Gonna go ahead and pin this comment due to a comment misrepresenting my position getting too much traction In this video, I make a reference to Peter 3 claiming Gwen was his "MJ". I want to say a couple things regarding this. 1. This video is a response to CINEMASINS. I am criticizing what CinemaSins is saying first and foremost. 2. With that context in mind, I compared his claim with how Peter 3 makes a similar claim of Gwen being "his MJ". My point was that, in-context, the line is bad, namely because Gwen and MJ (Mary Jane and/or Michelle Jones) have different impacts on Peter Parker's characterization. I am NOT fucking saying the movie is calling them the same person. How you people even came to that conclusion based off what I said is mind numbing, but here we are. Some of you are even attempting to make the claim that I'm missing he's comparing a love interest to another love interest, and that betrays the literal years I have put into this channel teaching media literacy through my work. You all know better than that. I would have hoped you knew ME better than that. Guess not. Anyway, Peter 3 already has an "MJ". He just hasn't met her yet, because like the comics, Mary Jane doesn't become a thing until Peter is in college. As we all can see, Pete is just graduating high school in this movie. Rather, this is his "Gwen", an extremely important character that massively impacts the mythos of Spider-Man (Peter AND Miles, now). Saying "this is my MJ" trivializes the importance of Gwen Stacy as a narrative element. I would argue that she's more important to Peter than Mary Jane is, because her death causes Pete to carefully consider how he saves people now. This was shown in movie form in the way Peter 3 saves Michelle in No Way Home, which allowed him to redeem himself. This is what I am saying in the video-- that line betrays the impact Gwen has on this characterization, something No Way Home attempted to show. I'm simply saying you need to at the very least treat those characters with equal reverence. The line places MJ on a pedestal, and says they are interchangeable. They are NOT.
I saw the point youre making just by watching the video. Anyway that quick cut off of "why did you say that name?" just made me laugh my ass off idk why. But hey nothin wrong with sandwiches for breakfast 😅 And bruh wtf was that at the end after Jeremy tried to sin the movie for Andrew being older than a high school student? 🤣 Where is that from?
I fully understand what you’re saying, but I still don’t think the line is bad. I think Peter 3 just means “I lost the most important person to me/lost my gf” and since for Peter 1 that’s currently MJ he says that line to relate to Peter 1/ so that Peter 1 can understand his pain. Anyways, love your content! Great video as always 👍🏻
I think Th3Birdman was just explaining the impact on Spidey each character had given the actually, true to Spidey story in the comics, and not the MCU or other films featuring Marvel's Spider-Man. Tobey had his own Gwen in Spider-Man 3 and his own Captian Stacey, but that was well after he and MJ got together. His point was to educate and to respond to Cinemasins, who famously doesn't know shit about comics (or much) and spreads a ton of misinformation. It's pretty clear in the video, but I understand the confusion. That's what happens when movies follow bits and pieces of the OG storyline and lines like "She was my MJ" are said.
When Andrew said “she was my MJ”, he wasn’t talking about how they were the same person he was saying that she was the one that he cared about like how Tom cared about Zendaya.
Yeah I was a little surprised that th3birdman said that; I always got the context that he meant he loved Gwen Stacy the same way that MCU Peter loved MJ. I've never encountered someone that thought he was saying they were the same person
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Not when you consider the fact that Max has been yearning for someone to appreciate him and need him the way that he has been lacking in his entire life. Even with the MASSIVE amount of deleted scenes which would’ve created such a better movie, there is still clear evidence as to why Max would have gone with Harry after he said he needed him.
Um, no? Harry appeals to Max's desire to be needed. Why would Max not trust him? And Harry is being 100% genuine here. And desperate. That's why Max can tell his honesty.
You can’t leave out the incredibly important context. Max is generally deemed a loser and unwanted by society. Being told he was needed/seen/important was an immediate way to get through to Max, which was consistent throughout the movie, to be fair 😂
Day 207 of telling th3birdman I appreciate his content. Man I'm still thinking about how this film could've been so cool if the writing was competent. The visuals, the sound track, most of the acting was really great.
