@@cmfrtbly_nmb it seems to rely heavily on drawing appraiser and it succesfully resolving with no interaction....doesnt seem that reliable at all once ppl learn the trick
We've also noticed, WOTC, that you're dumping the animations/sound effects on cards in your precious Arena. Either make the play-in more fun or drop the BS and give us MTGO 2.0!
This is what left from the WOTC as we knew it. A bunch of short sighted simple minded people who do band-aid "fix" on everything then scramble to do whack-a-mole on problems that come afterwards. American hiring process these days lead to this very outcome we experience. More and more people leave MTG and call it "dead game", even my friend who own a LGS sold his framed black lotus and put MTG events on hiatus at his store due to the decline. The game is on a very concerning situation in my country. I just hope things will get better, I can't afford losing too much value on my card collection yet.
I watched Adrew Cuneo play against this deck in the qualifier. He had never seen it before but he guessed that appraiser was the combo kill piece and countered it 3 times in a row. He won without ever realizing what the combo actually was.
I think if see a card that says "I play some other card for free" cast you just assume that the card will kill you. It's not like you need to know what Living End does to figure out opponent isn't trying to give +1/+0 to an empty board
I usually watch your episodes while doing my daily matches. Went up against this deck and my Ashiok Dream Render hard countered them. They conceded after they unsuccessfully attempted to use the combo on turn 3.
Yes but is it really that much different from Greasefang? Creasefang gets to actually play a functional deck without combo (Thoughtseize etc.) while still essentially killing on turn 3 without interaction with I would argue almost same consistency. I would actually argue this deck is worse once the meta adjusts.
@@WoRMaSTeR64difference between this and greasefang is that Greasefang needs set up, this one just goes off the second a discover card hits the board. You can have zero cards in hand, grave, and absolutely no lands as it resolves and you still win immediately 90% of the time (the other 10% being if your deck is a big silly willy and burns through the evolutions on the early carnos and just leaves you with like 1 or 2 carnos and the other 3/2s)
@@sirplayalot11x I agree this has an easier setup. The setup is quite easy on Greasefang as well of course and turn 3 kill from this deck requires setup (making the treasure). Greasefang is undoubtly winning more games where the A plan does not work and I think it is more resilient to getting Greasefang countered or removed. Overall I think it is actually the better deck once the meta adjust.
@@WoRMaSTeR64 but you don't NEED a treasure to pop off with this deck tho. It's not like the deck runs 0 removal or draw, so unless you can actually kill the opponent by turn 4 or perpetually hold up instat speed removal, you more often than not just lose. This is not a healthy combo for the format.
I was having fun with the Quintorius version, but this is just a full turn faster and requires 1 less colour, making it pretty close to strictly better. Only real advantage for Quintorius is that not all removal hits planeswalkers (Fatal Push, Go for the Throat, Abrade, etc).
While the combo is fast, it is admittedly quite fragile - It's weak to Thoughtseize, instant speed removal on the Appraiser, random hate pieces like Drannith Magistrate and Damping Sphere (the latter of which already sees Sideboard use in Pioneer), and of course counterspells. I think as people adjust to this new deck, the meta will settle down again and people will simply be forced to run slightly more interaction (which I think is good for the format)
Carnosaur can answer a lot of the cards like Drannith Magistrate and Archon of Emeria, and it's not that hard for the player to get to 6 and just try again.
Its more like. This deck forces the opponent to have it. They have to either mull for interaction in the opening hand over everything else in game 1. then not tap out after turn 2. Then in the second/third game. They have more options with hate pieces. While this deck can play so much instant speed interaction that it basically shuts off 1-2 of the opponent’s lands every turn for no cost.
Hosing an entire format to basically be "have interaction early or die" is the current situation modern is in right now, and the deck to beat is both the most interactive and most resilient in the game.
in the same logic, this deck is good against mono green, the big baddie of the format, but weak to spirits, humans (hello thalia) and burn (rolling vortex), so its gonna have its 5 minutes of fame and then will ve forgoten
yea saw this...its disgusting...you have to hold up removal on opponent turn 3 and if you're on the draw you pretty much are going to lose waiting on opponent because they'll keep waiting on you
This ain’t rocket science you gotta keep balanced hands to answer various treats. In a format that has mono red goblins or Rakdos sheoldred, this ain’t a new thing
This is killing the format and a ban will be needed since the win rate is over the threshold and other than counter spells there is not a lot to stop it
''What if cascade but better''. Everyone in that meeting was on drugs. Also I like bedecking the 1\2 in match 4. Some people greed pump the vamp there and then lose to the combo.
