and now almost all PC parts are starting to become rare Glad I built my PC Like 2 months ago because those parts now are limited or out of stock
I'm settling with the RTX 3080 for now. 2020 was the year of long awaitings...I'm super happy with it to say it the least!
Awesome, at least you will be able to play Cyberpunk on Ultra settings on launch, whereas 6800xt had such a terrible performance in the internal testing by CD Projekt Red, that they had to completely disable raytracing features to not embarass AMD. LMAO
CDPR will have to downgrade raytracing accordingly so that AMD can use it later on. :D
But you're not settling. That is the better performing card in every area at every resolution with the full array of next fen features.
@@DravicPL Yeah..I'm all for the RTX obs single player games bro! GAME IS CLOSING IN!!!
yea, me2, the 3080 is by far the best buy atm, dlss2, RT, fast gddr6x vram and amazing performance
@@DravicPL dude I'd rather shit in my hands and clap than turn RT on in any game at the moment. Even on a 3090 the tech just isn't ready yet and crushes performance for what? some reflections in puddles and some nice shadows..... no thanks. I'll take 100+fps any day over 60 or below.
In Australia pricing is weird, we never got the fe 30 series so pricing for the 3070 is $999-$1200, the 6800 launched at $949 and the 6800xt launched at $1049 so if you can afford a 3070 you can afford a 6800xt
However the rdna2 cards are out of stock everywhere and AIB cards are priced through the roof.
So I preordered a 3070 and I plan on swapping it for an rdna2 card when I can actually get one for a decent price
Honestly I'm just going to hold out for the 3080 ti
I'm waiting for the 4000 series, RTX 3000 didn't really impress me and raytracing is still not fast enough for it to be anything other than a gimmick.
@@playcloudpluspc You'll be waiting for a very very long time...
@@AshA-ww8hc I think they'll be coming next year, Nvidia will want to crush both AMD and the consoles. I don't expect them to cheap out on the Samsung process node again.
@@playcloudpluspc Nvidia at best will come out with a refresh of Ampere that might use TSMC 7nm. And even if it launches, who knows when it will be actually available.
@Salt Maker Well it is kind of a gimmick given not many games have rt features, so the value of rt is low at the moment and usually requires 1440p and/or dlss. And in the future we can predict newer cards will give higher perf and the old cards won't be able to handle the rt work-loads of future games. So you are paying for something that could be considered a gimmick and has limited value as an early gen raytracing card. It might be worth it to you to experience the future now, but other people would rather wait when the are more games that support rt and better perf of rt stuff.
I love my 3070 for 1440p high refresh rate gaming
Same. 1440 is still the sweet spot for glorious PC gaming.
@Prince Rak Gaming lol
@@GameJunky513 Lmao, gottem
As a prior 2080 Ti, and now 3080 owner - the "next gen" features are overrated. Sure, there are 4-5 games that use it effectively, but we are still a ways off before it's a widespread feature. By the time it is (game industry dev cycles are about 4-5 years for AAA games - sometimes longer), AMD should have an equivalent feature. If they don't then that's a miss on them.
If I had the opportunity to buy both, I would have gone 6800XT. The 3080s are tapped out and 6800 series have a LOT of OC/UV headroom. Plus I game at 1440p120 since 4k120 w/ VRR is buggy at best right now.
Also, it should be stated that DF did a sponsor spot for the 30 series (exclusive one, at that). Given that history, I look at their results with extra scrutiny. Once you take the cheese, the temptation is always there.
I’m surprised they didn’t bench AC Valhalla, Dirt 5, Goodfall. These AMD cards are beasts at 1440p it’s a shame the AIB cards are well above msrp. I agree with you about RT being overrated and there are not enough games that support it. The same can can be said about dlss which I find more interesting. I also sold my 2080ti a month before Nvidia’s 30 series released and was lucky enough to buy a 3090. It’s going to be a couple of generations before we can get solid performance out of ray tracing until then I wouldn’t worry about it. I’m definitely going to be building an all AMD system when parts become more available next year.
@@Avalon1489 they didn’t because it wouldn’t fit the narrative they had for the video. The 6800xt is faster in those games than the 3080.
@@ccallaghan84 it's a shame game journalists are biased like this and people wonder why we don't have competition. AMD finally delivered now if they can get their pricing in check. I much prefered Hardware Unboxed review of the 6800 series.
Was waiting for a video from you since the launch! Although I have already chosen my GPU(3080) but your analysis is really good to check out.
Nvidia has been using ray tracing as another wedge, although I see it as extremely valuable. I'm sitting here in 2024 with a RX6800 in my PC, and 4060 in my laptop I just bought. And their RT performance is about the same, the RX6800 pulls ahead in everything else. So THREE GENERATIONS into RTX, 3 and a half years after this video is posted, and most people just don't care about RT because it is STILL INACCESSIBLE for many Nvidia RTX card owners, not to mention AMD. But the card can still do RT decently and there's be driver improvement. I thought the AMD cards would be 100% useless in RT, but that's not the case. I was gonna buy the 3070 during the pandemic pricing madness but it was literally $1300, I had waited too long and got the RX6800 for $600 within a day of it dropping almost $200 from previous listing. And HANDS DOWN the RX6800 aged better with 16GB of VRAM, FSR 2 and 3 are now available and fairly decent at 4K/1440p if you use the Quality setting and AMD also gave 6000 & 7000 series cards Fluid Motion Frames on ANY GAME run by DX11 or DX12.
To look back, of course 8GB wasn't enough. If Doom Eternal, Far Cry 6 and the Resident Evil Remakes were breaking 8GB right after the 3070 release, what did you guys expect? Developers to start using LESS VRAM?? DF has always had a mild blind spot for AMD cards and Nvidia does make the best high end cards, but damn was this a bad day one recommendation. I used to think AMD was the cheap/worse option, but after owning this RX6800, my mind has changed. The RX6800 still holds up mightily at 1440p and does great in slightly older titles in 4K.
For the same price the Ampere cards are ALWAYS the better choice and have more value.. Simply because they are a lot better at Ray Tracing and have DLSS 2.0.
