I read Mormon's Codex cover to cover. It is absolutely epic! Dr. Sorenson makes a solid, an incredibly compelling case for finding the Book of Mormon in Mesoamerica.
you can't throw the baby out with the bath water... meaning u cant accept the BoM as revelation from God and then throw out everything else JSjr said on the topic... REMEMBER the events of 3rd Nephi before the coming of Christ, the entire landscape was changed during the calamity that followed the crucifiction and many of the "descriptions" he references were from BEFORE these changes occurred (pre - 3rd Nephi). in short the preponderance of evidence and REVELATION simply doesnt support the mesoamerican theory. look at the Adena/hopewell indian theory, now it fits both the physical evidence AND revelation and addresses the hill Cumorah problem.
The heartland model is not a mere theory or opinion, it is the specific place where Joseph Smith identified the events of the Book of Mormon. Either you believe the prophet, or you mess around and dabble with archeology and your own surmising, and that’s what I’m finding here. The bottom line is that Joseph Smith didn’t wonder, he knew, and he identified it. So case closed for me. It is important to know exactly where the location is for a prophetic reason: we won’t know what land we are called to defend the freedom of if we don’t even know where it is. FREEDOM IS PREREQUISITE TO THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST. We are called to defend with blood even, an actual land, not just the theory of a land. This meso “theory”, and it is merely that, has caused the harm that the prophet said it would. Joseph wouldn’t contradict himself, therefore, that Times And Seasons article was planted via identity theft (WHILE he sat in Liberty Jail!) and WITHOUT the prophets permission. How convenient for the determined that the editorial page was unsigned! Yes! How convenient, as THEN the members would assume that the prophet wrote it. But he did not because he already had made an adamant decision against meso America. His fellow server in the Church, however, was peer-needy, searching for some evidence to satisfy the mobs. Ever notice that meso never did not satisfy those mobs? It is sad to see people spend years of their lives looking in the wrong place (wrong according to The prophet Joseph Smith, and he was adamant about the subject), when they know he pointed to exactly where it was. Those ruins struck the real writer of that deceitful article like cocaine-he just couldn’t accept the prophets directive concerning those ruins not being the correct place, because he was thirsty to make anything into to evidence. Well Meso still does not make for evidence. I am seeing some seriously prideful, shut-down minds when it comes to meso America and no one can call me shut down when my reasons for where I’m following are not based anything but trusting the prophet. Read the scriptures in Nephi and Isaiah. Meso does not match the “free land of promise, a land above all other lands” picture, because we know that freedom is intended to stay in place until Christ comes again. Many prophets have verified this land as that promised land. You meso archeologists-are you archeologists first, and followers of the prophet second, or what?? They are archeologists first, and do not have faith in the words of the prophets. That’s the way I see it. This “only place” thing said here by Sorenson is literally untrue-that’s negating Joseph Smith. It makes me sad that one bears witness of the Book of Mormon, and yet sets aside the prophet’s words who brought it forth. It is an inconsistency that indeed HAS and still does do the Church much harm and causes confusion for the sincerely searching. Either you believe in a prophet’s purpose and calling or not. The ruins in meso America are not so “all that” that they should come ahead of the prophet’s words. I believe that the strong pull of false tradition (yes, it’s just that) concerning that meso location is like a drug- they just can’t let go of it, can they. Every person lead in that direction, their spiritual condition of loss is also found on deviators’ hands.
@@kevinharper9190 changes nothing... one must either accept revelation or not. just another nail in the coffin; the architecture of the structures in meso-america DO NOT conform to the Law of Moses (yes there are building rules too, read ur bible), which the Nephites in the BoM strictly adhered to, for the most part, and the Lamanites were not noted as being builders of anything.
