Dish soap and plasticizer are a very similar chemical makeup. You used a lot of soap in this video which really amounted to an ‘overdose’. That’s why it was still so loose. It works because the soap breaks down the surface tension of the water, causing it to coat the aggregate and fines more thoroughly.
@@psidvicious What would your thoughts be on adding day one bottle of dish soap to a full 10 cubic yard load? Lots of guys telling me they used to do this back in the day to bring the air content up. I’m curious as to if the dish soap, in relatively small quantities like that would have any negative long-term effects on the concrete?
Me neither. Concrete undergoes an exothermic reaction when it sets, so I can only assume this is what they mean by hot mud... and somehow that is... undesirable? Maybe it causes too much expansion, which then cools and cracks. Never assume your audience is on the same page as you.
@@choppergirl He means that it's going to set or cure quickly, thereby which for the purposes of this video, highlights the effect of the soap in neutralizing the reaction that would set the concrete. Earlier in the video, you can hear him mention sugar which also does work.
@@PoweredByRedstonecom Ah okay. Had that happen with PVC glue on me yesterday, which popped off my pipe coupler probably from expansion, and I had to jam it all back together and hold it for 30 seconds for it to set like the instructions said.
I ran a plant on and off. And drove a redi mix truck for a little over 7 years. Had my times with HOT mud. I had two, 2 liter bottles of mountain dew and two gallons of mid range in the box of the truck. I have never heard it said that soap kills the mud. That would have been something I would have liked to know. Broke down once, 9 yards cooked in the drum. PTO broke. Bad day.
What does it mean that "the dishsoap kills the hopper"? Does it mean that the dishsoap stops the chemical curing process of the concrete and "turns off" the heat?
He mentioned the concrete literally hot (high temperature) at the washout station. The chemical reaction was still happening, but it wasn't sticking to the hopper or solidifying (sticking to itself).
Cool channel! I have been running concrete pumps from hose only up to 36m (120-ish feet) long booms. That was ~30 years ago. I sprayed a fluid, we called "conservant", onto the pumps. Even dried concrete just popped off when hit with a pressure washer. It was water-based and left a kind of waxy surface behind. But the look was pristine, like from day 1. It did of course *not* work *in* the hopper.
I added on of those bottles to a load of concrete (i think it was a full 10 yards maybe 8) one time to bring up the air. It was standard dawn not platinum. It worked, brought the air up like 2.5% i think, don't remember. I have been back to that site a few times and the slab has gone through a few winters with no problem. I don't think it caused the finishers any problem or retarded it to a point that anyone noticed and it was poured in winter. The 28-day breaks were a little low? The weird thing is you could really smell it like doing dishes. I wouldn't have thought that the little bit of soap in that much concrete would have made a noticable smell.
And the compound that makes the smell in the soap is something like just a few drops in the whole bottle. Those chemicals they use to make stuff smell are kinda crazy how potent they are.
i will jam a wet sponge with a bunch of dawn on top halfway into the tip hose and suck a five gallon bucket of water through the sponge to froth everything up it helps let the sponge go back a little bit slower and washouts are super easy
🤔🤔 interesting.... So you can add polymer to concrete to slow it down. I never thought of that. Makes me want to test out some material that is basically a hi tech polymer used in the ag fields. Maybe it would make a good product for the mud biz. 👍🤠
Many years ago in Toronto the cement truck drivers always carried around a bag of sugar incase they got stuck in traffic and were going to be late at the site they were told to throw a bag in the mix to keep it from going hard don't know if they still do it now
@@ronparrish6666 I brownie. He they just carry Delvo or recover. That being said, I have definitely seen busted down ready mix trucks in the side of the highway with drivers climbing up the ladder carrying 2 litre bottles of Coca Cola.
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 As Jet Dry is a surface tension relaxer, it would have a concentrated effect. Also helps wash windows, just add a literal few drops to the bucket, and it helps powdery hydrophobic soils absorb water and nutrients.
I often think why aren’t we using Roman concrete that’s self repairs and uses quick lime. I mean that’s stuff is still doing its job 1500 to 2000 years + later and it’s better than using Portland cement. I doubt cement will last as long as Roman concrete.
People today don't think in 1500-2000 yr. terms for even Grand constructions, let alone commercially. I wonder about the cost difference. Are the Portland materials more availabe?
The size the agagate needs to be for roman it way large... They require that not all the lime is to be hydrated which makes me think it was under hydrated and super thick
@@brettscott7574 I don’t know to be honest. I know that the quick lime heals its self because there is still lumps of unused lime in the mixture which is how it self heals but the aggregate was volcanic stones. Still though an Amazing feat for ancient people. I’m sure its thickness varied depending on what they were doing.