Otherwise if they are the same it's a toss up.
frametimes look smoother on 6800 xt
Could be because Infinity Cache, some times even if I have higher fps on my rtx 2070 super I hate the jumping frames when they are soo huge...smoother frames would be tons better than high fps picks
But no dlss... Keep it in mind...
@@emulation2369 Not yet...keep it in mind. You also have SAM and better OC for now.
@@emulation2369 DLSS ain't even mainstream yet so it's better to go with 6800xt for now.
The RX6800 wouldve been perfect at the same msrp of $499 as the RTX3070. Significantly better rasterization performance, a bit worse ray tracing performance, double the VRAM so it can actually play games reasonably at 4K, same price. That wouldve been a "say no more" purchase right there.
But I guess it doesnt matter since neither card can be found (at msrp) right now.
Well, if there wasn't such a huge comunity worshipping Nvidia that would work
I missed the 9800PRO/X1900 era in terms of competitivity from ATI (now AMD). The time when the 9600PRO was the meta for any decent game rig, and the X1950PRO was the best cost x benefit in the market.
Would have been very interesting if you added an in depth review for the new Dirt. It has RT (although just for shadows), and AMD absolutely destroys Nvidia cards.
Basically, nvida once again wins due to newer technologies, better support, better ultaliaztion, and more potential.
I'd love for AMD to win st something, but alas, they are an ant compared to the nvidia boot.
they aren't an ant, are you kidding
You could argue that the 6800s are better than nvidia's offerings if you had no interest in ray tracing or downgrading your resolution through DLSS like a lot of us.
Richard, what if we we want to play at 1440p/144hz? Wouldn't it make sense to get a 6800xt or 3080 for that experience? A lot of the games you showed were in the mid to high 100's while the 6800 and 3070 were not.
neither. 3060 Ti, though could be less available than the more expensive cards.
I would still choose amd I can't help it I just like amd and I especially like amd color in comparison for me the performance is plenty and I just enjoy the image more people can argue all they want to but hey man we all have preferences lol
A wider mem bus + only 12gb would cost more or match 16gb I'd imagine. Less dies per wafer, less salvageable area per die on an expensive node.
And just reducing vram axes a marketable spec + people who may need that vram.
They don't need to cut costs that much when everything sells out, just undercut a tad.
Side note, frame time consistency also looks better on the amd cards if I'm not mistaken.
Still getting a 3080 due to workstation stuff tho.
Slightly disagree in that I think the extra VRAM in the 6800 XT will probably give it a longer life that I'd personally really appreciate if I was spending that much on a GPU. I know the compute power isn't going to have a good time at 4K but being able to maintain 1440p with future texture bloat is nice
Or it could give some wiggle room for creative solutions like just computing in advance and just keeping a boatload cached to the GPU
Even the 3080 isn't a 4K card. The 3080ti probably will be.
I still wonder if these GPUs even exist...
AMD and Nvidia should start releasing GPUs at much higher price points but also announcing a series of price drops at the same time they announce the product. That way they can sell the GPUs at the prices scalpers are selling them for initially and 6 months or a year later when inventory catches up they can drop the price substantially. Essentially, I'd rather the manufacturers get the money over scalpers. If they announced price drops right away, people wouldn't be mad about the high prices at launch.
Funny, in the end I am really glad I bought RTX 2080Ti two years ago, seeing this. If I had bought something cheaper and now wanted to upgrade to 3070, I would still in the end pay pretty much the same price and all I would get is two years delay with that level of performance. And I am ready for Cyberpunk without having to worry that I am not gonna get a GPU in time.
when Microsoft/AMD launch their DLSS stuff, series S might become the most interesting DF topic, sony wont be happy about that
and just wait for when next year's games show up asking for 12gb vram, DLSS ultra performance will become the green standard
What make you think Sony won't have its own DLSS? That's stupid
AMD's DLSS method has nothing to do with the Xbox. Just because there is an AMD processor and graphics card working in Xbox, you should not believe they can just use it 1:1. Consoles works in it's own way
You’re gonna get top performance with any of those cards anyway, so it’s just a matter of which one you can get your hands on lol. I prefer Nvidia but if AMD is available to buy now i will get one in a heartbeat
Why would you? Do you need it so much rn that it's worth getting a worse card for the -50$/+50$? With the features of the Ampere cards, the 3070 beats the 6800 and the 3080 the 6800XT.
@@darkdraconis Well i do like dlss and everything but in Australia i’d probably have to wait until mid 2021 to get a card, it’s bad here. Might as well wait until 2022 for the next series lol.
@@ROCKSTAR3291 I think, if you can wait, wait (I know folks always say that). I think AMD will have a "ryzen 3rd gen" moment with rdna3 I see the future bright red tbh, but perhaps Nvidia can pull something off too. For now RDNA2 is a joke and unfortunately, I need my GPU until early next Q2 next year :/ I will definitely buy a 3080.
The problem was seen straight away, 'next gen' is NOW current gen. Right now. Which means ray tracing isn't be some future trend, it'll be included in some form for the majority of titles going forward. Nvidia's advantage is so huge with it enabled it's difficult for me to lose out on that major groundbreaking advancement, the first we have had in a long time. Probably the most critical leap since DirectX10 over a decade ago. If you have a $500 card surely the majority want the bells and whistles. Some won't, those only wanting the highest framerates, but most will want to see this hype for RT and play around with it. That makes it an easy choice to go with Nvidia. Nvidia's 3060Ti could be $400 (when it arrives widely!) and still faster than a $550 6800XT when you have RT enabled- let alone DLSS........
What a great Nvidia card review! /s
I don't think that ray tracing and DLSS should be the distinction between the two cards. I've never spoken to anyone who would be willing to sacrifice their frame rate for those features. If AMD is within spitting distance of the top end at a better price in traditional rendering, then I say everyone should consider buying it. The more money they get, the more competitive they can be which is good for all of us. I say this as a 3080 owner.
As much as I'm rooting for team red, I think DLSS should be considered in the comparisons. The lack of feature set and a price very close to the competitor makes AMD less appealing considering the performance. You can argue that 16gb vram will give it an advantage in 2 years but when you buy a GPU, you expect to get the best of it here and now. Whatever "Super Resolution" they have in the works, it should've been ready at launch. Or at least another feature that gives it an appeal over Nvidia
Richard: Which Should You Buy?