In fairness to WotC this is a totally understandable design mistake. Beseech the Mirror is explorer legal. This means that there is already a 4 mana spell that can cast a spell with mana value 4 or less for free from your deck, so they thought they were all clear printing a creature that casts mana value 3 or less for free. And frankly Eldritch Evolution is one of the most ridiculous cards ever printed.
@@julius333333Bloodbraid Elf does though The issue here is the fact that creatures who put spells on the stack on ETB are insane combo pieces. We’ve seen it on Naru Meha and Dualcaster Mage, but because they managed to stop Lutri from doing it they felt safe printing this card.
I watched this on Magic Aids and thought "I can make this on Historic" and I'm glad to see you playing it here (as a little less R rated dialog no less).
i don’t think this is format ending. prison or tax pieces like drannith magistrate, archon of emeria, and thalia guardian of thraben all work against this deck. roiling vortex also could work
The deck is still extremely consistent, there are counterplays but you either have them by turn 4 or you lose, and that just doesn't seem the type of game wotc wants magic to be. (Also, all of those cards can be dealt with by removal, the most effective way to stop the deck would be discard or killing appreaser with doscover on the stack)
Thanks for shaking up the format. Any of your creative combo decks are nice even if annoying to face. But you know what's more annoying? The same old meta decks. That's why I don't play explorer much. I'd rather get combod at least for now than face monogreen or wizards for the umpteenth time.
I wonder if it's worth including one copy of the new Ghalta in case you get any Doomscars stuck in your hand. it requires you to sac a carnosaur to the evolution in order to get it out, but it shouldn't break your combo if you have either another Carnosaur in hand which then gets played by the Ghalta, or have a mimic in hand with a carnosaur on the field still. You don't even have to go for the ghalta either, you can just have it as an added bit of security in your deck to be used only if needed.
Oh hey, so this is what my opponent was trying to do when I countered their finishing Eldritch Evolution and then I board wiped all their Trumpeting Carnosaurs. I was playing a janky Azorius control pile. Beating the turn 3 combo deck was immensely satisfying.
@@rdm5687 A pile of counterspells and removal that is too high costed to be efficient, with a wincon of milling the opponent out with a one-of Blue Sun's Zenith using mana from a bunch of Smothering Tithes.
Hm... I am wondering whether a turn three "Nine Lives" (if you go first) could save you from the onslaught on turn three from your opp. Of course this only works if you follow up on turn four with "Solemnity". Can you assemble (in this case) nine creatures with the combo on turn three?
love the Explorer content, this deck looks busted. Any idea what would be good against this? I was initially thinking Esper control (so you have access to hand disruption, creature removal, hard counters, and Settle the Wreckage) but that might be too slow
I don't think being slow matters that much, since this deck has no way of winning if you simply stop its key pieces. Notably, Cut Down is a 1-mana spell that kills the Appraiser at instant speed.
What is an explorer and can a new to mtga player have a chance there? In standard I am unfortunately destroyed by the last set(update? addition?) so I had quit for now :(
@@militarygradeducttape5072 Just as an update I am 52-1 in Explorer against this deck. I did lose one game because it was the first time I saw this combo (before video), would have won that as well. If there ever was a 100-0 matchup in Magic this is it. 🤣
@@LegenVD a little, but the upside of being able to get a more consistent combo (by getting more Dinos, appraisers or mimics that are stuck in your hand into play) is worth it I guess. I trust doomwake
So much cope in the comment section claiming this isn’t format warping, plenty of removal/counters to fizzle it etc. Oh, what’s that? WotC finally banned appraiser today? Anyone that legitimately thinks this is good magic is exactly why mtg is dying.
This deck is cool but can be so obnoxious to play against in bo1 unless your a control deck. Had to give my 5c humans deck instant removal for how much I saw this yesterday
It's a turn 3 kill assuming the opponent has no interaction. It's yet another Greasefang: another "remove me or lose" card. This one dies to more different sources of removal and requires slightly less setup.