@@ravenrock541 Then perhaps it’s time we switched to Roman concrete. As industry changes it will be more used. Portland cement is not as good as the Roman stuff. Why use an inferior product when a better version is now known.
I find that crazy I’ve used dish soap to add air to a hand made concrete. I poured a side walk with at my house and it got hard and there’s definitely no signs of it being crappy concrete !
Many many years ago (40+) in the UK, we used to add 'Marvin' wood glue (safe to eat, non toxic, used in schools for kids) to hand mixed cement - either hand/shovel mix, or mixer - and it made it much easier to work with. Slippery, one might say. Then I tried it about 12 years ago here in north america, using some other wood glue, and nope, it wouldn't blend! I guess it's more plastic now than it used to be.
I want to do a break test on this stuff, same as what we did when adding the Coca Cola to the hopper. My guess would be that similar to adding Coke/sugar, there is a certain threshold which once exceeded, the concrete becomes junk.
Killing the concrete by stopping the chemical reaction that leads to excess heat surely will reduce the strength of the concrete. This is all fine and good when you are pouring walkways and decks, but as soon as your pour concrete to form structural elements such as beams and walls you are creating structural integrity issues later on.
As someone who made and did QA for add mix......that is responsible and detrimental for the integrity of the concrete. Use proper air entrainment, retardant or excelerators.
@@rocketfamilykml2528 it’s on its way to the washout facility. The goal here was to destroy the concrete and keep that bay during travel to said facility.
Calcium to heat it up, Dawn to cool it down, mix it with water if you let it get hard, if you are fine tuning consistency you add just squirt it straight in, just hit it with the hose, quick blast .
@@mostlikelywedoitservices6926 We washout back at the ready mix plant where they put it through their reclaimer and separate it back into sand, aggregate, and slurry.
@canadianconcretepumper1979 We used to use sodium silicate and sodium chloride 50/50 half a pound of each to a cube, dump it straight in, no extra water.
@@freedumbofspeech1977 I’m not certain it would have much/any more of a degreasing effect than concrete itself already does. Interesting discussion point for sure though.
Grandfather said do to it even with a home mixer, cup of water and a squirt of liquid and give it a shake and then throw it in the mixer and spray out... basically spotless. Been doing it ever since.
The concrete is not dead! You just surpressed the surface of the water! The concrete now will not dry so fast and is creamy in constitution.. In Germany old Concrete builders sometimes use dish soap to minder early dry or surface water on concrete surfaces!
Now if its running really hot doesnt that give more time to reach the clean out location too? As I know to make Hoover Dam set in a reasonable time frame they had to run a massive chiller plant to cool the concrete pour by having cold water run through the structure in pipes.
Hey Scott did the Dawn dish soap make any difference after you mix it in with the concrete did it make any difference as far as helping keeping the hopper clean or would that be another total different situation like spraying the canola oil on there
@@robertaustin-y7j I’m not so certain it would be of much benefit in terms of acting as a non-stick/protective coating on the inside of the hopper, but I did have a good chat with a 50 year pump operator (that’s right 50 years!!!) at last years World of Concrete convention in Las Vegas and he was mentioning a special mixture of Dawn dish soap and concrete dissolver which he applies to the exterior of the hopper before each pour. Apparently everything just pressure washes away at days end. I have yet to try it myself, but it is most certainly on my “list” 😁😁😁
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 did you see the results of what he was talking about at the world of concrete to have it be on your list of something to try and no skeptics behind it
@@robertaustin-y7j I couldn’t really say until I give it a go myself. I do feel there is at least some merit to it, especially considering the source (industry legend pump operator).
Never did this myself but i was told not to use this in a ready mix truck unless you are going to loses the load anyways as u might have resdew left that might make week spots in your next load.
Dish soap is a surfactant with a large molecular size. It encapsulates particulates, preventing interaction on a molecular level. This is temporary since surfactant can be washed away. Polyvinylpyrrolidone dissolved into water, mixed into concrete and heated to 80 degrees Celsius for an hour before being drained and dried should net the same effect only more permanently. It will never show any sign of being tampered with so could be utilised to prank an unsuspecting workman.
@@littlehuey5679My guess is that in large enough quantities, it would permanently compromise strength. Hoping to follow up with a video in which we can test samples at the lab.
Hi, my name is Aurelio from panama, 1 question... the coca cola can make the same thing? The soap kill the concrete but here in Panamá we use the coca cola for the same thing
Enough Coca Cola most definitely works. Interestingly enough, in moderation, Coca Cola can actually increase the 28 day compressive strength of the concrete. Checkout this test we recently did: th-cam.com/video/swhGmf_3jAo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=JOEhP1rQF1wUxbLM
@@eddroberts1681 Absolutely!!! I really do like how the dish soap keeps the mud from segregating in the hopper dirty travel. Makes for an easy-breezy washout.
