This is actually a video rebuttal to an anti-Mormon video called The Bible vs. The Book of Mormon. It mostly consists of evidences of The Book of Mormon.
I have always wondered why evangelicals who hate the Book Of Morman spend so much of their trying to disprove something that they do not believe is true . If it were not true it would have gone by the wayside long before now . The great basien area would still be a wasteland . And the Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints would have went the way of Jim Jones . The evangelicals do a great deal to maintain my testimony for me.
It seems reasonable to suppose, that whats really happening here, is are discoveries being found which supports the writings of the Book of Mormon. To the basics. The options are, within the scope of who is the Author of the Book of Mormon. 1. God in Heaven 2. The Devil 3. A man, possibly Joseph Smith Who has the motive, 1. If God, Read Title page of The Book of Mormon. 2. IF the Devil, i cant think of one. The Book of Mormon, leads men to believe in God, also speaks of the cunning and craftiness of of Devil. He doesnt even want you to talk of himself. He wants to do his work in Secrecy. 3. Joseph Smith, it seems to me, the difficulty is/was so great, risky dangerous, disruptive, he would have motivation not to claim he translated it. In fact he only says he translated it.
I HAVE A BOOK OF MORMON FIFTH EDITION!!!! THERE WERE OBKYVABOUT 400 COPIES OF THESES. THEY WERE MADE IN 1842!!!! WHAT SHOULD I DO IT MAY BE WORTH 40,000 DOLLARS NO JOKE!!!!!!
+tom h Congratulations for leaving the Mormon Church. You're not strong and stable enough to be a Mormon right now. You saved us the trouble of throwing your ass out. Have a nice, unaccountable life.
Confusion. Are not Mormons Christian? Do you believe in the Bible? Such as the NASB translation, 1995 is as close to literal translation of the koine Greek, and the actual intended meaning of the time the original writings we're written. With over 5,700 manuscripts dating back to the 120's ad and of course way further back for the OT, what, exactly, are the scientific problems with, what I suppose you are meaning as Christianity, that is of a separation in how it affects Biblical Christianity, and NOT affect Mormonism, since as many LDS proclaim, are Christian themselves. So how could one affect biblical Christianity and not it turn affect Mormonism. All the while, on the reverse side of that very coin, what affects the BoM does NOT have ANY effect on Biblical Christianity.
I have a friend here in Peru, he is an archeolgist and he finds metal samples very often in his daily work,, the only type of metal not found and mentioned in the BoM is Steel. However the steel known among old egiptians is quite different than steel known today
Evangelicals cannot stop themselves from attacking those who park their cars non-evangelical parking lots on Sundays. Some of the sharpest tongues I have witnessed wag from the mouths of evangelicals. If you don't care for another person's religion, ignore it. If their doctrines are so perfect, they should promote them. Attacking others would leave one to believe their is something missing in their own.
I'll consider your thoughts. Lets ask God the Eternal Father in the Name of Christ if the BOM is or is not TRUE. Right? And by the Power of the Holy Ghost He will manifest the truth of it unto me and everyone that ask with real intent having faith in Christ nothing waivering.
Did anyone study the stories of the Inca? A ship of travelers who came from the west? A king who could speak to the heavens and predict the future? One name I found that was interesting is the festival they have for Tupa Inca Yupanqui.
Matt 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
Yes they do have a bias. But don't people that believe the Bible is true also have a bias? Why else would they look for evidence if they didn't have a bias? I would think this video shows enough evidence to give a possibility of the Book of Mormon being true unless you have a bias against it. I know it's true because I prayed about it after I read it.
joseph smith recieved the words directly from god via a seer stone he would place in a hat. he never used the plates and therefore couldn't make any mistakes because they came from god. but he couldn't get animals, metals, and grains correct. could god be wrong or did joseph make them up. god would know animals names because he was with adam when he named all the animals. i have found many faults with the bom and i am a mormon. i am searching for the truth.
@Wáldiner Peixoto de Alencar ive read the book and the more i read it the more i know its not true. Also smith was shown to fake treasure hunt for people so hes proven to make stuff up to people and convince them. Its obvious he did this with this religion. He had almost a decade to make it up.
The first part mentions coinage. I went and checked Alma 11 on lds.org and you're correct. It never did say coinage or coins....but using the search engine for 'coins' leads back to Alma 11 saying those are coins.
I read the Book of Mormon without anyone telling me anything to influence my experience. I prayed for the wisdom that the prophets of the Bible had which is distinctly different to the total darkness and ignorance that exists today with so called European derived Christianity, most of the religious people today never read scripture at all but think they believe in something and have no a clue of anything or act in any way different to non believers. After reading the Book I had a massive spiritual experience where the Holy Ghost said directly to my very center of being : "The Book of Mormon is True , Joseph Smith is a Prophet and God is active today" Joseph Smith was a real Prophet the things he did in his life such as the church, cities temples, books of revelations and translations that he created and non stop persecution he received during all of it is staggering to actually behold, no founder from any of the today's religions comes close to achieving what he achieved, his was killed in the end by the same world that killed Jesus and his apostles because he was just like them. Not a day goes by when I do not wish I was 1 billionth of the man her was, unfortunetly men like that could not exist in this curropt immoral hypocritical and degenerate world that exists today.
mailtemp1234 very true i was. an atheist ans this rwliguon ws rhw only one that convinced me to believe. that God exists . and rhat because i was challenged to ask my self and my experienxe has been fuulbof revelations feom borh God and rhe devil aswell sin since then there are some foolish people thatv want lds vto desbelieve this instead of they expeeimenting. how sad.
