For the price. This is a very nit picky review. Nothing comes close to this wheel at this price point. There are going to be slight flaws and draw backs. Theyve still got sell the GS and FSR remember. Cant make their cheaper wheel. Better than their top of the range offerings. That just wouldn't make sense would it 😂
yeah I was willing to be super receptive a difference in opinion but it seems to come down to 'why isn't this KS wheel exactly like the GS wheel with cheaper materials'? He's really underselling the price point because it isn't just competitive, the only comparable wheel at this price point is the McLaren GT3 wheel, which seems like a toy in comparison with the xbox buttons and a couple dials or the Clubsport Formula Carbon. It is the most affordable functional GT wheel at its price point. Are the analog sticks not being in the exact position as the GS or the shifters needing a more satisfying click really worth 200 more dollars here? Up to you. I have an R5 with the KS wheel, been using it for about a month now, and I just don't experience the frustration he speaks of in this review, with the shifters or the button placement. It's purely a personal preference, and it depends on how much you're willing to pay for something that is largely not perceived as a design flaw
@kevinking9752 I 100% agree with you. The question isn't why should you buy the KS wheel! It's more, why shouldn't you? Imo. I think in the next 6-12 months. Moza will release a killer wheel in and around the £700 mark that will give companies like Cube and GSI etc a real problem. I, like you have the R5 and I got the KS last weekend. Got to say that I absolutely love it! I was looking at much more expensive wheels but they all had things that I didn't want or they didn't have things that I wanted. So I would of regret spending that sort of money. So I'm more than happy with my KS purchase. Just need to buy the VRS wheel base at the end of the month and the main bulk of my setup will be complete for this year.
Great review. I'm a happy owner of the Moza R12 + KS wheel combo and I must say you raise great issues, even though I don't really agree with them. I think the paddle shifter click is pronounced while not being overly loud, so I think it's personal preference. Quality is definitely top notch (not talking about quality control, but in terms of materials). I just can't agree on that ergonomics point - I don't know how large your hands are, but I would call mine about medium, maybe small-ish depending who you ask, and I immediately felt at one with how everything is laid out. Granted, I jumped from a G29, so in this way I might be a bit inexperienced. But in my opinion the joystick is right where it should be, even if it means sacrificing access to some buttons - realistically, you're not going to be using them all, so some buttons can be a bit less accessible, whereas at least I find myself using the joystick a lot. Quick question - I see you were able to set colours of button illumination and it has been a problem for me since Day 1. How did you accomplish it? I saw a TraxionGG video a while back saying they had the exact same issue I do, so I wonder if you did anything differently than what it says in the manual. Thanks and keep up the great work.
Before i bought my Ks, i had the gs which i used and loved, but when i got the ks i felt like this is what i want for gt racing, to the point where i didn't find that i needed my gs anymore so i put it up for sale to get the fsr
My GS is collecting dust because of this wheel. Thankfully mine didn't turn up sounding like a maraca - the button layout took some getting used to, but that's just adjusting from the GS. I honestly really like the paddles as well, they do have much more travel but there's something about the initial resistance which feels just right and I love the soft stop. I definitely understand if I'm in the minority but I prefer these to the short, sharp crack of the GS paddles (I run them without the rubber pads, didn't like it with them in.) The stiffness of this wheel is another level too, absolutely zero cracking/creaking from the grips (big problem with my GS, despite being a V2) and it feels remarkably solid. The buttons, I concur are 10/10 and so much better in every way. My only gripe is with the shape of the grips. That channel cut out for your thumb is terrible and, for me, results in reduced contact where the grip falls away from the middle part of my thumb. The shaping is pretty sharp on the back too. Definitely feels like it was made for smaller hands than mine, but I'm a medium glove. But that's really my only gripe. Aesthetically it's not my favourite looking wheel but I can put that aside, everyone talks about the Williams and Ferrari 488 wheels but to me it looks most like the pre-hybrid Red Bull wheels
Gs has the v2p coming soon which is supposed to be stiffer and lighter than v2 (making it even lighter than the ks). With that in mind would you say the ks is still likely a better buy? I cannot decide which I should get because I unfortunately can’t try them in person. Currently using the cs and I love the click paddles
@@eg-xf5icI can’t see the V2P being lighter than a KS, but I’d still go for it over the KS. I’ve changed my mind considerably since this comment. The KS is lighter, buttons feel nicer, and mainly the grips don’t creak/crack but it’s so uncomfortable to use because of the shape of the grips. GS all the way.
