@@danamichelle1290 Believe me I have been there and hearing other people have sex in prison from working at one, is not something you really want to experience...
well the babymaking activities wouldnt make much noise,its only the talking i think would be something anyone else could hear,and in isolation i think listening to other people must be a big relief,isolation is damaging peoples mental health and brains incredible fast,its not long ago a new study showed it is even more dangerous that we knew and we have known for years that it really shouldnt be allowed at all,many people never recover from the damage it inflicts on them.
Foster mom here.. they always try to place baby with family (even alleged) or kinship first. So it totally tracks for me why she was placed with Dad's family, even pending the DNA test. I'm sure they probably did attempt to place with mom's family too, but they may not have been willing or able take placement of baby.
I think the person that said something about separating men and women in prison meant that they thought men and women went to separate prisons. I thought they always did, too.
@@pollypocket3508 they aren’t in prison so that’s why men and women aren’t separated. They’re just in jail, then once they go to court and get convicted then they’ll go to prison which is men only and women only.
This is extremely sad for the baby. It would have been funny if a baby wasn’t brought into it like if they’d got caught passing the sperm but this is just so sad for the child that’s going to grow up without their parents 😢
@ yeah that’s true. But the poor baby should have never been conceived. She’s gonna grow up feeling like she’s missing a part of herself and that breaks my heart
The USA's legal and penitentiary system is horrible. The recitivism rate is giant, the inmates are treated horribly (both in and after serving), and for some stupid reason, no one higher up is trying to fix it. I took a lot of law enforcement classes. I want to maybe be a sketch artist. But the prison system is horrible.
Locked up, in solitary, for TWO YEARS, two whole years, two fuckin years, two entire trips around the sun, 730 days, TWO GORRAMN YEARS, before being convicted of anything, before being proven guilty, completely without a trial?! What the actual fuck. I try to have faith in the justice system, but then I read about something like this.
Right, like what even was the point of this for either of them?? Boredom? Just to say they did? What a horrifying reason to bring a human life into this world. I just hope that poor baby, if it makes it to term, gets placed with a good family that can give it a good shot at life.
They don’t care about the baby. They want to call themselves parents but they’re not. The child won’t get any present loving parenting from them. They disgust me
@@iknowyouwanttofly this is the correct answer and one that’s weirdly being glossed over in this story. Even normal prison is inhumane and likely to traumatize someone, but isolation really really fucks you up. Obviously, these people hadn’t had the best decision making skills before this, but we placed them in torture chambers of depravation and then laugh when their behavior and decisions are irrational. She may not have been sexually assaulted like she claims, but tbh that doesn’t make the facility innocent - they still did this. If we had restorative instead of punitive justice, these circumstances would never have arisen.
This would just be guesses without substance, but the guy probably wanted his genes to be passed on. It's the same mentality of guys who purposely get many women pregnant but don't stick around to raise any of them. For the woman, most likely she viewed it as an act of "love" to make her boyfriend(?) wish come true. Maybe she didn't think far in advance about what would happen after pregnancy with the baby being taken away OR she knew it would be and couldn't care less about the baby.
I watched a documentary recently about women’s prisons, and part of it was talking about the subject of women having babies in prison. This particular prison allowed low-risk inmates to keep their babies with them in a special unit until they were weaned. They were working to bring the practice to other prisons in the US because of its positive benefits. I will have to see if I can find that documentary again and share it here.
Yeah we have that in NZ. I used to work with a paediatrician in the UK who would v visit the mums and babies in the prison near our clinic, and she said for many babies and mums, it was the best option. Set meals, healthcare, no intimate partner violence, plenty of bonding time etc. Mums and kids who were separated struggled with being torn apart, whereas keeping baby gives mum something to strive for and experience love and care. I think it's generally until 2yo.
“I feel like this is something that should be on an episode Orange is the New Black, but it’s real life in Florida” pretty much sums up the state of Florida perfectly.
I mean the other ludicrous part of this story is that this woman is too poor to make bail. She has been in jail for two years and hasn’t been convicted. She can’t make a real legal defense if she is stuck in jail where it is sooo much harder to speak to your attorney even if it is a court appointed one. She is in a very real sense being denied her right to due process because of poverty. It’s outrageous. On top of that she has been held in solitary confinement which is a form of cruel and unusual punishment that has literally been proven to drive people insane in a short amount of time. Honestly, thank heavens she found a way to talk to someone else because that helps to preserve one’s sanity. Also the mental and physical project of figuring out how to pass things through the vent would also help to preserve one’s mental health while the state is torturing you for not even being proven guilty by a jury of your peers. I’m not saying that she is innocent but I do believe in innocent until proven guilty. She is being denied her human rights here so I don’t fault her for trying to take some control over her life. Now, is it incredibly selfish to bring a child into the world like that? Yes, a thousand times yes. But you push people into a corner like that and they will do anything to reclaim a sliver of their humanity.
"Innocent unless proven guilty" is a privilege to be bought. As George Carlin said, you have no rights, only privileges at the pleasure of the oligarchy.
Thank you for this comment. I’ve been kinda put off by the “isn’t this ZANY” coverage of this story when it’s clearly a story of how evil our prison system is and more evidence of how forced isolation pushes people’s psyches and choices to extreme harmful places.