Thank you for sharing. I had an initially similar experience of being able to read and study the Book of Mormon without anyone telling me anything to influence my experience (I received my Book of Mormon from a Marriott hotel). But instead of leaning on my feelings as a determinant of truth I did what the Bible commands: "test all things; hold fast to what is good." When reading the Book of Mormon I started to have feelings of deja vu as the material sounded familiar. Very familiar. Very very familiar. In fact much of it sounded like the book of Isaiah from my King James Version of the Bible. Before testing the Book of Mormon I was studying the King James Version-only movement and discovered that there were several verses that were not translated correctly. For example, Isaiah 3:3 "The captain of fifty, and the honourable man, and the counsellor, and the cunning aftificer, and the eloquent orator" (1769 KJV). In this verse the 1611 KJV followed the Bishops Bible in the rendering of lachash biyn as "eloquent oratour." This translation is incorrect and modern Bible versions suggest one versed in enchantments. One can see below how the English of this verse developed: Coverdale "the masters of craftes and oratours" Great Bible "the master of craftes and oratours" Geneva Bible "eloquent man" Bishops Bible "eloquent oratour" 1611 KJV "eloquent oratour" 1769 KJV "eloquent orator" * BOM "eloquent orator" (2 Nephi 13:3) The most common renderings today are "expert in charms" or "skillful (or clever) enchanter". The fact that the Book of Mormon contains the incorrectly translated "eloquent orator" as found in the 1769 King James Version of the Bible suggests that Smith was not translating (or dictating) from an ancient source but instead following the English text of the Bible. This theory is given more weight considering that this is not an isolated event as there are many 1769 KJV translation errors that appear within the text of the Book of Mormon. Let's look at the facts and use some common sense: 1. 1769 KJV translation mistakes appear in the Book of Mormon which suggest it's not really a translation from an ancient source (it's a violation of common sense to think that 17th century translation mistakes would appear in a truly ancient document). 2. When considering the appearance of 1769 KJV translation mistakes it's unreasonable to think that even with the assistance of the Urim & Thummim, the seer stone, and "the gift and power of God" that Smith could still not come up with the correct translation. 3. This means Smith was not telling the truth about the origin of the Book of Mormon and it's translation process. 3. This also suggests that the witness to the plates and the translation process were not being truthful. 4. Since Joseph Smith can't be trusted from the get-go why trust anything else he had to say? The devil is a master of deception, so it's important to not just assume that experiences which seem divinely originated are actually so. The devil is crafty and will mask things to make them appear from God. It's also important not to rely on feelings as a determinant of truth (i.e. burning bosom). That's why we need to test things against the Bible. Ironically it's the very Bible that Smith copied text from that reveals him to be a liar and con-man.
@@saurasenascorgan1319 It is common knowledge that Joseph Smith used the KJV version of the book of Isaiah for quicker translation. I plead with you to further look into these inconsistencies, and to doubt your doubts before you doubt your faith.
Don't mean to be rude but i have a genuine question, I thought God gave the revelation to Joseph Smith, and it was perfect? I'm 15minutes in and all i've heard really is: "Oh, ______ doesn't really mean that but rather _______"
Ask away...ask away...you aren't being 'rude' if you truly have doubts and need clarification for these doubts... Go ahead and approach this video with all the 'skepticism' in the world....but also with 'openmindedness.' It's good to be skeptical.....but be unbiased as well...
Thank you for doing this video. I think the manner in which the information presented here speaks volumes. There is no attempt to force the opinion on anyone, no shrill complaint or attempt to lambaste anyone - just a simple presentation of basic facts. Not to say that FARMS is not trying to argue their position. They are. But they do so with easily verifiable facts and an intention to be fair and honest. Thank you!
The Tower of Babel and the language fracture ? The Bronze Age collapse in the Near East circa 1200 BC. Syriac divides into 72 separate dialects. Egyptian 22nd Dynasty and Pharaoh Psussennes 1 [ King David ] at 1,000 BC. Judean Egypt from the Nile to the Euphrates. Thus the Judean / Egyptian influence into Iraq. A band of central Asians, of Siberian and Mongolian stock, in Iraq, the Jaredites. Maybe in Solomon's time they head back into central Asia and onto the Pacific coast and then across the Pacific into North America, starting the Woodland Period in North America circa 1,000 BC, with the quasi Egyptian-Judaic Adena culture. All Indianism throughout all the Americas springs from it. They all take off everywhere and do all sorts of different things. What then of the pre-Woodland Archaic ? Australo-Melanesian.
Just an observation, where are the archeologists without prejudice. Some in the other video had an agenda, but there were those who were just looking at the proof. This just seems to be grasping at straws.
Does anyone know the origin of their sect/church/faith/???? Constantine, Pope, and all that Roman mess led to all the same yet diff churches today. "christian" that come on here to talk trash... not Christ-like at all.
Who ever said this or any revelation is perfect. Not a one of us walk on water including Joseph Smith. Each of us read the sciptures ( including the bible)with our own presective. This whole film is an answer film to an anti postion film. They are trying to boil down books and books without peoples eyes glazing over. sources?...I guess they are the sources.
On Friday, 19 July, a free exhibition of 23 oil paintings by famed illustrator Norman Rockwell will open at the Church History Museum of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The paintings were created for the Brown & Bigelow Scouting calendar, popular in the U.S. in 1930s, '40s and '50s, and appeared in Boys' Life, the monthly magazine of the Boy Scouts of America (BSA).
Several churches in the Fort Collins area were on guard Sunday after a self-proclaimed "Islamist jihadist" threatened that they would be "destroyed," Fort Collins police said.
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rileyk86 you might think but i was raidsed wthout religionand fought it. but at 24 met the lds miissionaries and when trying to prove them wrong i had an experience like the one is described about paul in the bible do i got baptized felt great for a while then a yesr later abandoned the fsith tobfight the church. and its doctrine again but guess what? i found then that infact. the devil is real and was trying to make me his my experience has been life changing God is not a theory the devil either in fact he influences minds he has power too he helps spread rumors of the non existing of God he whispers in the mind its so real. but every one decides who or what to believe and that must be respected.
i think Kerry Shirts is no longer a lds. he is one of the ones who really got me to read the book of Mormon. I still don't think it is the word of God. but I am reading lots of book that try to show its true. does any one know what happen to Kerry Shirts?? is he ok?