Good thing about magnetic shifters is that you can add additional magnet over the one allready there and you gain more clickey feeling you are looking for.
Yeah I think i'll be going with a KS myself. I don't foresee the ergonomics bothering me, but an extra 200ish bucks for a couple extra encoders on the GS v2 isn't worth it, and the FSR is just too much, especially since I use VR which makes the built-in display useless.
4:22 I just open/extend my fingers so my thumb has more room to press buttons I need to press without accidently pressing other buttons or analogue stick by mistake. I do that with my Esport F1 wheel. But I do hit the top buttons by accident plenty of times when the ffb push against me when I lose control of the car or crash, etc.
Thanks for the great review. In your opinion, is it possible to combine the KS (with Moza hub) with a Simcube 2 base? Is the Ks sturdy enough for the simcube? THX
Magnetic paddles do that, you can dampen them to make them very quiet and magnetic shifters feel AMAZING trust me once you have them you do not want to go back to normal spring shifters it’s such a nice feeling
@@randomcallsign*correction With thumb dials. I've been learning to adjust brake bias more dynamically and it's much easier compared to normal rotary encoders. I liked the controls from the SF1000 wheel but didn't like that it was so small.
The BMW wheel is more of a gimmick wheel. It has less value than most wheels out there at the price for simracing. Still, I'd have it in the rig over anything else. It just feels better than anything else. Ergonomics, build, looks, the way it sounds its amazing.
Its a steering wheel not a controller, how often are you moving your hands around to make any "ergonomic" arguments? Plus, ergonomics are purely subjective to each individual user.
I have the ks wheel here and I'm not so enthusiastic. Squeaky buttons, shifters have different pressure points and moza's customer service is a disaster.
I agree, WHY OH WHY cant you adjust the LED colours through Pit House. My GS GT V2 came with the older style LEDs on the rev counter not the blended LEDs like on your video... odd. Still i prefer the individual LEDs anyway. I disagree with the buttons being better on the KS than the GS. The buttons on the KS give good feedback and are tactile, but they feel and sound cheap. The buttons on the GS dont click as such, no. But they dont sound or feel cheap. Still the KS is still a great wheel, but the GS is what the KS should have been to begin with imo.
For the price. This is a very nit picky review. Nothing comes close to this wheel at this price point. There are going to be slight flaws and draw backs. Theyve still got sell the GS and FSR remember. Cant make their cheaper wheel. Better than their top of the range offerings. That just wouldn't make sense would it 😂
yeah I was willing to be super receptive a difference in opinion but it seems to come down to 'why isn't this KS wheel exactly like the GS wheel with cheaper materials'? He's really underselling the price point because it isn't just competitive, the only comparable wheel at this price point is the McLaren GT3 wheel, which seems like a toy in comparison with the xbox buttons and a couple dials or the Clubsport Formula Carbon. It is the most affordable functional GT wheel at its price point. Are the analog sticks not being in the exact position as the GS or the shifters needing a more satisfying click really worth 200 more dollars here? Up to you.
I have an R5 with the KS wheel, been using it for about a month now, and I just don't experience the frustration he speaks of in this review, with the shifters or the button placement. It's purely a personal preference, and it depends on how much you're willing to pay for something that is largely not perceived as a design flaw
@kevinking9752 I 100% agree with you. The question isn't why should you buy the KS wheel! It's more, why shouldn't you? Imo. I think in the next 6-12 months. Moza will release a killer wheel in and around the £700 mark that will give companies like Cube and GSI etc a real problem.