Bots: no
Bots: Good luck!
Bots: My Kung Fu is stronger than yours!
@Wikimovel Haha, brilliant!
cant buy a next gen console and cant buy a new gpu, its sad honestly.
Don't know anyone who has gotten a current gen console or gpu.... pathetic.
amd didn't want to sell one per customer?
I just love all this "not available" battles.
These cards are releasing in 2022 didn’t you know?
i just bought one lol
I bet my hypothetical GPU can beat up your hypothetical GPU.
How is so hard to get? Got my Aorus RTX 3080 Master about 1 month after ordering it. Also i ordered an rx6800xt founders edition. Should get that in 2 or 3 weeks.
@@joshuamccarthy9250 the hypothetical bet in a hypothetical battle , hypothetical.
Joules per frame is my favorite performance measure.
Last time I was this early, AMD was still promising ample supply for their new cards
Nice!
On that note though, ample supply might very and not take into account demand. I think HU approach of waiting for a few weeks to see if supplies really are short makes sense given its common for supplies to be wiped out after launches.
No one promised anything like that. Don't be a fanboy kid.
And also their toxic fanboys, i still remember very clear just a few weeks ago when i came across one that was so sure that AMD is gonna have better stock than Nvidia. That Nvidia is doing artificial limitation because they are evil and sort of stuff and AMD is different that they are the good guys etc.
Mainly caused by the bullshit rumor that youtube channel Moore's law is dead has spread out. With the conspiracy theories against Nvidia and Turns out that he was very wrong, and AMD did just the same as Nvidia if not probably even worse than them. Because of AMD's Radeon Team Group's garbage misleading PR team .
@@ShadowRomeo1784 lol he wasn't wrong. And both amd and Nvidia fanboys are both stupid and crazy.
@@tacticalcenter8658 AMD' RTG's Frank Azor certainly did. And also their fanboys that relies on exclusive bullshit rumors from Moore's Law is Dead.
Radeon RX 6800 XT SE (Scalper Edition)
0:13 - What I whisper in my girl's ear in bed.
LOL
BIG NAVIIIII
ahahahaha lol
Looool
xD
Finally... A great comparison on the hardware we want, and can't find.
Don’t worry though, they made sure to send them to every content creator on TH-cam to make sure the hype stays alive. Luckily, for absolutely no one, the consoles got in on the action and did the exact same thing.
Nor afford (me)
I really want to see a more in-depth video then this after a few months. This is the first content that I have seen really looking at AMD's frame time performance vs RTX 3000, but I'd like to see such comparisons using AMD's own features such as Anti-Lag as well (same with nVidia's equivalents). I also want to see what games AMD can squeeze some extra performance out of with driver tuning, as the launch drivers seem really focused on stability.
Marketing and hype is why they send gpu to tubers. It is what it is. As frustrating as it is its not the tubers fault theres shortages. Be patient and whatever you do don't pay scalper prices. Remember that these are products that are mass produced and its a matter of time before the shelves are stocked.
Bad comparison.
Richard has dropped Crysis 3 and Assassins Creed Unity... feeling old :/
Crysis 3 has been misbehaving on AMD since the FuryX and Windows 8. So yeah, good riddance.
Terrible apps that are wildly unstable and unoptomized. Good riddance.
IF they ever get RT, we'll see them again.
Really? Just starting to watch, no rise of the tomb raider either?
@@raresmacovei8382 AMD was always shit with cryengine. Its not engine fault.
Appreciate the thorough review. One quibble: it seems like you treated red and green differently when it came to focusing on current games vs speculating about future games. For green, you were happy to speculate that ray tracing would be absolutely critical in future games, neglecting to mention the spotty adoption and widely varying quality in current games. For red, you opined that no current games require more than 10G VRAM and therefor it’s not a real benefit in your opinion, neglecting to consider what future games would need. Either approach (focus only on the current games vs speculate about future games) is fine, but to be fair it needs to be consistently applied to both teams. If you give one team the benefit of speculation about the future but deny that same benefit to the other, it smacks of bias.
He is nv shill
But the 6800 XT overclocks to 2.5 gigahertz base clock the 3080 has zero overhead. And the 6900xt over to 2.8 gigahertz easily and up to 3.0 with better Cooling. Funny how these guys never mention it
have you checked the fps difference?over the first 200mhz it doesnt even matter at all no fps boost,you can get +150 on 3080 too but thats nothing to what fps boost you get with dlss quality mode
If you can guarantee that *everyone* can get those results you have a point. Since it's not a guarantee you can find on the products spec sheet it's kind of a moot point even if you can get 1 sample to overclock the base clock 100% higher...
@@MLWJ1993 aib card go up to 2600mhz out the box man no overclock
And jay 2 cent got 1000 point more in benchmark when overclocked
@@legros731 Not seeing that being a guarantee in even the top dog liquid cooled OC models specs, so no guarantee to hit those clocks (again).
Coreclock: 2110MHz, boostclock: 2360MHz. Anything above that should be considered a lottery & is not something you can use in benchmarks since not everyone is guaranteed to hit those clock speeds.
@@MLWJ1993 body just check some video debauer red devil do 2700mhz with stock cooler and jay 2 cent xfx do 2700mhz
Aib card stock out the box run in the 2500mhz
Anyone remember the Physx P1 cards back in the day?
I wonder if it is possible and if we could get a dedicated ray tracing card where all the cores are just pure ray-tracing. That would last a couple GPU generations.
Or have it where you can use an older spare card with ray tracing support and use it as a dedicated ray tracing card.
that sounds awesome
Looking at the offers available on the website of my favourite local PC parts supplier, I currently have a choice between "out of stock" and "out of stock". Tough choice.
Out of stock is clearly superior.
@@FirstFloor27 it really is a lot to think about though, you definitely should make sure to do your research so that down the line you arent kicking yourself for not going with out of stock instead. I see your point though, there's strong arguments on both sides.