Eric Just A Sinner. well if you are reading the book of mormon you are in the right path to know if it is in fact the word if God but there is something more importatnt that you must do .you must sincerely ask in prayer to God to reveal to you if it is .as far as me from being an atheist tlo believing in something that was the key. and in fact i lwft the church a year after been baptized and became so miserable and at that point i inmerse myself to not only tey to orove that the churxh was false aswell as noseph smith and read all lds boooks as possible, all the. lds church history and besides all religions from their doctrines and beliefs not comments by outsiders and also antimormon propaganda. and guess what i received not anly personal revelations from God but also from the evil one angry at me so then i understood how is that joseph smith received opposition from the devil and precissely thats what he does now to those who search the truth so its up to you to know the difference now. but one thing if you seek you will find if you ask you will receive and if you knock it will be open unto you . so dont forget that. good luck.
Andrew Weller Wait, really? On his channel backyard professor (which he hasn't posted on in a long time) he clearly seemed to indicate that he no longer believed. Infact, he seemed to be leaning towards Atheism. If what you say is true, I am very interested to know more.
@@andrewandstacieweller1927 I'd also like some clarification on this point. Do you mean he is still a churchgoer and socially LDS? Does he believe that Joseph Smith was called by a real and living God?
it is very funny how the ones that oppose the church of the lord jesus christ are. already miserables all. unhappy and thwy want the lds members to be like them a dono see any sort of kindness nor joy in thervpresebt lives bu all the opposite no body is as .isserable as tbose who once partook of the spirit of the lord and now are out. thats what is called apostassy and in the hands of satan . i say this because. i once left the church and experienced the same feeling. it is real hell i do not recomend it. they claim that they fiund the real jesus of the bible. but there is no sign of rest vow csn they preach. bean happier now is obvious that they are not. let mw tell you t he key word is called repentance. and seriously i f you think that been good is nlt necesary to enter heaven, or that good works are not necessary you got it wrong that is the gospel of satan for sure, for no impure. thing will inherit his kingdom so don't forget.
This is a very good examination of many Book of Mormon issues. I would highly recommend it to anyone wishing a reasonably objective response to Book of Mormon critics. Of course, it is scholarship produced by those who believe but it is remarkably fair to the critics and refuses to respond pejoratively. A real credit to FairLDS.
Yes but either those people existed or not. I hope you are not saying that the events of the BOM did not happen but that is inspired of God, because the BOM does not let room for that.
David Stobbart OBC it actually claims its historical. If none of it really happened how did Joseph get “golden plates” Moroni buried? This implies Joseph made it up 😂😂😂
I wish that non-Mormons and anti-Mormons unbiasedly and sincerely had the 'genuity' to watch videos such as this -- to see OUR rebuttals to their accusations that what we believe is ludicrous and false -- to see our arguments, etc. I don't believe that most points in this video could be adequately rebuttaled by anti-Mormons... But people and anti-Mormons are such that they vehemently rely on strong-headed opinions and emotions -- they're preconceptions as an overwhelming general rule is that they have already decided and there is no doubt to them that we have a false religion and a false text of scriptures. As a general rule they are not open-minded nor unbiased. That's just the way it is...
Elder Neil A. Maxwell said, "Defenders beget defenders and one of the significant side benefits of scholars who are devoted, . . . is that we will at least reduce the number of people who do not have the capacity to defend their faith and who otherwise might 'grow weary and faint in their minds.'"
I noticed one thing that no one gives any sources concerning the "facts" that are put forth in this video. Since only three of them have a Doctors degree and i'm guessing all of them are Mormon you really need sources for every claim you make. History just doesn't work with no historical reference, that's the way it works. And concerning the horse in Mexico and all of that, give me some sources... I'm only 11 min into the video and it's really hard for me to keep going because of this flaw.
Mormonism Live and other exmo group "bring it" on a regular basis big time. The church can no longer try to put the genie back in the bottle as far as their irrationalism goes.
having studied the ancient sanskrit scriptures of india for 30 years i would have to say that the mormons have a definite right to their beliefs and in many ways some of their concepts about prelife existence and becoming demi gods or kings of celestial planets has similar counterparts in the vedic scriptures of india.It does appear that while the catholics, christians,muslims, and mormans have an endless history of fighting and even killing each other, the hindus have a relatively peaceful and spiritual history in comprison I believe the mormans are convicted in their beliefs which is beautiful but it appears that they also have become fundamentalists in their vehement dislike towards all pre or post morman christian churches. I pray that all spiritual movements especially large ones can realize how much ignorance we are in if we think that our church is the only one and true church of God.very nice video
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The concerts' theme was finding hope after loss, using the story of the Mormon pioneers' journey to the Salt Lake Valley in the 1840s as a backdrop. Choir director and Mormon Zach Tanner told The Moore American that the choir chose the Mormon pioneer story because it's about "a people who managed to find hope after everything was taken from them. They are forced to leave everything behind and build new lives, with just their faith to rely on."
I am an Ex-Mormon and now a born again Christian who still lives in Utah. There are issues that the BOM has with the Bible and even against itself verses the prophets D&C and Peal of Great Price. I don't bash Mormons, I love them very much, but they are not Christians. Although they take the name of Christ, so did other deceived cults that ended up bad. Mormonism theology is far from truth, but the people are really good people, but as Christians, we don't get to Heaven by being "Good people". We get to Heaven because Jesus Christ was the perfect Lamb of God. Mormonism is a heavy Polytheistic view, which is against the Bible of course, but also, it is against itself. This is one of the main points of LDS Doctrine that cannot stand. I pray for Mormons and we just moved here to the Utah Mountains Wasatch County and I long to share the true Jesus with them. Sadly, Most Apostate Mormons I have met, turn Atheist. This may not be true for most, but the ones I know are..... I pray that they do not stay Atheist.