Greasefang doesn't actually win the turn you attack with it though. So if you happen to not leave removal up and they do have it, you at least still have a chance to kill it on your turn and race the angels (or remove them). Not saying it's easy, but it is possible. With this, you're just 100% dead if you don't leave up removal, there's no coming back from it. I think the fact that it's a (basically) guaranteed win if the combo happens, and it's literally just a 1-card combo that costs 4 mana, means it's too strong. Yes there's a deckbuilding cost, it makes sideboarding more difficult, but I think clever people can figure that out too.
@@militarygradeducttape5072 Upside - Parhelion is already in the graveyard, _and_ it hits for lethal instead of 13. Downside - Your deck is made of _awful_ magic cards. Time will tell if this is a good trade off, or not.
@@modernminded5466 Exactly. This is the pure definition of a glass cannon. Unless you resolve and stick Appraiser this deck is dead. This video also did not show the games where you mulligan to 4 and still not have Appraiser. My money is on Greasefang being the better deck once meta adjusts.
I feel like this will not hold up in best of 3 tournaments as leyline binding is a thing, it looks fun though.. Until people remember, pioneer has great graveyard hate.
2:36 - If this was true, the combo wouldn't work to begin with. The who deck is "putting discover cards onto the battlefield" - Believe is no different. It combos just as well.
@@LegenVD Oh yeah, that's right Appraiser has a cast clause. Carnie doesn't. So it works just as well as Eldritch Evolution. But if you hit the smaller combo piece, you're correct.
this is only missing the full playset of Cavern of Souls so the combo becomes even harder to interact with. that being said, I think in the long run this deck is kind of a meme.... kinda like the old neoform deck, and neoform was actually harder to stop.... this is completely stuffed by any instant removal spell or counterspell....
Cavern seems pretty decent here, and might belongs in the 75, but it's also way less impactful than it looks at surface level. If they can't counter the initial link, they'll just counter the discovered card, thus ending the combo, but leaving you with a creature. And you have two different creature types you want to initiate your combo with, so even that is only half covered. It can sometimes cheese Change the Equation, though. As it can't counter Glasspool Mimic.
made it to mythic rank yesterday and didnt realize everyone else there just copies decks. (half of which are this one) how do i counter your deck please....
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Geological Appraiser got banned today!
This is fine 🔥
This Is disgusting!😂
the fact it can happen reliably on turn 3 means you cant even hold up Settle the Wreckage as a counter play.
@@cmfrtbly_nmb it seems to rely heavily on drawing appraiser and it succesfully resolving with no interaction....doesnt seem that reliable at all once ppl learn the trick
We've also noticed, WOTC, that you're dumping the animations/sound effects on cards in your precious Arena.
Either make the play-in more fun or drop the BS and give us MTGO 2.0!
They fixed cascade and it's still broken
I love how they "fixed" split cards to not help with cascade... so now they help with cascade
This is what left from the WOTC as we knew it. A bunch of short sighted simple minded people who do band-aid "fix" on everything then scramble to do whack-a-mole on problems that come afterwards.
American hiring process these days lead to this very outcome we experience.
More and more people leave MTG and call it "dead game", even my friend who own a LGS sold his framed black lotus and put MTG events on hiatus at his store due to the decline. The game is on a very concerning situation in my country. I just hope things will get better, I can't afford losing too much value on my card collection yet.
@@kueapel911 what's the "American hiring process" and what does it have to do with pioneer?
@@kareemjonson they hire people based on diversity quota, not merit. All to fulfill their ESG rating.
"We're making Greasefang look like a fair Magic card." LOL
😅 said nobody ever......until now.
Immensely satisfying to see a Greasefang player totally powerless against a similarly broken mechanic.
@@FanPhysThat Greasefang player will have switched deck by the end of the week
>geological appraiser walks into a bar
>open the door
>everyone walk the dinosaur
Get on the floor!
I watched Adrew Cuneo play against this deck in the qualifier. He had never seen it before but he guessed that appraiser was the combo kill piece and countered it 3 times in a row. He won without ever realizing what the combo actually was.
I think if see a card that says "I play some other card for free" cast you just assume that the card will kill you. It's not like you need to know what Living End does to figure out opponent isn't trying to give +1/+0 to an empty board
could you link to the vod (if it exists)?