& she's specifically accused of ⚰️ing her EX-bf. I have no idea what happened, but a non-zero number of women carry firearms to DEFEND themselves from ex-bf's.
You mean innocent until the courts find her guilty of the actual crime she is guilty of? And she is entitled to a lawyer, visits from said lawyers. You don’t just get locked up and forgotten. And here you are making claims about her innocence. “ what she told her husband…. “I think I hit a major artery; you’ll be fine,” a video reportedly shows Link saying to the husband, who later died.pretty sure she will be found guilty,
as someone with a very "colorful" past, who has spent many months in a county jail in Washington state, this is %100 doable, I used to drain the water in my toilet and talk into it to the cells below me, which was the male unit. We also used to send notes between floors through the vents, it's called "fishing" but the fact that they took it this far, is WILD!
yep, no surprise that people come up with crazy schemes in that situation- people who have nothing else to do (and are being deprived of stimulus and social interaction) will come up with literally anything that can keep their minds entertained.
If I understand neither of them had been found guilty not that human rights and dignity should stop after a trial but they're innocent until proven guilty and punished anyway
I mean, if something has a .01% chance of happening, and you attempt it 150 times, that might increase the odds to 15%. I'm not a scientist or a mathematician, but I think that's how it works. I also don't know what % it was originally. No idea if they would have stopped after a month or kept at it.
@@ERYN__We don't know how many times THEY tried, nor how many times OTHERS tried. There may really have been a million shots taken to get this 1-in-a-million occurrence. 🤷♀️
I do not have the words to communicate how much I despise people who lie about being assaulted. People already think that actual victims are full of shit. People treat us like trash. And then there are individuals like Daisy who decide to make it more difficult and add to the stigma and bullshit as if there lies aren't impacting real people
The real blame lies with perpetraitors, not with victims. Nobody chooses to be a victim and may react different to their trauma. They don't owe anyone a certain behaviour.
@@leza4453of course at the end of the day, the perpetrators have the most fault. However, people who lie about being assaulted do make things worse for victims too. It’s kind of like fake service dogs. The people who lie about their situations make things so much harder for the people who need our support.
Daisy may not have been held down and assaulted, but isolation *is* torture and it *should* be illegal and I’m not inclined to hold anyone accountable for their behavior while in long term isolation or in the time following it. It quite literally makes you crazy, no matter how you started.
I hear you HOWEVER, isolation does severe damage to your psyche so while I don't condone it, I understand where they broke mentally and did things that don't make sense. I was in solitary for only a little over 24 hours and yeah... I can see how someone would say that. I say this also as a survivor of CSA. No, it's not right, BUT there is no way she was or is mentally well after isolation for so long. Overall incredibly sad. Solitary should not be a thing AT ALL because people literally lose their minds.
@@timemachine7497 100% Isolation is a horrific experience for the psyche and it should not be something that is part of any legal system. I still don't condone what she said. It is a shitty situation for everyone
I heard a story (from a reliable source) where a pregnant inmate begged for help birthing their child, and the guard didn’t believe that they were in labor, and left them alone in a cell to have their baby on their own with zero medical attention.
That essentialy happened here on every latinamerica dictatorship. Or they did "attend her" and stole the baby. A lot of missing people here and a lot of "nothing of that happened" too...disgusting negationists of dictatorships. It was all planned here by financiated thanks to the economic support of usa. It's called the condor plan. Argentina Uruguay Paraguay Brasil Chile etc were all commanded by basically fascists killers and they formed a group to command the kilings torturrd and dissapearences of people
In New Zealand babies can stay with their mothers in prison until they are 24 months old unless there are reasons it is inappropriate (e.g. safety concerns).
In Kenya we have "prison orphanages" where babies stay with their mothers till release or four years old but under strict prison social work l supervision with a crèche for babies. Then older kids with their only parent or willing caregivers in prison go to bigger orphanages with organized visitations under supervision too. There are talks about single fathers too but things move slowly here. I hope parents get more of a chance with their babies and children even if in prison especially if they're their only family and are not harmful to their children.
@@ankebosing1968 I was referring to MDJ's reaction, around the 5:00 to 5:30 mark, seemingly in shock that the man did / was able to do this. Not trying to claim that all women would think it was a "bad thing", having sex that often, which seems, if I'm interpreting your comment correctly, to be the crux of your criticism. In my experience, women are very often of the opinion that "my boyfriend/husband has a LITTLE stronger sex drive than I do... it's no big deal", when in reality, men actively hide just how strong their sex drive ACTUALLY is, so they don't scare off their partner, or make them feel bad for how poor of a job they're actually doing meeting the man's needs.
The baby is the victim here, and she will continue to be so. Imagine what she'll go through learning this story as an adolescent. Seeing her baby picture in newspaper clippings, reliving this madness as an adult if her parents are ever released from prison.?
