Tejas delivery delayed, IAF Vice Chief says Atmanirbharta should not be at cost of nation
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- In his show #DefenceScope, Deputy Editor Snehesh Alex Philip looks at why the Tejas delivery is delayed and what the IAF is doing.
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AtmaNirbharta cannot be dependent only on ToT !!! Investment in R&D is never a Waste !!! And getting the Private Sector onboard in R&D efforts followed with Concrete Orders is a no Brainer !!!
Battery, Engine and Chip technology no one will share
GE won't deliver a single engine. The idea is to delay so much that IAF would be forced to go for an emergency purchase preferably F-16/18
Yes , get back to Kaveri Eng..
Then India will go for Russian or French planes.
Absolutely. No matter how hard the situation is currently, stick on to atmanirbarta.....
@@KishoreKumar-cs6dd no we can’t
The Rafale deal for 144 planes was stalled by the Defence Ministry since around 2010; the ordering of 36 Rafales is not really an alternative. This delay is what is really responsible for the crisis that IAF faces today, so the Air Marshal is justified in flagging the issue. As far as GE is concerned m the supply chain world wide is certainly disrupted and is adding to the discomfort created by past procrastination.
But who is to blamed for Rafael fiasco, government, IAF or HAL. I guess HAL had little to no role in that decision.
@@AnilYadav-nt9mfgoverment. Their commission could not be fixed in the last 10 years.
@@asbmbs5530 2010 is 14 yrs ago
@@AnilYadav-nt9mf Dasault and HAL is to be blamed. They refused to provide warranty on jets manufactured by HAL. HAL quoted double the price to manufacture a jet compared to what Dasault will take.
@@vaimurthy as if HAL has never made an aircraft with other OEMs and IAF has never taken the delivery. There was clear cut solution at hand. As far as cost is concerned, HAL is a government company under MoD itself so the quoting double the cost is bizarre argument to believe. Yes the cost would have been high due to creation of new assembly lines, training, learning new tools etc. but double price is hard to believe. To me it's more like propaganda.
The Vice Chief’s comments have been taken completely out of context. If you listen to the next 30 seconds, he clearly states further that he intends to make working between the Air Force & Industry better. Also, mentions that we need to let go of ego & work together as the nation comes first.
@ThePrint I would request that this clarification is also mentioned in your future articles/Videos
After decades in existence, thousands of employees, many of whom are now collecting pensions, its still struggling to manufacture fiighter jets that looks like fighter jets that were manufactured 50 years ago in the west. Have they managed to make a helicopter yet?
They are West 😂😂.
We are Indians😅
Yes, helicopters are there and in service. Dhruv , Rudra and LCH.. And Naval versions of Dhruv and Rudra. ( LUH)
Its a disgrace to HAL that they cannot manufacture a single engine after decades of gulping up tax payers money and still dependent on others. And here we have people comparing HAL with Dassult Aviation. What a Joke.
engine technology is not easy peasy handful countries like usa, france , russia have capability to build engines
Relying on Defence PSUs is Atmahatya not Atmanirbharta
Maybe it’s Atmanirbhar Atmahatya (self sufficient suicide)
well said !!
Ask yourself why no private industry commits on research funds in India. Public sector at least tried.
Defence PSU are vacation places for 3rd class engineers who give bribes to get there and relax.
@@IslamIsDevilsthey just do fake research.
Then importing engines from USA, Is it working? USA not supplying engines on time for Tejas aircraft so what will you tell on this import?
No one will keep engine supply when there is no business.
When HAL gave 2025 as delivery date, I laughed. When thay revised it to 2029, I laughed harder. I think it's going to take 25-30 years, just like Tejas itself and rest is fake news. When will Indians learn not to trust government babus of HAL and privatize to have accountability of delivery.
What happened to Kaveri engine? Wait we couldn’t make one.
It's very tempting to believe what vice chief is saying but had IAF ordered the Tejas earlier in 2016-18 period, this issue may not have been there. The supply chain would have been sorted long ago. so the blame is shared.
I'm not a defence expert, but it's absolutely clear and I'm sorry to say that the #Tejas is a failed project especially in front of it's other competitors such as Griphen and F16 etc.
