Chelsea's closing comments truly had me ugly crying in a parking lot lmao. I love y'all, thank you for understanding how empathetic the horror genre (and community) really is. You are 100% right James, Chelsea is brilliant
I really like Chelsea's comments about how a sad movie like this can be life affirming. In his thoughts of feeling like his only option is to kill himself, he feels completely lacking value and maybe unoriginal and useless, but as an audience we become part of the narrative, we are the ones who are seeing his worth and caring about him. It's both heartbreaking and affirming knowing that there are always people in our lives that will be affected if our presence is gone, that we can't see or don't realize because of mental illness. In this case, we are those people, mourning his loss. That's beautiful.
Everyone saying all this about "I thought James was ending his channel" and not realising...that Chelsea does the podcast? Like, I'm gonna be honest, for me Chelsea MAKES this podcast. Their chemistry is great but the amount of research, commitment, and creativity Chelsea brings is what I come here for every week.
I am so ANNOYED by these comments tbh. The podcast is 1. an integral part of this channel and 2. just as (or even more than, for some) enjoyable as the kill counts! And it takes a lot of work for both series but Chelsea is rarely credited for or even acknowledged by some people on here! And they usually announce major channel changes on multiple platforms and even stand alone vids, not the podcast. Im just fed up when I scroll the comments to see what other people think of the movie they’re reviewing and it’s all dumb comments by people who don’t watch the podcast or come on here to insult it if it’s not the kill count :/
I agree, but sometimes it can feel overbearing. James oftentimes abandons his points about certain aspects of the money because Chelsea disagrees. Not saying this is a common occurrence, very rare, but sometimes it feels like James does not get to properly articulate points and arguments.
@@imthebestmayne122 I think part of it is that Chelsea is the one that plans what the subject and content of the podcast will be - and that’s because the kill counts/favorite horror movie series is James’ baby and this podcast is Chelsea’s. So she’ll have points about it already made that she wants to cover while James will only have the first viewing/note taking experience. James never seems to mind though and I love this podcast bc this is how I talk to my s/o when I’m excited about a movie I love lol. Just my 2 cents tho, James is always so grateful and lovely towards Chelsea so I just don’t see the dynamic of one or the other dominating parts of this channel.
It is very annoying because i's so kneejerk. I am still at a loss to why people think knee jerk responses are worth posting. We all guilty of having a bit of daft first reaction but its not worth proclaiming to the world. Its also not so nice for James and Chelsea because it shows we don't pay attention. He would he way more candid than that. As he has been with the wedding and when he needed a break. What a great audience we show ourselves to be. SMH.
@@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 yeah I used to keep up with her Twitter for the podcast all the time but I don’t use Twitter much anymore. So either she announces it in the prior podcast or it’s a surprise.
This was such a moving episode. I agree with James that Chelsea's passion for the humanity in the story is infectious. I wasn't a big fan of the film despite still thinking it was good, but I really appreciated this conversation.
I believe there are multiple types of horror, not just jump scares and gore and unsettlement, but heart break and loneliness and suicidal thoughts are legit horrific especially if you have gone through those things. I think horror is a lot larger in a sense then most people see and understand, so when the argument comes up about this movie being horror or not, I do think it depends on how you view horror and what you as an individual have actually gone through. If you don't understand what's going on, or if you have never been where the character is in his own mind, then I can totally understand why people would view this as not horror. But when you have been through similar things, or when you do understand how this character is feeling and what thoughts are running through his head, you can really tell how much of a horror this movie, and this concept, could be. But it really does depend I believe. So, its understandable to believe this is not a horror, and its also understandable to believe this is a horror, and I don't think there is a correct answer to whether it is or isn't. Btw love your podcast ❤
@@amfx4 Thanks, I see they did mention it. It’s odd tho, as they refer to her as Lucy earlier in the video. When that’s just her original name and is as useless as all the other names.
The conversation about the basement is so heartbreaking. He talks about how it is only used as a washer/dryer (like a janitor) and how he hates it. Then she jokes about being warned of creepy basements (creepy people and especially creepy janitors) and the fact that its all dialogue in Jake’s head. I hate the pretension the first time I watched this but the second time I was able to look past it because every single line of dialogue serves a purpose. It’s beautifully crafted
this movie was so weird but i HIGHLY recommend the book! it feels like a different experience and it is one of the few books that actually scared me. if you do want to LISTEN TO THE AUDIOBOOK!
Aw James and Chelsea at the end of this podcast is so sweet. He hit the nail on the head, she sold this movie and really boiled it down to the essence of what it was. Very human.
Hiya Chelsea and James - Don't know if someone already commented this, but I just thought I'd quickly mention that the janitor didn't actually have an apartment. As the movie starts, he was actually looking out the window of his parents house, down into the beginning of the "daydream" we watch play out. In the beginning, as the janitor is kind of rambling around, eating his cereal, rinsing the bowl, preparing for another day that blends into another and into another.... We notice he still lives in his parents house. He never left home. He cared for both his parents, (mentioning "No one ever notices the good things you do" later in the film) sacrificing his own life, partially for them, but also because of his intense anxieties and insecurities of not being good enough. He never gave life a chance because he was too afraid of life's rejections. (We also see him leave the house, and get into his truck to head to work. That's when he's beginning to "daydream" the car ride we watch play out. There's a cool part where younger Jake reaches for the radio, and we see older Jake's hand change the dial.) So, on the day he's "thinking of ending things", he's thinking back on how things could have played out different, if only he'd made different choices; if he'd taken a chance on life. Also, "the woman"'s name, on the caller ID keeps changing, cuz the janitor never learned the girls name that he was too self conscious to approach. So, in his "daydream", the woman's name just keeps changing. Also, younger Jake mentions to the woman the dog being all wet. I think that's why we only see the dog shaking dry, cuz that's the only clear image older Jake has of the dog. (Just all my opinions.) I preferred the book, but I loved this movie as well. It hit me like a TON of bricks, right in the chest. I'm agoraphobic (going on 5 years) and this movie has made me take a good, hard look at my life, and ask myself "Do I wanna end up losing all hope, like Jake." The answer is no. So I started online therapy a few weeks ago. ☺ Thanks for another amazing podcast, guys! (And Chelsea, ya got me misty eyed at the end. Thanks for being the extremely sensitive, empathetic soul that you are.) I've watched them all, and I adore and support you both. Congratulations on your upcoming wedding!!! Much light and love. (Ok, I'll go back to lurking now, lol) ✌
@@darinkenmore8325 Congratulations on reclaiming your life, my friend. That's amazing to hear! And thank you for your kind, understanding words. I begin exposure therapy in two weeks, so I'm excited/nervous. ☺ Much appreciation to you for this increadably encouraging comment. Thank you, sincerely.
