Just to be clear. I go to historical sites to learn what the site can teach me. I get all my information from historical markers at the site. If there are people around for me to talk to,I do that as well. If there are inaccuracies, then they come from the historical markers. If it is a site that I know something about or a topic that I know something about, then I will add in what knowledge I have. Unfortunately, this site I have zero knowledge of and have to rely on the historical markers and information that are given at the kiosks. If there is something in accurate, please share that with us, but I understand that I am not giving you in accuracies on purpose.
In 1808 the Osage signed the Fort Osage treaty which gave the US 50,000 square miles of land which was almost all of Missouri. Governor Lewis and general Clark told them if they wanted to sale furs they had to live by ft. Osage. This is why they moved. Just a few years later the real first reservation was formed and was the osage. The “office “ what’s in a settlement called Bentonvill Missouri (no longer there) on the northern border and it stretched down into Arkansas. The eastern border was roughly Camdenton Missouri and the west was in now Kansas. In 1820 they were forced to break up and move. In 1821 Missouri became a state. My family didn’t move in the 1820 force. Hope this answers your questions or some at least.
Thanks for sharing. I believe there we Osage Indians that live here in Hickory County. Just now trying to dig into any history I can find, I do have “Indian mounds” along the creeks and grandpa would always find arrows heads. Thank you for sharing your information and video!
The U.S. lifted 'protection' for the Osage (protection offered with Chouteau's contact, business partnership, and influence withSpanish Gvernors). The Osage had forcibly removed competition from hunting grounds. By lifting protection the U.S. government signalled to other tribes like the Ioway that open warfare could take place with the Osage and was now allowed. The Osage now had to compete with White settlers, intruding Cherokee, Shawnee emigres, and hostilities within the now split tribes. They were no longer able to fight all comers and retreated to Kansas as survival. The two main factions of Grand and Petite Osage had added the Arkansas Osage and by 1808 there were further divisions within these groups. The social order that was based previously matrilineally was also changed.
That's actual deep knowledge. Here at one time the Osage dominated a 4 state area contained only by natural barriers really and they were one of the first tribes to actually beat the Spanish but we here almost nothing about them from Hollywood.
Thank you for being respectful in your interest for my ancestors. They moved like all tribes that left behind their beloved areas did- They were forced out by encroaching hostile European settlers.
A little note as a Wichita resident my first home purchase had a legal abstract (deed) running all the way back to the Osage as first owners. Can’t exactly remember the dates, but it was somewhere in 1861 when Kansas became a state.
I've got a 1000 year old mississippian site around my families land we were told is a shrine to there underworld God, its a big bluff with a bunch of paintings and I made a video showing it on my channel if anyone wants to see
@@JulianGower I understand. Different tribe languages can be as confusing as learning Hawaiian. I grew up in Pawhuska, ok with the Osage so I know their language. I’m so glad you covered their tribe. I’m part Shawnee, but sympathize with their tribe growing up with them & learning about the reign of terror. Thank you so much for respecting & valuing their culture. 🤘🏼
I think they moved because of the deal they made where everybody had to move west of Sibley Missouri. If you can find what I'm talking about I'll bet the dates lineup
some of the information you are sharing need to be checked. as an example there were 24 total clans not 15. There are more errors but i would strongly suggest doing a little more research.
I get all of my information from the historical markers at each site I go to. That’s what I do on this channel - go to historical sites to learn what the site can teach me. No googling no reading books just what the site can teach me. If there are inaccuracies, then those markers are not correct. I have found that a lot with historical markers, that they like to sensationalize or not completely tell the whole story. It is unfortunate.
Hi, interesteing content, very nicely done.I was wondering though , since you have an interest in the Osage people, have you ever been out side of Verona Missouri, as what we know as "the Spanish Fort"? I been there years before The University bought it, and closed it off. At least the fort area. However I know from word of mouth from older farmers, who are past on by now, that there are more to this area than the University might have known, for instance the fort set's up on a hill, which is now a cemetary, but any case the fort sets on a hill, it was for protection, whils the rest of the tribe was down in the valley, off to the left, I couldn't say if the University knew, or if they ever discovered it, I have seem some area's that looked to me that peoplw could have stayed there maybe for a winter, but The Osage were a nomadic tribe, constantly on the move.
Macon ga has mounds that you can go through also fort Hawkins is 1/4 to 1/2 mile away. There's only 1 block house but they are trying to raise funds for land and building fund to rebuild this park is little omulgee state park
I don’t understand why anyone would want to dig up a burial mound. I know it is greed, but that greed leads to the elimination of Missouri’s early Osage history.