Richard Holmes Yes, Joseph Smith said he had a revelation and vision with God and with Jesus Christ (2 separate and distinct entities according to Mormonism) that said all churches was an abomination to God and Smith claimed that God restored the true gospel unto him. Joseph Smith would go on to give a prophecy that Christ would return in 56 years. That was a long time ago, one of the many false prophecies Smith seem to have. So, I would imagine they claimed to be the latter day saints may be for that reason.
Richard Holmes Sorry, I am a busy man. I minister to a lot of people, mostly on FB. And comment on many videos on youtube. Anyway, I am just trying to expose the lie of Mormonism. It's sad that people refuse to believe that it's all a hopeless attempt for man to take back control. Same lie the devil had given in the garden of eden... You shall become as gods... Most Mormons, I believe, are more aware of the felicities of the LDS doctrine and just are afraid to come out. I had to expose my own past so that others would know the truth.
vaulter001 its truth Oh my.... If is a big word... So it wasn't a prophecy, is that what you are saying? Then why was it given? I have never heard of a prophecy with an "if" in it, like God doesn't know for sure.
This was 1 of the sealed books.. It is now open.. matches up directly with the bible and the prophecies.. Nefie tells you Isreal will come together when this book is uncealed... It's been in whites possession and with no avail to them as a nation... Now when this book comes all the way forward... You other nations should start to worried now. Who does the bible really belong too.. what color people?? Who does the book of Mor belong too?? Funny you should have never let us learn how to read.. We have figured you out.. And the lost books shall now come forth....
"Horses didn't come to ancient america until the spanish came" That is the CURRENT thought. Give it time. there wasn't cement until the 1830's until it was discovered in the 1920's. I could go on and on.
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I think when you at anything you see what you want to see. That goes for both sides of the arguments. Those apposed, refuse to give any validity to evidence which supports the Churches claims. Those who agree are willing to give validity even the smallest piece of evidence.
55:40 as a faithful LDS member, from now on, I am not taking FairMormon seriously. Is this really a Christ centered and Bible believing church anymore? Wow, just wow.
FunkYcatholic69 Wow... people who make statements that make no sense what so ever. I am guessing you don't like facts? What upsets you... that archeology does prove the exodus and genesis? If so... please be fruitful and share your knowledge.
All these guys got the Lord figured out. Wow now we know where the Book of Mormon took place!!!!!! Right....... they have no idea, they can speculate all they want. They don't know the mind of the Lord and they never will. The lord will reveal where the Book of Mormon took place on his own due time. And Let me tell you, we are in for a BIG SURPRISE.
I do not like cults, this one tried to snare my daughter about 4 years ago, thankfully we got her treatment before she was too brainwashed. She is doing fine now, I am so grateful they did not harm her.
Ah, you're on to us. If we could only have her for a little bit longer, we could hook her up to our mind-bending machines and have her join in our multiple wives club. smh
Hi Brenda, what kind of "treatment" did your daughter receive? Are you sure she (your daughter) was connecting with the Church like the one in Salt lake City?
Concerning the possibility that many 'animal names' in the Book of Mormon mean a completely different animal that what is stated instead -- throughout my research over the years of all Native American languages throughout the entire Western Hemisphere -- there is rarely any consistency from one Native American language family to another in terms of their animal 'nomenclature systems': Many animal terms in many Native American languages have been completely 're-invented' over the millenia or undergone extreme semantic change. In a South American language family that I am currently researching -- the words for dogs in these Native American languages corresponds to their word for jaguar. A dog obviously looks nothing like a jaguar, and yet these two animals are used nearly synonymously. In other Native American languages, the word 'buffalo' might mean 'human' and in another language buffalo, dog, and horse may all derive from the same root. There are countless examples throughout many world languages that show extreme variation from what a term is supposed to mean, as opposed to what it actually does mean. A deer could actually mean a goat in or both in Semitic (Hebrew/Arabic) languages......so it is absolutely no stretch that when the Book of Mormon mentions 'horses' or many other animal names that supposedly existed in the New World......they could mean something completely different, instead -- something that only very vaguely looks like a horse, etc...
omiolo. they found cement buried under sea water on oak island with water lines hanging out of it. where did that come from. its undocumented. cement. where it should not have been.
I have always wondered why evangelicals who hate the Book Of Morman spend so much of their trying to disprove something that they do not believe is true . If it were not true it would have gone by the wayside long before now . The great basien area would still be a wasteland . And the Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints would have went the way of Jim Jones . The evangelicals do a great deal to maintain my testimony for me.
Gotta be honest. I love apologetics and this information fascinates me, BUT THAT TYPING IS ANNOYING AS ALL GET OUT!
Agreed
It seems reasonable to suppose, that whats really happening here, is are discoveries being found which supports the writings of the Book of Mormon.
To the basics. The options are, within the scope of who is the Author of the Book of Mormon.
1. God in Heaven
2. The Devil
3. A man, possibly Joseph Smith
Who has the motive,
1. If God, Read Title page of The Book of Mormon.
2. IF the Devil, i cant think of one. The Book of Mormon, leads men to believe in God, also speaks of the cunning and craftiness of of Devil. He doesnt even want you to talk of himself. He wants to do his work in Secrecy.
3. Joseph Smith, it seems to me, the difficulty is/was so great, risky dangerous, disruptive, he would have motivation not to claim he translated it. In fact he only says he translated it.
Excellent work!
Heartlander here. 👋🏻
Daniel C. Peterson is my hero!
Oh the whole world laughs at us? You need to conduct a recount.
I HAVE A BOOK OF MORMON FIFTH EDITION!!!! THERE WERE OBKYVABOUT 400 COPIES OF THESES. THEY WERE MADE IN 1842!!!! WHAT SHOULD I DO IT MAY BE WORTH 40,000 DOLLARS NO JOKE!!!!!!