@@LOng-zp3dv Thank you for thoughtfully commenting, and gently reminding me (and anyone else who happens to read this) that it's perfectly normal/healthy to reach out for assistance. Thank you for clearly stating this important fact. Much appreciation to you, as well. ✌☺
1:28:34 is the moment that the moment that I had to pause to cry my eyes out. I've dealt with, and still deal with intense suicidal thoughts. I thought I was ok until Chelsea started saying what she could see about Jake that he couldn't and her words were almost identical to things friends have told me to stop me from ending it. It was the moment when it went from a story I could understand to a story I'd so nearly lived and it hit me so hard.
The Janitor at my High School was a legend. Bruce had a sense of humor and loved just checking in to see how we were doing. He was a caring adult who had ZERO responsibility to be as much of a positive and supportive presence as he was. This conversation really got to me.
This is the only podcast I can listen to I just love it. The amount of work Chelsea has put into this is insane and I am forever thankful for the 129 episodes out now and for any more in the future. I hope they can continue doing more games, in-depth dives, and just goofing around to have fun. If you only watch this channel for the kill count you are simply missing out. The remakes episode is what hooked me and I will continue to listen as long as these are released. Thank you Chelsea and James for all the hard work I and many others are truly grateful.
Hi, I just wanted to say thank you to Chelsea for what she said at the end of the podcast. As someone who really related to the character of Jake, despite being a young women, what you said was really meaningful and beautiful. I live alone and have been having quite a hard week so far and this podcast was really uplifting for me. I watch the podcast everywhere while I work and I love that amount of effort Chelsea puts into them. So thank you 🙂
I know Jessie Buckley’s family and went to the same school as her. So incredibly proud of her success! Thank you for doing this movie! My worlds are colliding!
Never thought a Dead Meat podcast could make me cry but I was wrong. Chelsea is amazing and those closing comments were perfect. The way James loves Chelsea is beautiful too. Best podcast ever!
I instantly thought of the film too. I watched with my parents, and we debated for an hour after we finished about what this film actually meant. It was soooooo good, and I loved it 😁.
I had some thing happened that’s never happened with any other movie that I watched. I was watching and I was thinking the whole time “This is so odd. I don’t get what’s going on exactly but it’s great.” When I finally realized what the “twist” was and when it clicked in my head fully I started to sob uncontrollably. Like the second it all made sense to me I started to break down. This movie is 10/10.
I dont know if I'm alone in thinking this but. While hearing about this movie over the course of this podcast I kinda got a little down. It hits in some places. It's the kind of movie that makes you question yourself. But the ending bit of this podcast legitimately made me smile. You guys are so incredibly wholesome and kind and it's the reason I watch every video apart from the superb entertainment. Be good people!
I love the movie reviews in just about every way. Whether I've seen the movie, go watch it for the 1st time before I listen, or just want to hear a breakdown if I don't seem interested. I googled this movie and went "meh, not for me." But of course, I was gonna listen regardless cuz I would still enjoy it. I didn't think twice about the content warning. I thought at the end of this, I would feel how James initially did, especially the way it was described in the first 10 mins or so. But then, holy hell, I just wasn't prepared. This hit home in SO MANY WAYS. I feel like Jake all the time. And I do this hypothetical shit in my head all the time. As sad as this made me feel, because I see so many paths of ending up like that in life, it's still a moment of self realization. There's still so much life to live, choices to make and paths to explore. It's kind of a wake up call to stop being scared of life. Jake is a charachter that has never felt love. He has a natural vulenrablititly defense mechanism which prevents him from letting someone love him. This was such a beautiful episode, both of you as always did fantastic. But Chelsea especially right here just, wow, incredible. So thank you for that. I am actually a little terrified to watch this, it's scary because it's relatable, so maybe to me, this would actually be horror. BUT, I think I do have an interesting rule. The 3 genre rule. If you logically consider a film 3 genres other than horror before it, it's not universally a horror movie. Won't lie, I go back and forth on being genre strict 😂
@@2bemyownman200 I might go with something like "this movie is kind of a mind fuck, you'll probably be confused and you're supposed to be. But trust me, it's an amazing experience" certain films are designed for the audience to not be informed. But these can be the amazing type of art you go back to multiple times. Like the movie "Mr. Nobody"
This movie came out at a time where I was having a lot of the same invasive thoughts of suicide that the janitor constantly says over the phone, it was a really cathartic and haunting experience for me and was definitely my favourite movie of 2020. It was part of what made me go and finally get therapy
As a person with anxiety and depression, I assumed this movie was about suicide. I have a hard time watching movies that hit a little too real and too close to home like I suspect this movie does, but I think a podcast should be fine? An atmosphere of dread is almost a constant for me, but you two always make it more fun.
the last 20 seconds of this podcast are so heartwarming!! I couldn't agree more with James that Chelsea's sheer passion for this movie is singularly the best endorsement of it I have seen. You two are the best. ;__;
I don't mind if the podcast doesn't focus on horror sometimes. I watch Kill Counts for the personality and analysis more than anything else. Anyone can cut together a bunch of blood and gore but there's a reason Kill Counts are so popular, and that is the writing and analysis.
I feel like the only reason I classified this movie as horror was because it TERRIFIED me and I loved it so so much and therefore wanted to classify it as horror. But hearing this podcast and analysing it further confirms to me that it isn’t actually horror, but just a beautiful and tragic artistic movie. Thanks guys!
I still consider it horror since the fear of getting old and being alone is just something that's very real and actually scary. I think horror is best when it's also tragic and validates the emotional side.
Podcasts are my favorite part of Dead Meat and I appreciate all the work you put into each one Chelsea! Going to watch the film before I finish the podcast but just wanted to spread some love your way for all the hard work you put into the podcasts!