@@No-sr5fb I suppose out of stock does have it's merits...
You should just order both to compare them. Then return the out of stock that you like less.
Dirt 5 , assasins creed vallhala AMD wins by a lot in these titles , why so little people bench them?
Because it makes Nvidia look bad.
you will see slaughter on cyberpunk then,nvidia will have both rtx and dlss available thats a game to play not dirt 5
@@GuitarwolfZero well unless u put dlss or ray tracing. Then amd looks bad.
Heh, "wins by alot". Kind of reminds me of something else...
Even Warzone ..it’s like digital foundry specifically cherry picked titles to compare. I guess they don’t realize there’s other TH-cam tech sites out there that show the whole truth with a wide variance of titles to compare ..
DF = AMD doesn't do good on Nvidia titles and it does not have DLSS.
DF saying Nvidia is better option but ffs, ITS NVIDIA TITLE LMAO
@@syukrir.robert8994 I just wonder his payroll at Nvidia is. Always has been such a homer for Nvidia.
All cards combine for a total of 0fps.
* all in stock cards
AMD caught up to Nvidia in raster performance, but again is 1 gen behind in RT and AI acceleration. Guess AMD now has to work their magic through software and get as close as possible, and try to catch up to Nvidia with RDNA3.
Caught up? AMD always matched Nvidia's rasterisation at similar price points. The 5700 XT beat the 2070 often and trades blows with the 2070 Super on the regular. This isn't new.
@@SubiyaCryolite Caught Nvidia at the high end not just the midrange like last gen.
@@SubiyaCryolite the 5700xt was a throttling/overheating disaster. It was only superior to the 2070 when ran on a test bench with no opportunity for airflow limitations. Not practical at all
@@1999origamiguy The blower cards maybe. but if you buy a blowercard you somewhat deserve bad performance and bad thermals
@@1999origamiguy a lot of people had problems with the 5700 XT, however, the vast majority of them worked just fine. If not every single model would have 1/5 stars on online retailers (which isn't the case)
I wonder when ASS will come out
AMD Super Sampling lol.
😂😂😂ass
U mean FidelityFX Super Resolution?
aka FFXSR
aka Final Fantasy 10
Sooon but first we still watining for good and stable drivers and dx11 cpu overhead :D.
Too bad its going to be RSS
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Why not new games like Dirt 5 Valhalla Watch Dogs legion God Fall black ops=? Amd is Dominating here.
Try Cyberpunk 2077 with DLSS and Ray Tracing. AMD -> nowhere to bee seen
@@UmVtCg You are funny Cyberpunk ist not out now. crystal ball?
Valhalla is like resident evil 3. Its super optimized for rdna2 like re3 super optimized for ampere
Dominating where LOL?
Cyberpunk is being sponsored by Nvidia so it will most likely work allot better on their cards. Ill be playing it on my QHD Super Ultrawide with a 3080. So the card you pick should be based on the games you play and what features you want. DLSS and Ray tracing will most likely have an amazing implementation on in that game. I just upgraded from an RX580 to a 3080 mostly for Cyberpunk. It reminds me of a tabletop RPG i'm really into. Shadowrun
Really DF? What a shame of a "review" that reads more like a PR note...no commentary, no critique, "hopefully reach MSRP"?...for a real review follow HU or GN as DF has been too friendly to hardware makers sine forever (guess thats what gets you early access to 3080!)
Exactly. DF been soft because they want early stuff -- they do whats best for tthe company -- slowly being too nice.
@@gambaownsus Yeah, slowly losing my trust... I also remembered Alex's "it's the lightning" video to damage control Halo Infinite and blaming gamers reactions before the game was delayed
How is everyone ignoring that “big naviiiii” at the start? It was priceless
I lost it at the first second of the video haha
this is not big navi its not 80 cu version
@@razoo911 the architecture is called big naavi dude, the 6800 is already big navi, small navi was last year's gen
@@ivyssauro123 architecture its called rdna2
@@razoo911 RDNA 2's nickname is Big Navi 🤦♂️
Appears the AMD is really relying on Xbox and PS to give them the information needed for RT/ML on PC. Nvidia is clearly ahead. But for games without RT, this is a great card to buy now (if you can). Big winner though is Microsoft providing APIs to both companies.
" Big winner though is Microsoft providing APIs to both companies."
Vulkan > DX.
Screw MS....
Vulkan buddy
The problem is rtx is proprietary and game companies have to specifically add code for rtx. While directX and vulkan are adding universal support. Amd rather than making proprietary code for fewer games, is making Ray tracing available to everyone. The way directx and vulkan implemented Ray tracing is slower than rtx/dlss currently, but they offer an opportunity for coders to not go out of the way to support proprietary rtx which no dev enjoys adding and supporting.
verzocktes Vulkan doesn’t have a Direct Storage option do they? You say Screw MS but a lot of their tech is vital to the industry.
I get that DLSS is the kind of thing DF focuses on often, and it's a cool feature. However, as a current Nvidia user, I have ONE game which makes good use of it out of my massive library. Sorry, but it's just not something I would even consider in an upgrade right now. Your benchmark suite is not indicative of average current games which can be seen by looking at other professional reviews.
I've been caught up in the talks about raytracing and DLSS and then I realised I don't own any games that support DLSS and only one with raytracing support. The only likely use case for Ray tracing for me in the near future will me be for my own graphics experiments which will likely run well enough on a base 2060, to say nothing about the newer cards.
For me the main reason to upgrade is running some of the games I already own at 4k or greater fps at 1440p.
@@hannessteffenhagen61 He says it in the video. Many are anticipating that RT / DLSS will play a bigger role in the future than 16 GB of VRAM.
@@julian2719 sure, in the future. As in, 3-5 years from now when rt capable hardware is actually mainstream. Thing is, you'd have to be pretty silly to buy a $600 GPU and worry about 5 years in the future. If you want a GPU that performs well in the future buy a GPU in the future. If you want to buy a GPU now judge it on what's actually out now.
@@hannessteffenhagen61 Cyber Punk 2077 already released just a couple weeks ago and takes HUGE advantage of DLSS and RT. I can only imagine there will be more than 1 title in the next few years that we will see the clear advantages of the 3080.