IAF should only focus on the #AMCA. If our Air Force desperately wants a single engine fighter jet then we should definitely go for the #F16 Block 70/72 variants. I know it will not be ideal and beneficial for us. But we all know and even our Air Force knows it very well that the #F16 is by far the best single engine multi role fighter in the world.
Atmanirbharta is showing all over INDIA .VIKAS IN EVERY FIELD from Manipur to Kanya Kumari.
IAF said: Atmanirbharta is must, that's the lesson. Also security aspect is the first. BUT IAF, govt and HAL lag on long term requirement/preparation and contingency plan for imported parts/engines. Imported aircraft and parts will always give trouble in war times and global supply chain disruptions.
The hand of US gov can not be ruled out..
Chandigarh lobby is working in full swing.....
Indigenous is the only way forward, but we need to look for alternative also
During our time, we use to call LCA, as "Late coming aircraft". HAL, DRDO AND ADA, have taken IAF for ride. Now TEJAS MK1A, time line is changing, because of promised engine supplies by GE. We did a blunder by depending on USA, instead of our trusted friend Russia. We must learn from our Northern neighbour China.
Agree we must stop using youtube. Only USA, France and UK can make good Jet Engine. There is no friendship between nations, just like Brahmavadis and non-Brahmavadi.
Arms lobby dollars at work😂
Well said Air Marshal, China will have the 6th generation fighter before India's PSU's will even get out the first prototype and then when actual production commences, China will launch the 7th generation fighter. Then by the time IAF gets full order of the 5th generation AMCA's, China will have the 8th generation fighter. Aatmaribharta will make IAF get three generations behind in technology but who cares as long as India does not have to depend on foreigners even if it loses the air war
What an idiotic take. Let IAF co-opt development efforts and back indigenous efforts to develop products before actually saying what industry needs to be done. Chinese air force actively participated in their development efforts to be where they are now and we have IAF on the other hand making imbecile statements like "three legged cheetah" and actively sabotaging our own efforts. The results speak for themselves. IAF is nothing but an organization that produces glorified bus drivers provided the bus itself is foreign made.
Some Dalal are seemed pro active for supporting foreign companies.
@@user-gg3tv2nx7r Dalai cares about nation and does not want to lose war unlike Bania who wants dhandha at the price of freedom
I think the fact behind all this mess that IAF is in right now is that IAF never fought an aerial war after 1971 with Pakistan. PAF on the other hand was at a disadvantage with US embargo it imposed on military hardware to PAF. Then their was 11 years long Russian invasion on Afghanistan. PAF immediately went on to self reliance during that time and we saw the emergence of Kamra Aeronautical Complex which paid its dividends in the coming years.
JF17 was inducted 10 years ago and with time became operational with F6/A5 were all phased out long time back. Now with with J-10C along with F16s and Mirages, its a formidable force. When defense analyst comments that PAF is years ahead of IAF....they are definitely not wrong.
IAF and HAL messed up by going with one vendor for an engine
They should have gone for an engine that can be replaced by another vendor
Tejas has limited fuel capacity and limited range but is an important first step in aircraft manufacturing by India
With limited budget, we cannot afford multiple engines
To design something would have taken another 20-30 yrs. I am never heard more stupid things in my entire life. Why do you think India should develop a aircraft for 100 yrs for each avalilable engine in the world?
Don't use edited clip show what he sad after that😂😂😂 misinformtion
Modi will target this air marshal. Atma Nrbhar is a marketing gimmick by modi to promote himself, and enrich his friends who are associated with the defence deals - Adani and co
They are any day better than useless HAL which eats tax payers money
It is not Athmanirbhatrata that is costing is dear, but not having done Athmanirbhatrata earlier. The 10 month delay is caused by late supply of US engines by the US manufacturer. Earlier delays of the LCA programme were caused by the US and Western sanctions due to the Pokran nuclear tests, and the lack of artillery ranging radars in the Kargil war which Pakistan had was caused by the same US Western sanctions, and no, India could not import aircraft from the west then either because ghost were sanctioned at multiple layers.