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My uneducated good guess is probably, the cheap dish soap as you may know does not sud/cut grease nearly half as good as Dawn/other well branded dish soaps. I imagine its those same properties/level of chemicals that is preventing the bonding of the concrete.
@@harryheinrichs8206 I say the sugar definitely kills it more so than the dish soap, but the dish soap doesn't segregate the concrete in the hopper during travel like sugar and retarder can. Seeing as we most often travel back to the ready mix plant for washout, not having to deal with a segregated hopper makes the washout process a little quicker/easier. Sugar will remain my go-to for when the concrete is nuclear hot, but for most instances moving forward, it's dish soap for this guy!
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 When we have left overs go back to Plant and make Blocks ,Sugar just delays set if not over treated and doest effect strength if not over treated.
@@toddb8479 so with boom pumps, yes we are allowed, but line-pumps are forbidden to pump back onto the mixer. Story goes that years ago someone did something really stupid and as such ruined it for the rest of us (not at all uncommon in our industry).
The surfactant will not care whether you premix or just squirt the stuff in . If you are going to use it , just dump it in. Sugar will slow the set time , and if you get the ideal % of sugar, it can actually make the concrete harder, stronger. The reason sugar is not normally used is too much? It will not set, you have a mess. If the concrete arrives too hot, open a can of coke or mountain dew, sugar not diet,, and pour it into the mix and spin it up a few rotations. Slows the set time. I could be wrong,, without running a calculation I am just remembering A 5 pound bag of sugar in the 10 yard truck and a squirt of water from the hose to wash it into the mix. Turns a hot load that had a 45 minute ride from the plant, 390 revolutions, into something you can get down and floated before you have problems
@@Sailor376also So awhile back I mixed a can of Coke into the hopper and had my buddy on QC take a 28 days break test on it. The results were precisely online with what you say here. th-cam.com/video/swhGmf_3jAo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=dADBX1-xtVSAGc6w
Concrete mixers have a water storage to add in the mix to cool it down and dilute the mixture a little extending the work time. Plasticizers similar to soap also make it fluid, lowering the viscosity without adding extra water. But its like 2-3 table spoons to the amount he have. And it will give you 20-30 min of work time. If you add too much the concrete will have microcracks and lower the strength significantly. We was adding that to prevent settling and have easier clean up as the mix is already ruined by the added water alone.
@@Proud2bmodest so adding the dish soap causes a chemical reaction causing it to cool without watering it down as much? Also would it affect the structural properties of the concrete?
As a concrete pump operator. don't ever do that. I have never done that. I'm not going to take the chance as long as it took for this video. Hoses would have been clean by a Sponge ball. off to the clean out.
@@erichiller4144 Respectfully disagree. I’ll gladly take 5 minutes to thoroughly cycle retarder through the hopper, material cylinders, and S-tube prior to travelling for a washout. Cheap insurance should there be any delays in travel, and also makes for a quicker/easier washout.
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 And I 1000% agree. But what got me? You didn't use a ball to suck through. to the Hopper. Add a little bit of water while everything's in the Hopper. to keep it nice and juicy. not too juicy. That way you can do the wash out of the hoses. That will give you time for. the hopper. to get to where you need to go to wash out. I've just never used dish Soap. And remember you. get paid by the hour. not by the minute. And I know it makes a long day. I've tried to rush and have made mistakes. And you might have just taught me something new. Just never did it. I will try it. Keep pumping on.
@@erichiller4144 I sucked bag the paper bag into the hopper at around the 2 minute mark. I always prefer to cycle the mud around as well whenever possible as it mixes the retarder in more thoroughly with the concrete which is in the pump. I’m a big fun of sucking back a bag or ball into the hopper as well. As you mention, it saves a ton of time (and labour). 👍👍👍
"Hot Concrete": when concrete reaches a certain temperature (typically 25-ish degrees) it will begin to set in the lines within a very short time frame. The dish soap helps to counteract this and retards the set time. Normally concrete is at 15-17 degrees when "fresh".
@@buildingandfixing4397 guess you missed the part about the remaining concrete in the pump being taken to a washout/disposal facility…. Please watch at least 7% of the video prior to commenting. 👍👍👍
@ it slows the the concrete from setting in the pump while we travel to clean out (typically 30-45 minutes drive). I wouldn’t ever dare pump this stuff into finished work. The back-charges would have me working the next 6 months for free, just to get back to scratch.
@@davidreynolds-g5b Based on what it do to the mud in my hopper, I’d be hard pressed to believe that it does not have permanent adverse affects to the strength of the concrete… or at least in high concentrations like what I used here in the video.
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Dish soap and plasticizer are a very similar chemical makeup. You used a lot of soap in this video which really amounted to an ‘overdose’. That’s why it was still so loose. It works because the soap breaks down the surface tension of the water, causing it to coat the aggregate and fines more thoroughly.