Agreed, you can tell they're blatant Nvidia shills. I don't know why I even bother with their videos anymore.
A DLSS response is very much needed from AMD. Thats the real value in the RTX cards, and because AMD has no answer to that, their cards come out not looking on the same level as NVIDIAs.
Also the rt is also a big win for nvidia
DLSS is just marketing, you will get it in max 3 games per year, and play the rest at medium settings.
The problem is that NVIDIA fanboys never learn they continue to get played around, just like with physx, 3d vision gameworks, hair works and all that bs, that end up dead.
Meanwhile what is used to be entry level mid range x60 series, now costs 500 euro.
Thanks to this tards.
I hope they are able to find a response, which would also be a massive performance uplift for the consoles. If not for the current gen, at least for the mid generation refresh.
@@sokol5805 even then, purely hardware based raytracing implementation from Nvidia is a lot better than AMD
@@sokol5805 ok but you can’t deny that the rt in nvidia is better.
My prediction is that in the course of 1-2 years the 6800xt and 6800 will prove to be the better value. Between the higher VRAM, more mature drivers/optimization, and implementation of direct ML for a DLSS type solution. I myself plan on buying the rx 6800. All 4 of these cards are great products, I am just not that confident that the 8gb of Vram will hold up on the RTX 3070 3-4 years from now. I've seen games already use around that amount of vram today.
And by then there will be another gen or 2 of cards so it will be pointless.
@@jjnet123 pointless for someone to want to get the most out of their hardware? Most people don't upgrade their graphics cards every gen nor should they. Nothing wrong with wanting something that will last 4-6 years.
@@MANiACmiget925 yeah but as you are saying if the card is going to take 2 years to reach its full potential then it'll already be outpaced by new hardware, I'm just saying it seems redundant to buy something based on future features rather than buying something feature complete and being happy with it now.
@@jjnet123 I don't want to buy a 10gb card now then want to have to spend another 600pound in 2 years because my 10gb vram is holding me back. Rather just future proof myself with a a few more years.
@@jjnet123 This makes zero sense, because you are either avoiding or misunderstanding context... They aren't rating on it reaching its peak in two years...but obviously what will produce the most bang for the buck in the long time before you are forced on upgrading.
The part where they mention the 8GB of vam not being enough even today is more than enough context to understand the message they were getting across...
Pros and Cons:
pros : RTX 3080 - Stronger
Radeon 6800 - cheaper
cons: OUT OF STOCK
I wonder how much optimization has been done since November 2020. I wonder how vastly different the performance numbers would be if this content was revisited to find out how much AMD has improved the 6800 and the 6800XT
Now it looks like 6800 not XT can cope with 3080
@@OriginalHulkLP Yeah the non XT variant at worst case is about 10fps slower on average to a 3080. But in some games itll beat a 3080 at reference card clocks. overclocking it will obviously bridge that gap more. You can easily find a used 6800 non xt for 400ish these days too
The 6800xt AIB prices are well above even premium 3080 AIBs, which is just silly.
But they are better then 3080s. 3080s are maxed out out the box we all saw there is no overclocking headroom NONE. Nvidia had to scale the power back due to instability. AMDs AIBs overclocked the cards to perform at or better then 3080 in every resolution.. so it is effectively better then 3080 everywhere. Even 4k
@@elvo6217 lul the first 200mhz in oc matters from what i see in games the rest does barely nothing thats nothing compared to what performance you get with dlss 2.0 in quality mode let alone in balanced or performance,reply to me when cyberpunk comes out and tell me on wich card you can play 4k 60fps dlss quality ray tracing ultra i probably will on my 3080 while the 6800xt will barely get 40fps
Amd prices should be lower than Nvidia cards, because Nvidia offers more than just gaming with tensor cores while AMD does not. They scammed the world with the prices.
I want to also say that amd aib cards can overclock to over 2.5ghz and have coolers to cool them. Some cards were reaching 2.7ghz on air and 2.8ghz on ln2. They could go further but the bios have been locked to 2.8ghz. In any case, I assume aib's think this is acceptable pricing because of these clocks because performance in some games exceeds or matches the 3090, a $1500 card that's hard to find let alone at 1500. Amd and it's aib's are off there rocker with pricing as I mentioned, lack of tensor cores makes them look foolish at these prices.
@@elvo6217 except with ray tracing or particularly dlss. You know, the only new features that matter at all. If you're only playing last generation games then there's no reason for any of these products, a 1080ti would be plenty.
@@elvo6217 Nope thats false, Nvidia cards had bad driver that hurted its performance when OC causing less stability, now specially in 4K they get decent OC, also theres 2 kind of cards one is 3X 8 pin other is 2X 8 pin, if you get Gaming X 3080 trio from MSI which is pretty good value 3X 8 pin it will beat any 6800XT card in 4K with 450W bios.......... 6800XT cant push much further actually theres alot of questions regarding its frequency reducing its lifespan
Is it just me or am I the only person that doesn't know anyone that plays PC games at 4K? Everyone I know with high end cards have either a 1440p high refresh rate, 240hz 1080p, or an ultrawide
Nobody play pc on a TV this is why nobody play in 4k
4k monitor are stil not common and expensive
4k is over rated unless you play on a 65+ inch tv
The hdmi 2.1 OLEDs are gonna shift that a bit. Just way more value than so many of these monitors, I think it'll be much more competitive now.
I play at 4k.
I'm not very sensitive to frame rate (my N64 trained my brain in organic interpolation from an early age I guess?) but notice a significant difference in sharpness between 1440p and 4k.
Hoping anything comes into stock so I can finally finish building this PC... The second hand r9 290x temporary card does not a smooth 4k experience make... (Also deafening)
Funny enough, both AMD and NVIDIA cards look like a pass: Nvidia will release a "refresh" of Ampere to address high power consumption and low yields of the Samsung node and they'll have much better clocks, and AMD will need to push RDNA3 fast to compete in RT. Good news is that competition is back and prices dropped due to new consoles. The next batch of models will have to come out in a year or less and there should be stock available much quicker, while it will still be impossible to buy a 3080 or 6800xt for months to come.