Note that the Osage left that hilltop village shortly after meeting French traders there, so their reason for leaving was probably illness related. Europeans were more immune to smallpox, for instance, than the Indians were, so the French could have brought the disease with them as some point, devastating the village population. After so many deaths, they probably burned their longhouses and vacated the area. Did the archeology done there note any evidence of significant burning at that time? Another possibility is that a wildfire swept through.
Thank you for that information. I really appreciate it. I didn’t see any information there about them burning their houses. It makes perfect sense though.
My Great Grandmother was Osage from Kansas and married a White man who was my Great Grandfather. When I met her when I was young,I remember her. She was about 5 feet and had hair down to her rear end and was it was mixed with white streaks . She would sit in her chair and talk to us about the days when she was young girl. Never forgot her. We called her Ninny.
All the information in the video came from the site itself. I go to historical sites that I know nothing about and I learn from the information I can find there. So everything I said in this video came from the historical markers found at the site. I do realize that a lot of historical sites do not give accurate information, or it’s out of date, or glossed over! If there was something inaccurate there please let us know, because that’s what we’re here for, we’re here to learn. And if you have a better understanding of the Osage during this time please share with us. Let us know what was in accurate here at this site for our better understanding.
@@JulianGower I should not have been snippy. But we Osages still believe in Wah-Kon-Ta, Times and details vary, but we remain Osage. Just not any living in those old towns now. But we like visiting on our way back and forth from Oklahoma. And glad to see sites kept up nicely, and that other Americans care for these places, too.
Humans often simplify things to generalizations in an effort to understand things that are too complex to visualize as a big picture. That’s kind of a requirement when you are talking about groups and cultures that involve multiple individuals. No two people are going to see eye on everything.
@@FreedomToRoam86 I was wondering if you could clue me on something. My great great grandmother was said to be a full blooded Osage named Mary and she actually owned a TP. Im also from Missouri so I have always had a thing for the Osage. My personal favorite tribe. Everything I've read from the 1700 and 1800s always talks about how tall Osage were and I did notice on a video about the Osage language on wild chief was a big man but it's always seemed Osage are not very tall now. Are the old stories exaggerating or are some osage still tall people?
Fascinating to say the least, if we could time travel I would love to go back in time and spend a month with a peaceful tribe.., just my two cents worth, but it wasn't uncommon for clans/ tribe's to relocate when the resources were exhausted.., 3000 people is a lot of mouths to feed, that's a lot of protein that has to be hunted.,.
if the weather back then in Southern Missouri was like what it is now then they had terrible storms w/tornados to deal with constantly...especially between the Joplin and Springfield area...follow that line all the way to St. Louis is a major tornado highway all along I-44...one tornado would've probably easily taken out their village and if large enough, probably would've killed most of the people as well...if that happened then i'd move too
Study this tribe and how they fed themselves and you will be very very surprised. They dominated a 4 state Area and between farming their own food, regular summer hunts and regular local hunts they were just like any European town. 100 percent self sustaining. They weren't hunter gathers they did it all and they had really cool ways of preserving food. A book called THE OSAGES is the closest thing to a time machine you will probably ever get. Written by and about the osage it starts here in Missouri at that spot before the Spanish conquistadors came and unlike south American and central American Indians they decimated the Spanish, tolerated the French sent the British packing and held off Americans until to many other Indian tribes and disease took their toll. It's amazing book and im actually going back for a 3rd time. The Osage were actually the most powerful tribe in the Americas for awhile contained only by natural barriers but yet Hollywood forgot about them.
@@darrellboggess4954 They did deal with them all the time. They didn't stay in puny houses they got down in holes and ditches and while out on the plains hunting buffalo they got off the horses and laid as low to the ground as possible. It was a way of life they learned how to deal with in their own ways.
Just to be clear. I go to historical sites to learn what the site can teach me. I get all my information from historical markers at the site. If there are people around for me to talk to,I do that as well. If there are inaccuracies, then they come from the historical markers. If it is a site that I know something about or a topic that I know something about, then I will add in what knowledge I have. Unfortunately, this site I have zero knowledge of and have to rely on the historical markers and information that are given at the kiosks. If there is something in accurate, please share that with us, but I understand that I am not giving you in accuracies on purpose.
I am happy to see your channel.
Great info..thank you ..
In 1808 the Osage signed the Fort Osage treaty which gave the US 50,000 square miles of land which was almost all of Missouri. Governor Lewis and general Clark told them if they wanted to sale furs they had to live by ft. Osage. This is why they moved. Just a few years later the real first reservation was formed and was the osage. The “office “ what’s in a settlement called Bentonvill Missouri (no longer there) on the northern border and it stretched down into Arkansas. The eastern border was roughly Camdenton Missouri and the west was in now Kansas. In 1820 they were forced to break up and move. In 1821 Missouri became a state. My family didn’t move in the 1820 force. Hope this answers your questions or some at least.