So the lesson to be learned is that Athmanirbhatrata is essential but it should be funded adequately and funds should be released early enough - that is the failing here.
Unless our own engine us developed,depleted quadran srength cant be made up.Foreign countries behaves in way which add advantage to them.
the problem is you do not like truth, always delete things you do not like, whether they are true or not
@@redfiretreesviewonindia8684 🤣🤣🤣
SELF RELIANCE needs efforts, money ...which INDIAN didn't invested in MARUT....the 1st fighter jet ...MADE IN INDIA....but killed by short sighted INDIANs. Now same is repeating, why GOI, INDIANs put in their best to design a JET ENGINE?? Where has its ENGINEERING poweress gone....INDIA the IT SUPERPOWER, simply cannot design and make a JET ENGINE. JAI HIND, MERA BHARAT MAHAAN.
Your reporting credentials are flawed as you are not sharing the entire interview and the context with the IAF air marshal. Perhaps it is your left leaning background. Please fix this going forward
Big lobbying in defence contracts are always prominent in india. Defence minister is not fit for the job .
Your video is normally good. Cannot be said for other videos from Print.
USA has deliberately delayed the supply of engines.Is the Vice Marshal not aware? Is he ignorant of the 5 year delay in signing the Rafale contract by UPA due to haggling over brokerage? Maybe the squadron strength was not a worry then. Or is the import lobby tarnishing Aatmanirbharta?
Your video is normally good. Cannot be said for other videos from Print.
USA has deliberately delayed the supply of engines.Is the Vice Marshal not aware? Is he ignorant of the 5 year delay in signing the Rafale contract by UPA due to haggling over brokerage? Maybe the squadron strength was not a worry then. Or is the import lobby tarnishing Aatmanirbharta? When has the IAF ever been confident about HAL? The enormous delay in Tejas was due also to IAF changing specifications often and their well known preferences for imports, reasons for which can well be guessed.
Is there no penal clause?
True. Whatever he said.there is too much delay in acquiring 42 squadron.. We should buy figher aircraft's from multiple countries like Rafale, Grippen, F35,F 15Ex so that gap can be filled early
Why are people surprised by yet another siflgnificant delay? GE is but just another excuse. If the engines come on schedule, they would have found other excuses for the delay. Such is the sad state of Indian aeronautics industry.
National security is important. But security cannot be dependent on foreign weapons platform or technology. We will be at the mercy of the weapons supplier. For short term we should buy weapons from foreign supplier, preferably with ToT. Long term we should develop and manufacture our own weapon systems. It is were important we allocate sufficient funds for R&D, both for public and private defence manufacturers.
The problem is that IAF has no other option but rely on HAL to deliver Tejas MK1, MK2, and even AMCA. If the private companies were involved in the building then the dependency on HAL would be reduced and those guys in HAL would not be lazy.
HAL should have bought more engines as they had plenty of time to stock up on the engines in case of emergency.
Plane without engine with Advice from US.
For a long time we have been comfortable in our own narrative which is : "we will be a superpower" we are more concerned about tags like this, rather than objectively and critically analysing things, we talk too much instead of action, deng xioping's motto was " Hide your stregths and bide your time" look what China is doing now, ibstead we boast all the time, I dont know what the future will be. I am concerned about the Indian armed forces, there have been improvements sure, but the fact that we are not able to send soldiers in armoured vehicles for patrols and instead rely on gypsys and stallion trucks, and we should be surprised we lost soldiers in ambush?
Due to its unfavourable topography, India will never be a superpower; at most, we might rise to the status of regional power should we ever regain complete control over J&K.
It’s incorrect reporting….. you are incorrectly cutting his long speech and not giving the full context of this statement…. Highly inappropriate and unprofessional
Kaveri engine ko hi use Karo. Bhale hi uski capacity 70-75 kn ho
And you want to have a plane which cannot fly - you want to create dump plane costing $400 million each. Dude you have gobar inside your head? Please explain how that is even useful. How rich are you to pay for it? How much tax do you pay?
Who made him Dy. Air Chief. He is ignorant and irresponsible.
Is he supporting Congress? Lobbies. Needs to be investigated.