I'm glad it's kept me safe and now I no longer wish to waste huge amounts of cash on an underpowered and grossly overpriced GPU!!!
at the time of writing this comment (28/08/2021), you can buy a 3070 for the same price as a 6800xt and you can buy a 3080 for the same price as a 6900xt. i think with the current gpu market AMD wins.
A Digital Foundry review of the various stock notification bots would be more useful.
Verdict, need a new gfx card to run the bot programs :)
so, AMD is still not on par with nVidia on the high end, so what?
how many games have DLSS and RT baked in? i can count them all with my hands, and most of them i dont play.
but here is a very valid reasons to go team RED:
*TO STOP THE PRCING OF THE RTX 2000 SERIES FROM EVER HAPPENING AGAIN*
pretty much all newly realeased games have rt stop shilling for a company which doesnt care about you
Even if AMD is cheaper, Nvidia still has the better features. If only Nvidia would make more than 13 GPUs a month :(
Hey! I'll have you know that Nvidia makes 15 GPUs a month. 😉.....😞
AMD is worse off than Nvidia in terms of stock rn
they sold their stock directly to crypto miners dude, thats why we getting nothing...
AMD isn't even cheaper except for the top top end so idk wtf their strategy is, there is pretty much no incentive to buy these cards. lol
@@OG-Jakey the 6800xt is slightly cheaper than the 3080 but I dont think $50 Is enough to justify no DLSS support and potential driver issuses
Guys who got paid by Nvidia to review 3080 on the announcement day are now giving advice on what videocard to choose. Oh, the irony.
LMAO I was going to comment the same thing. Brings a laugh to my self when people actually listen to this, there benchmarks were borked and nearly every other review of these cards online have more performance (on both sides as well not just on AMD).
Showing Control and Metro:Exodus which are nvidia sposored as a comparison? DF biased as always towards Nvidia, nothing to see here
I want to support AMD, to make sure there is competition. But, maybe I will try to get more out of my vega 64 before upgrading. Maybe see how the RX 7000 series does.
That's great, I will try to get a little more out of my Voodoo 2 card.
That’s stupid, reward them for being inferior.
i would say the price of the 6700 is a bit too high to justify. That is unless it has its own form of DLSS soon. As of now with DLSS in supported games the 3070 performs better at a much cheaper price.
If you playing at 1080p,then there is no need to buy new card...for real
I have to say... I don't know how I feel about DF about hardware reviews. Nvidia is promoted way too heavily.
Don't get me wrong, I have no home team when it comes to nvidia or amd, and I am using a GTX1070 myself. But I am puzzled why nvidia exclusive techniques are being pushed so hard by you guys at DF. Sure DLSS is awesome, tensor core RT is awesome. But there are only a few games using DLSS. and since it requires close collaboration with game developers. I wouldn't put my money on nvidia with this feature. In 2 years nvidia has only gotten a couple of titles with worthwhile DLSS implementation (ver 2.0). that's definitely not a key selling point in my honest opinion (what it actually shows is the opposite, that nvidia has failed to offer a widely spread use of their key feature)... and it is worth stressing this in a review like this. If you have no interest in these few titles.... well. DLSS is of no value at all. At the same time. AMDs upcomming technique will work for all games, which to me sounds much more enticing, even if it is only half as good as DLSS. because I know I will have more use of it (even for a back catalogue of games). Another worry is actually the use VRAM in next-gen exclusive titles. we are looking at cross-gen titles currently, and If you are buying for the future, I would actually bet more money on AMD at this point. More VRAM. + a super sample feature with more widespread adoption + console games being optimized for AMD architecture (incl RT). In the light of these aspects AMD actually look like a good alternative, and I would rather argue that it is a close between the two, and it is actually hard to make an informed decision currently.
There are currenty 21 games with DLSS implementation and 15 more games is coming in the near future, including Cyberpunk 2077, which is optimized for NVIDIA cards. DLSS is the future. Deal with it.
@@Alexx_80 well, first of all it needs to be DLSS 2.0, otherwise it looks like crap. And I do agree that the feature is good. But unfortunately it still requires commitment from devs. which is not very future proof. 16GB of VRAM is. :) Something that DF is downplaying 😳 (sorry for me, not rooting for any particular company, this leaves a me with a feeling of the video not being 100% neutral) for me DLSS is about the same as PhysX. As long as it requires partnership, I would not bet my money on the features for the future (oh sorry, this is my other account)
@@DennisRamberg You're completely omitting future texture compression algorithms. There will be no need for more Vram. It's a dead end. Some think great resolution is a dead end too. Clever upscaling is the future.
I agree that upscaling is the future. But I am not necessarily sure that a proprietary technique like DLSS is the answer to that. Advanced texture compression on the other hand requires hardware level support, something I have not read anywhere regarding the Ampere architecture. Do you have any references on this? Keep in mind, compressing textures for storage media is a completely different from VRAM since everything displayed in the frame buffer needs to be decompressed to its actual pixel data in runtime. But this is all side tracking. If we look at DF. There's a couple of things in Richards reasoning that I feel is plainly wrong. We cannot use a crystal ball saying that something is more relevant than the other. Something that Richard is doing in this video. The future in the PC space is very much unknown in this day. Both companies bring good technology to table, but DF shoots down all the positives with AMD, and the whole video is overwhelmingly unenthusiastic (something nvidia coverage never is) they praise Nvidia tech, although they have done a exceptionally poor job on widespread adoptation in games. Like I said, I like what both Nvidia and AMD bring to the table. and to be fair, we know nothing of how the future of PC gaming landscape is turning out. Something I think other sites handle much better (Like hardware unboxed, these guys are critical to both Nvidia and AMD. they don't cut Nvidia slack when they do a poor job. same for AMD) And I think the conclusion in this video is just really poorly made. PC Gamers should definitely not put their money on DLSS unless Nvidia does major strides with adoptation.
Just got a 6800 XT new for $550, and it kills. I don't think this video is a proper representation anymore.
never was
For those who tried it, whats so great about dlss 2. I never saw the appeal. It just made my game like it had a motion blur on with 2070 super at 1440p in Control.