I, like you have the R5 and I got the KS last weekend. Got to say that I absolutely love it! I was looking at much more expensive wheels but they all had things that I didn't want or they didn't have things that I wanted. So I would of regret spending that sort of money. So I'm more than happy with my KS purchase. Just need to buy the VRS wheel base at the end of the month and the main bulk of my setup will be complete for this year.
@@boosivemotorsportofficial To me with the GS vs KS.... it's an extra 200ish bucks just for a couple extra encoders. Not worth it for sure.
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Great review. I'm a happy owner of the Moza R12 + KS wheel combo and I must say you raise great issues, even though I don't really agree with them. I think the paddle shifter click is pronounced while not being overly loud, so I think it's personal preference. Quality is definitely top notch (not talking about quality control, but in terms of materials). I just can't agree on that ergonomics point - I don't know how large your hands are, but I would call mine about medium, maybe small-ish depending who you ask, and I immediately felt at one with how everything is laid out. Granted, I jumped from a G29, so in this way I might be a bit inexperienced. But in my opinion the joystick is right where it should be, even if it means sacrificing access to some buttons - realistically, you're not going to be using them all, so some buttons can be a bit less accessible, whereas at least I find myself using the joystick a lot.
Quick question - I see you were able to set colours of button illumination and it has been a problem for me since Day 1. How did you accomplish it? I saw a TraxionGG video a while back saying they had the exact same issue I do, so I wonder if you did anything differently than what it says in the manual. Thanks and keep up the great work.
The steering looks exactly like the red bull f1 wheels from 2010-2014 rather than the 488 wheel :p
Kinda reminds me of the Williams F1 wheels before 2024
Before i bought my Ks, i had the gs which i used and loved, but when i got the ks i felt like this is what i want for gt racing, to the point where i didn't find that i needed my gs anymore so i put it up for sale to get the fsr
I can't wait to get mine!
The shifters feel and sound like that because of the dampening strips underneath that come pre-installed. I believe that you can remove them.
The shifter feels great, believe me. Its obviously an opinion but i think 95% of people will be happy with this wheel. Thing is solid.
Great review. I wish I could try it out and test if the ergonomics were a problem for me too. The rattling is a bit of a pill for sure.
I bought mine from Abruzzi, zero rattles here
@@EthanDean57 That's good to know.
My GS is collecting dust because of this wheel. Thankfully mine didn't turn up sounding like a maraca - the button layout took some getting used to, but that's just adjusting from the GS. I honestly really like the paddles as well, they do have much more travel but there's something about the initial resistance which feels just right and I love the soft stop. I definitely understand if I'm in the minority but I prefer these to the short, sharp crack of the GS paddles (I run them without the rubber pads, didn't like it with them in.) The stiffness of this wheel is another level too, absolutely zero cracking/creaking from the grips (big problem with my GS, despite being a V2) and it feels remarkably solid. The buttons, I concur are 10/10 and so much better in every way.
My only gripe is with the shape of the grips. That channel cut out for your thumb is terrible and, for me, results in reduced contact where the grip falls away from the middle part of my thumb. The shaping is pretty sharp on the back too. Definitely feels like it was made for smaller hands than mine, but I'm a medium glove. But that's really my only gripe.
Aesthetically it's not my favourite looking wheel but I can put that aside, everyone talks about the Williams and Ferrari 488 wheels but to me it looks most like the pre-hybrid Red Bull wheels
Gs has the v2p coming soon which is supposed to be stiffer and lighter than v2 (making it even lighter than the ks). With that in mind would you say the ks is still likely a better buy? I cannot decide which I should get because I unfortunately can’t try them in person. Currently using the cs and I love the click paddles
@@eg-xf5icI can’t see the V2P being lighter than a KS, but I’d still go for it over the KS. I’ve changed my mind considerably since this comment. The KS is lighter, buttons feel nicer, and mainly the grips don’t creak/crack but it’s so uncomfortable to use because of the shape of the grips. GS all the way.
Good thing about magnetic shifters is that you can add additional magnet over the one allready there and you gain more clickey feeling you are looking for.
How?, Just put one on the shifter?
i have this wheel on a R5 i do mostly iracing works great ,love the look too
I wish the rotary encoders were backlit like on the gt neo.