That's from "Scientifically accurate Spider-Man" a spoof music video of Spider-Man. The creators also made "Scientifically accurate Catdog" and other "Scientifically accurate" parody videos
There's not a doubt in my mind Peter would've given his blood to Harry or his team of scientists to help find a cure Apparently, in the original script, that's exactly what he does, but Harry ends up as the Green Goblin anyway, making his transformation Peter's fault Why Sony decided to change this, I have no idea. I think it had something to do with heads and asses?
This video now counts as the third time I have watched ASM2 at all. Didn't stop me from cheering for Garfield saving MJ, and he's still great in this, but yeah, this particular movie... That said, I still want to see more of Daan Dehaan's Green Goblin. That man can act his ass off.
I've just always been confused at how Harry's dad had his disease for years and was fine for a while, yet the moment Harry first shows symptoms the film says he's dying almost immediately. I'm just like: 'Uh, no. His father had years to work on a cure so I would assume his son does too, right?"'
I mean, the same disease can work very differently for people. Some people survive years with cancer and some don't. Some people are mentally gone within a year from alzheimers and some aren't. Heck, some people get bed ridden because of a flu and some just get sniffles. I know they are father and son but more or less 50% of the DNA should be different.
He accelerated his own condition trying to find a cure It was basically his sense of urgency that did him in As for why that sense of urgency was there I don’t know but humanity be like that sometimes
So, people always say this Electro isn't right because he's blue but in the Ultimate comics Electro IS blue. Granted yes he starts off yellow but he DOES end up blue so saying blue Electro isn't accurate is wrong.
@@Th3Birdman Yeah, I remember your 3:11am joke from the Shang-Chi video. Staying up that late's gotta suck, Tostitos and salsa isn't enough to keep me running that late.
I agree with Th3Birdman on Tom Holland being the great as Peter Parker and Spiderman He's still a awkward nerd who lacks social awareness and nerds out at extremely scientific advancements Plus loved he was a highschooler in three movies since Peter was bit when he was 14 and became Spider-Man at 15
@@terryprice1691 Haha. Would you care to debate that topic? Far From Home is lightyears better than this movie; the Mysterio scene alone eats any scene in this movie's lunch. I'd also argue FFH has the better Spider-Sense sequence. What you got?
@@Th3Birdman I’d be happy to: 1) FFH ultimately did not feel like a Spider-Man movie to me. I’m sorry it just didn’t. People can talk all day long on how supposedly awful TASM 2 was which I’m not saying it was perfect as it was far from a perfect movie but Far From Home was also far from great. 2) The Peter Parker and Michelle Jones relationship just never made sense to me. These 2 had beef with each other in the first film and all of a sudden they’re dating each other in the 2nd movie? Like what lol TASM 2 when it came to romance Peter and Gwen definitely had a lot more chemistry. Debatably the best chemistry in all of the Spider-Man films. 3) Peter also honestly acted like an idiot in this film. He trusted someone else with one of Stark’s most prized possessions even though he barely knew him for like a week and he ends up paying for that mistake later on. I get it he’s a kid and he makes mistakes but I feel like ignorance shouldn’t be an excuse when it comes to an important piece of technology potentially being compromised. He’s also amongst one of the smartest characters within the Marvel universe. 4) Parker shows a lack of responsibility in Far From Home that kinda contradicts what he’s done in Homecoming which I personally think was a lot better than the sequels that came after them even NWH which as much as I like that film it is a jumbled mess, which is a whole other topic I won’t get into. FFH was completely derivative of what kinda person Peter was trying to be after the first film. I’m not saying heroes shouldn’t take break but when it comes to inter-dimensional threats Peter took a break and turned his back on the world when it needs him the most even though he tried to be more responsible by the end of Homecoming when it came to apprehending the Vulture. 5) The color grading in this film from a stylistic angle is just not as good as the previous Spider-Man films and is debatably the ugliest looking of the trilogy at least for me. The VFX isn’t too bad though I will admit. 