Control looked a bit that way with DLSS off or on for me.
@@Safetytrousers what game had the best implementation of DLSS?
I have a 6800 and it’s more than enough power for a 1440p monitor. It’s a great card.
Ray tracing is unfortunately a gimmick still and will be until it doesn't drastically impact on performance. DLSS is not a suitable work around IMHO.
Its going "way" to far calling RT gimmick, it does offer a limited tangible benefit where implemented well. DLSS2.0 is excellent in the the games where implemented (being the primary issue), if DLSS was in all games AMD would be in the toilet without a response, as it stands DLSS is only a modest advantage atm.
Unfortunately, AMD GPUs at MSRP are no where to be found. You'll pay 100 USD extra at minimum.
Don't feed Scalpers. They are the reason of bot using to buy them and reduce the amount for everyone else.
@@UndeadCollector I don't think he's talking about scalpers, he's likely talking about retailers. Here in the UK, retailers are charging £750 for an AIB 6800XT (Sapphire Nitro+), which is a joke. Probably has something to do with AIB partners being greedy as well.
Only 100? Here in PL the only cards on the market are $200+ comapred to the MSRP.
$1500AUD for a 3080 here
@@zzzzUS exactly. Hence why I said "at minimum". I wonder if things will get better early next year
Y'all got any more of them timestamps, DF?
Either Lazy or YT F.UP again. Not the first time. Also, a different browser may solve the problem. But then again... YT F.UP again!!
@@daktaklakpak5059 Timestamps have to be placed in the video description to appear on the TH-cam player.
@@imadecoy. Have to? I think I've seen videos without timestamps in descriptions that had timestamps in the video player. Might be wrong though.
@@Oldsah Maybe you've never uploaded a TH-cam video, but there's no option to add timestamps aside from dropping them in the description.
@@imadecoy. you brought the ratio feature to the youtube comments section
Could you make a video of ac valhalla and trying xbox series x graphics settings on pc
Another terribly optimized game. That’s said, still better optimized than watch dogs legion.
Or even better: Black Ops Cold War next gen vs PC comparison. They get dynamic 4k@120 or 4k60 + RT (native res of ~1800p) which is ~RTX 2080 equivalent.
No! Compare a better optimized game XBSX dont run it the best. Ps5 does it a bit better, but pc and console comparison for that game would be a waste of there time. But, maybe they will. I'm not them. Lol
Ps5 settings would be more like it, seeing how SX drops dangerously close to 1080p
@@najib9093 The XSX is weaker than a 2080. Lol Even DF had to admit the 2080 ran bit better in Gears 5 than XSX.
what about dirt 5 ? amd is winning with rt on
And they also perform much better in Assassin's Creed Valhalla.
I also wondered why only "old" and nvidia RT optimised games were tested.
@@nipa5961 Gotta pick something & the rest of the world already "shilled" for AMD as people call it these days...
You can't test every game is the real point I'm getting at.
@@MLWJ1993 That's true you can't test every game. But only testing literally sponsored titles that came out 2 years before RDNA2 even launched and making a review mostly based on this one feature is so wrong in so many different ways.
@@nipa5961 is it? Or is it wrong that the rest of the reviews didn't do what DF did? Perspective is a weird thing when you favour a certain side.
Might as well be talking about unicorns. I think finding one of those would actually be easier.
If we are talking about vaporware, might as well make it 128,000+ CUDA cores at 4GHZ+ :p
Glad I have the Strix 3080 OC. My PC is ready for Cyberpunk
Bruh Lol we the minority
Asus tuf oc over here. Think I’ll wait on cyberpunk though. I see that game needing major patches.
Bottom line: Whichever of these cards you buy it's going to ABSOLUTELY DESTROY any game you want to run.
Today is a good day to game.
Unless you want RT
hahahaha no way....these cards get destroyed in FSX and Watch dogs..
Awesome review! Hope to see AC: Valhalla, CoD: CW, and Cyber Punk 2077 analysis on these new GPUs!
You go out of your way to sku results for Nvidia by using more games sponsored by them, rather than neutral games or balancing the Nvidia sponsored ones by using AMD ones also. You say the numbers do not lie which is true but you go out of your way to to sku the average with a poor selection of games. C'mon you guys should be better than this bullshit.
I believe DLss is just a feature that can't be overlooked.. it's a game changer and definitely give a reason to buy Nvidia rather than amd.. unmatched performance on 4k and 1440p super boost on FPS.. nothing and has can compete with it imo..
To the point that I believe Nintendo would be foolish not to use something similar to DLSS on its next, undoubtedly Switch-like and similarly underpowered console. They would gain a lot of much-needed performance ground if they do.
@@CptPakundo yeah I'm really curious if they can use it effectively.. might make 60fps next gen games a possibility..the multiplier is actually insane for performance when I saw it at digital video analysis video..
If AMD doesn't deliver something similar, the next consoles may be based on nVidia and ARM. X86 is losing appeal and AI upscaling is also the way to go. NVidia has both in store.
@FUCK YOU MARK SUCKERBERG AND GOOGLE ASSHOLE yeah very much like magic 40+ FPS by clicking a button bruh that's too much power..
*Terry crews screams power*
I'm still unsure about the amount of adoption for DLSS in the future. Right now it's certainly better than when Turing was launched but even from Ubisoft, AC Valhalla doesn't have DLSS but Watch Dogs Legion does.
Either that's because Valhalla is AMD-sponsored title or DLSS has high cost for submitting games to NVIDIA's machine learning servers.
DLSS is not better than a native image. It only looks better on Death Stranding if you have TAA enabled. Having said that, yes, DLSS is a feature you want to have but it’s not like native, not to my eyes at least.
How is DLSS better than native image quality Richard, please explain to us peasants here? DLSS uses a lower resolution image and upscales it, apart from Control and Young Blood, in which Nvidia had over a year to optimize dlss, every other game I've seen has had DLSS be way worse in terms of image quality! I guess you can test Nvidia with DLSS and AMD with 30% lower resolution, that would make it like for like pretty much! Gee, Nvidia's next gen feature is "auto change resolution in the settings" .