You can tell this deck is going to be spicy just from the chapter breaks in the progress bar.
Facts
19:59 a joke even LVD can't hold himself back from
That "aren't we all having fun?" killed me
Timestamp?
I usually watch your episodes while doing my daily matches. Went up against this deck and my Ashiok Dream Render hard countered them. They conceded after they unsuccessfully attempted to use the combo on turn 3.
Reading the card explains the card 😅
I'm not surprised that Cascade 2: Electric Boogaloo broke Explorer/Pioneer. This just...isn't the way I thought it would.
I've stop playing ranked explorer because of this deck, thank you WOTC (I was mythic top 1000).
It's basically a super reliable Sliver one-turn-kill, seems very balanced.
It can really struggle in best of three but if the opposing deck isn’t prepared for it they might tap out even though they have answers
Yes but is it really that much different from Greasefang? Creasefang gets to actually play a functional deck without combo (Thoughtseize etc.) while still essentially killing on turn 3 without interaction with I would argue almost same consistency. I would actually argue this deck is worse once the meta adjusts.
@@WoRMaSTeR64difference between this and greasefang is that Greasefang needs set up, this one just goes off the second a discover card hits the board. You can have zero cards in hand, grave, and absolutely no lands as it resolves and you still win immediately 90% of the time (the other 10% being if your deck is a big silly willy and burns through the evolutions on the early carnos and just leaves you with like 1 or 2 carnos and the other 3/2s)
@@sirplayalot11x I agree this has an easier setup. The setup is quite easy on Greasefang as well of course and turn 3 kill from this deck requires setup (making the treasure). Greasefang is undoubtly winning more games where the A plan does not work and I think it is more resilient to getting Greasefang countered or removed. Overall I think it is actually the better deck once the meta adjust.
@@WoRMaSTeR64 but you don't NEED a treasure to pop off with this deck tho. It's not like the deck runs 0 removal or draw, so unless you can actually kill the opponent by turn 4 or perpetually hold up instat speed removal, you more often than not just lose. This is not a healthy combo for the format.
Who could have guessed that a bloodbraid elf would be broken in an eternal format
Oh! I JUST ran into this deck in ranked explorer 20 min ago before even seeing this video, thank you Legend I despised playing against this!
I love playing against it. So much free rank. Depends on what you play. :D
Not even an annoying combo to click through… yeah this will be everywhere
Now THIS is Dino stomping!
(I want to build this without any question)
Case study for why thoughtsieze is a healthy card for magic.
You were sassy in this one LVD and I loved it. You’re the best!
Oh yeah, a very reasonable one-card-combo that OTKs 😂
I was trying a Channel/Domain built, but this is so vastly better xD
I was having fun with the Quintorius version, but this is just a full turn faster and requires 1 less colour, making it pretty close to strictly better. Only real advantage for Quintorius is that not all removal hits planeswalkers (Fatal Push, Go for the Throat, Abrade, etc).
Finally a good ol fashion yu gi oh deck in standard
This is amazing! Love the deck!
While the combo is fast, it is admittedly quite fragile - It's weak to Thoughtseize, instant speed removal on the Appraiser, random hate pieces like Drannith Magistrate and Damping Sphere (the latter of which already sees Sideboard use in Pioneer), and of course counterspells. I think as people adjust to this new deck, the meta will settle down again and people will simply be forced to run slightly more interaction (which I think is good for the format)
People just don’t run removal and like to complain it is busted
Carnosaur can answer a lot of the cards like Drannith Magistrate and Archon of Emeria, and it's not that hard for the player to get to 6 and just try again.
Its more like. This deck forces the opponent to have it. They have to either mull for interaction in the opening hand over everything else in game 1. then not tap out after turn 2. Then in the second/third game. They have more options with hate pieces. While this deck can play so much instant speed interaction that it basically shuts off 1-2 of the opponent’s lands every turn for no cost.