Too late I sold it to John Hancock for 32k :)
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They deny the power there of, at the end of the day every knee will bend!
This land will be over ran and and destroyed. Season of flies, food for fowls and beast. Good LUCK!
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+tom h Congratulations for leaving the Mormon Church. You're not strong and stable enough to be a Mormon right now. You saved us the trouble of throwing your ass out. Have a nice, unaccountable life.
You Mormon are protect child molester
+tom h You talk bad language. You no talk good. Can't think what you say.
I love how evangelicals use "science" against the Book of Mormon, but disregard scientific critiques of their own faith.
You wrote this 8 years ago :) imagine
Confusion. Are not Mormons Christian?
Do you believe in the Bible?
Such as the NASB translation, 1995 is as close to literal translation of the koine Greek, and the actual intended meaning of the time the original writings we're written. With over 5,700 manuscripts dating back to the 120's ad and of course way further back for the OT, what, exactly, are the scientific problems with, what I suppose you are meaning as Christianity, that is of a separation in how it affects Biblical Christianity, and NOT affect Mormonism, since as many LDS proclaim, are Christian themselves. So how could one affect biblical Christianity and not it turn affect Mormonism. All the while, on the reverse side of that very coin, what affects the BoM does NOT have ANY effect on Biblical Christianity.
I have a friend here in Peru, he is an archeolgist and he finds metal samples very often in his daily work,, the only type of metal not found and mentioned in the BoM is Steel. However the steel known among old egiptians is quite different than steel known today
I love the Book of Mormon🥰
Yes!
Evangelicals cannot stop themselves from attacking those who park their cars non-evangelical parking lots on Sundays. Some of the sharpest tongues I have witnessed wag from the mouths of evangelicals. If you don't care for another person's religion, ignore it. If their doctrines are so perfect, they should promote them. Attacking others would leave one to believe their is something missing in their own.
I'll consider your thoughts. Lets ask God the Eternal Father in the Name of Christ if the BOM is or is not TRUE. Right? And by the Power of the Holy Ghost He will manifest the truth of it unto me and everyone that ask with real intent having faith in Christ nothing waivering.
Did anyone study the stories of the Inca? A ship of travelers who came from the west? A king who could speak to the heavens and predict the future? One name I found that was interesting is the festival they have for Tupa Inca Yupanqui.
Matt 16:4
A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
Yes they do have a bias. But don't people that believe the Bible is true also have a bias? Why else would they look for evidence if they didn't have a bias? I would think this video shows enough evidence to give a possibility of the Book of Mormon being true unless you have a bias against it. I know it's true because I prayed about it after I read it.
joseph smith recieved the words directly from god via a seer stone he would place in a hat. he never used the plates and therefore couldn't make any mistakes because they came from god. but he couldn't get animals, metals, and grains correct. could god be wrong or did joseph make them up. god would know animals names because he was with adam when he named all the animals. i have found many faults with the bom and i am a mormon. i am searching for the truth.
Carrdain the truth is at 2028end d o t c o m
Could be...... may be....... may someday prove to be....... does not necessarily disprove....... heard it all before.
@Wáldiner Peixoto de Alencar ive read the book and the more i read it the more i know its not true. Also smith was shown to fake treasure hunt for people so hes proven to make stuff up to people and convince them. Its obvious he did this with this religion. He had almost a decade to make it up.
The first part mentions coinage. I went and checked Alma 11 on lds.org and you're correct. It never did say coinage or coins....but using the search engine for 'coins' leads back to Alma 11 saying those are coins.
I read the Book of Mormon without anyone telling me anything to influence my experience. I prayed for the wisdom that the prophets of the Bible had which is distinctly different to the total darkness and ignorance that exists today with so called European derived Christianity, most of the religious people today never read scripture at all but think they believe in something and have no a clue of anything or act in any way different to non believers.
After reading the Book I had a massive spiritual experience where the Holy Ghost said directly to my very center of being : "The Book of Mormon is True , Joseph Smith is a Prophet and God is active today"
Joseph Smith was a real Prophet the things he did in his life such as the church, cities temples, books of revelations and translations that he created and non stop persecution he received during all of it is staggering to actually behold, no founder from any of the today's religions comes close to achieving what he achieved, his was killed in the end by the same world that killed Jesus and his apostles because he was just like them.
Not a day goes by when I do not wish I was 1 billionth of the man her was, unfortunetly men like that could not exist in this curropt immoral hypocritical and degenerate world that exists today.
mailtemp1234 very true i was. an atheist ans this rwliguon ws rhw only one that convinced me to believe. that God exists . and rhat because i was challenged to ask my self and my experienxe has been fuulbof revelations feom borh God and rhe devil aswell sin since then there are some foolish people thatv want lds vto desbelieve this instead of they expeeimenting. how sad.
mailtemp1234 exellent
Dear mailtemp 1234, please know the Holy Ghost (that is within you) also speaks the same as you wrote.