Thanks for sharing. I believe there we Osage Indians that live here in Hickory County. Just now trying to dig into any history I can find, I do have “Indian mounds” along the creeks and grandpa would always find arrows heads.
Thank you for sharing your information and video!
The U.S. lifted 'protection' for the Osage (protection offered with Chouteau's contact, business partnership, and influence withSpanish Gvernors). The Osage had forcibly removed competition from hunting grounds. By lifting protection the U.S. government signalled to other tribes like the Ioway that open warfare could take place with the Osage and was now allowed. The Osage now had to compete with White settlers, intruding Cherokee, Shawnee emigres, and hostilities within the now split tribes. They were no longer able to fight all comers and retreated to Kansas as survival. The two main factions of Grand and Petite Osage had added the Arkansas Osage and by 1808 there were further divisions within these groups. The social order that was based previously matrilineally was also changed.
Thank you very much for that information. I really appreciate you sharing that with us all!
That's actual deep knowledge.
Here at one time the Osage dominated a 4 state area contained only by natural barriers really and they were one of the first tribes to actually beat the Spanish but we here almost nothing about them from Hollywood.
I admire how americans preserve their history through museums, thanks for the video from México ❤
Automatic subscribe. I love your humility and curiosity.
Nice video,thank you for the education on my tribe!
very enjoyable. learned a lot.
Thank you for being respectful in your interest for my ancestors. They moved like all tribes that left behind their beloved areas did- They were forced out by encroaching hostile European settlers.
They were forced out of their homelands into smaller and smaller reservations. It’s a travesty that we should never forget.
@@JulianGower I appreciate your caring heart.
They were also forced out by the Cherokee and a couple of other tribes.
@@scottswan7830 its only bad when white people do it apparently -_-
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The Osage had no choice but to move. The answer to your question would be in the treaties between the Osage and the government.
They didn’t move. They were moved.
Very very true!
A hundred years later if you want to be correct.
You betcha they were
@@williambrandondavis6897you're correct, the bottom didn't fallout of it for he natives untill late 1860-80..…
Exactly
Many American Indian tribes disappeared due to diseases. The Osage are probably in the same category.
I suspect during the “Civil War”, the part of MO., known as “The Burnt District “.
Was MUCH larger than we are told
A little note as a Wichita resident my first home purchase had a legal abstract (deed) running all the way back to the Osage as first owners. Can’t exactly remember the dates, but it was somewhere in 1861 when Kansas became a state.
I've got a 1000 year old mississippian site around my families land we were told is a shrine to there underworld God, its a big bluff with a bunch of paintings and I made a video showing it on my channel if anyone wants to see
Can you leave a link to the video? I’d love to see it!!!!
Watched your video, really cool stuff!
@@Nate-bn5kk thanks man
How would I watch it?
They were probably what is now the Grayhorse Osage the greatest of them all
Chief Pawhuska is pronounced Paw-husk-ah not paw-aska
Thank you for letting me know that. I really do try hard to pronounce everything properly. Thank you for letting me know! It’s much appreciated.
@@JulianGower I understand. Different tribe languages can be as confusing as learning Hawaiian. I grew up in Pawhuska, ok with the Osage so I know their language. I’m so glad you covered their tribe. I’m part Shawnee, but sympathize with their tribe growing up with them & learning about the reign of terror. Thank you so much for respecting & valuing their culture. 🤘🏼
I think they moved because of the deal they made where everybody had to move west of Sibley Missouri. If you can find what I'm talking about I'll bet the dates lineup
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It wasn't the women who built the lodges. It was the men. The women planted.
some of the information you are sharing need to be checked. as an example there were 24 total clans not 15. There are more errors but i would strongly suggest doing a little more research.
I get all of my information from the historical markers at each site I go to. That’s what I do on this channel - go to historical sites to learn what the site can teach me. No googling no reading books just what the site can teach me. If there are inaccuracies, then those markers are not correct. I have found that a lot with historical markers, that they like to sensationalize or not completely tell the whole story. It is unfortunate.
right. guess she didn't pay attention.
We ran them off their land
Indigenous Native Americans were swarthy tawny dark skin people. Not pale skin people as in these false pictographs paintings.
Hi, interesteing content, very nicely done.I was wondering though , since you have an interest in the Osage people, have you ever been out side of Verona Missouri, as what we know as "the Spanish Fort"? I been there years before The University bought it, and closed it off. At least the fort area. However I know from word of mouth from older farmers, who are past on by now, that there are more to this area than the University might have known, for instance the fort set's up on a hill, which is now a cemetary, but any case the fort sets on a hill, it was for protection, whils the rest of the tribe was down in the valley, off to the left, I couldn't say if the University knew, or if they ever discovered it, I have seem some area's that looked to me that peoplw could have stayed there maybe for a winter, but The Osage were a nomadic tribe, constantly on the move.