From the article, I'm assuming the baby went to the dad's parents because he was the one who wanted a baby in the first place. Sounded like Daisy simply agreed to be his surrogate. Could also be something in their family dynamics; maybe it was determined his parents were best equipped to take care of the baby or something. But friggin good lord. -.-
They don't have cameras in the vents I don't think it would be better if they were constantly silently watching solitary inmates that would waste a lot of their time and the inmates wouldn't go less insane
I have to give it to these prisoners tho. The creativity they develop out of sheer desperation is applaudable. If only they had used that for good on the outside
My question is, where did he get all the plastic wrap from? Did it come on his food and he was reusing it? If so, that seems like way too much plastic to put on food. Did he ask for a roll or two of plastic wrap? If so, why did no one want to know what he was using it for?
This enrages me!! 4 years of trying to conceive, timing things, legs up, multiple treatments and nothing. Maybe I'll give this yeast infection application a shot 🙄🤦🏻♀️
Did you ever think of adopting kids? Genuine question. No shame or judgement here. Some bodies just aren’t able to have babies. But there are so many kids already on this earth who need a loving mom like you
It’s so unfair that the young and irresponsible seem to be able to fall pregnant at the drop of the hat. In this case the drop of an air vent. Then other responsible women work so hard to have a baby. I hope you will be blessed with a baby soon. 🥰
@@minimaladjacent I completely understand that the time and money would be a huge factor. But is it the same amount of time energy and money as IVF? I’m genuinely asking I don’t have a lot of information on this topic and have always been curious
No, they actually have a device called the stork that has been out for over a decade to assist to get the sperm closer to your cervix and get it injected in there. It’s crazy. I just didn’t know it could be done by a vagistst applicator
@@Soberdragonfly It's much more nuanced than that. People who commit horrible crimes were often victims of abuse and neglect as kids, and then they end up just being neglected and abused as adults. I think of evil more as the force that propagates this than as individual actions or people. Yes, these people should be kept away from the general public because who knows when or if they will become safe... but I'm more for rehabilitative justice. Maybe this baby is a way these people with now meaningless existences can find some meaning? Idk... hoping that the baby ends up thriving and doing amazing things with their life.
As an aside- your nail color, shirt pattern, and hair combo look stunning! It brings out your eye color! You look very nice Dr. Mama Jones, great video :)
I still think "Opera about 'sex crazed' Duchess of Argyll that planned to have 88 naked actors is forced to limit the number to 25 over fears nude men may fall from overcrowded stage" is possibly a better headline
1) ooof, the chafing…😅 2) I’m curious about some of the other consequences of lying about having been assaulted-was there suspension, loss of pay/job for a guard, what was the cost of the investigation, more legal issues like for filing a false police report, etc.
I adopted 2 grand children. Maybe grandma is old enough to get financial help as baby may qualify for SS. I am not sing either of these 2 paying child support any time soon.
There actually was a plot on OITNB in the one of the last seasons where one of the characters wanted to get impregnated by her boyfriend while in prison. However they had been together prior to her being jailed, had help from her friends to get the sperm to her and she didn’t end up pregnant in the end
5:39 idk if anyone has mentioned this yet, but there was a story arc in OITNB about a Hispanic girl named Daya who falls in love with a prison guard and she gets pregnant, but in order to turn the blame away from the real father, she entraps this other guard into having sex with her and then claiming he assaulted her and got her pregnant. A little off from this true story but not by much.
@@HanneMary If she waived her right to a speedy trial, she certainly could be. Lots of people who can't afford a private attorney do, on account of the fact that the public defenders in most places are backlogged so deep.
That headline had me imagining something completely different, and feeling sorry for the poor vent. I was relieved to find out that they were using it as a sort of post office box, not actually molesting it.
Having them isolated for several weeks is the thing that's wild to me. We know that's a way of torture, and they do it to people who were not even convicted...
"five times a day for a month" isn't that crazy for a guy in solitary confinement lol. what else does he have to do? hell, having a daily goal x5 might even be good for the mental...
And here I go doing IVF to get my 3rd and 4th children. (currently gestating #4. ) At least our children will have a loving home with their parents to go home to, and this baby?
Praying you get your baby 🤍exactly, it’s sick. People desperately try to have kids who will adore and do anything for their children then there are losers like this who could care less and just want the attention and to be called “parents”
In Australia they under the human rights to medical treatment they were going to allow a m....er to have IVF. Even though she m.....ed someone over $50. And was going to be allowed to raise their baby in jail until it was 5. Apparently, it is no longer going ahead. But the fact it was allowed to get as far as it did fully shocks me.
There was a slightly similar plot thread in Criminal minds, in the season 12 finale. But the supposed father wasn't in prison and was assaulted. It wasn't real, though.
If its too incredulous to be true, it probably is.. 1) they could feed bedsheets through air vents, 2) had access to plastic wrap - which would be considered a risk item inmates could use to potentially harm themselves, 3) prison food wrapped in plastic wrap, 4) all while in isolation, whete guards would be keeping a closer eye on them than if they were in general population....
That's not a "miracle" that's a "bizarracle" 😱 They certainly have proven that they have disregard for human lives through and through. I'm so incredibly sorry for that child. She'll have to find out the ppl who created her are this degree of dehumanising AND convicted, once she's old enough to process the information 😖 Not to mention the damage that woman did to real survivors of sexual abuse. It's just awful.