This episode was deeply touching. My father was a custodian for most of his life and he passed away recently. I actually worked as a school custodian for a while after his passing and I feel that it brought me closer to him spiritually. Leaving that job was a bit sad for me because the other custodians loved having me on the team. They were genuinely great people that perhaps didn’t get a lot of respect due to their professions. I hope everyone that watches this video gains more respect for those with less desirable careers such as custodians. I can say from first-hand experience that many of them do lack self-confidence and they are some of the hardest working people you will ever run across. That job absolutely helped me become a better person.
I had skipped this episode for the content at the time. Swinging back, it's such a prime example of how great this podcast is. Also, Chelsea ending by asking James how he felt and he was so overwhelmed with his love for her he had to express that more than his changing approach to the movie. I melted into a puddle it was so adorable.
There are three actors from “Fargo” in the movie Jesse plemons was in Fargo season 2 David thewlis was in Fargo season 3 And Jessie Buckley was in Fargo season 4
four actually. Oliver Platt was the voice of the Pig. (He played Stavros the supermarket king in the first season of Fargo) so there is an actor from every season of the show.
I think its amazing how they got across the confusion and pain of dementia onset in old age and the fallibility of the human imagination. And he was alone, there was no one to catch it getting worse
I was listening to this in the laundromat, and felt myself losing it. Then I got to my apartment and sat on the floor sobbing when I listened to the last few minutes again
Wow I actually teared up at the final statement from Chelsea. It was a beautiful way to think of my own worth. Love you guys! You really have changed my life and outlook and knowledge in so many ways throughout the years.
I didn't go into this episode thinking I would need it as much as I did. I've always felt like I'd love to just sit down and talk to James and Chelsea about horror movies, but what Chelsea said at the end of this episode spoke to me so deeply. Thanks for the amazing commentary, guys.
This was one of the scariest movies I've ever seen because I'm well on my way to being Jake. I'm nearly thirty and have no friends, never had a romantic relationship, and have no aspirations. My only relationships are with my brother, parents, and grandparents. I know it's just a matter of time before they die or move away and I'm left alone.
I’m sad that I’m almost done listening to all these podcasts. Chelsea does such an incredible job and I’ll certainly re-listen to them all. Life is rough right now and this movie left me with an ache in my chest, but their affirmation in Jake’s worth is uplifting
Chelsea you just made me care deeply about a movie I just had the same experience as James with. I think your empathy and message shows a lot about who you are, your thoughts were just lovely and moving 💛🌙🌟✨
Just here to drop some love for Chelsea and all the hard work she does to create this interesting and informative podcast for us. You don't get enough credit for all that you do.
Chelsea, I don't know if you read all these comments but your words at the end really spoke to me. I've never felt the things I'm passionate about are important to anyone else I know and by extension that I'm not important or not worth spending time with or having people explore those with me. And what you said really truly rang deeper than the platitudes both referenced in the film and that I've seen countless others use. You are deeply emotionally intelligent and I admire that. My dream is to filmmake and hopefully one day I'll make a horror film so good you guys will do a KC/Podcast on it. Much love to you both, you have quickly become my favorite channel on all of TH-cam :)
As someone who has dealt with a lot of the sensitive nature of this movie quite young I really appreciate your message at the end Chelsea. It hit my heart pretty hard haha Continue to be good people and thanks for all that you and James bring into my lil corner of the world ((:
"The floor squeaks, The door squeaks, There's a field mouse a-nibblin' on a broom. And I set by myself, Like a cobweb on a shelf, By myself in a lonely room." -- "Lonely Room", 'Oklahoma!' (I've always been rather partial to the character of Jud, creepy though he is. I'll definitely check the film out, and maybe the book too.)
I've always struggled with watching movies like I'm Thinking of Ending Things because it makes me my chest ache so terribly. There are even reality shows that I can't stand to watch because it makes me feel so sad and helpless that there are people like Jake that are struggling and feel so alone. I don't think I could have watched this movie without being genuinely emotionally fucked up for days after. But I am so glad I made it through this video. I love this podcast, and I greatly value and appreciate the thought, effort, and concern that you put into it helping people think about (horror) movies beyond typical consumption. Because of this episode, I was able to appreciate a movie that I don't think I'd have been able to watch. I will be able to talk about it with others, and point them in your direction if they had a hard time understanding the plot/point like James did. I love this podcast's ability to educate and explore movies in ways that some channels are lacking. You two are amazing.
James and Chelsea’s relationship seems so healthy and it inspires me😭 obviously no relationship is perfect, but man you can tell they love each other !! Best channel by the best people.
Kinda think any movie that intentionally builds a sense of dread in it's audience can be considered a horror movie (mother, the lighthouse, I'm thinking of ending things). Guess it's a matter of opinion though. Edit: Beautiful outro Chelsea, thank you.
I loved this film and I loved how much Chelsea extrapolated this film in this format. I am very much a Charlie Kaufman fan, and I think the concepts he finds scary and frightening are something universal to a lot of us as people: what our lives mean to ourselves, to other people, being lonely, dying alone, what we leave behind, leading a happy life, consuming so much media and other interests that we don’t have a grasp at our own identity. A whole plethora of existential crap that (at least for me) plagues us on a daily basis. This film is such a stark examination at the fear that keeps us from living our true potential. The anxieties of connecting to other people in fear of embarrassment or feeling invalidated, not feeling original in our thoughts or opinions, and even being content with our achievements in this life. Kaufman is such a master at visualizing those abstract concepts and ideas into a medium that is impressive to watch with the way he directs actors and creates atmosphere. I love this episode. One of my favorite podcast episodes to date.
Picked this at random since I missed a few podcast episodes. But, by far, the best thing I could have listened to on Valentines's Day. Not just becuz of the adorable lovey-dovey ending. Also to remind myself how *not* alone I am this holiday.
I’m assuming that they originally titled this “I’m thinking of ending things” without the ‘review of’ by the way that everyone’s talking in the comments lol
Great episode Chelsea and James. Really brought up a lot of important perspectives, so thank you! And I agree with James that Chelsea is wonderful- she made this video so thoughtful and complete with her commentary. XO
I did not expect this episode and this movie to kick my ass so hard. Thank you James and Chelsea for that ending message. I cannot put into words how much I needed to hear that after listening to this episode
One thing that probably doesn’t help Jake’s constant reminder of death during the dinner scene knowing all the food is farm to table. He’s eating and looking at an animal that was raised just to die and has been all his life, constantly reminded of death and how lonely it is
I think is one of those action movies that feature some horror elements without being actually scary. Something like Resident Evil, Underworld and Zak Snyder's remake of Dawn of the Dead.