And Pakistan is cranking out JF17 block 3s now for a long time and gaining experience everyday on optimising their operation and war plans
It is sad what Modi has reduced indians psyche to. There was a time farmers, army, navy and air force used to be respected. Now they are trolled for speaking out.
He has changed the country to Brahmavadi and a food terrorist country. Hope we get a better PM next time. From a Society and defence perspective, he is bad. After pathankot, he forced Airforce to lie about drowning of F-16 place. He killed some Pakistani fisherman and forced navy to say that those were terrorists.
You have to blame Godi media for that they are fooling the public.
No problem. China & Pak will wait until our HAL manufactures it's engine and fit it in Tejas Mark-1A. They waited decades of time and they will wait another decade until we get our jets ready. They are good neighbors and they'll understand our technical delays. Don't worry HAL, take your own time. There is no hurry, take few more decades.
You guys took a 5 second extract from an hour long speech to peddle your narrative? Print is def not about hyphenated journalism for sure
US does not use GE 404 engines. It exports. So the production is limited.
And yet they didn't allow local manufacturing in India. USA is not trustworthy.
@@arindambanerjee6417Nobody would share their technology for free.
@@arindambanerjee6417 Did Russia allowed local manufacturing of russian engines even after we bought more than 1000 engines
Not factual true. Their T7 RedHawk trainers use F404s. Not in huge numbers but still used in the US.
Right said sir
Keep on doing Haramipana, Bharat hum sharminda hain tum jaise yellow media jinda hain
India is down to 32..but its not "mere"....in any way...India is on the right path to develop its own defence equipments and vessels...and should continue to do so..
Not sure why good sense did not prevail to purchase 72 Rafael for IAF and 36 for Navy.
Not sure how much of dependence on the US for defence components is dependable.
The idea of atamnirbharta is good but india lack funds and patience and great engineer and scientists to be atamnirbhar.
AT LAST, TRUTH IS COMING OUT.
ATMANIRBHAR AIN'T AS SUCCESSFUL AS ADVERTISED.
PRIVATE SECTOR AIN'T PICKING ANYTIME SOON.
INDIA STILL AT THE MERCI.OF FOREIGN LOBBY😢😢😢.
TRUST RUSSIA, NOT WEST
As usual Print taking a small clip and making silly narrative. Vice Air Chief has stated multiple time for atmanirbhar but Print picked up 20 second. Cherry picking
Change in Defence R&D Ecosystem is the need of the hour
Before judging him or anything else just watch the entire interview video of Air force Vice chief......He explained very well about condition of Air force qnd also importance of Aatmanirbharta.
Can't he learn from navy . They are doing the work of the next 10-12 years right now and they are planning future projects as we speak . They are inducating the majority of their projects on time .
But sir we will give reservation sir🤡🤡
Excellent explanation!!!!
@ 8 TEJAS per annum, it will take decades for us to get IAF something worthwhile
Great coverage ! I wonder if there's malice involved on part of GE
How ironic…..that the atma nirbhar bharat campaign for fighter planes is not taking off because the foreign supplier has not supplied engines!
IAF suffering due to bhaduria who forced Tejas on to iaf. And got MP ticket. Brass has to show spine or Modi will screw them.
Without Engine TEJAS induction is a dream cm joke. IAF need is urgent, have to go back to France for RAFAEL ❤
Aren't there any engines that we could buy from Russia for Tejas
Anti national print so happy.😂
Why don’t India buy from China of the shelf aircrafts like other countries or Pakistani JF
17s since lot of countries are buying those.
By the time Tejas join the IAF, PAF will be welcoming chinese 5th Generation stealth fighter planes J-31.😊
Pakistan air force is responsible for this. 😂
Yes you are absolutely right ✅️, 1965,1971,1999😢
@@MP_mp20 leave them,. As IMF loan application rejected
@@MP_mp20😂😂😂😂😂 no ImF loan application rejected
Engine manufacturing in India
How many Tejas will be delivered in 2025?
DRDO such a waste and failure
Tejas should have m88 in rafale for Tejas, it doesn't seem to have big order book and Dassault could have built a plant here
Buying other countries scrap won’t help us
Transfer of Technology is the best way to slowdown the Indian industry. India was expecting to produce Rafale 100% made in India. Then, use that knowledge to build their own planes. It's not happening.