6) The supporting cast is terrible and fairly forgettable maybe with the exception of Ned. 7) They cut a certain amount of scenes from the movie that could’ve added more depth to it but didn’t keep in the final product for whatever reason. 8) The comedy is really stale and generic 9) The focus on certain plot points isn’t shifted well enough and fails to really capitalize on them which is the trip, Peter grieving over Tony’s death, the world ending plot point, Peter’s crush on MJ) It’s all really just one dimensional. 10) With Nick Fury and Peter Parker both being a Skrull due to Secret Invasion it makes things even more complicated with having their decisions being out of character. 11) The whole concept of EDITH was stupid and should’ve never been a topic of discussion to begin with. FFH makes Tony act OOC by creating a death machine that executes anything at a words command and making controls easily transferrable, and most of all giving it to Peter when he acknowledged that Peter didn't need it (also brings up holes for EG but that's a whole different issue). 12) As for Mysterio. He was a mere shadow of who he was supposed to be in the comics and even in the tv shows. I do realize some twists in the character’s origins have to made for modern day media but I feel they could’ve done anything than just making him an ex Stark employee. The effects of how his suit works was also pretty inconsistent as cool as some of the effects were, it didn’t entirely make sense to me. Even in Spectacular Spider-Man they gave the character a bit more depth while also making him fun and a bit more interesting.
@@terryprice1691 "FFH ultimately did not feel like a Spider-Man movie to me. I’m sorry it just didn’t" So I asked would you like to debate this topic, and you begin with a subjective value judgement that you don't even substantiate. Um... would you like to support this claim? What makes something feel like a Spider-Man movie and why does Far From Home fail to meet this criteria? You can't just say things-- you need to back them up. "The Peter Parker and Michelle Jones relationship just never made sense to me. These 2 had beef with each other in the first film and all of a sudden they’re dating each other in the 2nd movie?" Couple things. 1. "Having beef" with each other is a classic sign that a man and woman (boy and girl?) like each other. This concept is as old as time. Homecoming established that Michelle liked Peter from the sidelines the whole time, as she was following his attempts at wooing Vulture's daughter. Women being mean to you for no apparent reason is a sign they might like you: th-cam.com/video/stfw5vMmTcU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zP7ykOPcAf2BI7Dy 2. They weren't "all of a sudden" dating in the second movie. They (meaning Peter) began developing feelings for her due to proximity, and as I already stated, Michelle clearly already liked him since Homecoming. I mean, how long do you think this should take, exactly? Gwen and Peter 3 began dating within the span of a single film, and Mary Jane and Peter 2 were kissing upside down about an hour in the first film. But let me guess, those count... because? "when it came to romance Peter and Gwen definitely had a lot more chemistry" You know Tom Holland and Zendaya are... actually dating in real life, right? It doesn't get more "chemistry" than real life. If you're going to claim they're more awkward, then that would be a result of really good acting, as, again, they actually like each other in reality. "Peter also honestly acted like an idiot in this film" Oh boy, here we go. "He trusted someone else with one of Stark’s most prized possessions even though he barely knew him for like a week and he ends up paying for that mistake later on" You're making that up. Those glasses were NOT one of Stark's "most prized possessions". Like, what? 😂 Where did you get that from? Further, you're removing the actions from their context. Mysterio was brought to Peter's attention by someone he ACTUALLY trusts-- Nick Fury (in reality, a disguised Talos). If Nick says you can trust this guy, you can probably trust that guy. He was fooled by the master of illusions; this is CLASSIC Spider-Man. Why do you think Mysterio is one of Spider-Man's greatest foes, and why he's featured in every other Spider-Man game? This ain't The Wall-- Mysterio being able to manipulate Parker is in-character for both characters. "Parker shows a lack of responsibility in Far From Home that kinda contradicts what he’s done in Homecoming" This is another claim you have not substantiated. How did he show a lack of responsibility? By leaving the tech in the hands of (who he thought) was a more capable entity in the "hero of the multiverse" Mysterio? Peter is still a kid dealing with