I agree with Chelsea's take away that there is a somewhat bittersweet and affirming element to the movie. When Jake recites the John Forbs Nash speech from A Beautiful Mind on stage at the end of the film, I believe that it is equating the value of Jake's life, a man who never really accomplished anything if you measure and never had anyone to be with or made any friends, to that of a Nobel prize winning mathematician whom shared a long and tumultuous loving marriage with his mathematician wife and was a game changer in economics. The same speech "It is only in the mysterious equations of love that any logical reasons can be found. I'm only here tonight because of you. You are the reason I am. You are all my reasons." If the young woman is a projection Jake created to love and care about him, but she is actually him, then she could represent the positive affirming things that he knows about himself. She could represent his self love. I know movies should stand on their own but as a Charlie Kaufman fan, this movie is much easier to get into if you have an idea of how Charlie Kaufman thinks. And by watching each of his movies you definitely get an idea of it, especially the ones he directed. I know the movies he directed are polarizing but I am left in awe of how he never wastes a second to communicate something.
I love movies like this, where it has deep themes that you have to think about to understand. Especially because after you do some research you can rewatch and catch all the clues/hints to the theme. I enjoyed this movie but I honestly took it as “oh the title suggests suicide but the movie is about a dead relationship” I’m still listening to the pod so I still don’t know exactly what gives away that it has suicide as a subject. But I’ll probably end up giving it a rewatch after I listen to this in full.
Chelsea‘s speech at the end was one of the most motivating things I‘ve ever heard and one of the most beautiful explanations why we all love horror. Thanks for that!!! You guys are incredible.
@@GatheringFirewood ill never gonna rewatch it, cos fuck me, after i realized what the movie was about i was so goddamn depressed that im not gonna put myself through that again 😐 movie in its own was great though.
@@phimau8104 i just relate to it in so many ways it is depressing but it is so reflective for me! i owe it so much i will never stop watching it. I’ve seen it about 8 times and get more out of it each time
For me, one of the big plot points of the book was The Caller and what exactly was the ''one question to answer''. At the end, when we finally discover the question, it felt like a REALLY strong moment.
Chelsie explaining the feeling going on James being supportive but still hates the movie I 👏love 👏these👏 two 👏 I am so glad i watched this before i go watch the movie, would totally have to rewatch with the background info, thank you guys!
I actually like that you two are split on this movie. It makes the commentary more honest. There's nothing wrong with agreeing on the same points for film making , plot points and giving it praise. But to have one love the film and the other not brings a bit more to the discussion
Chelsea's closing comments truly had me ugly crying in a parking lot lmao. I love y'all, thank you for understanding how empathetic the horror genre (and community) really is. You are 100% right James, Chelsea is brilliant
I really like Chelsea's comments about how a sad movie like this can be life affirming. In his thoughts of feeling like his only option is to kill himself, he feels completely lacking value and maybe unoriginal and useless, but as an audience we become part of the narrative, we are the ones who are seeing his worth and caring about him. It's both heartbreaking and affirming knowing that there are always people in our lives that will be affected if our presence is gone, that we can't see or don't realize because of mental illness. In this case, we are those people, mourning his loss. That's beautiful.
Everyone saying all this about "I thought James was ending his channel" and not realising...that Chelsea does the podcast? Like, I'm gonna be honest, for me Chelsea MAKES this podcast. Their chemistry is great but the amount of research, commitment, and creativity Chelsea brings is what I come here for every week.
I am so ANNOYED by these comments tbh. The podcast is 1. an integral part of this channel and 2. just as (or even more than, for some) enjoyable as the kill counts! And it takes a lot of work for both series but Chelsea is rarely credited for or even acknowledged by some people on here! And they usually announce major channel changes on multiple platforms and even stand alone vids, not the podcast. Im just fed up when I scroll the comments to see what other people think of the movie they’re reviewing and it’s all dumb comments by people who don’t watch the podcast or come on here to insult it if it’s not the kill count :/
I agree, but sometimes it can feel overbearing. James oftentimes abandons his points about certain aspects of the money because Chelsea disagrees. Not saying this is a common occurrence, very rare, but sometimes it feels like James does not get to properly articulate points and arguments.
@@imthebestmayne122 I think part of it is that Chelsea is the one that plans what the subject and content of the podcast will be - and that’s because the kill counts/favorite horror movie series is James’ baby and this podcast is Chelsea’s. So she’ll have points about it already made that she wants to cover while James will only have the first viewing/note taking experience. James never seems to mind though and I love this podcast bc this is how I talk to my s/o when I’m excited about a movie I love lol. Just my 2 cents tho, James is always so grateful and lovely towards Chelsea so I just don’t see the dynamic of one or the other dominating parts of this channel.
It is very annoying because i's so kneejerk. I am still at a loss to why people think knee jerk responses are worth posting. We all guilty of having a bit of daft first reaction but its not worth proclaiming to the world. Its also not so nice for James and Chelsea because it shows we don't pay attention. He would he way more candid than that. As he has been with the wedding and when he needed a break.
What a great audience we show ourselves to be. SMH.
@@bee-om2ry But actually most people I’d say at least 75%are here because how much they love the kill counts not the podcast
I am apparently one of the few who has already watched this movie and knew exactly what y’all were talking about in the title haha
If you follow Chelsea on Twitter you would've anticipated this podcast for a good two weeks.
ikr lmao. these ppl dont even like good horror lmao
I literally just watched this last night and im still mind fucked
@@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 yeah I used to keep up with her Twitter for the podcast all the time but I don’t use Twitter much anymore. So either she announces it in the prior podcast or it’s a surprise.
@@nickstigs9088 facts it seems like a lot of James’ subs are either super young or only into the super mainstream shit
The amount of terrified comments really show how many people love them and this channel.
That's a good way of looking at it!!