Lol. Thats not how it works. You can try to reverse engineer,steal like chinese do. It took them almost 30 years to copy and finally improve russian/soviet engines. And even today they are still junk , marginally better than soviet originals that are junk. Since India is non aligned, nobody in the West ,not even France or Japan trust us enough to tech transfer good stuff…
IAF 😂. What happened to mrfa?
Ask that question to the stupid defense committee filled with incompetent politicians. 3000Crores for stupid statues but no money for Fighter jets
@@NAYouTuCA dont show your ignorance. Government did not allocate any money for statues
Lol! We think we are superior than Pakistan and rival China. PAF has had indigenous fighter jets (whatever the quality and Chinese crap) since ages.
Tejas meanwhile is in-development when I wasn't even born. And I am a father now. Pathetic!!!
if tejas comes early then what about dasault deal..big shots get loss
Always learn from your mistakes but No we are Idiots
Marut fighter failed because of Engine and same story with Tejas.
We need to forget about Tejas and go back to the drawing board and design a 5th Generation fighter plane.
All the Vice Chief is saying is "Use Common Sense". Reading comments here somehow the government and its bhakts lack.
That mean HAL is only making the frames of the aircraft and waiting for GE for engine.
Cant L & T and Tata make jet turbines for HAL.
They can, but will take 15 - 20 yrs. Jet engines are almost 100 yrs old tech dude. People are moving to battery tech.
Voice clarity of the video is poor. Please improve
Like you "IA" have even gone through with MRFA!! The worst service in Indian armed forces.
Mera Bharath mahan.🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🙏🙏💐🙏💐🙏 B'lore Karnataka.
wating for Adani to enter engine and aircraft manufacturing
Nice childish videos and comments. All india is truly capable of doing is just talk.make reports like these ,few people comment on social media, no action, foget it and repeat. Excuses, finger-pointing,un reasonable expectations from other countries and within india, ego , protectionism, the list goes on.
This seems to be a conspiracy.
Even my opinion is also the same, not at the cost of our Nation, not at the cost of the security of our Nation.
If our Nation is there, we all could survive, otherwise no.
True, and survice for what - spreading Brahmavad, satvic, food terrorism, untouchability etc.
@@vinsin328 that is policy matters, but if Our Nation is not properly equipped with deterrence strength against our adverseries, all these brahmad etc etc shall not help the integration of our Nation.
That is why we need to throw away all public PSU they have become hub of mediocre employment generating schemes with no deliverables. But we have chutiya public/ voter who wants govt jobs and want govt to keep psu although they are non-performing
Okk but you cannot do anything because majority people want gov job and they are the largest vote bank
India should buy JF-17 thunder from Pakistan.. we will give you good price 😊
Since independence, we Haven't been able to build a single solid gas turbine engine either for commercial aircraft or military. That shows the level of our engineering colleges...even with our so called IITs.
IITs were developed by Foreign powers for their purpose not for India. Read some history. Rationality is not Indian culture, it is a highly foreign idea. China has forced rationality on her citizens. India issue is untouchability, cow, beef, sattvic, Brahmavad etc. Nehru has to ask Indian to have scietific outlook and had to be added.
@@vinsin328 nehru was a bloody asshole, no need to praise him and his stupid ideas and vision. China is way ahead of India in every realm.
We ned more R&D, self reliance means making by our own. Just think in times of emergency if they deny us their technology what happen then.
Sarkaar ko pole khol di
Print is excellent and everytime I think I should pay for a subscription, out comes an agenda piece like this, and the previous one on Stryker. Pro US, floating trial baloons on behalf of defence companies and a clear anti BJP bias is what stops me everytime.
2070 MRFA deal RFP issued 😂😂😂😂😂
Why don't they buy Russian engines instead ?
Internal Politics...Jeopardizing national security...
Tmkoc production team, Tmkoc social media admin, BJP IT Cell and related ➡️ najayaj
➡️ Modi Papa, Amit Papa 👏👏✈️
Deal with USA is risky.
HAL is a total disappointment