I think Joan would pronounce his name a little differently like it would be "Joh-An" . I am not totally sure but that is how the Spanish speaking community would say it.
I mean at least there is consent in this story…between the alleged murderers. So in a way it’s nicer than the virgin Mary’s situation. I mean neither is great, but between the two scenarios.
13:18 okay, but I am mostly just perplexed by the use of "lumbered" here.... Can't say I've seen it used in quite this way before. Trying to decide if it's the version synonymous with encumbered, or if it's new slang.... 🤔
Pastor here, and I’m preaching my way through Mary’s story this month. I can 100% confirm that those details are definitely left out of the Bible 😂 (One of my delights in the seasons of Advent and Christmas is when I get to fact-check my sermons with my cousin who is an OB-GYN!)
I'm an optimistic person. I like to think that the grandparents have the chance to raise this baby better than they raised their parents. While the inmates allegedly did awful things, the baby is precious.
regarding grandparents on dad's side: either a) they meant Daisy's grandparents on her dad's side or b) she gave it to the father's parents because he wanted the baby and she maybe didn't? (you mentioned that he had a wish to have a child and not her)
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It's almost like Daisy got pregnant by pollination. Very fitting to her name 😄 Also, the man was working like a bee - 5 x times/day a month? 😂
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I mean, what else is there to do in isolation?
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He must have slept really well
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Its always Florida...
Lmfao these days Florida or Texas it seems
We put out as many Florida man stories as we can, but it hasn't made a dent in the swarms of people moving here.
@@PrimalxbeastTell me about it! The traffic here in Tampa is 1000% worse than this time last year 😢
If all these miracles happen in Florida, Jesus must be somewhere in the Everglades 😂
@@MiaMizunoEven Jesus ain't taking that wheel..
can you imagine being a person in isolation in a third cell next to them and hearing all this? 😂
Sadly, this happens all the time. I worked in a max prison for 5 years and you heard - and seen - sex happening on a regular basis.
I'd be pissed that I didn't have popcorn.
@@danamichelle1290 Believe me I have been there and hearing other people have sex in prison from working at one, is not something you really want to experience...
Or swapping the "specimen"
well the babymaking activities wouldnt make much noise,its only the talking i think would be something anyone else could hear,and in isolation i think listening to other people must be a big relief,isolation is damaging peoples mental health and brains incredible fast,its not long ago a new study showed it is even more dangerous that we knew and we have known for years that it really shouldnt be allowed at all,many people never recover from the damage it inflicts on them.
Foster mom here.. they always try to place baby with family (even alleged) or kinship first. So it totally tracks for me why she was placed with Dad's family, even pending the DNA test. I'm sure they probably did attempt to place with mom's family too, but they may not have been willing or able take placement of baby.
I think the person that said something about separating men and women in prison meant that they thought men and women went to separate prisons. I thought they always did, too.
If they haven't been tried yet they're in jail. I think prison is separate but jail isn't, they're on separate floors/wings.
@@pollypocket3508 they aren’t in prison so that’s why men and women aren’t separated. They’re just in jail, then once they go to court and get convicted then they’ll go to prison which is men only and women only.
They separate in prisons, not jail.
@@ferninthehouse even though they haven't had their trials yet?
They usually do but these people were in jail, not prison.
This is extremely sad for the baby. It would have been funny if a baby wasn’t brought into it like if they’d got caught passing the sperm but this is just so sad for the child that’s going to grow up without their parents 😢
@ yeah that’s true. But the poor baby should have never been conceived. She’s gonna grow up feeling like she’s missing a part of herself and that breaks my heart
Imagine if the kid finds out the story of how they were conceived 😂
I hope the person who has this child is a good person and raises her in a loving home.
I hope the baby has good grandparents.
Both their kids are murderers so….
The grandparents raised murders.
I hope they're adopted to Hawaii.
Anyone else think it's awful that she was in solitary for 2 years without having been tried or convicted?
Yes.
Horrifying, I thought a few days or week was the maximum legal for mental health? Does the USA not have limits?
@@wordzmyth depends on the state I guess
MENTAL ABUSE TO BREAK THEIR PHYSC ! IMO. Total shit behavior to treat Any human so inhumane!
The USA's legal and penitentiary system is horrible. The recitivism rate is giant, the inmates are treated horribly (both in and after serving), and for some stupid reason, no one higher up is trying to fix it.
I took a lot of law enforcement classes. I want to maybe be a sketch artist. But the prison system is horrible.
Locked up, in solitary, for TWO YEARS, two whole years, two fuckin years, two entire trips around the sun, 730 days, TWO GORRAMN YEARS, before being convicted of anything, before being proven guilty, completely without a trial?! What the actual fuck. I try to have faith in the justice system, but then I read about something like this.
Hello browncoat. ❤
THIS!!!
After "gorram" I read the rest of this comment in Jayne's voice thank you lol
Aside from how wild this is, I don’t get wanting to have a baby when you know you have to give it up shortly after birth.
Right, like what even was the point of this for either of them?? Boredom? Just to say they did? What a horrifying reason to bring a human life into this world. I just hope that poor baby, if it makes it to term, gets placed with a good family that can give it a good shot at life.