Thank you for sharing. I had an initially similar experience of being able to read and study the Book of Mormon without anyone telling me anything to influence my experience (I received my Book of Mormon from a Marriott hotel). But instead of leaning on my feelings as a determinant of truth I did what the Bible commands: "test all things; hold fast to what is good." When reading the Book of Mormon I started to have feelings of deja vu as the material sounded familiar. Very familiar. Very very familiar. In fact much of it sounded like the book of Isaiah from my King James Version of the Bible. Before testing the Book of Mormon I was studying the King James Version-only movement and discovered that there were several verses that were not translated correctly. For example, Isaiah 3:3 "The captain of fifty, and the honourable man, and the counsellor, and the cunning aftificer, and the eloquent orator" (1769 KJV). In this verse the 1611 KJV followed the Bishops Bible in the rendering of lachash biyn as "eloquent oratour." This translation is incorrect and modern Bible versions suggest one versed in enchantments. One can see below how the English of this verse developed:
Coverdale "the masters of craftes and oratours"
Great Bible "the master of craftes and oratours"
Geneva Bible "eloquent man"
Bishops Bible "eloquent oratour"
1611 KJV "eloquent oratour"
1769 KJV "eloquent orator"
* BOM "eloquent orator" (2 Nephi 13:3)
The most common renderings today are "expert in charms" or "skillful (or clever) enchanter". The fact that the Book of Mormon contains the incorrectly translated "eloquent orator" as found in the 1769 King James Version of the Bible suggests that Smith was not translating (or dictating) from an ancient source but instead following the English text of the Bible. This theory is given more weight considering that this is not an isolated event as there are many 1769 KJV translation errors that appear within the text of the Book of Mormon. Let's look at the facts and use some common sense: 1. 1769 KJV translation mistakes appear in the Book of Mormon which suggest it's not really a translation from an ancient source (it's a violation of common sense to think that 17th century translation mistakes would appear in a truly ancient document). 2. When considering the appearance of 1769 KJV translation mistakes it's unreasonable to think that even with the assistance of the Urim & Thummim, the seer stone, and "the gift and power of God" that Smith could still not come up with the correct translation. 3. This means Smith was not telling the truth about the origin of the Book of Mormon and it's translation process. 3. This also suggests that the witness to the plates and the translation process were not being truthful. 4. Since Joseph Smith can't be trusted from the get-go why trust anything else he had to say?
The devil is a master of deception, so it's important to not just assume that experiences which seem divinely originated are actually so. The devil is crafty and will mask things to make them appear from God. It's also important not to rely on feelings as a determinant of truth (i.e. burning bosom). That's why we need to test things against the Bible. Ironically it's the very Bible that Smith copied text from that reveals him to be a liar and con-man.
@@saurasenascorgan1319 It is common knowledge that Joseph Smith used the KJV version of the book of Isaiah for quicker translation. I plead with you to further look into these inconsistencies, and to doubt your doubts before you doubt your faith.
Don't mean to be rude but i have a genuine question, I thought God gave the revelation to Joseph Smith, and it was perfect? I'm 15minutes in and all i've heard really is: "Oh, ______ doesn't really mean that but rather _______"
Ask away...ask away...you aren't being 'rude' if you truly have doubts and need clarification for these doubts...
Go ahead and approach this video with all the 'skepticism' in the world....but also with 'openmindedness.' It's good to be skeptical.....but be unbiased as well...
Book of Mormon took place in North America not South. Youre looking to the wrong place.
who says we care about numbers?when Jesus Christ came many rejected him..numbers do not mean anything wihen it comes to truth
There is plenty of evidence... That the text is not historical.
Thank you for doing this video. I think the manner in which the information presented here speaks volumes. There is no attempt to force the opinion on anyone, no shrill complaint or attempt to lambaste anyone - just a simple presentation of basic facts. Not to say that FARMS is not trying to argue their position. They are. But they do so with easily verifiable facts and an intention to be fair and honest. Thank you!
I wonder what old Kerry is up to these days lol
*inhales* LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
it takes liars to spread a lie.
What is astonishing is that even with credible evidence it is still not enough for some.
The Church is true.
JuanHZK You mean the *Gospel is true.
People believe what they want to believe. See what they want to see.
The Tower of Babel and the language fracture ? The Bronze Age collapse in the Near East circa 1200 BC. Syriac divides into 72 separate dialects. Egyptian 22nd Dynasty and Pharaoh Psussennes 1 [ King David ] at 1,000 BC. Judean Egypt from the Nile to the Euphrates. Thus the Judean / Egyptian influence into Iraq. A band of central Asians, of Siberian and Mongolian stock, in Iraq, the Jaredites. Maybe in Solomon's time they head back into central Asia and onto the Pacific coast and then across the Pacific into North America, starting the Woodland Period in North America circa 1,000 BC, with the quasi Egyptian-Judaic Adena culture. All Indianism throughout all the Americas springs from it. They all take off everywhere and do all sorts of different things. What then of the pre-Woodland Archaic ? Australo-Melanesian.
Just an observation, where are the archeologists without prejudice. Some in the other video had an agenda, but there were those who were just looking at the proof. This just seems to be grasping at straws.
Does anyone know the origin of their sect/church/faith/????
Constantine, Pope, and all that Roman mess led to all the same yet diff churches today.
"christian" that come on here to talk trash... not Christ-like at all.
Who ever said this or any revelation is perfect. Not a one of us walk on water including Joseph Smith. Each of us read the sciptures ( including the bible)with our own presective. This whole film is an answer film to an anti postion film. They are trying to boil down books and books without peoples eyes glazing over. sources?...I guess they are the sources.
On Friday, 19 July, a free exhibition of 23 oil paintings by famed illustrator Norman Rockwell will open at the Church History Museum of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The paintings were created for the Brown & Bigelow Scouting calendar, popular in the U.S. in 1930s, '40s and '50s, and appeared in Boys' Life, the monthly magazine of the Boy Scouts of America (BSA).
Keep plugging that chicken, Mos. 😄
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If there are two ways to enter a country, via sea without a boat or via land, which one will you take?
"the only reason you believe your Mormon.."
Or because I am HIGHLY educated and YOU are NOT!
Try a youtube search on thebackyardprofessor for lots of videos with references.
A Scoutmaster named Molly? You must have some tough scouts to put up with the teasing. =)
This is almost as stupid as Christianity. Both are false.
rileyk86 you might think but i was raidsed wthout religionand fought it. but at 24 met the lds miissionaries and when trying to prove them wrong i had an experience like the one is described about paul in the bible do i got baptized felt great for a while then a yesr later abandoned the fsith tobfight the church. and its doctrine again but guess what? i found then that infact. the devil is real and was trying to make me his my experience has been life changing God is not a theory the devil either in fact he influences minds he has power too he helps spread rumors of the non existing of God he whispers in the mind its so real. but every one decides who or what to believe and that must be respected.