@@psidvicious What would your thoughts be on adding day one bottle of dish soap to a full 10 cubic yard load? Lots of guys telling me they used to do this back in the day to bring the air content up. I’m curious as to if the dish soap, in relatively small quantities like that would have any negative long-term effects on the concrete?
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 with shrinkflation you will have to play very close attention to the actual product weight instead of the bottle.
What about jetdry?
I just stumbled on this video. I'm not a concrete guy and I have no clue what the hell he's talking about.
Me neither. Concrete undergoes an exothermic reaction when it sets, so I can only assume this is what they mean by hot mud... and somehow that is... undesirable? Maybe it causes too much expansion, which then cools and cracks. Never assume your audience is on the same page as you.
@@choppergirl He means that it's going to set or cure quickly, thereby which for the purposes of this video, highlights the effect of the soap in neutralizing the reaction that would set the concrete. Earlier in the video, you can hear him mention sugar which also does work.
@@PoweredByRedstonecom Ah okay. Had that happen with PVC glue on me yesterday, which popped off my pipe coupler probably from expansion, and I had to jam it all back together and hold it for 30 seconds for it to set like the instructions said.
Learn something new everyday
You want to add a healthy serving of sugar and dish soap to your concrete every time- it helps keep it sweet and clean
I ran a plant on and off. And drove a redi mix truck for a little over 7 years. Had my times with HOT mud. I had two, 2 liter bottles of mountain dew and two gallons of mid range in the box of the truck. I have never heard it said that soap kills the mud. That would have been something I would have liked to know. Broke down once, 9 yards cooked in the drum. PTO broke. Bad day.
@@curtisdterhunejr7037 You may find this follow up test to be of some interest:
th-cam.com/video/ZQQXUqRlRz0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=D3evIkBcr41kkY7D
Ah but how would you have mixed in the soap if the PTO broke
I have seen plain white sugar used to kill mud. A hummingbird feeder that hangs over concrete and drips will create a divot.
@ Yup! We’ve had guys spill a double-double coffee onto the slab and it just kills the surface.
You got soft hands ol son 😂😂😂
What does it mean that "the dishsoap kills the hopper"? Does it mean that the dishsoap stops the chemical curing process of the concrete and "turns off" the heat?
He mentioned the concrete literally hot (high temperature) at the washout station. The chemical reaction was still happening, but it wasn't sticking to the hopper or solidifying (sticking to itself).
and it makes your concrete clean lol
Cool channel! I have been running concrete pumps from hose only up to 36m (120-ish feet) long booms. That was ~30 years ago.
I sprayed a fluid, we called "conservant", onto the pumps. Even dried concrete just popped off when hit with a pressure washer.
It was water-based and left a kind of waxy surface behind. But the look was pristine, like from day 1.
It did of course *not* work *in* the hopper.
I added on of those bottles to a load of concrete (i think it was a full 10 yards maybe 8) one time to bring up the air. It was standard dawn not platinum. It worked, brought the air up like 2.5% i think, don't remember. I have been back to that site a few times and the slab has gone through a few winters with no problem. I don't think it caused the finishers any problem or retarded it to a point that anyone noticed and it was poured in winter. The 28-day breaks were a little low? The weird thing is you could really smell it like doing dishes. I wouldn't have thought that the little bit of soap in that much concrete would have made a noticable smell.
That actually sounds kinda nice, don't gotta smell lye anymore when strippin
And the compound that makes the smell in the soap is something like just a few drops in the whole bottle. Those chemicals they use to make stuff smell are kinda crazy how potent they are.
i will jam a wet sponge with a bunch of dawn on top halfway into the tip hose and suck a five gallon bucket of water through the sponge to froth everything up it helps let the sponge go back a little bit slower and washouts are super easy
@@clebzey5435 I’m going to give that one a try. So many legit uses for this dish soap.
🤔🤔 interesting.... So you can add polymer to concrete to slow it down. I never thought of that. Makes me want to test out some material that is basically a hi tech polymer used in the ag fields. Maybe it would make a good product for the mud biz. 👍🤠
Soap isn't a polymer, it's a surfactant
Was hoping for a full wash out vid, but i guess this is close enough. Keep up the great content :)
@@Sensei_Fly have I got just the video for you!!!
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This concrete is dead it just doesn't know it yet. 🎅
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you beat me to the punch
So many videos with that title. It's so stupid.
Many years ago in Toronto the cement truck drivers always carried around a bag of sugar incase they got stuck in traffic and were going to be late at the site they were told to throw a bag in the mix to keep it from going hard don't know if they still do it now
@@ronparrish6666 I brownie. He they just carry Delvo or recover. That being said, I have definitely seen busted down ready mix trucks in the side of the highway with drivers climbing up the ladder carrying 2 litre bottles of Coca Cola.