Hosing an entire format to basically be "have interaction early or die" is the current situation modern is in right now, and the deck to beat is both the most interactive and most resilient in the game.
in the same logic, this deck is good against mono green, the big baddie of the format, but weak to spirits, humans (hello thalia) and burn (rolling vortex), so its gonna have its 5 minutes of fame and then will ve forgoten
had my first draft in this set yesterday and i felt that discover was kinda a gamechanger. im happy to see it "abused"
yea saw this...its disgusting...you have to hold up removal on opponent turn 3 and if you're on the draw you pretty much are going to lose waiting on opponent because they'll keep waiting on you
How do you lose if they just wait? Deploy your threats while holding up your removal and you'll be fine
This ain’t rocket science you gotta keep balanced hands to answer various treats. In a format that has mono red goblins or Rakdos sheoldred, this ain’t a new thing
@@Michael.032good old "dies to doomblade", a classic
@@Michael.032yes, let me deploy my threats AND hold up removal with the vast amount of mana I have! On turn 3! Yes....
@@sirplayalot11xyou wait with the removal/counter open until you can deploy both...
I’m all for explorer content, but this seems really good. I hope it doesn’t kill the format
You have no idea how many people are playing this deck
This is killing the format and a ban will be needed since the win rate is over the threshold and other than counter spells there is not a lot to stop it
I'm playing it to hopefully get it banned
It’s just a 3/2, so pretty easy to kill. The format just has to adept and target this deck the coming weeks.
@@9thebigcoolcan't you just like shock the first appraiser while discover trigger is on the stack to fizzle glasspool mimic and eldritch evolution
''What if cascade but better''. Everyone in that meeting was on drugs. Also I like bedecking the 1\2 in match 4. Some people greed pump the vamp there and then lose to the combo.
"It's not like Bloodbraid Elf! It doesn't even have Haste! What could it do?"
In fairness to WotC this is a totally understandable design mistake.
Beseech the Mirror is explorer legal. This means that there is already a 4 mana spell that can cast a spell with mana value 4 or less for free from your deck, so they thought they were all clear printing a creature that casts mana value 3 or less for free.
And frankly Eldritch Evolution is one of the most ridiculous cards ever printed.
beseech doesn't leave around a 3/2 body
@@julius333333Bloodbraid Elf does though
The issue here is the fact that creatures who put spells on the stack on ETB are insane combo pieces. We’ve seen it on Naru Meha and Dualcaster Mage, but because they managed to stop Lutri from doing it they felt safe printing this card.
Who could have predicted Cascade Part Duex being as broken as Cascade Classic
Now THIS is pod racing!!!! Lmao this is an awesome deck, Luca! Amazing job as always!!!
Amazing how consistent this ran
Yeah, I would wager that we will see some kind of change.
This deck will be optimized even more. Will be banned for the same reason Winota was. Removal check too early in the format.
I watched this on Magic Aids and thought "I can make this on Historic" and I'm glad to see you playing it here (as a little less R rated dialog no less).
Hahaha 13 matches in 40 minutes, so good
I like the Standard version that Malone made. Having a blast with it. Well, when it works that is.
Honestly if i wheere to fix this "problem" i would just make it so that appraiser only discovers when cast from hand
I ran into this once after coming back from a break and had zero idea what just happened.
Nice one ! This deck makes me wonder if it is still reasonable to keep Thibalt's Trickery banned in Explorer...
wizards are going into yu-ih-oh territory if they are not already there.
As a mono green player, I've basically given up playing magic.
i don’t think this is format ending. prison or tax pieces like drannith magistrate, archon of emeria, and thalia guardian of thraben all work against this deck. roiling vortex also could work
The deck is still extremely consistent, there are counterplays but you either have them by turn 4 or you lose, and that just doesn't seem the type of game wotc wants magic to be.
(Also, all of those cards can be dealt with by removal, the most effective way to stop the deck would be discard or killing appreaser with doscover on the stack)
@@altromonte15 or turn 2 if you are on the draw and the combo player has ramp lol which is not a rare occurrence
i definitely hearing "epic sax guy" music starting when the discover 3 start.
Fun games, thanks!
"Surely this time printing a set mechanic that allows you to ignore mana costs won't be format breaking" - WOTC
Cascade was just a mistake, I don't know why they had to rub it in. Probably the mechanic I like the least together with infect and toxic
Ah shit, here we go again
Thanks for shaking up the format. Any of your creative combo decks are nice even if annoying to face. But you know what's more annoying? The same old meta decks. That's why I don't play explorer much. I'd rather get combod at least for now than face monogreen or wizards for the umpteenth time.
The MVC joke at the end had me audibly giggle. 😂
Free spells seems good and easy to balance.