This is almost as stupid as Christianity. Both are false.
I'm sure your post has persuaded thousands. Perhaps millions.
i think Kerry Shirts is no longer a lds. he is one of the ones who really got me to read the book of Mormon. I still don't think it is the word of God. but I am reading lots of book that try to show its true. does any one know what happen to Kerry Shirts?? is he ok?
It's great to see him talk in the VIDEO even though now he would kick himself for saying such things
Eric Just A Sinner. well if you are reading the book of mormon you are in the right path to know if it is in fact the word if God but there is something more importatnt that you must do .you must sincerely ask in prayer to God to reveal to you if it is .as far as me from being an atheist tlo believing in something that was the key. and in fact i lwft the church a year after been baptized and became so miserable and at that point i inmerse myself to not only tey to orove that the churxh was false aswell as noseph smith and read all lds boooks as possible, all the. lds church history and besides all religions from their doctrines and beliefs not comments by outsiders and also antimormon propaganda. and guess what i received not anly personal revelations from God but also from the evil one angry at me so then i understood how is that joseph smith received opposition from the devil and precissely thats what he does now to those who search the truth so its up to you to know the difference now. but one thing if you seek you will find if you ask you will receive and if you knock it will be open unto you . so dont forget that. good luck.
I chatted with Shirts today. Yep he’s still LDS. He is not a fan of church politics. He’s a great friend and I still pick his brain
Andrew Weller Wait, really? On his channel backyard professor (which he hasn't posted on in a long time) he clearly seemed to indicate that he no longer believed. Infact, he seemed to be leaning towards Atheism. If what you say is true, I am very interested to know more.
@@andrewandstacieweller1927
I'd also like some clarification on this point. Do you mean he is still a churchgoer and socially LDS?
Does he believe that Joseph Smith was called by a real and living God?
Sorry, not buying into this at all.
it is very funny how the ones that oppose the church of the lord jesus christ are. already miserables all. unhappy and thwy want the lds members to be like them a dono see any sort of kindness nor joy in thervpresebt lives bu all the opposite no body is as .isserable as tbose who once partook of the spirit of the lord and now are out. thats what is called apostassy and in the hands of satan . i say this because. i once left the church and experienced the same feeling. it is real hell i do not recomend it. they claim that they fiund the real jesus of the bible. but there is no sign of rest vow csn they preach. bean happier now is obvious that they are not. let mw tell you t he key word is called repentance. and seriously i f you think that been good is nlt necesary to enter heaven, or that good works are not necessary you got it wrong that is the gospel of satan for sure, for no impure. thing will inherit his kingdom so don't forget.
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I'm going to man up all over myself!!!!
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We also say moneys.
Love those . Wish I could see them . I am the Scoutmaster in my ward going on 6 years now .
I love the book of Mormon! I want to know where the geographic location is though. "Ask and ye shall receive, knock and it shall be opened unto you."
This is a very good examination of many Book of Mormon issues. I would highly recommend it to anyone wishing a reasonably objective response to Book of Mormon critics. Of course, it is scholarship produced by those who believe but it is remarkably fair to the critics and refuses to respond pejoratively. A real credit to FairLDS.
Thank you for the video. Now the spiritually blinded have to admit they have been blind or harden there hearts more so to protect their pride.
I think the book of Mormon as scripture, not a history book
Yes but either those people existed or not. I hope you are not saying that the events of the BOM did not happen but that is inspired of God, because the BOM does not let room for that.
David Stobbart OBC it actually claims its historical. If none of it really happened how did Joseph get “golden plates” Moroni buried? This implies Joseph made it up 😂😂😂
Bored now.
I wish that non-Mormons and anti-Mormons unbiasedly and sincerely had the 'genuity' to watch videos such as this -- to see OUR rebuttals to their accusations that what we believe is ludicrous and false -- to see our arguments, etc.
I don't believe that most points in this video could be adequately rebuttaled by anti-Mormons...
But people and anti-Mormons are such that they vehemently rely on strong-headed opinions and emotions -- they're preconceptions as an overwhelming general rule is that they have already decided and there is no doubt to them that we have a false religion and a false text of scriptures. As a general rule they are not open-minded nor unbiased. That's just the way it is...
Elder Neil A. Maxwell said, "Defenders beget defenders and one of
the significant side benefits of scholars who are devoted, . . . is
that we will at least reduce the number of people who do not have
the capacity to defend their faith and who otherwise might 'grow
weary and faint in their minds.'"
These "scholars" need to be devoted to the truth rather than to their apologetics.
I noticed one thing that no one gives any sources concerning the "facts" that are put forth in this video. Since only three of them have a Doctors degree and i'm guessing all of them are Mormon you really need sources for every claim you make. History just doesn't work with no historical reference, that's the way it works. And concerning the horse in Mexico and all of that, give me some sources... I'm only 11 min into the video and it's really hard for me to keep going because of this flaw.
What an AWESOME video!!! Thanks FAIR for putting this out! I say to all the unbelievers to BRING IT!
Mormonism Live and other exmo group "bring it" on a regular basis big time. The church can no longer try to put the genie back in the bottle as far as their irrationalism goes.
having studied the ancient sanskrit scriptures of india for 30 years i would have to say that the mormons have a definite right to their beliefs and in many ways some of their concepts about prelife existence and becoming demi gods or kings of celestial planets has similar counterparts in the vedic scriptures of india.It does appear that while the catholics, christians,muslims, and mormans have an endless history of fighting and even killing each other, the hindus have a relatively peaceful and spiritual history in comprison I believe the mormans are convicted in their beliefs which is beautiful but it appears that they also have become fundamentalists in their vehement dislike towards all pre or post morman christian churches. I pray that all spiritual movements especially large ones can realize how much ignorance we are in if we think that our church is the only one and true church of God.very nice video
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Keep up the good work. Scott.
god bless
You need to have far better video editing and make it more entertaining and appealing.