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 As Jet Dry is a surface tension relaxer, it would have a concentrated effect. Also helps wash windows, just add a literal few drops to the bucket, and it helps powdery hydrophobic soils absorb water and nutrients.
I often think why aren’t we using Roman concrete that’s self repairs and uses quick lime. I mean that’s stuff is still doing its job 1500 to 2000 years + later and it’s better than using Portland cement. I doubt cement will last as long as Roman concrete.
People today don't think in 1500-2000 yr. terms for even Grand constructions, let alone commercially. I wonder about the cost difference. Are the Portland materials more availabe?
The size the agagate needs to be for roman it way large... They require that not all the lime is to be hydrated which makes me think it was under hydrated and super thick
@@brettscott7574 I don’t know to be honest. I know that the quick lime heals its self because there is still lumps of unused lime in the mixture which is how it self heals but the aggregate was volcanic stones. Still though an Amazing feat for ancient people. I’m sure its thickness varied depending on what they were doing.
Because, until recently we didn't know how to make Roman concrete. It requires a very specific sized, and the right proportion, of lime granules
@@ravenrock541 Then perhaps it’s time we switched to Roman concrete. As industry changes it will be more used. Portland cement is not as good as the Roman stuff. Why use an inferior product when a better version is now known.
Nice bit of advice there, thanx🙂
Cleanest Hopper on you tube. Lol.
Glad it worked.
And smells great too!!!! 😂
They also use soap in air crete for building domes.
I find that crazy I’ve used dish soap to add air to a hand made concrete. I poured a side walk with at my house and it got hard and there’s definitely no signs of it being crappy concrete !
I’ll concur to adding air because that’s what Ready Mix plans technically “ use “
Many many years ago (40+) in the UK, we used to add 'Marvin' wood glue (safe to eat, non toxic, used in schools for kids) to hand mixed cement - either hand/shovel mix, or mixer - and it made it much easier to work with. Slippery, one might say. Then I tried it about 12 years ago here in north america, using some other wood glue, and nope, it wouldn't blend! I guess it's more plastic now than it used to be.
I want to do a break test on this stuff, same as what we did when adding the Coca Cola to the hopper. My guess would be that similar to adding Coke/sugar, there is a certain threshold which once exceeded, the concrete becomes junk.
The Harder. of the concrete. The better the Crete will be. Yes. Having it more water is. easier. 5 slope. to 4 slope. Is the best?
Killing the concrete by stopping the chemical reaction that leads to excess heat surely will reduce the strength of the concrete. This is all fine and good when you are pouring walkways and decks, but as soon as your pour concrete to form structural elements such as beams and walls you are creating structural integrity issues later on.
I think he wanted to avoid it solidifying in the trip to the washout station.
As someone who made and did QA for add mix......that is responsible and detrimental for the integrity of the concrete. Use proper air entrainment, retardant or excelerators.
@@rocketfamilykml2528 it’s on its way to the washout facility. The goal here was to destroy the concrete and keep that bay during travel to said facility.
Calcium to heat it up, Dawn to cool it down, mix it with water if you let it get hard, if you are fine tuning consistency you add just squirt it straight in, just hit it with the hose, quick blast .
Sugar is reay good at
preventing concrete crom setting up.
So question what do you do with that slop now it is out of your hopper. Does it harden? Then what do you do with it?
@@mostlikelywedoitservices6926 We washout back at the ready mix plant where they put it through their reclaimer and separate it back into sand, aggregate, and slurry.
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 Wow. Thank you. You taught me something I had no idea about. Thanks.
@canadianconcretepumper1979 We used to use sodium silicate and sodium chloride 50/50 half a pound of each to a cube, dump it straight in, no extra water.
How do the moving parts react to the degreasing from the soap?.... only time will tell but id like updates
@@freedumbofspeech1977 I’m not certain it would have much/any more of a degreasing effect than concrete itself already does. Interesting discussion point for sure though.
Surely the lye in there would already turn any grease it comes into contact with into soap?
Rock poopy makes a hella nice driveway. And porches, garage floors.. all kinds of stuff is made nice with rock poopy
Grandfather said do to it even with a home mixer, cup of water and a squirt of liquid and give it a shake and then throw it in the mixer and spray out... basically spotless. Been doing it ever since.
3:10 if you ain't havin a good laugh on the job then the job isn't for you but seriously that was kinda funny 😂
Perfect vid after my morning coffee
The concrete is not dead! You just surpressed the surface of the water! The concrete now will not dry so fast and is creamy in constitution.. In Germany old Concrete builders sometimes use dish soap to minder early dry or surface water on concrete surfaces!