They don’t care about the baby. They want to call themselves parents but they’re not. The child won’t get any present loving parenting from them. They disgust me
Isolation does make people crazy.
@@iknowyouwanttofly this is the correct answer and one that’s weirdly being glossed over in this story. Even normal prison is inhumane and likely to traumatize someone, but isolation really really fucks you up. Obviously, these people hadn’t had the best decision making skills before this, but we placed them in torture chambers of depravation and then laugh when their behavior and decisions are irrational. She may not have been sexually assaulted like she claims, but tbh that doesn’t make the facility innocent - they still did this. If we had restorative instead of punitive justice, these circumstances would never have arisen.
This would just be guesses without substance, but the guy probably wanted his genes to be passed on. It's the same mentality of guys who purposely get many women pregnant but don't stick around to raise any of them. For the woman, most likely she viewed it as an act of "love" to make her boyfriend(?) wish come true. Maybe she didn't think far in advance about what would happen after pregnancy with the baby being taken away OR she knew it would be and couldn't care less about the baby.
I watched a documentary recently about women’s prisons, and part of it was talking about the subject of women having babies in prison. This particular prison allowed low-risk inmates to keep their babies with them in a special unit until they were weaned. They were working to bring the practice to other prisons in the US because of its positive benefits. I will have to see if I can find that documentary again and share it here.
Was it called babies behind bars?
@@Lurking-Leafbabies behind bars is so funny and so sad lol
I watched one where a judge pressured a woman in jail into having an abortion included very round about in her conditions of release…just so awful
Yeah we have that in NZ. I used to work with a paediatrician in the UK who would v
visit the mums and babies in the prison near our clinic, and she said for many babies and mums, it was the best option. Set meals, healthcare, no intimate partner violence, plenty of bonding time etc. Mums and kids who were separated struggled with being torn apart, whereas keeping baby gives mum something to strive for and experience love and care. I think it's generally until 2yo.
“I feel like this is something that should be on an episode Orange is the New Black, but it’s real life in Florida” pretty much sums up the state of Florida perfectly.
I mean the other ludicrous part of this story is that this woman is too poor to make bail. She has been in jail for two years and hasn’t been convicted. She can’t make a real legal defense if she is stuck in jail where it is sooo much harder to speak to your attorney even if it is a court appointed one. She is in a very real sense being denied her right to due process because of poverty. It’s outrageous. On top of that she has been held in solitary confinement which is a form of cruel and unusual punishment that has literally been proven to drive people insane in a short amount of time. Honestly, thank heavens she found a way to talk to someone else because that helps to preserve one’s sanity. Also the mental and physical project of figuring out how to pass things through the vent would also help to preserve one’s mental health while the state is torturing you for not even being proven guilty by a jury of your peers.
I’m not saying that she is innocent but I do believe in innocent until proven guilty. She is being denied her human rights here so I don’t fault her for trying to take some control over her life.
Now, is it incredibly selfish to bring a child into the world like that? Yes, a thousand times yes. But you push people into a corner like that and they will do anything to reclaim a sliver of their humanity.
"Innocent unless proven guilty" is a privilege to be bought. As George Carlin said, you have no rights, only privileges at the pleasure of the oligarchy.
Thank you for this comment. I’ve been kinda put off by the “isn’t this ZANY” coverage of this story when it’s clearly a story of how evil our prison system is and more evidence of how forced isolation pushes people’s psyches and choices to extreme harmful places.
& she's specifically accused of ⚰️ing her EX-bf.
I have no idea what happened, but a non-zero number of women carry firearms to DEFEND themselves from ex-bf's.
You mean innocent until the courts find her guilty of the actual crime she is guilty of?
And she is entitled to a lawyer, visits from said lawyers. You don’t just get locked up and forgotten.
And here you are making claims about her innocence.
“ what she told her husband…. “I think I hit a major artery; you’ll be fine,” a video reportedly shows Link saying to the husband, who later died.pretty sure she will be found guilty,
I was in solitary for only a little over 24 hours and it damaged me SO SO SO bad. Thank you for this comment.
This new season of "Love is Blind" is pretty wild.
as someone with a very "colorful" past, who has spent many months in a county jail in Washington state, this is %100 doable, I used to drain the water in my toilet and talk into it to the cells below me, which was the male unit. We also used to send notes between floors through the vents, it's called "fishing" but the fact that they took it this far, is WILD!
To quote Jurassic Park, "Life finds a way . . . "
I knew someone would have said it. I am now satisfied. 😄
Solitary confinement is torture.
yep, no surprise that people come up with crazy schemes in that situation- people who have nothing else to do (and are being deprived of stimulus and social interaction) will come up with literally anything that can keep their minds entertained.
Yup. Horrific. I will never be the same.
If I understand neither of them had been found guilty not that human rights and dignity should stop after a trial but they're innocent until proven guilty and punished anyway
@@imsmolandangery4274 yeah idek how they’re in there before a goddamn conviction (which are always 100% accurate in the United States of course)
The story itself is wild, but I also can't believe it actually worked.