It also shows that loads of people don't know about this movie :o
I thought he was taking about the podcast and got sad
@@Nexils Or have really bad reading skills
This was such a moving episode. I agree with James that Chelsea's passion for the humanity in the story is infectious. I wasn't a big fan of the film despite still thinking it was good, but I really appreciated this conversation.
Chelsea stans where y'all at???
I believe there are multiple types of horror, not just jump scares and gore and unsettlement, but heart break and loneliness and suicidal thoughts are legit horrific especially if you have gone through those things. I think horror is a lot larger in a sense then most people see and understand, so when the argument comes up about this movie being horror or not, I do think it depends on how you view horror and what you as an individual have actually gone through.
If you don't understand what's going on, or if you have never been where the character is in his own mind, then I can totally understand why people would view this as not horror. But when you have been through similar things, or when you do understand how this character is feeling and what thoughts are running through his head, you can really tell how much of a horror this movie, and this concept, could be. But it really does depend I believe.
So, its understandable to believe this is not a horror, and its also understandable to believe this is a horror, and I don't think there is a correct answer to whether it is or isn't.
Btw love your podcast ❤
Completely agree with you on that one
I’m surprised you guys never talked about the fact she was referred to multiple names throughout the movie. Lucy, Louisa, Lucia, and Ames.
They don't matter. She isn't real.
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Interesting seeing as in the book she is never given a name at all
@@amfx4
Thanks, I see they did mention it. It’s odd tho, as they refer to her as Lucy earlier in the video. When that’s just her original name and is as useless as all the other names.
@@taylorzen1 that's very rude, and has nothing to do with my comment.
The conversation about the basement is so heartbreaking. He talks about how it is only used as a washer/dryer (like a janitor) and how he hates it. Then she jokes about being warned of creepy basements (creepy people and especially creepy janitors) and the fact that its all dialogue in Jake’s head. I hate the pretension the first time I watched this but the second time I was able to look past it because every single line of dialogue serves a purpose. It’s beautifully crafted
James' lovely praise of Chelsea at the end had me in my feels!! "Your humanity and love for this depiction of humanity is infectious"
this movie was so weird but i HIGHLY recommend the book! it feels like a different experience and it is one of the few books that actually scared me. if you do want to LISTEN TO THE AUDIOBOOK!
I read the book and it creeped me out. Especially the talk about a man standing outside her window when she was small
Do you have a link for the audiobook? :)
I finished the book at night which was a terrible idea. I was literally crying out of fear. I had trouble sleeping for the next week!
The pages of “what are you waiting for” creeped me out
@@natalym9985 SAME. I WAS LIKE WHAT THE HECK?
I'm gonna be honest that title scared me alot
Same
James Pls don't quit!
Commented on a top comment I guess
Facts i got scared
You don't even know
same
Aw James and Chelsea at the end of this podcast is so sweet. He hit the nail on the head, she sold this movie and really boiled it down to the essence of what it was. Very human.
Hiya Chelsea and James -
Don't know if someone already commented this, but I just thought I'd quickly mention that the janitor didn't actually have an apartment. As the movie starts, he was actually looking out the window of his parents house, down into the beginning of the "daydream" we watch play out. In the beginning, as the janitor is kind of rambling around, eating his cereal, rinsing the bowl, preparing for another day that blends into another and into another.... We notice he still lives in his parents house. He never left home. He cared for both his parents, (mentioning "No one ever notices the good things you do" later in the film) sacrificing his own life, partially for them, but also because of his intense anxieties and insecurities of not being good enough. He never gave life a chance because he was too afraid of life's rejections. (We also see him leave the house, and get into his truck to head to work. That's when he's beginning to "daydream" the car ride we watch play out. There's a cool part where younger Jake reaches for the radio, and we see older Jake's hand change the dial.)
So, on the day he's "thinking of ending things", he's thinking back on how things could have played out different, if only he'd made different choices; if he'd taken a chance on life. Also, "the woman"'s name, on the caller ID keeps changing, cuz the janitor never learned the girls name that he was too self conscious to approach. So, in his "daydream", the woman's name just keeps changing. Also, younger Jake mentions to the woman the dog being all wet. I think that's why we only see the dog shaking dry, cuz that's the only clear image older Jake has of the dog. (Just all my opinions.)
I preferred the book, but I loved this movie as well. It hit me like a TON of bricks, right in the chest.
I'm agoraphobic (going on 5 years) and this movie has made me take a good, hard look at my life, and ask myself "Do I wanna end up losing all hope, like Jake." The answer is no. So I started online therapy a few weeks ago. ☺
Thanks for another amazing podcast, guys!
(And Chelsea, ya got me misty eyed at the end. Thanks for being the extremely sensitive, empathetic soul that you are.)
I've watched them all, and I adore and support you both. Congratulations on your upcoming wedding!!! Much light and love.
(Ok, I'll go back to lurking now, lol) ✌
Hey man - I understand the struggles of agoraphobia. But keep working on it. Baby steps. It can get better. I'm living proof. 🍀
Stay strong, brother. It gets better. Good on you for seeking some help. We're not built to go at it alone.
@@darinkenmore8325 Congratulations on reclaiming your life, my friend. That's amazing to hear! And thank you for your kind, understanding words. I begin exposure therapy in two weeks, so I'm excited/nervous. ☺
Much appreciation to you for this increadably encouraging comment. Thank you, sincerely.
@@LOng-zp3dv Thank you for thoughtfully commenting, and gently reminding me (and anyone else who happens to read this) that it's perfectly normal/healthy to reach out for assistance. Thank you for clearly stating this important fact. Much appreciation to you, as well. ✌☺
Congrats on starting therapy! That's a huge step and definitely not easy. Take care of yourself.
1:28:34 is the moment that the moment that I had to pause to cry my eyes out. I've dealt with, and still deal with intense suicidal thoughts. I thought I was ok until Chelsea started saying what she could see about Jake that he couldn't and her words were almost identical to things friends have told me to stop me from ending it. It was the moment when it went from a story I could understand to a story I'd so nearly lived and it hit me so hard.