I wonder if it's worth including one copy of the new Ghalta in case you get any Doomscars stuck in your hand. it requires you to sac a carnosaur to the evolution in order to get it out, but it shouldn't break your combo if you have either another Carnosaur in hand which then gets played by the Ghalta, or have a mimic in hand with a carnosaur on the field still. You don't even have to go for the ghalta either, you can just have it as an added bit of security in your deck to be used only if needed.
Wizards: "It's not a bloodbraid elf, no need to worry"
LVD:
Man does this look fun, wish I had the wildcards to build this deck, guess thats what i get for enjoying HB so much lol
Oh hey, so this is what my opponent was trying to do when I countered their finishing Eldritch Evolution and then I board wiped all their Trumpeting Carnosaurs.
I was playing a janky Azorius control pile. Beating the turn 3 combo deck was immensely satisfying.
This is a _very_ good match-up for draw-go control decks.
What is a Janky Azorious Control?
@@rdm5687 Non-Optimal Azorious Control, I assume
@@modernminded5466 Yeah sure, but I wonder what the spicy inclusions are! :D
@@rdm5687 A pile of counterspells and removal that is too high costed to be efficient, with a wincon of milling the opponent out with a one-of Blue Sun's Zenith using mana from a bunch of Smothering Tithes.
God the end card cracked me up so bad
Hm... I am wondering whether a turn three "Nine Lives" (if you go first) could save you from the onslaught on turn three from your opp. Of course this only works if you follow up on turn four with "Solemnity". Can you assemble (in this case) nine creatures with the combo on turn three?
9 creatures is very unlikely unless you add Repudiate / Replicate as another clone effect.
Omg this video is terrifying 😱
love the Explorer content, this deck looks busted. Any idea what would be good against this? I was initially thinking Esper control (so you have access to hand disruption, creature removal, hard counters, and Settle the Wreckage) but that might be too slow
I play Azorius Control, this deck cannot pass their combo
I don't think being slow matters that much, since this deck has no way of winning if you simply stop its key pieces.
Notably, Cut Down is a 1-mana spell that kills the Appraiser at instant speed.
Any control deck utterly annihilates this. In historic you can even play Stern Scolding to counter the appraiser for 1 mana.
Literally anything that can cast a turn 2 counter or removal spell and a turn 3 counter or romval spell, the deck cant win against lol
this is absurd. I love it
🤮
What is an explorer and can a new to mtga player have a chance there? In standard I am unfortunately destroyed by the last set(update? addition?) so I had quit for now :(
If you want to farm up some free wins on the explorer ladder play mono blue spirits. This deck is all over and I am about 20-1 against it.
Was actually thinking about running azorius/blue spirits, seemed well positioned it current meta, thanks for the tip!
@@militarygradeducttape5072 Just as an update I am 52-1 in Explorer against this deck. I did lose one game because it was the first time I saw this combo (before video), would have won that as well. If there ever was a 100-0 matchup in Magic this is it. 🤣
You should have new ghalta in stead of the second doomskar titan, doomwake was running that
Seems a little sketchy if the other Doomskar Titan is discarded or milled.
@@LegenVD a little, but the upside of being able to get a more consistent combo (by getting more Dinos, appraisers or mimics that are stuck in your hand into play) is worth it I guess. I trust doomwake
Absolutely disgusting! I love it! But I will never play this. Thanks for being the guinea pig legend!
Dude geological appraiser is TOO busted! Like The discovery mechanic is stupid!
We need you in R&D to help them plan the bans ahead or stop them from printing some cards altogether.
actually no because lot of people are going to buy boosters or craft the deck. Plenty of spent ressources THEN ban it.
@legenvd can you make a standard version of this deck?
Heck yea, explorer, the best format on Arena!
not with this deck
must feel amazing to be the first on the ladder with a turn 3 kill combo !
totally fine
Guess damping sphere is making a comeback
This deck looks like a power house. Thanks for sharing!
Jesus Christ….. that’s impressive.
So much cope in the comment section claiming this isn’t format warping, plenty of removal/counters to fizzle it etc.
Oh, what’s that? WotC finally banned appraiser today?
Anyone that legitimately thinks this is good magic is exactly why mtg is dying.