Macon ga has mounds that you can go through also fort Hawkins is 1/4 to 1/2 mile away. There's only 1 block house but they are trying to raise funds for land and building fund to rebuild this park is little omulgee state park
My people call it corn.
I don’t understand why anyone would want to dig up a burial mound. I know it is greed, but that greed leads to the elimination of Missouri’s early Osage history.
Probably a stronger tribe may have been able to force them off their land
Note that the Osage left that hilltop village shortly after meeting French traders there, so their reason for leaving was probably illness related. Europeans were more immune to smallpox, for instance, than the Indians were, so the French could have brought the disease with them as some point, devastating the village population. After so many deaths, they probably burned their longhouses and vacated the area. Did the archeology done there note any evidence of significant burning at that time? Another possibility is that a wildfire swept through.
Thank you for that information. I really appreciate it. I didn’t see any information there about them burning their houses. It makes perfect sense though.
My Great Grandmother was Osage from Kansas and married a White man who was my Great Grandfather. When I met her when I was young,I remember her. She was about 5 feet and had hair down to her rear end and was it was mixed with white streaks . She would sit in her chair and talk to us about the days when she was young girl. Never forgot her. We called her Ninny.
Thank you so much for sharing that with us.
Archeologist....grave robber
Interesting to hear what we “believed”. Kind of like Americans “believed” in God? But overall good video.
All the information in the video came from the site itself. I go to historical sites that I know nothing about and I learn from the information I can find there. So everything I said in this video came from the historical markers found at the site. I do realize that a lot of historical sites do not give accurate information, or it’s out of date, or glossed over! If there was something inaccurate there please let us know, because that’s what we’re here for, we’re here to learn. And if you have a better understanding of the Osage during this time please share with us. Let us know what was in accurate here at this site for our better understanding.
@@JulianGower I should not have been snippy. But we Osages still believe in Wah-Kon-Ta, Times and details vary, but we remain Osage. Just not any living in those old towns now. But we like visiting on our way back and forth from Oklahoma. And glad to see sites kept up nicely, and that other Americans care for these places, too.
Humans often simplify things to generalizations in an effort to understand things that are too complex to visualize as a big picture. That’s kind of a requirement when you are talking about groups and cultures that involve multiple individuals. No two people are going to see eye on everything.
@@FreedomToRoam86 I was wondering if you could clue me on something.
My great great grandmother was said to be a full blooded Osage named Mary and she actually owned a TP. Im also from Missouri so I have always had a thing for the Osage. My personal favorite tribe.
Everything I've read from the 1700 and 1800s always talks about how tall Osage were and I did notice on a video about the Osage language on wild chief was a big man but it's always seemed Osage are not very tall now.
Are the old stories exaggerating or are some osage still tall people?
Fascinating to say the least, if we could time travel I would love to go back in time and spend a month with a peaceful tribe.., just my two cents worth, but it wasn't uncommon for clans/ tribe's to relocate when the resources were exhausted.., 3000 people is a lot of mouths to feed, that's a lot of protein that has to be hunted.,.
if the weather back then in Southern Missouri was like what it is now then they had terrible storms w/tornados to deal with constantly...especially between the Joplin and Springfield area...follow that line all the way to St. Louis is a major tornado highway all along I-44...one tornado would've probably easily taken out their village and if large enough, probably would've killed most of the people as well...if that happened then i'd move too
Study this tribe and how they fed themselves and you will be very very surprised.
They dominated a 4 state Area and between farming their own food, regular summer hunts and regular local hunts they were just like any European town. 100 percent self sustaining.
They weren't hunter gathers they did it all and they had really cool ways of preserving food.
A book called THE OSAGES is the closest thing to a time machine you will probably ever get.
Written by and about the osage it starts here in Missouri at that spot before the Spanish conquistadors came and unlike south American and central American Indians they decimated the Spanish, tolerated the French sent the British packing and held off Americans until to many other Indian tribes and disease took their toll. It's amazing book and im actually going back for a 3rd time.
The Osage were actually the most powerful tribe in the Americas for awhile contained only by natural barriers but yet Hollywood forgot about them.
@@darrellboggess4954 They did deal with them all the time. They didn't stay in puny houses they got down in holes and ditches and while out on the plains hunting buffalo they got off the horses and laid as low to the ground as possible. It was a way of life they learned how to deal with in their own ways.