❤️
POV your looking for a comment that doesn’t say “ GhEe I tHoUgHt tHeY wErE eNdinG tHe channel”
Lmao truuuu
POV you’re replying to an unfunny comment
@@bigslime2267 I don’t get it is this an attempt to b funny?😅
@@KodaLang21 be*
I thought he was gonna 😭🔫
The Janitor at my High School was a legend. Bruce had a sense of humor and loved just checking in to see how we were doing. He was a caring adult who had ZERO responsibility to be as much of a positive and supportive presence as he was. This conversation really got to me.
This is the only podcast I can listen to I just love it. The amount of work Chelsea has put into this is insane and I am forever thankful for the 129 episodes out now and for any more in the future. I hope they can continue doing more games, in-depth dives, and just goofing around to have fun. If you only watch this channel for the kill count you are simply missing out. The remakes episode is what hooked me and I will continue to listen as long as these are released. Thank you Chelsea and James for all the hard work I and many others are truly grateful.
Hi, I just wanted to say thank you to Chelsea for what she said at the end of the podcast. As someone who really related to the character of Jake, despite being a young women, what you said was really meaningful and beautiful. I live alone and have been having quite a hard week so far and this podcast was really uplifting for me. I watch the podcast everywhere while I work and I love that amount of effort Chelsea puts into them. So thank you 🙂
OK guys, we get it, the title scared everyone. Chill
No. Never
@@Theeditor2828 Dumb teenager most likely lol Grow up
Agreed. @Marluxia
@@MarluxiaX2 cmon now that’s disrespectful to teens all over the world
I know Jessie Buckley’s family and went to the same school as her. So incredibly proud of her success! Thank you for doing this movie! My worlds are colliding!
Never thought a Dead Meat podcast could make me cry but I was wrong. Chelsea is amazing and those closing comments were perfect. The way James loves Chelsea is beautiful too. Best podcast ever!
Am I the only person who saw the title and though “hey they’re gonna revue that new Charlie Kaufman movie”?
It would seem that way 😂
Charlis Kaufman is incredible
yes you are
I believe it's review
I instantly thought of the film too. I watched with my parents, and we debated for an hour after we finished about what this film actually meant. It was soooooo good, and I loved it 😁.
I had some thing happened that’s never happened with any other movie that I watched.
I was watching and I was thinking the whole time “This is so odd. I don’t get what’s going on exactly but it’s great.”
When I finally realized what the “twist” was and when it clicked in my head fully I started to sob uncontrollably.
Like the second it all made sense to me I started to break down.
This movie is 10/10.
I wanna show this movie to my Partner but I dont want her to be too lost. Wat should I tell her before we watch?
I dont know if I'm alone in thinking this but. While hearing about this movie over the course of this podcast I kinda got a little down. It hits in some places. It's the kind of movie that makes you question yourself. But the ending bit of this podcast legitimately made me smile. You guys are so incredibly wholesome and kind and it's the reason I watch every video apart from the superb entertainment. Be good people!
I love the movie reviews in just about every way. Whether I've seen the movie, go watch it for the 1st time before I listen, or just want to hear a breakdown if I don't seem interested. I googled this movie and went "meh, not for me." But of course, I was gonna listen regardless cuz I would still enjoy it. I didn't think twice about the content warning. I thought at the end of this, I would feel how James initially did, especially the way it was described in the first 10 mins or so. But then, holy hell, I just wasn't prepared. This hit home in SO MANY WAYS. I feel like Jake all the time. And I do this hypothetical shit in my head all the time. As sad as this made me feel, because I see so many paths of ending up like that in life, it's still a moment of self realization. There's still so much life to live, choices to make and paths to explore. It's kind of a wake up call to stop being scared of life. Jake is a charachter that has never felt love. He has a natural vulenrablititly defense mechanism which prevents him from letting someone love him. This was such a beautiful episode, both of you as always did fantastic. But Chelsea especially right here just, wow, incredible. So thank you for that. I am actually a little terrified to watch this, it's scary because it's relatable, so maybe to me, this would actually be horror. BUT, I think I do have an interesting rule. The 3 genre rule. If you logically consider a film 3 genres other than horror before it, it's not universally a horror movie. Won't lie, I go back and forth on being genre strict 😂
I wanna show this movie to my Partner but I dont want her to be too lost. Wat should I tell her before we watch?
@@2bemyownman200 I might go with something like "this movie is kind of a mind fuck, you'll probably be confused and you're supposed to be. But trust me, it's an amazing experience" certain films are designed for the audience to not be informed. But these can be the amazing type of art you go back to multiple times. Like the movie "Mr. Nobody"
@@offscreenlongo thank you bruh. 🙏🏿. Ill definitely go with somethin like that.
This movie just had me doing the Leonardo DiCaprio meme from Once Upon A Time In Hollywood every time something changed.
This movie came out at a time where I was having a lot of the same invasive thoughts of suicide that the janitor constantly says over the phone, it was a really cathartic and haunting experience for me and was definitely my favourite movie of 2020. It was part of what made me go and finally get therapy
As a person with anxiety and depression, I assumed this movie was about suicide. I have a hard time watching movies that hit a little too real and too close to home like I suspect this movie does, but I think a podcast should be fine? An atmosphere of dread is almost a constant for me, but you two always make it more fun.
Who else thought James is gonna end his channel so you clicked the vid instantly 💀
me rn 🧍
Yeah
yep
Yes
Until my brain cells fired, yes.
Am I the only one who immediently knew they were gonna talk about the movie?
I was excited to read people's comments on the movie and then saw almost all of them are about thinking James was quitting! Lol. Wtf
Yes, because I watched the movie and read the book. But I understand why it scared people.
yeah i wanted to read the comments for thoughts on the film but oh well
so satan watches dead meat why am I not surprised
Who else got really scared that James was ending dead meat because of the title? Don’t ever do that to us again James😂
SAME
same
He literally reviews scary movies.
Same
Dude my heart skipped a beat
the last 20 seconds of this podcast are so heartwarming!! I couldn't agree more with James that Chelsea's sheer passion for this movie is singularly the best endorsement of it I have seen. You two are the best. ;__;
genuinely the best film of 2020. watching this masterpiece unfold was incredible
I didn’t think at first you were talking about a movie
Same! And then I remembered it's a movie.
same
It scared me
Same lol
😭bro omg same
I don't mind if the podcast doesn't focus on horror sometimes. I watch Kill Counts for the personality and analysis more than anything else. Anyone can cut together a bunch of blood and gore but there's a reason Kill Counts are so popular, and that is the writing and analysis.