Does this combo works even if you replaced Geological Appraiser with bloodbraid elf? (I know he is not legal in explorer, but thinking about modern)
time for the drannith magistrate hatebear meta i guess
do you plan on making a gishath brawl deck now that hes in arena ? i want to see what u build him with
This is busted in Standard.
This deck makes leyline combo look balanced
Just watched Jim Davis play a similar deck. Seems … very scary. Kind of analogous to that old Neoform deck.
This deck is cool but can be so obnoxious to play against in bo1 unless your a control deck. Had to give my 5c humans deck instant removal for how much I saw this yesterday
Let's reprint cascade, they said....
Excellent. I hope this drives more control in the meta. Too much midrange shenanigans have dominated for a while now.
Is is almost like Discover (cascade) was already proven to be a broken mechanic.
WotC: why don't more people play Explorer?!
Me: uh... this.
It's a turn 3 kill assuming the opponent has no interaction.
It's yet another Greasefang: another "remove me or lose" card.
This one dies to more different sources of removal and requires slightly less setup.
Idk, "slightly less" seems like an underestimation to me, it's basically Greasefang with Parhelion already in graveyard.
Greasefang doesn't actually win the turn you attack with it though. So if you happen to not leave removal up and they do have it, you at least still have a chance to kill it on your turn and race the angels (or remove them). Not saying it's easy, but it is possible. With this, you're just 100% dead if you don't leave up removal, there's no coming back from it. I think the fact that it's a (basically) guaranteed win if the combo happens, and it's literally just a 1-card combo that costs 4 mana, means it's too strong. Yes there's a deckbuilding cost, it makes sideboarding more difficult, but I think clever people can figure that out too.
@@militarygradeducttape5072 Upside - Parhelion is already in the graveyard, _and_ it hits for lethal instead of 13.
Downside - Your deck is made of _awful_ magic cards.
Time will tell if this is a good trade off, or not.
@@modernminded5466 Exactly. This is the pure definition of a glass cannon. Unless you resolve and stick Appraiser this deck is dead. This video also did not show the games where you mulligan to 4 and still not have Appraiser. My money is on Greasefang being the better deck once meta adjusts.
Another excellent video, sadly I loathe these types of decks 🤣
Non-standard MTG really is turning into Yugioh
Has there ever been a 4 drop that can cascade like this??
Bloodbraid Elf and Khatari Remnant are 4-drops with cascade but they wouldnt work with the clones
Bloodbraid Elf
Seems balanced
Next expansion they'll also fix dredge and storm like they did with new cascade lol
I feel like this will not hold up in best of 3 tournaments as leyline binding is a thing, it looks fun though.. Until people remember, pioneer has great graveyard hate.
This deck kills everything t hat doesn't kill on turn 3 or isn't dimir in identidy.
Thank god this is an etb and not a cascade cast trigger haha
its a good day to have roiling vortex in the main
2:36 - If this was true, the combo wouldn't work to begin with. The who deck is "putting discover cards onto the battlefield" - Believe is no different. It combos just as well.
16:01 says otherwise
@@LegenVD Oh yeah, that's right Appraiser has a cast clause. Carnie doesn't.
So it works just as well as Eldritch Evolution. But if you hit the smaller combo piece, you're correct.
this is only missing the full playset of Cavern of Souls so the combo becomes even harder to interact with.
that being said, I think in the long run this deck is kind of a meme....
kinda like the old neoform deck, and neoform was actually harder to stop....
this is completely stuffed by any instant removal spell or counterspell....
Cavern could be a solid addition, at the very least as a sideboard card !
Cavern seems pretty decent here, and might belongs in the 75, but it's also way less impactful than it looks at surface level.
If they can't counter the initial link, they'll just counter the discovered card, thus ending the combo, but leaving you with a creature. And you have two different creature types you want to initiate your combo with, so even that is only half covered.
It can sometimes cheese Change the Equation, though. As it can't counter Glasspool Mimic.
made it to mythic rank yesterday and didnt realize everyone else there just copies decks. (half of which are this one) how do i counter your deck please....
It's banned now.
crap sorry came off as salty, but it is cool seeing it work, sorry its banned@@LegenVD
it sure did :)
Looks like Wizard do not test cards very well. Now after you recorded this wideo explorer will be unplayeble for some time.
I’ve seen quite a few people playing this yesterday so I wouldn’t say it’s lvds fault