I mean, if something has a .01% chance of happening, and you attempt it 150 times, that might increase the odds to 15%. I'm not a scientist or a mathematician, but I think that's how it works. I also don't know what % it was originally. No idea if they would have stopped after a month or kept at it.
@@ERYN__We don't know how many times THEY tried, nor how many times OTHERS tried.
There may really have been a million shots taken to get this 1-in-a-million occurrence. 🤷♀️
@@ERYN__approximately 1.5% in that case. If it were successful 0.1% of the time, the likelihood of overall success would be ~13.9%.
"This should be on something like OITNB, but it's real life in Florida." Of course it's Florida
Wait, so this person hasn't even been to trial (they said "allegedly") and she's been incarcerated for TWO YEARS?? This system is so broken
"Knock three times on the (vent?!) if you want me..." 🎵
Oh dear. 😳 My RN sense of humor is 'sick' but this is BAD by even MY low standards.
“Twice on my pipe’ if supply is looow” 🎶🎵
I do not have the words to communicate how much I despise people who lie about being assaulted. People already think that actual victims are full of shit. People treat us like trash. And then there are individuals like Daisy who decide to make it more difficult and add to the stigma and bullshit as if there lies aren't impacting real people
The real blame lies with perpetraitors, not with victims. Nobody chooses to be a victim and may react different to their trauma. They don't owe anyone a certain behaviour.
@@leza4453of course at the end of the day, the perpetrators have the most fault. However, people who lie about being assaulted do make things worse for victims too. It’s kind of like fake service dogs. The people who lie about their situations make things so much harder for the people who need our support.
Daisy may not have been held down and assaulted, but isolation *is* torture and it *should* be illegal and I’m not inclined to hold anyone accountable for their behavior while in long term isolation or in the time following it. It quite literally makes you crazy, no matter how you started.
I hear you HOWEVER, isolation does severe damage to your psyche so while I don't condone it, I understand where they broke mentally and did things that don't make sense. I was in solitary for only a little over 24 hours and yeah... I can see how someone would say that. I say this also as a survivor of CSA. No, it's not right, BUT there is no way she was or is mentally well after isolation for so long. Overall incredibly sad. Solitary should not be a thing AT ALL because people literally lose their minds.
@@timemachine7497 100% Isolation is a horrific experience for the psyche and it should not be something that is part of any legal system. I still don't condone what she said. It is a shitty situation for everyone
I heard a story (from a reliable source) where a pregnant inmate begged for help birthing their child, and the guard didn’t believe that they were in labor, and left them alone in a cell to have their baby on their own with zero medical attention.
It's probably happened more than once.
It's true in the UK, so likely true in other countries.
We have lots of newborn baby deaths because of this.
That essentialy happened here on every latinamerica dictatorship. Or they did "attend her" and stole the baby. A lot of missing people here and a lot of "nothing of that happened" too...disgusting negationists of dictatorships.
It was all planned here by financiated thanks to the economic support of usa. It's called the condor plan. Argentina Uruguay Paraguay Brasil Chile etc were all commanded by basically fascists killers and they formed a group to command the kilings torturrd and dissapearences of people
In New Zealand babies can stay with their mothers in prison until they are 24 months old unless there are reasons it is inappropriate (e.g. safety concerns).
In Kenya we have "prison orphanages" where babies stay with their mothers till release or four years old but under strict prison social work l supervision with a crèche for babies. Then older kids with their only parent or willing caregivers in prison go to bigger orphanages with organized visitations under supervision too. There are talks about single fathers too but things move slowly here. I hope parents get more of a chance with their babies and children even if in prison especially if they're their only family and are not harmful to their children.
Female reaction: 5 times a day, that's crazy! I can't believe that! Who could ever do that?
Male reaction: Yeah, that tracks.
I mean, not much to do in isolation either.
As a man, that is a LOT of work
You dont know much about women!
@@ankebosing1968 I was referring to MDJ's reaction, around the 5:00 to 5:30 mark, seemingly in shock that the man did / was able to do this. Not trying to claim that all women would think it was a "bad thing", having sex that often, which seems, if I'm interpreting your comment correctly, to be the crux of your criticism. In my experience, women are very often of the opinion that "my boyfriend/husband has a LITTLE stronger sex drive than I do... it's no big deal", when in reality, men actively hide just how strong their sex drive ACTUALLY is, so they don't scare off their partner, or make them feel bad for how poor of a job they're actually doing meeting the man's needs.
He had to be putting out dust towards the end 😮
The baby is the victim here, and she will continue to be so. Imagine what she'll go through learning this story as an adolescent. Seeing her baby picture in newspaper clippings, reliving this madness as an adult if her parents are ever released from prison.?
Hopefully, once everything settles legally, her guardians change her name and give baby girl back some privacy.
🤯, crazy story. Hope the baby is well taken care of.
From the article, I'm assuming the baby went to the dad's parents because he was the one who wanted a baby in the first place. Sounded like Daisy simply agreed to be his surrogate. Could also be something in their family dynamics; maybe it was determined his parents were best equipped to take care of the baby or something.
But friggin good lord. -.-
... Well, now we've officially seen everything.
We said that in 2021.