DLSS is not "better" than native high resolution image-quality-wise, but it's the best compromise of looking REALLY close to (and in a few cases better than) native high-res, while providing a huge FPS boost compared to running without DLSS.
Unless a new tech comes along that is incompatible with DLSS or makes DLSS obsolete, DLSS is here to stay and will continue to be implemented in future games with improved image quality and performance. AMD missing out on a feature like DLSS is a real bummer, ontop of AMD's cards already being significantly behind in ray-tracing performance compared to Nvidia.
Saying the card "doesn't live up in Control" is very misleading. The 6800 and 6800 XT are trading blows with the 3070, which is basically a 2080 TI competitor in terms of its RT performance. If people use the optimized settings that DF came up with when running this game on 2080 TI, these cards will run it absolutely perfectly.
Saying "DLSS takes these cards out of the running completely" and that "AMD is missing a game changing feature" or that AI is "better than Native" is complete BS marketing talk. Don't buy into that shit.
Stick control at 75% resolution scaling with AMD's Contrast adaptive sharpening, and you will have similar performance with negligible visual differences, and if we are being honest the AMD card will be running at a higher internal resolution than Nvidia's AI algorithm runs on any of its quality presets.
For AMD to be doing this well on their 1st generation at ray tracing across the entire stack, and at their price point is incredible. To be blunt, you guys are missing the forest for the trees when you make statements like that. For the money, AMD is kicking Nvidia's ass.
I'm still on my GTX 1060 because Nvidia has been so expensive and anti consumer. I have been wanting to upgrade for years and Nvidia has not convinced me to. Lest we forget in some titles the 6800 XT sits between 3080 and the $1500 3090. AMD deserves serious props for these cards.
Finally, some common sense. Up until the keynote back in October, a lot of these idiots were claiming that RDNA2 wouldn't even touch a 2080TI, let alone a 3080. Now the only arguments you see now is the typical "But...but...features!" while conveniently ignoring how dangerously close the 6800XT is to the 3080 and even *beating* the goddamn $1500 3090 in certain scenarios. For Digital Foundry to even imply that DLSS is better than native resolution is hilarious, but not surprising considering that they're very well known Kool-Aid drinkers for anything NVIDIA throws in their face. As someone who could care less about RT, NVENC, RTX Voice, etc. the XT is a complete no brainer.
In India RX 6800 XT is ₹77000 ($1036) and RTX 3080 is ₹62000 ($837). AMD messed up pricing in India and many other countries.
Yep same in france . When 3080 founders are in stock ( and yes they do ) they cost 730 with shipping. Reference 6800 cost 750euros. Reference 6800xt costs 800. Sapphire costs 900e. Ridiculous
Prices of all of the new cards are being price gouged at the moment, due to next to zero availability. I wouldn't expect them to come back down to MSRP until mid January at the earliest. Also, even when the cards do become available, don't expect most of the AMD cards to be cheap. Only AMD's own founders edition cards are priced that low. The MSRP of most of AMD's AIB partner cards, are seriously overpriced (+$60 - $200 over the founders edition cards)
@@fafski1199 I'm talking about AMD's own founders edition cards being $200 costlier than NVidia's founder editions in India. And the case AIBs its even worse here, lol.
I don't know what's the point in watching, by the time these are available to buy, something new will come out...
Yup! Waiting for the 3080 TI and I'm sure that will disappear within seconds when it's released sadly
It's a perpetual circle of forced scarcity so the consumers will always want a better hardware to buy.
Facts.
That something new will come out the same way as the current products - nobody will be able to buy them.
DLSS is the way of the future
Yeah, but I would say upscaling is the way of the future.
@@Nonx47 yep. As is Ray Tracing the next major fidelity boost, as opposed to RTX specifically.
I hope people are more going to realize how resolution alone isn't the best thing to do but implements a decent upscaling for better performance both consoles and PC.
@@Nickersont88 definitely! In the long run, when it's manageable and easy to get going without hurting performance, it will be much easier for developers to make lighting and really make games look amazing. It should be easier than baking lights into textures, especially as worlds and structures get bigger and more complex, getting good textures and then turning on a light and just having it work is much easier than shading individual things based on where the light is coming from. Will help make everything more dynamic too, since moving said objects would look weird once out of place.
Finally 3 years later : FSR2.0 and 3.0 are here, compete with DLSS, you can activate Xess if you want, rx6800 crush completely the poor rtx3070 with his poor 8go of vram (compare to the 16go of vram of the rx6800 !), rx6800 can always be very playable on news games, not the rtx3070 who are clearly one of the worst GPU made by Nvidia !
RAGE mode is just what happens when you try to buy ANY of the new GPU's right now.
Managed to get a MSI 3070, more than happy 😉 1440p with high framerate is still the sweetspot regardless if you have the most powerful card avalible right now
Exactly. 4K just doesn't make sense on a 27in monitor.
@@GameJunky513
Yeah... 4k gaming pretty much only makes sense for chill couch gaming when you plug your PC into a big 4k TV.
@Cryer24597
Yeah... As long as it isn't capped to 30fps lol.
@Cryer24597 Cause I hugely favour lower input latency & let's be real, that feature dumps *a lot* of input latency on top of already very subpar latency at 30 fps not to mention TVs aren't known for offering the lowest latency since image quality is favoured over low latency.
@Cryer24597
Not really difficult to tell if you're used to 60fps and above. No matter what kind of TV, motion both looks and feel bad at 30fps compared to 60fps. Only time it feels somewhat decent is in 1st party exclusive titles that were designed and animated around 30fps.. Like Astral Chain on the switch or Killzone 2 on PS3 though without a doubt both of those games would look and feel so much better too at 60fps. Just like every other game.
It sucks because right now you can't even choose. You have to take what you can get if you want a card in the near term. I was lucky enough to get a 3070 as part of a new egg combo, would've preferred a 3080, but a 3070 still way better than my 1080. Now after taking a second look at the performance comparisons between all the cards, I'm half tempted to not open the 3070 for a bit in the hopes of getting a 3080 6800xt or 6800 instead.
Get the 3080, DLSS and NVENC are game changers.