high school issues. Tony should have never left him the glasses in the first place. And showing a lack of responsibility is a very interesting set of words when you're literally defending The Amazing Spider-Man 2 and claiming Far From Home doesn't feel like a Spider-Man movie. Um, did you listen to the rant Birdman went on in this video about Peter 3 bailing on a friend, leading him to become the Green Goblin which resulted in the freeing of Electro and the death of Gwen Stacy? A death that effected him so much, he literally stopped fighting crime for 5 months? You mean THAT lack of responsibility? What about in Spider-Man 2, when Peter 2 decides to abandon being Spider-Man and let criminals run amok in NYC? Remember the hot dog scene? If you're going to claim Peter 1 has a lack of responsibility for giving up the glasses and THAT makes his movie not feel like a Spider-Man movie, then Spider-Man 2 and TASM2 are BOTH out of the running as Spider-Man movies. You can't have it both ways. "The color grading in this film from a stylistic angle is just not as good as the previous Spider-Man films and is debatably the ugliest looking of the trilogy at least for me" Another subjective value judgement. One could argue TASM2 is over sharpened and the cgi looks unrealistic (Jeremy literally does this in THIS video). This means nothing. You like blue, I like red. There is no argument here. "The supporting cast is terrible and fairly forgettable maybe with the exception of Ned" Another subjective value judgement. Since Far From Home has a MUCH higher audience score than TASM2, one could argue that you are in the extreme minority with this take. Hell, the VAST majority of people that talk about TASM2 dislike Paul Giamatti's Rhino, Jamie Foxx's Electro and Dane's Green Goblin. Literally no one likes these characters until people like you retroactively attempt to use this movie to shit on Tom's Spider-Man films. The only characters that consistently receive any positive feedback are Gwen and Peter. Like, name literally ANY other character in this movie that people other than yourself actually like. You can't and I know you can't because this movie has been getting shit on since it released, and I saw it in theaters the day it came out. "They cut a certain amount of scenes from the movie that could’ve added more depth to it but didn’t keep in the final product for whatever reason." And? "The comedy is really stale and generic" I don't think you understand the concept of a debate, and why you need to substantiate claims with evidence. You're just telling me "I didn't like a thing". OK, great, thanks. "The focus on certain plot points isn’t shifted well enough and fails to really capitalize on them which is the trip, Peter grieving over Tony’s death, the world ending plot point, Peter’s crush on MJ) It’s all really just one dimensional." OK, explain HOW. You need to learn how to SUBSTANTIATE YOUR CLAIMS. "With Nick Fury and Peter Parker both being a Skrull due to Secret Invasion it makes things even more complicated with having their decisions being out of character." This is hilarious given Talos was literally following the orders of Nick Fury himself. And since when was Peter Parker a Skrull? What??? "The whole concept of EDITH was stupid and should’ve never been a topic of discussion to begin with. FFH makes Tony act OOC by creating a death machine that executes anything at a words command and making controls easily transferrable" You are demonstrably wrong. Tony's entire arc has been him wanting to create a "suit of armor around the world". He literally said that aloud twice in these films, and was his main point of contention with wanting to sign the Accords in Civil War. EDITH was another manifestation of the same idea he was trying to implement with Ultron. Do you even watch these films or are you half asleep in them? It's the MCU, the "U" standing for universe. Everything is connected, and everything matters. "As for Mysterio. He was a mere shadow of who he was supposed to be in the comics and even in the tv shows. I do realize some twists in the character’s origins have to made for modern day media but I feel they could’ve done anything than just making him an ex Stark employee" Yeah but this is an "issue" (if we're calling it one) for the entirety of the MCU, not Far From Home. Everything is connected to Tony. Vision doesn't exist without Stark. Wanda and Quicksilver are a thing because of Stark's weapons. The Mandarin is a thing because of Tony. Avengers tower is a repurposed Stark Industries building. Blaming Far From Home for things that the MCU has established is a weak criticism. The entirety of the MCU revolved around Stark for 10 years.