Lmfao MDJ “from her Nextdoor prison neighbor” had me rolling! 😂😂😂
This is insane. How did the guards not know what was going on?
They don't have cameras in the vents I don't think it would be better if they were constantly silently watching solitary inmates that would waste a lot of their time and the inmates wouldn't go less insane
I have to give it to these prisoners tho. The creativity they develop out of sheer desperation is applaudable. If only they had used that for good on the outside
Thought thumbnail was clickbait…NOPE…
My question is, where did he get all the plastic wrap from? Did it come on his food and he was reusing it? If so, that seems like way too much plastic to put on food. Did he ask for a roll or two of plastic wrap? If so, why did no one want to know what he was using it for?
Or did they reuse it?
Only in Florida
Possibly in Texas as well.
When she said Florida, I said, “Of course”.
@@laurahubbard6906I agree there are some nutty people in Texas, but for the truly off the wall, bat split crazy, you live in Florida.
This really sounds to me like one or more of the guards were intimate with her, and convinced him to take the blame...
This enrages me!! 4 years of trying to conceive, timing things, legs up, multiple treatments and nothing. Maybe I'll give this yeast infection application a shot 🙄🤦🏻♀️
Did you ever think of adopting kids? Genuine question. No shame or judgement here. Some bodies just aren’t able to have babies. But there are so many kids already on this earth who need a loving mom like you
It’s so unfair that the young and irresponsible seem to be able to fall pregnant at the drop of the hat. In this case the drop of an air vent. Then other responsible women work so hard to have a baby. I hope you will be blessed with a baby soon. 🥰
@@Cabbage105 its not easy to adopt... cost a lot of money most of the time.
tried got nowhere, and hope to try again.
@@minimaladjacent I completely understand that the time and money would be a huge factor. But is it the same amount of time energy and money as IVF?
I’m genuinely asking I don’t have a lot of information on this topic and have always been curious
I’m surprised 😮 no one has thought of this before in prison. Especially women who wanna get pregnant
it happens all the time. This was county jail, not prison
No, they actually have a device called the stork that has been out for over a decade to assist to get the sperm closer to your cervix and get it injected in there. It’s crazy. I just didn’t know it could be done by a vagistst applicator
Isolation cells are just absolute cruelty.
Not to these two lol, that was their speed dating chambers like on love is blind
So is homicide. Don't do the crime if you can't handle the time.
@@Soberdragonfly It's much more nuanced than that. People who commit horrible crimes were often victims of abuse and neglect as kids, and then they end up just being neglected and abused as adults. I think of evil more as the force that propagates this than as individual actions or people. Yes, these people should be kept away from the general public because who knows when or if they will become safe... but I'm more for rehabilitative justice. Maybe this baby is a way these people with now meaningless existences can find some meaning? Idk... hoping that the baby ends up thriving and doing amazing things with their life.
Sounds like they got plenty of social interaction...
She hasn't been convicted, can't say she did the crime.
This is like Florida levels of Florida
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As an aside- your nail color, shirt pattern, and hair combo look stunning! It brings out your eye color! You look very nice Dr. Mama Jones, great video :)
I still think "Opera about 'sex crazed' Duchess of Argyll that planned to have 88 naked actors is forced to limit the number to 25 over fears nude men may fall from overcrowded stage" is possibly a better headline
Jessica Kent had an interesting take on this too!
TLC's next special "who the fu** made me" a sequal to "who the fu** did i marry" 😂😂
1) ooof, the chafing…😅 2) I’m curious about some of the other consequences of lying about having been assaulted-was there suspension, loss of pay/job for a guard, what was the cost of the investigation, more legal issues like for filing a false police report, etc.
In the words of Malcolm from Jurrassic Park, "Life finds a way." 5:17
This was a wild one! 🤭
You watched it all in 2 minutes?! THAT’S wild 🤣🥲
I adopted 2 grand children. Maybe grandma is old enough to get financial help as baby may qualify for SS. I am not sing either of these 2 paying child support any time soon.
The graphics edited into this video make it so much funnier!!
There actually was a plot on OITNB in the one of the last seasons where one of the characters wanted to get impregnated by her boyfriend while in prison. However they had been together prior to her being jailed, had help from her friends to get the sperm to her and she didn’t end up pregnant in the end
5:39 idk if anyone has mentioned this yet, but there was a story arc in OITNB about a Hispanic girl named Daya who falls in love with a prison guard and she gets pregnant, but in order to turn the blame away from the real father, she entraps this other guard into having sex with her and then claiming he assaulted her and got her pregnant. A little off from this true story but not by much.
i hope that baby gets the skill and creativeness of their birth, yet i hope they end up better than their parents.
I feel like they should have been engineers because that's truly impressive problem-solving skills.
There are mixed prisons?
If they're awaiting trial, they're probably in a county prison - which would have largely separate facilities for men & women.
I think it was County jail, not prison
Jail. Males and females are separated but not in different facilities.
Prisons are much more separated.
@ She’s probably not held in jail for one year though?
@@HanneMary If she waived her right to a speedy trial, she certainly could be. Lots of people who can't afford a private attorney do, on account of the fact that the public defenders in most places are backlogged so deep.
as someone dealing with infertility this is INFURIATING!!!!