Meso-American or Hopewell? Interesting arguments. If America used to be the promised land (that ended Jan 20, 2021) then wouldn’t the BoM have taken place in the USA? Either way, this will be an argument that lasts until Jesus’ second coming I bet. Edit: I’ve come to understand that Central and North America could both be areas where some peoples of the BOM lived. The majority being in Central America in my opinion, with maybe break off groups heading to the hopewell areas. Regardless, either/or would not weaken or strengthen my faith of the veracity of the BOM or the church the translator of it, Joseph Smith, helped restore. Knowing Jesus Christ is my redeemer, as witnessed and testified of by prophets and peoples in the Eastern (Bible) and Western Hemisphere (BOM) is what truly helps me.
hello I'm a fellow LDS and native of that great city with many lakes that now is host to over 20+ million peoples called Mexico City. I've been reading up on Fernando de Alva Cortés Ixtlilxóchitl and it does not take a genius to put the dots together (time-wise) to see that either Joseph Smith had a time machine of some sort or that what he was given Spiritual powers to be able to translate the Golden plates (which in my humble opinion is unknown ""Technology"" that we do not understand currently) . Again I'm a strong believer in the spiritual aspect of things, but also believe that science/technology is knowledge we can not understand YET and ones we progress unto the next realm the vail will allow us to understand all these things. Sorenson is right on target, maybe a few lines "inches" off but aren't we all scholars on that same boat. gracias hermanos.
Hello - I would love to get in touch with John L. Sorenson. I wrote a book in 2008 called The Lost Redemption of the Lost Tribes. Although it's fiction, it is based on facts. My family on my father's side is mormon and goes back to the Wilcox brothers of Navaroo. I do believe Joseph Smith found tablets (although incomplete) but he got the YEAR translation wrong. Instead of reading it as YEARS he should have read it as KIN. 2300 KIN ago would place Moroni in 378 A.D. During this tie the first "foreign war gods" hit the shores of Cozumel. If anybody has a way to get in touch with John L. Sorenson, please let me know. Thanks.
He wasn’t translating of his own directive. It was by the power and direction of the Holy Ghost. Actually, the city’s name is not Navaroo, but “Nauvoo”.
I read Mormon's Codex cover to cover. It is absolutely epic! Dr. Sorenson makes a solid, an incredibly compelling case for finding the Book of Mormon in Mesoamerica.
you can't throw the baby out with the bath water... meaning u cant accept the BoM as revelation from God and then throw out everything else JSjr said on the topic... REMEMBER the events of 3rd Nephi before the coming of Christ, the entire landscape was changed during the calamity that followed the crucifiction and many of the "descriptions" he references were from BEFORE these changes occurred (pre - 3rd Nephi). in short the preponderance of evidence and REVELATION simply doesnt support the mesoamerican theory. look at the Adena/hopewell indian theory, now it fits both the physical evidence AND revelation and addresses the hill Cumorah problem.
The heartland model is not a mere theory or opinion, it is the specific place where Joseph Smith identified the events of the Book of Mormon. Either you believe the prophet, or you mess around and dabble with archeology and your own surmising, and that’s what I’m finding here. The bottom line is that Joseph Smith didn’t wonder, he knew, and he identified it. So case closed for me. It is important to know exactly where the location is for a prophetic reason: we won’t know what land we are called to defend the freedom of if we don’t even know where it is. FREEDOM IS PREREQUISITE TO THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST. We are called to defend with blood even, an actual land, not just the theory of a land. This meso “theory”, and it is merely that, has caused the harm that the prophet said it would. Joseph wouldn’t contradict himself, therefore, that Times And Seasons article was planted via identity theft (WHILE he sat in Liberty Jail!) and WITHOUT the prophets permission. How convenient for the determined that the editorial page was unsigned! Yes! How convenient, as THEN the members would assume that the prophet wrote it. But he did not because he already had made an adamant decision against meso America. His fellow server in the Church, however, was peer-needy, searching for some evidence to satisfy the mobs. Ever notice that meso never did not satisfy those mobs? It is sad to see people spend years of their lives looking in the wrong place (wrong according to The prophet Joseph Smith, and he was adamant about the subject), when they know he pointed to exactly where it was. Those ruins struck the real writer