Hi, I need this video with translation into Spanish. where I can get it? thanks
I am an Ex-Mormon and now a born again Christian who still lives in Utah. There are issues that the BOM has with the Bible and even against itself verses the prophets D&C and Peal of Great Price. I don't bash Mormons, I love them very much, but they are not Christians. Although they take the name of Christ, so did other deceived cults that ended up bad. Mormonism theology is far from truth, but the people are really good people, but as Christians, we don't get to Heaven by being "Good people". We get to Heaven because Jesus Christ was the perfect Lamb of God. Mormonism is a heavy Polytheistic view, which is against the Bible of course, but also, it is against itself. This is one of the main points of LDS Doctrine that cannot stand. I pray for Mormons and we just moved here to the Utah Mountains Wasatch County and I long to share the true Jesus with them. Sadly, Most Apostate Mormons I have met, turn Atheist. This may not be true for most, but the ones I know are..... I pray that they do not stay Atheist.
Well said
Richard Holmes Yes, Joseph Smith said he had a revelation and vision with God and with Jesus Christ (2 separate and distinct entities according to Mormonism) that said all churches was an abomination to God and Smith claimed that God restored the true gospel unto him. Joseph Smith would go on to give a prophecy that Christ would return in 56 years. That was a long time ago, one of the many false prophecies Smith seem to have. So, I would imagine they claimed to be the latter day saints may be for that reason.
Richard Holmes Sorry, I am a busy man. I minister to a lot of people, mostly on FB. And comment on many videos on youtube. Anyway, I am just trying to expose the lie of Mormonism. It's sad that people refuse to believe that it's all a hopeless attempt for man to take back control. Same lie the devil had given in the garden of eden... You shall become as gods... Most Mormons, I believe, are more aware of the felicities of the LDS doctrine and just are afraid to come out. I had to expose my own past so that others would know the truth.
+shanestjohn1
Actually it said if Joseph Smith lived to be 80 then Christ would come. note the conditional IF
vaulter001 its truth Oh my.... If is a big word... So it wasn't a prophecy, is that what you are saying? Then why was it given? I have never heard of a prophecy with an "if" in it, like God doesn't know for sure.
This was 1 of the sealed books.. It is now open.. matches up directly with the bible and the prophecies.. Nefie tells you Isreal will come together when this book is uncealed... It's been in whites possession and with no avail to them as a nation...
Now when this book comes all the way forward... You other nations should start to worried now. Who does the bible really belong too.. what color people?? Who does the book of Mor belong too??
Funny you should have never let us learn how to read.. We have figured you out.. And the lost books shall now come forth....
Well it can be tough at times but is very rewarding . Molly is the name of my pup , my name is Scott or Bro Hill for the boys . ")
"Horses didn't come to ancient america until the spanish came"
That is the CURRENT thought. Give it time. there wasn't cement until the 1830's until it was discovered in the 1920's. I could go on and on.
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Yes if one is willing to look hard enough and really want to know, the proof is there...the church is true...
I think when you at anything you see what you want to see. That goes for both sides of the arguments. Those apposed, refuse to give any validity to evidence which supports the Churches claims. Those who agree are willing to give validity even the smallest piece of evidence.
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55:40 as a faithful LDS member, from now on, I am not taking FairMormon seriously. Is this really a Christ centered and Bible believing church anymore? Wow, just wow.
FunkYcatholic69 Wow... people who make statements that make no sense what so ever. I am guessing you don't like facts? What upsets you... that archeology does prove the exodus and genesis? If so... please be fruitful and share your knowledge.
All these guys got the Lord figured out. Wow now we know where the Book of Mormon took place!!!!!! Right....... they have no idea, they can speculate all they want. They don't know the mind of the Lord and they never will. The lord will reveal where the Book of Mormon took place on his own due time. And Let me tell you, we are in for a BIG SURPRISE.
I do not like cults, this one tried to snare my daughter about 4 years ago, thankfully we got her treatment before she was too brainwashed. She is doing fine now, I am so grateful they did not harm her.
Ah, you're on to us. If we could only have her for a little bit longer, we could hook her up to our mind-bending machines and have her join in our multiple wives club. smh
Hi Brenda, what kind of "treatment" did your daughter receive? Are you sure she (your daughter) was connecting with the Church like the one in Salt lake City?
Concerning the possibility that many 'animal names' in the Book of Mormon mean a completely different animal that what is stated instead -- throughout my research over the years of all Native American languages throughout the entire Western Hemisphere -- there is rarely any consistency from one Native American language family to another in terms of their animal 'nomenclature systems': Many animal terms in many Native American languages have been completely 're-invented' over the millenia or undergone extreme semantic change. In a South American language family that I am currently researching -- the words for dogs in these Native American languages corresponds to their word for jaguar. A dog obviously looks nothing like a jaguar, and yet these two animals are used nearly synonymously.
In other Native American languages, the word 'buffalo' might mean 'human' and in another language buffalo, dog, and horse may all derive from the same root.
There are countless examples throughout many world languages that show extreme variation from what a term is supposed to mean, as opposed to what it actually does mean. A deer could actually mean a goat in or both in Semitic (Hebrew/Arabic) languages......so it is absolutely no stretch that when the Book of Mormon mentions 'horses' or many other animal names that supposedly existed in the New World......they could mean something completely different, instead -- something that only very vaguely looks like a horse, etc...
It would be interesting to see what Llama & Alpaca would be. That is what I believe would be the Curelom & Cummim
"What does cement have to do with the Book of Mormon"
Once AGAIN proving your ignorance!
omiolo. they found cement buried under sea water on oak island with water lines hanging out of it. where did that come from. its undocumented. cement. where it should not have been.
Do your homework, Joseph smith is a fake!!!!
You're fake. What is that supposed to mean?