My wheel creeks. 😩😩
Good job dude, nice review!
Good review. Thank you for that.
please do a complete review of this volume in portuguese, as brazilians love your channel but most don't understand english. thank you very much!
Sorry, but very difficult to justify my time for it.
Great review, GS V2 it is for me at least. I'd rather pay extra now than pay more by upgrading later, haha.
Yeah I think i'll be going with a KS myself. I don't foresee the ergonomics bothering me, but an extra 200ish bucks for a couple extra encoders on the GS v2 isn't worth it, and the FSR is just too much, especially since I use VR which makes the built-in display useless.
I'm super tempted to go to microcenter and get one of these there's a open box there for $240
4:22 I just open/extend my fingers so my thumb has more room to press buttons I need to press without accidently pressing other buttons or analogue stick by mistake. I do that with my Esport F1 wheel. But I do hit the top buttons by accident plenty of times when the ffb push against me when I lose control of the car or crash, etc.
Thanks for the great review. In your opinion, is it possible to combine the KS (with Moza hub) with a Simcube 2 base? Is the Ks sturdy enough for the simcube? THX
Yes
You need the moza hub
i heared that the KS shifters are super loud and Clicky...
Magnetic paddles do that, you can dampen them to make them very quiet and magnetic shifters feel AMAZING trust me once you have them you do not want to go back to normal spring shifters it’s such a nice feeling
I wish Thrustmaster or Fanatec made a nice 300mm sized GT wheel with thumb dials
Mclaren 650 is pretty nice.
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With thumb dials. I've been learning to adjust brake bias more dynamically and it's much easier compared to normal rotary encoders. I liked the controls from the SF1000 wheel but didn't like that it was so small.
Yeah. The BMW one will be too expensive
@@randomcallsign would you recommend it for its current price if budget isn't an issue?
The BMW wheel is more of a gimmick wheel. It has less value than most wheels out there at the price for simracing.
Still, I'd have it in the rig over anything else. It just feels better than anything else.
Ergonomics, build, looks, the way it sounds its amazing.
is it Moza or Motza?
Issues with it seems to depend on the person using it.
Its a steering wheel not a controller, how often are you moving your hands around to make any "ergonomic" arguments? Plus, ergonomics are purely subjective to each individual user.
I have the ks wheel here and I'm not so enthusiastic. Squeaky buttons, shifters have different pressure points and moza's customer service is a disaster.
Does your wheel creek at all? I feel like mine does 😢
why do you pronounce it like "Motza"? is it that hard to say "Moza"?
The shifter feels great and the button placement is not an issue for me. I think you have completely missed the point of this rim.
@@frankchen3033 I haven't no. Not an issue with a mclaren wheel.
Shifter can be good at this price and ergonomics are indepent of price point.
Sold my GS and bought the KS without hesitation. absolutely no regret.
I agree, WHY OH WHY cant you adjust the LED colours through Pit House. My GS GT V2 came with the older style LEDs on the rev counter not the blended LEDs like on your video... odd. Still i prefer the individual LEDs anyway.
I disagree with the buttons being better on the KS than the GS. The buttons on the KS give good feedback and are tactile, but they feel and sound cheap. The buttons on the GS dont click as such, no. But they dont sound or feel cheap. Still the KS is still a great wheel, but the GS is what the KS should have been to begin with imo.
Paddles are cheap plastic snapped my down shift its like a metal plate screwed to a piece of plastic which is doing all the work.
I would probably still spend the extra money and get the GS, it's just nicer in pretty much every way possible
I love mine w/ my R9!
you should compare Moza KS with the Fanatec Mclaren GT3
KS is miles better, in every aspect
Clean sweep
Your hands seem to be the problem. 😎
i got this wheel its awesome i cant find one thing i dont like and i dont have any rattle like you
it coukd have been perfect if they didnt take the rella on the moza
Mierenneuken is what we call this in Dutch, translates to having intercourse with ants. Wheat do you expect at this price range?
I just got notified
Hi
one more... it looks ugly