of that deceitful article like cocaine-he just couldn’t accept the prophets directive concerning those ruins not being the correct place, because he was thirsty to make anything into to evidence. Well Meso still does not make for evidence. I am seeing some seriously prideful, shut-down minds when it comes to meso America and no one can call me shut down when my reasons for where I’m following are not based anything but trusting the prophet. Read the scriptures in Nephi and Isaiah. Meso does not match the “free land of promise, a land above all other lands” picture, because we know that freedom is intended to stay in place until Christ comes again. Many prophets have verified this land as that promised land. You meso archeologists-are you archeologists first, and followers of the prophet second, or what?? They are archeologists first, and do not have faith in the words of the prophets. That’s the way I see it. This “only place” thing said here by Sorenson is literally untrue-that’s negating Joseph Smith. It makes me sad that one bears witness of the Book of Mormon, and yet sets aside the prophet’s words who brought it forth. It is an inconsistency that indeed HAS and still does do the Church much harm and causes confusion for the sincerely searching. Either you believe in a prophet’s purpose and calling or not. The ruins in meso America are not so “all that” that they should come ahead of the prophet’s words. I believe that the strong pull of false tradition (yes, it’s just that) concerning that meso location is like a drug- they just can’t let go of it, can they. Every person lead in that direction, their spiritual condition of loss is also found on deviators’ hands.
@@tonyf8167 notwithstanding the landscape being changed, the survivors sure seemed to find their way around like not much had changed
@@kevinharper9190 changes nothing... one must either accept revelation or not.
just another nail in the coffin; the architecture of the structures in meso-america DO NOT conform to the Law of Moses (yes there are building rules too, read ur bible), which the Nephites in the BoM strictly adhered to, for the most part, and the Lamanites were not noted as being builders of anything.
Meso-American or Hopewell? Interesting arguments. If America used to be the promised land (that ended Jan 20, 2021) then wouldn’t the BoM have taken place in the USA? Either way, this will be an argument that lasts until Jesus’ second coming I bet.
Edit: I’ve come to understand that Central and North America could both be areas where some peoples of the BOM lived. The majority being in Central America in my opinion, with maybe break off groups heading to the hopewell areas. Regardless, either/or would not weaken or strengthen my faith of the veracity of the BOM or the church the translator of it, Joseph Smith, helped restore. Knowing Jesus Christ is my redeemer, as witnessed and testified of by prophets and peoples in the Eastern (Bible) and Western Hemisphere (BOM) is what truly helps me.
hello I'm a fellow LDS and native of that great city with many lakes that now is host to over 20+ million peoples called Mexico City. I've been reading up on Fernando de Alva Cortés Ixtlilxóchitl and it does not take a genius to put the dots together (time-wise) to see that either Joseph Smith had a time machine of some sort or that what he was given Spiritual powers to be able to translate the Golden plates (which in my humble opinion is unknown ""Technology"" that we do not understand currently) . Again I'm a strong believer in the spiritual aspect of things, but also believe that science/technology is knowledge we can not understand YET and ones we progress unto the next realm the vail will allow us to understand all these things. Sorenson is right on target, maybe a few lines "inches" off but aren't we all scholars on that same boat. gracias hermanos.
God bless Dr. Sorenson, his book helped me join the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints.
Hello - I would love to get in touch with John L. Sorenson. I wrote a book in 2008 called The Lost Redemption of the Lost Tribes. Although it's fiction, it is based on facts. My family on my father's side is mormon and goes back to the Wilcox brothers of Navaroo. I do believe Joseph Smith found tablets (although incomplete) but he got the YEAR translation wrong. Instead of reading it as YEARS he should have read it as KIN. 2300 KIN ago would place Moroni in 378 A.D. During this tie the first "foreign war gods" hit the shores of Cozumel. If anybody has a way to get in touch with John L. Sorenson, please let me know. Thanks.
He wasn’t translating of his own directive. It was by the power and direction of the Holy Ghost. Actually, the city’s name is not Navaroo, but “Nauvoo”.
I'm not knocking the material presented, just saying.... I think he is reading from the book of 'ether'. I danged near fell asleep listening to this.
lol!