I feel like the only reason I classified this movie as horror was because it TERRIFIED me and I loved it so so much and therefore wanted to classify it as horror. But hearing this podcast and analysing it further confirms to me that it isn’t actually horror, but just a beautiful and tragic artistic movie. Thanks guys!
I still consider it horror since the fear of getting old and being alone is just something that's very real and actually scary. I think horror is best when it's also tragic and validates the emotional side.
I would consider it existential horror.
Podcasts are my favorite part of Dead Meat and I appreciate all the work you put into each one Chelsea! Going to watch the film before I finish the podcast but just wanted to spread some love your way for all the hard work you put into the podcasts!
This episode was deeply touching. My father was a custodian for most of his life and he passed away recently. I actually worked as a school custodian for a while after his passing and I feel that it brought me closer to him spiritually. Leaving that job was a bit sad for me because the other custodians loved having me on the team. They were genuinely great people that perhaps didn’t get a lot of respect due to their professions.
I hope everyone that watches this video gains more respect for those with less desirable careers such as custodians. I can say from first-hand experience that many of them do lack self-confidence and they are some of the hardest working people you will ever run across. That job absolutely helped me become a better person.
I had skipped this episode for the content at the time. Swinging back, it's such a prime example of how great this podcast is. Also, Chelsea ending by asking James how he felt and he was so overwhelmed with his love for her he had to express that more than his changing approach to the movie. I melted into a puddle it was so adorable.
There are three actors from “Fargo” in the movie
Jesse plemons was in Fargo season 2
David thewlis was in Fargo season 3
And Jessie Buckley was in Fargo season 4
four actually. Oliver Platt was the voice of the Pig. (He played Stavros the supermarket king in the first season of Fargo) so there is an actor from every season of the show.
I think its amazing how they got across the confusion and pain of dementia onset in old age and the fallibility of the human imagination. And he was alone, there was no one to catch it getting worse
I was listening to this in the laundromat, and felt myself losing it. Then I got to my apartment and sat on the floor sobbing when I listened to the last few minutes again
Wow I actually teared up at the final statement from Chelsea. It was a beautiful way to think of my own worth.
Love you guys! You really have changed my life and outlook and knowledge in so many ways throughout the years.
First video of yours I've ever watched, but I loved Chelsea's sensitivity toward the film and the character.
I didn't go into this episode thinking I would need it as much as I did. I've always felt like I'd love to just sit down and talk to James and Chelsea about horror movies, but what Chelsea said at the end of this episode spoke to me so deeply. Thanks for the amazing commentary, guys.
This was one of the scariest movies I've ever seen because I'm well on my way to being Jake. I'm nearly thirty and have no friends, never had a romantic relationship, and have no aspirations. My only relationships are with my brother, parents, and grandparents. I know it's just a matter of time before they die or move away and I'm left alone.
I’m sad that I’m almost done listening to all these podcasts. Chelsea does such an incredible job and I’ll certainly re-listen to them all. Life is rough right now and this movie left me with an ache in my chest, but their affirmation in Jake’s worth is uplifting
Chelsea you just made me care deeply about a movie I just had the same experience as James with. I think your empathy and message shows a lot about who you are, your thoughts were just lovely and moving 💛🌙🌟✨
Just here to drop some love for Chelsea and all the hard work she does to create this interesting and informative podcast for us. You don't get enough credit for all that you do.
Chelsea, I don't know if you read all these comments but your words at the end really spoke to me. I've never felt the things I'm passionate about are important to anyone else I know and by extension that I'm not important or not worth spending time with or having people explore those with me. And what you said really truly rang deeper than the platitudes both referenced in the film and that I've seen countless others use. You are deeply emotionally intelligent and I admire that. My dream is to filmmake and hopefully one day I'll make a horror film so good you guys will do a KC/Podcast on it. Much love to you both, you have quickly become my favorite channel on all of TH-cam :)
As someone who has dealt with a lot of the sensitive nature of this movie quite young I really appreciate your message at the end Chelsea. It hit my heart pretty hard haha
Continue to be good people and thanks for all that you and James bring into my lil corner of the world ((:
This is by far my favorite episode. Really wonderful and compassionate.
"The floor squeaks,
The door squeaks,
There's a field mouse a-nibblin' on a broom.
And I set by myself,
Like a cobweb on a shelf,
By myself in a lonely room."
-- "Lonely Room", 'Oklahoma!'
(I've always been rather partial to the character of Jud, creepy though he is. I'll definitely check the film out, and maybe the book too.)
I couldn't finish this movie. As someone who struggles with suicidal thoughts it hit a bit too close to home
I've always struggled with watching movies like I'm Thinking of Ending Things because it makes me my chest ache so terribly. There are even reality shows that I can't stand to watch because it makes me feel so sad and helpless that there are people like Jake that are struggling and feel so alone.
I don't think I could have watched this movie without being genuinely emotionally fucked up for days after. But I am so glad I made it through this video. I love this podcast, and I greatly value and appreciate the thought, effort, and concern that you put into it helping people think about (horror) movies beyond typical consumption. Because of this episode, I was able to appreciate a movie that I don't think I'd have been able to watch. I will be able to talk about it with others, and point them in your direction if they had a hard time understanding the plot/point like James did.
I love this podcast's ability to educate and explore movies in ways that some channels are lacking. You two are amazing.
I listened to this pod at work and thank God I was alone because I was sobbing by the end, mostly due to Chelsea’s closing. Thank you both so much ❤️
Yeah, watching this for the 3rd time.
Still cried.
Love you both.
The title scared me. I’ve never clicked so fast
I got scared when I read the title Jesus
Same.
Your parting message really got to me. It made me cry. Can’t wait until next week for the horror podcast!
I won't lie, I got the notification, saw the title, and who it was from, and I fucking panicked. That scared the shit outta me
James and Chelsea’s relationship seems so healthy and it inspires me😭 obviously no relationship is perfect, but man you can tell they love each other !! Best channel by the best people.
This movie saddened me to my core
I’ve been waiting for this!!! I was one of the people that asked for this on Twitter and Chelsea replied to me ❤️❤️
Kinda think any movie that intentionally builds a sense of dread in it's audience can be considered a horror movie (mother, the lighthouse, I'm thinking of ending things). Guess it's a matter of opinion though.