Same it’s like couple who’ve been trying for years = nothing. Couple who are murders in prison = hey! Here is a baby!. Like tf..
That headline had me imagining something completely different, and feeling sorry for the poor vent. I was relieved to find out that they were using it as a sort of post office box, not actually molesting it.
Having them isolated for several weeks is the thing that's wild to me. We know that's a way of torture, and they do it to people who were not even convicted...
I gotta give her credit, the yeast infection med applicator method is remarkably smart. Talk about resourceful
My first reaction to hearing that headline was, "of course it's in Florida..."
Life...ugh..finds a way
"five times a day for a month" isn't that crazy for a guy in solitary confinement lol. what else does he have to do? hell, having a daily goal x5 might even be good for the mental...
And here I go doing IVF to get my 3rd and 4th children. (currently gestating #4. ) At least our children will have a loving home with their parents to go home to, and this baby?
Praying you get your baby 🤍exactly, it’s sick. People desperately try to have kids who will adore and do anything for their children then there are losers like this who could care less and just want the attention and to be called “parents”
In Australia they under the human rights to medical treatment they were going to allow a m....er to have IVF. Even though she m.....ed someone over $50. And was going to be allowed to raise their baby in jail until it was 5.
Apparently, it is no longer going ahead. But the fact it was allowed to get as far as it did fully shocks me.
This plot is going to end up on a soap opera one day.
There was a slightly similar plot thread in Criminal minds, in the season 12 finale. But the supposed father wasn't in prison and was assaulted.
It wasn't real, though.
If its too incredulous to be true, it probably is.. 1) they could feed bedsheets through air vents, 2) had access to plastic wrap - which would be considered a risk item inmates could use to potentially harm themselves, 3) prison food wrapped in plastic wrap, 4) all while in isolation, whete guards would be keeping a closer eye on them than if they were in general population....
It's called County Jail. They were in isolation prior to going to trial.
There is a documentary babies born behind bars. Where there is in the US women prison have babies, and can stay with baby short term.
That poor child is going to need therapy from quite a young age.
So glad ur covering this
"Turkey Baster" baby.
The Turkey Baster method has been around for decades and is extremely effective.
As a 34-year-old woman who is facing secondary infertility and possible early menopause. The fact that this worked so easily for them makes me SO mad.
That's not a "miracle" that's a "bizarracle" 😱 They certainly have proven that they have disregard for human lives through and through.
I'm so incredibly sorry for that child.
She'll have to find out the ppl who created her are this degree of dehumanising AND convicted, once she's old enough to process the information 😖
Not to mention the damage that woman did to real survivors of sexual abuse.
It's just awful.
I think Joan would pronounce his name a little differently like it would be "Joh-An" . I am not totally sure but that is how the Spanish speaking community would say it.
wait since WHEN are male and females housed in the same isolation unit???
The baby is with Joan’s Mom. It’s her first grandchild. They had a whole story about it on the news.
just a reminder that charged with a crime is not the same as guilty of that crime
Having heard about American cops and justice, there is indeed a fair chance at least one of them is innocent.
Of course it’s Florida!!!! Why wouldn’t it be??? Oh my god…I just cannot.
I mean at least there is consent in this story…between the alleged murderers. So in a way it’s nicer than the virgin Mary’s situation. I mean neither is great, but between the two scenarios.
This is less like virgin Mary and more like Jurassic Park because Life, uh uh uh, finds a way
Well, if they didn't have better things to do, you gotta get props for the innovation.
The one thing we didn’t try before IVF…
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7:27 "Daddy God Joan" 😂
I adore you, the comment about not remembering the story of Virgin Mary has me still laughing
WTH 😭 HOW WHY AND WHAT
MDJ first thing on a Monday?! Thank goodness!
Poor kid. I hope her baby does well.
This month has been so rough
Where did he get all that saran wrap? Isn't it a hazard for a prisoner? Like a suffocation risk.
Snack cakes
And no genetic testing to confirm he was the father, and not a prison guard okey.. .
You didn't have to mention Florida. We already knew.
13:18 okay, but I am mostly just perplexed by the use of "lumbered" here.... Can't say I've seen it used in quite this way before. Trying to decide if it's the version synonymous with encumbered, or if it's new slang.... 🤔
How seasonal!
Pastor here, and I’m preaching my way through Mary’s story this month. I can 100% confirm that those details are definitely left out of the Bible 😂 (One of my delights in the seasons of Advent and Christmas is when I get to fact-check my sermons with my cousin who is an OB-GYN!)
I'm truly impressed!!
Oh boy. Mary was also about 12 per records when she got mysteriously pregnant. That’s for another show though. 😂
I'm just not sure what the point of this is? You will never get to raise this child
They are selfish humans period
I'm an optimistic person. I like to think that the grandparents have the chance to raise this baby better than they raised their parents. While the inmates allegedly did awful things, the baby is precious.
Florida. What a suprise.
regarding grandparents on dad's side: either a) they meant Daisy's grandparents on her dad's side or b) she gave it to the father's parents because he wanted the baby and she maybe didn't? (you mentioned that he had a wish to have a child and not her)