I can't say enough how much I love when you do spidey vids. You're such a well of spidey lore it's amazing. Thank you from the bottom of this little spidey nerd's heart, birdman 🫡
If I remember correctly the entire reason this movie and the one beofre it exists. Was so Sony could hold on to the rights for Spider-Man. That would explain why a lot of it just seems to fall flat and nonsensical. Which is a shame, since Andrew made a good Spider-Man he was just held back by terrible writing.
Hey Th3Birdman, just wanted to say I really appreciate you and your content. Things have been rough lately, and these videos have been a huge help getting me to relax and take my mind off of things. Keep up the great work 💜
"That's the best way to beat an invincible superhero -- go after the people he loves to break him mentally, because it's nearly impossible to do so physically" You can see this play out in the Injustice: God's Among Us video game and Injustice film. Joker uses a custom gas that makes Superman see Doomsday and he immediately grabs him and sends him into space without a second thought. It wasn't until he was free of the gas he realized it wasn't Doomsday but his pregnant wife, Lois (Kent?). This broke Superman to a point where he enacted mob justice on Joker, and sent him on a path of destruction in his universe. Personally, I didn't much care for the film's depiction of Superman, but I did have to commend the writing. The way he panicked when he learned Joker had Lois helped make me believe this arguably weaker version of Superman (mentally, I mean) would spiral into chaos after his own 'one bad day'. No Way Home kind of suggests something of sort with Peter 3 when he says he 'stopped pulling his punches', although SONY probably would look at Regime Superman, hit their head and think "y din't we dink a dat?" lol.
Jamie Foxx is fire. Collateral is hugely underrated or at least not brought up enough in movie conversations
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7:47 Another thing wrong with this sin: Although MJ was the one that broke up with Peter in the Raimi Trilogy, that universe's Gwen was played by Bryce Dallas Howard.
Also makes sense when this is the previous Present Birdman who admitted to liking Emma Stone (and Zoe Doitch, probably butchered her last name) in the Zombieland 2 video.
Hey Spiderman did do some sciencing in this movie, he glued 2 magnets to his webshooters so they don't get fried, I mean he had to watch a youtube video to do it but that totally maybe counts.
Hey Birdman, I just graduated AF basic training and now I'm in tech school. I'm going through a super tough time rn with all the stress and going through a hard breakup with my ex-fiancé. But it makes my day to be able to watch your videos and especially having some to catch up on to fill my time. Thanks bro.
Hey man don't diss breakfast sandwiches. When mcdonalds won't give me breakfast at 10:31 in the f*cking morning i gotta eat whatever i have in my fridge
11:18 Wow, that’s probably the most amount of respect I heard someone give the first TASM Considering most people either thinks it’s just ok or just bad
16:40. I agree with you on Spider-Man 3, and the original Spider-Man but Im just curious what you're opinion is on the train scene or when Spider-Man saves MJ from falling debris and continues to hold it while he confesses his true indentity to her in Spider-Man 2? While they are the exceptions for sure, I still believe they justify fairly well the strength that Spider-Man has. You know more about comic Spider-Man than I do though, so what is your take on this?
Yup he also loves pb and chocolate, caramel and marshmallows and he also eats lettuce and cheese on his sandwiches so Aunt May giving him a lettuce sandwich is comic accurate
The worst part of that hand washing scene is the fact that He's washing every part of his hand but where the blood is, and it is messing with my anxiety, and OCD.😂
"Every single one of these cars have an Alarm" ...Yes, cause as you're aware, this takes place in New York, if you're a car owner Without a Car Alarm in gods damned NY, you deserve to have your sh*t/car stolen. I mean seriously, it's like living in Japan Without an Earthquake insurance, you're just Asking to suffer.
@@Th3Birdman yeah, I feel the same. I dread to think about how confused (and annoyed) people would've been if they left that scene in with Peter's dad though, especially as we didn't end up getting TASM3. I really liked Andrew's acting in that scene, but it was so confusing for so many reasons 😂
Re 09:45… Mae isn’t making a big deal out of the car because she’s that desperate, it’s because he’s n it opening the door. Any time a teenager is slow to open the door, a parent will manufacture an emergency out of any insignificant concern. The issue becomes “what are you doing behind that door that you shouldn’t be”.