Edit: Beautiful outro Chelsea, thank you.
I loved this film and I loved how much Chelsea extrapolated this film in this format. I am very much a Charlie Kaufman fan, and I think the concepts he finds scary and frightening are something universal to a lot of us as people:
what our lives mean to ourselves, to other people, being lonely, dying alone, what we leave behind, leading a happy life, consuming so much media and other interests that we don’t have a grasp at our own identity. A whole plethora of existential crap that (at least for me) plagues us on a daily basis.
This film is such a stark examination at the fear that keeps us from living our true potential. The anxieties of connecting to other people in fear of embarrassment or feeling invalidated, not feeling original in our thoughts or opinions, and even being content with our achievements in this life. Kaufman is such a master at visualizing those abstract concepts and ideas into a medium that is impressive to watch with the way he directs actors and creates atmosphere.
I love this episode. One of my favorite podcast episodes to date.
Have you guys seen “blackbear” with Aubrey plaza. That movie is a weird one too.
Great movie
Picked this at random since I missed a few podcast episodes. But, by far, the best thing I could have listened to on Valentines's Day. Not just becuz of the adorable lovey-dovey ending. Also to remind myself how *not* alone I am this holiday.
I saw the title and almost had a heart attack
I’m assuming that they originally titled this “I’m thinking of ending things” without the ‘review of’ by the way that everyone’s talking in the comments lol
Probably youtube up their asses since the title sounds kinda suicidal
@@Dylan-xt3ms or maybe they’re just decent people and they don’t want to freak out their audience too much
Great episode Chelsea and James. Really brought up a lot of important perspectives, so thank you! And I agree with James that Chelsea is wonderful- she made this video so thoughtful and complete with her commentary. XO
Best of 2020:
I’m Thinking of Ending Things
Another Round
Black Bear
The Nest
Lux Æterna
the title scared the crap out of me jeez
You're awesome, Chelsea. Thank you for being so caring.
I had a fucking heart attack cause I didn’t think it was a movie
Me to
I did not expect this episode and this movie to kick my ass so hard. Thank you James and Chelsea for that ending message. I cannot put into words how much I needed to hear that after listening to this episode
This was a really thoughtful and life affirming review. i really enjoyed it.
Feeling like shit right now. The end of this podcast was what I needed.
Thank you Chelsea 💜
I just watched this last night for the first time and now there is a dead meat podcast, I’ve never been so blessed
I saw the title and felt immediate fear. I thought you were quitting
One thing that probably doesn’t help Jake’s constant reminder of death during the dinner scene knowing all the food is farm to table. He’s eating and looking at an animal that was raised just to die and has been all his life, constantly reminded of death and how lonely it is
The whole "is this horror" debate is pretty interesting. I watched Jon Carpenter's Vampires movie, and I could not think of it as horror at all.
I think is one of those action movies that feature some horror elements without being actually scary. Something like Resident Evil, Underworld and Zak Snyder's remake of Dawn of the Dead.
I felt the same way with the Emoji Movie.
I agree with Chelsea's take away that there is a somewhat bittersweet and affirming element to the movie. When Jake recites the John Forbs Nash speech from A Beautiful Mind on stage at the end of the film, I believe that it is equating the value of Jake's life, a man who never really accomplished anything if you measure and never had anyone to be with or made any friends, to that of a Nobel prize winning mathematician whom shared a long and tumultuous loving marriage with his mathematician wife and was a game changer in economics. The same speech "It is only in the mysterious equations of love that any logical reasons can be found. I'm only here tonight because of you. You are the reason I am. You are all my reasons." If the young woman is a projection Jake created to love and care about him, but she is actually him, then she could represent the positive affirming things that he knows about himself. She could represent his self love. I know movies should stand on their own but as a Charlie Kaufman fan, this movie is much easier to get into if you have an idea of how Charlie Kaufman thinks. And by watching each of his movies you definitely get an idea of it, especially the ones he directed. I know the movies he directed are polarizing but I am left in awe of how he never wastes a second to communicate something.
I love movies like this, where it has deep themes that you have to think about to understand. Especially because after you do some research you can rewatch and catch all the clues/hints to the theme.
I enjoyed this movie but I honestly took it as “oh the title suggests suicide but the movie is about a dead relationship”
I’m still listening to the pod so I still don’t know exactly what gives away that it has suicide as a subject. But I’ll probably end up giving it a rewatch after I listen to this in full.
Chelsea‘s speech at the end was one of the most motivating things I‘ve ever heard and one of the most beautiful explanations why we all love horror. Thanks for that!!! You guys are incredible.
"fuck yeah that shreds" - best quote of 2021
Thank you for your message at the end of the video, Chelsea 💜
:)
@@RealBradMiller :)
THIS TITLE ALMOST MADE ME HAVE A HEART ATTACK-
And in turn you would have won the dull machete
Same
Thanks for being there for me.
One of my all time favorites, hope you guys enjoyed it!
well, at least Chelsea did! Hope James enjoys it more on a rewatch!
@@GatheringFirewood ill never gonna rewatch it, cos fuck me, after i realized what the movie was about i was so goddamn depressed that im not gonna put myself through that again 😐 movie in its own was great though.
@@phimau8104 i just relate to it in so many ways it is depressing but it is so reflective for me! i owe it so much i will never stop watching it. I’ve seen it about 8 times and get more out of it each time
For me, one of the big plot points of the book was The Caller and what exactly was the ''one question to answer''. At the end, when we finally discover the question, it felt like a REALLY strong moment.
Thanks for the podcast! What a great listen.
Absolutely my favorite podcast. Always a highlight of my week. Don't let the bastards get you down, Chelsea!
Chelsie explaining the feeling going on
James being supportive but still hates the movie
I 👏love 👏these👏 two 👏
I am so glad i watched this before i go watch the movie, would totally have to rewatch with the background info, thank you guys!
I actually like that you two are split on this movie. It makes the commentary more honest. There's nothing wrong with agreeing on the same points for film making , plot points and giving it praise. But to have one love the film and the other not brings a bit more to the discussion
They had us in the first half ngl
The title bloody scared me thought they were stopping yt
Beautiful message at the end Chelsea, thank you for that ♡