@@davidreinl7965 watch the follow up video and see the durability test results. We got from a week later.
it does segragate the soap forms around the partricles and you lose strenght
Now if its running really hot doesnt that give more time to reach the clean out location too? As I know to make Hoover Dam set in a reasonable time frame they had to run a massive chiller plant to cool the concrete pour by having cold water run through the structure in pipes.
Learn something new everyday 💯
Hey Scott did the Dawn dish soap make any difference after you mix it in with the concrete did it make any difference as far as helping keeping the hopper clean or would that be another total different situation like spraying the canola oil on there
@@robertaustin-y7j I’m not so certain it would be of much benefit in terms of acting as a non-stick/protective coating on the inside of the hopper, but I did have a good chat with a 50 year pump operator (that’s right 50 years!!!) at last years World of Concrete convention in Las Vegas and he was mentioning a special mixture of Dawn dish soap and concrete dissolver which he applies to the exterior of the hopper before each pour. Apparently everything just pressure washes away at days end. I have yet to try it myself, but it is most certainly on my “list” 😁😁😁
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 did you see the results of what he was talking about at the world of concrete to have it be on your list of something to try and no skeptics behind it
@@robertaustin-y7j I couldn’t really say until I give it a go myself. I do feel there is at least some merit to it, especially considering the source (industry legend pump operator).
Never did this myself but i was told not to use this in a ready mix truck unless you are going to loses the load anyways as u might have resdew left that might make week spots in your next load.
@@wallyw3409 agreed. If you watch my follow up video to this one, you’ll see why.
I've gotta give that a try now, I'd be curious if I could use about 1/4 of a bottle or so.
@@fronabargerconveyingpumping You’ll love it Darin. Washout is so easy.
I’m assuming the dish soap acts as a lubricant?
Dish soap is a surfactant with a large molecular size. It encapsulates particulates, preventing interaction on a molecular level. This is temporary since surfactant can be washed away. Polyvinylpyrrolidone dissolved into water, mixed into concrete and heated to 80 degrees Celsius for an hour before being drained and dried should net the same effect only more permanently. It will never show any sign of being tampered with so could be utilised to prank an unsuspecting workman.
Apparently surface tension is important for concrete to harden
Vinegar is what you really want, you can get gallons of 45% acidity, will make multiple gallons you can have on truck.
The fact you don't know this questions your level....
Most pesticides are soap based. Soap makes water, wetter
Do pump truck use acid ? Cold you use acid to the mix. The was there. So adding acid clean. When get to dump point ? Mick Australia 🇦🇺
What does it do to the strength of the concrete ?
@@littlehuey5679My guess is that in large enough quantities, it would permanently compromise strength. Hoping to follow up with a video in which we can test samples at the lab.
stuff used to make steps looks fine. u didn’t mix soap in with that concrete now did ya?
@@pyoodiepie No sir. Recirculated into the hopper once everything had already been pumped in.
Hi, my name is Aurelio from panama, 1 question... the coca cola can make the same thing? The soap kill the concrete but here in Panamá we use the coca cola for the same thing
Enough Coca Cola most definitely works. Interestingly enough, in moderation, Coca Cola can actually increase the 28 day compressive strength of the concrete. Checkout this test we recently did:
th-cam.com/video/swhGmf_3jAo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=JOEhP1rQF1wUxbLM
They use Coca-Cola when they want aggregate top concrete look then rinse it away looks nice
Dont they use sugar for the same use?
I don't work in construction. What is HOT concrete
Man, i hear that sunlight soap workes gread fer cement around salt water
A couple 2 litre cokes will work also..
@@eddroberts1681 Absolutely!!! I really do like how the dish soap keeps the mud from segregating in the hopper dirty travel. Makes for an easy-breezy washout.
🦬 certain stores are selling bison meat. Every pan I cook it in leaves residue of bison that’s very hard to clean. If you’re going to eat bison burgers pressed hard down on the pan to speed up cooking then be prepared .
wow that was hot concrete
Day 13 waiting on Ian’s first boom video
@@bowenike Hoping to get out with him on our little 24Z very soon here. He’s been using it a bunch for plugging into the high-rise/placing-boom jobs.
The killer of rock poopies !!!!
What happens when you let foamy concrete dry?
I'm not a concrete guy and I have no clue what the hell he's talking about. but it looks like before the weld pool hardens.
@@Shane_O.5158 sounds like your about as well versed in concrete, as I am in welding 😂😂😂
You must have had a lot of confidence in the soap to stick around the job site so long after it started to set.
You got money to burn and next day job. Good on ya testing. Mick Australia 🇦🇺. 4.58 min in God bless
2L bottle of cola works a treat...