This could just be the nostalgia of seeing this movie on my birthday, and I know this is considered one of the worst Spider-man movies, but it will always have a special place in my heart. Also, the best part of this Spider-man series is the relationship between Peter and Gwen. Also-Also the only thing wrong with the clock tower scene is how much it broke nine year old me's heart
I believe there's a hero in all of us, that keeps us honest, gives us strength, makes us noble, and finally allows us to die with pride, even though sometimes we have to be steady, and give up the thing we want the most.
I always thought that the graduation scene in this film takes place a few months after the end of the first film and the montage of Peter saving people before Max becomes electro/Norman's death was a year or two after the graduation, since Peter is already in college by that point and Gwen is transferring to Oxford
FINALlY! Someone finally said it! This movie rushed and shoehorned so many things that simply wasn't needed. Things like what they did with their version of so called “Green Goblin” Hell the suit was barely even green. And when Harry does become “Green Goblin” he barely in the movie long enough. They should have just simply have Electro be the main and only villain.
Whats with the hate for Electro eel origin? I heard that complaint too many times. It also happens in arguably the best Spider-Man animated series! (Spectacular Spider-Man) And besides its a freaking superhero movie with comic characters.
I haven't really stopped to think about this for a while, but I must have been a very dumb teenager to agree with the complaint that Electro just getting his powers by being bitten by mutated eels was the most stupid thing everwhen the protagonist of this franchise got his powers by being bitten by a mutated spider
I might be the only one, but I thought Dane DeHaan's (Harry Osborn) role in this movie was the Hobgoblin. You mentioned in the video "shoehorned Green Goblin antics," so you might not have been referring to Harry specifically, but that's how I interpreted it. I never properly read the comics but I always thought Harry was the hobgoblin in this movie and Raimi's Spiderman 3. Am I overthinking or just stupid? Or both?
Is TASM2 flawed...yes Is Andrew Garfield still my favorite spiderman? Is Sony stupid enough to shoot off Helldivers 2's momentum for something stupid? Yes, the answer to both is yes
Cinema Sins being "right" more than twice IS OBJECITVE SCIENTIFIC PROOF that TASM2 is BAAAAD. Basically, Jeremy's observational skill used on movies are like him throwing darts at a dart board, except he is blindfolded, and the dart board is 200 miles in the opposite direction. The bigger the dart board, the more increasingly bad the movie. This TASM2 dart board IS SO MASSIVE, that a blindfolded man 200 miles, still bullseyed MULTIPLE TIMES.
The more you point out how flawed the writing for this particular entry is, the more I realize that alot of the story beats from this movie were better executed in Insomniac's Spider-Man 2, think about alot of the story beats in this film and that game and tell me I'm wrong
Sure, he's not an ideal spiderman, but he's my spiderman. TASM is the first movie I went to see in theaters. It will forever be in my heart. It's just so sad how those movies were meddled with by Sony. (Fuck em and their unending desire to rush to the Sinister Six movie as fast as possible). Can't wait to see him appear in later stuff, be it Secret Wars or something else. #TASM3
"everyone of these cars has a car alarm" I know I've said some dumb things when I was desperate to make a point but at least I've never said anything like that.