I'm thinking you'll like this one: th-cam.com/video/swhGmf_3jAo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1VCDOfKm2DucfriX
Secret Air entrainment trick
@@Randy-v9x need to get a sample of his heavily air entrained concrete put on the testing bench after 28 days.
My English isn’t perfect. ☺️
Why did he put the dish soap into the concrete?
What is (the problem with) _hot concrete_ ?
Yeah it works as everybody knows, but the cured concrete will now be much weeker due to the admixture, so yeah, "you just killed the concrete".
So brown sugar or soap I’ll try it does it have to be dawn
My uneducated good guess is probably, the cheap dish soap as you may know does not sud/cut grease nearly half as good as Dawn/other well branded dish soaps. I imagine its those same properties/level of chemicals that is preventing the bonding of the concrete.
@@jamessomero3617 I don’t think so. Dawn just gallons to be what they had front row center at the dollar store.
We use Sugar for delay but looks like the soap definitely kills it.
@@harryheinrichs8206 I say the sugar definitely kills it more so than the dish soap, but the dish soap doesn't segregate the concrete in the hopper during travel like sugar and retarder can. Seeing as we most often travel back to the ready mix plant for washout, not having to deal with a segregated hopper makes the washout process a little quicker/easier. Sugar will remain my go-to for when the concrete is nuclear hot, but for most instances moving forward, it's dish soap for this guy!
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 When we have left overs go back to Plant and make Blocks ,Sugar just delays set if not over treated and doest effect strength if not over treated.
what does "kill the hopper "mean
Can you pump your clean out back into the Transit truck?
A lot of companies won't allow it these days unless its been pre organised with the plant and paid a disposal fee.
@@Brainrottkiller is that a Canadian thing? My area the batch plants make blocks with it and sell them.
@@toddb8479 nah I'm in Australia
@@toddb8479 so with boom pumps, yes we are allowed, but line-pumps are forbidden to pump back onto the mixer. Story goes that years ago someone did something really stupid and as such ruined it for the rest of us (not at all uncommon in our industry).
Do you mean regular building blocks or those giant lego blocks ?@@toddb8479
The surfactant will not care whether you premix or just squirt the stuff in . If you are going to use it , just dump it in.
Sugar will slow the set time , and if you get the ideal % of sugar, it can actually make the concrete harder, stronger. The reason sugar is not normally used is too much? It will not set, you have a mess. If the concrete arrives too hot, open a can of coke or mountain dew, sugar not diet,, and pour it into the mix and spin it up a few rotations. Slows the set time. I could be wrong,, without running a calculation I am just remembering A 5 pound bag of sugar in the 10 yard truck and a squirt of water from the hose to wash it into the mix. Turns a hot load that had a 45 minute ride from the plant, 390 revolutions, into something you can get down and floated before you have problems
@@Sailor376also So awhile back I mixed a can of Coke into the hopper and had my buddy on QC take a 28 days break test on it. The results were precisely online with what you say here.
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What does hot mean?
Hot. Like heat from the curing process.
@@Joseph-Colin-EXP Means it’s begging to cure/setup/will go hard in the lines within a few short minutes if not dealt with accordingly.
If dish soap gets into plaster, it will take forever to set, and it will be weak.
The only thing soap does is add air to it I have added soap to flowable fill 150 psi. before to make it pumpable
@@tomtammybates1512 my assumption is that it adds so much air is the reason why the concrete doesn’t set… or at least not anytime soon.
Either that, or it adds so much air it negatively effects strength if it does set
@@JeffLMisc I’m hoping to get a sample of this heavily air entrained stuff on the test-bench sometime in the not so distant future.
Pumping foam-crete.
How do you know you are not degrading the quality of the concrete by adding soap to it? Maybe it's weaker now.
Concrete mixers have a water storage to add in the mix to cool it down and dilute the mixture a little extending the work time. Plasticizers similar to soap also make it fluid, lowering the viscosity without adding extra water. But its like 2-3 table spoons to the amount he have. And it will give you 20-30 min of work time. If you add too much the concrete will have microcracks and lower the strength significantly. We was adding that to prevent settling and have easier clean up as the mix is already ruined by the added water alone.
Couple bottles of cheap lemonade
That how to made the Aircrete
Sitting here wondering why I'm watching this? 1 year from now.. Why do i know that this works??
Just use water and sugar.
Soap literally degrades cement. 50+ years the next customer will have bigger bill to pay.
@@gteaz That’s why we did not pump it into the pour area…..
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 👍We call you a pro!
@ Lol!!! In all fairness, the standard has been set pretty low these days 😂
I just don’t understand at all. Killing the concrete? What does that mean? Concrete is alive? Like a yeast culture?
They mean killing (or at least slowing) the chemical reactions between the "ingredients"
Can someone explain what hot concrete is?
Concrete gets hot when it cures. Hot concrete is setting faster than expected.
@@Proud2bmodest so adding the dish soap causes a chemical reaction causing it to cool without watering it down as much? Also would it affect the structural properties of the concrete?
As a concrete pump operator. don't ever do that. I have never done that. I'm not going to take the chance as long as it took for this video. Hoses would have been clean by a Sponge ball. off to the clean out.
@@erichiller4144 Respectfully disagree. I’ll gladly take 5 minutes to thoroughly cycle retarder through the hopper, material cylinders, and S-tube prior to travelling for a washout. Cheap insurance should there be any delays in travel, and also makes for a quicker/easier washout.
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 And I 1000% agree. But what got me? You didn't use a ball to suck through. to the Hopper. Add a little bit of water while everything's in the Hopper. to keep it nice and juicy. not too juicy. That way you can do the wash out of the hoses. That will give you time for. the hopper. to get to where you need to go to wash out. I've just never used dish Soap. And remember you. get paid by the hour. not by the minute. And I know it makes a long day. I've tried to rush and have made mistakes. And you might have just taught me something new. Just never did it. I will try it. Keep pumping on.
@@erichiller4144 I sucked bag the paper bag into the hopper at around the 2 minute mark. I always prefer to cycle the mud around as well whenever possible as it mixes the retarder in more thoroughly with the concrete which is in the pump. I’m a big fun of sucking back a bag or ball into the hopper as well. As you mention, it saves a ton of time (and labour). 👍👍👍
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 😁I'm glad to see we're both Learning We're never too old to learn and try new things
I wonder what a gallon of bleach would do?😮
I know dishsoap is used in aircrete, so i thought for sure it was going to set on you...guess not XD
Please define "hot concrete",no idea what your trying to do
"Hot Concrete": when concrete reaches a certain temperature (typically 25-ish degrees) it will begin to set in the lines within a very short time frame. The dish soap helps to counteract this and retards the set time. Normally concrete is at 15-17 degrees when "fresh".
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 What was the time from batch to adding the dawn? Over 90 minutes?....any retatders added from the batch plant?
@@giz771 Concrete was
batched at 8:00AM, Dawn dish soap was added to the concrete at 11:00AM. No retarders in the mix. 32 mpa concrete.
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 for sure concrete was hot & going off, good time to try the soap.....& good that it worked.
I makes the cement flow better....now if u poured a can of coke in that's a different story
Frothy!
@@Dex01-Z_WingZero should have seen all the suds piling up in the reclaimer back at the ready mix plant 😂😂😂
Isnt soap the same as Plasticize really dont kill but loosens. over 30 year vet in a Redi mix truck.
I stop doing concerts. Skin issues. Hospital. Do spear on the soap. It's cheap. God bless 🇦🇺
Most plastisers are soap based.
i would jam the ham between two slices of bread and call it a sandwich but its not...
@@notyetdeadyet Sounds absolutely delicious!!!!
Adding sugar to concrete sounds like a joke you play on the new guy. Concrete chemistry is weird. Well all chemistry is weird to be honest.
Not bright enough to remove the nozzle huh ? Each to their own, guess that makes the rest of us above average. 😂
@@cobrasvt347 Now don’t go getting too excited here, it’s all very relative….
Pretty sure your hopper was already a non-living thing before the dish soap!
I see what you did there.... 👉👉👉
Soap does nothing why do people put dish soap in everything
So next iI come across a truck toss a bottle in
this dude uses soap to sabotage a sidewalk under construction and is so happy about it i don't get it
@@buildingandfixing4397 guess you missed the part about the remaining concrete in the pump being taken to a washout/disposal facility…. Please watch at least 7% of the video prior to commenting. 👍👍👍
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 lololo i was just joking and i wanted some1 to explain it to me ty
@ it slows the the concrete from setting in the pump while we travel to clean out (typically 30-45 minutes drive). I wouldn’t ever dare pump this stuff into finished work. The back-charges would have me working the next 6 months for free, just to get back to scratch.
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 god bless im a tradesman myself
Hot concrete doesn’t pump or mix like that. This is a scam.
Ah, yes… an elaborate conspiracy theory put together by cooperate big-wigs only to pedal $3 bottles of Dawn dish soap to unsuspecting pump operators…
@@Maple.Syrup.King.007 😁 good one!
You murderer
So how weak does it make the concrete
@@davidreynolds-g5b Based on what it do to the mud in my hopper, I’d be hard pressed to believe that it does not have permanent adverse affects to the strength of the concrete… or at least in high concentrations like what I used here in the video.
It will prevent the air into mud on a very hot day.
Yeah we heard you the first 100 times you said it kills it
@@Max-xe4qn DAWN DISH SOAP KILLS CONCRETE.
One hundred and one. You’re welcome 👌👌👌
lol this is nothing