The way mfs will try to ignore the myriad of problems with these Webb films because of how beautifully shot they are and that one swinging scene to feed their mcu Spider-Man sucks narrative is baffling to me
I'm betting my money on Tom Hardy's Venom is the same universe as Andrew Garfield Spider-Man 💯💯💯💯💯 I can't wait to see Shailene Woodley MJ in TASM 3 .Her and Andrew must be perfect chemistry for both characters . I quote from Professor Charles Xavier "Just because someone stumbles and loses their path, doesn't mean they're lost forever. Sometimes, we all need a little help" . Shailene Woodley is coming back after no way home. We haven't yet seen Shailene MJ . In "No Way Home" Andrew's spider man said he didn't really find his MJ yet .Because he still mourns over Gwen . But By saving Tom's MJ gave Andrew's spider man purpose to Find Love Again . Now The 3rd TASM . I Feel like Shailene MJ is going to be a reporter investigator . like a Lois Lane / Lara Croft type and Shailene fits the bill perfectly her MJ is more daring who ain't sacred to go in Horns 🤘 🐂 first .Her Relationship with Andrew Spider-Man is going to be Fantastic. 💯💯💯💯💯🤘🤘🤘🤘Fans will know in The Amazing Spider-Man 2 they was setting up Peter meeting MJ for the first time . Shailene was playing MJ but she got cut out of the film. I think for the cast of Miles Morales Spider-Man should be Michael Rainey Jr. From Power Book II: Ghost . Tariq St. Patrick . TBH💯💯💯 He Fits the Bill Perfectly because Miles is biracial teenage son of an African-American Father and a Puerto Rican mother. Born and raised in Brooklyn New York too. Michael can probably mastered of translating English to Spanish he can pull it off . Th3 Birdman if you ain't feeling that one check out some of his movies "Amateur" on Netflix , Barbershop:The Next Cut. he was Ice cube's son in that one , "LUV" with The Rapper Common , Michael K. Williams , Meagan Good , Danny Glover , Dennis Haysbert. Lee Daniels "The Butler" Starring Forest Whitaker and Oprah Winfrey . But Michael was The Main Character in the beginning of the movie as kid . Check out his acting chops and see what you think. Oh another coincidence lol 😂 Power Book II: Ghost takes the same Place in New York too same as Tariq Character . Also Donald Glover aka Childish Gambino is in Spider-Man Homecoming he played as Aaron Davis aka "The Prowler" Miles Morales Uncle.
It may be heavily flawed, but i still got a soft spot for this movie. Defenitly carried by the opening, action sequences, and Pete and Gwens relationship though
Im a little late but I'm just gonna throw out that I alwyas felt Gwen was just a science Mj, I don't mean exactly the same but different degrees but more like a showcase of Mary Jane would usually be her tailing/stalking someone that is a bad guy trying to help Peter(usually to his detriment) while Gwen would make a cure/virus to mess with the villain (also usually to his detriment 😭😭😭😭😭😭).
You don't remember your friends from 4th grade? I remember every friend I've ever had, even my best friend from kindergarten. That's pretty sad. I ran into a girl from my 3rd grade class, Michelle Burton. She didn't remember me at all, which was weird b/c obviously she was totally down to bone: probably because I wasn't interested in her in that way. I mean she was very pretty, but... whatever. Remember your "friends!"
Just want to say that there’s a part where it’s established that Harry had been at boarding school for 10 years which would explain why he wasn’t mentioned in the previous film. You’re right about him and Norman being shoehorned in though. They could’ve saved that for the 3rd movie instead and used this film to set it up instead of just having one of spider-man’s greatest rivals show up out of nowhere.
I been waiting for someone that agreed that Holland has been our best Spider-Man so far, for basically the exact same reasons you said! Even better coming from someone steeped in the comics
Why does Jeremy or whoever writes the sins think Spider-sense should alter Peter to all possible danger and not just immediate danger? Where in any movie with Spider-man have seen seen Spider-sense just alert Spider-man because of a future danger was near him? If Spider-sense worked that way, Peter's spider-sense would always be triggering. His sense only triggers when there is an immediate danger to him. The closest we ever saw to just possible danger was in Infinity War where he reacts to Thanos' lackeys when at a distance. And I would argue that was his sense triggering to the immediate threat that arrival posed. Also, the biggest problem with this movie was Sony attempting to launch a MCU like Spider-verse without doing ground work to do that. So many connected universes fail because they ignore why the MCU worked. The MCU didn't work because they went out setting everything up to be connected. It worked because they put enough connections to pull together. You can't put all your eggs in one basket to launch a connected universe. It doesn't work. And Sony STILL hasn't learned that lesson. They are messing up with Spider-verse (green lighting 2 sequels and a spin off before the second movie was even written) and their connected universe with Venom.
Yknow, maybe because I dont know shit about comics, but when I saw these movies I thought they were pretty alright. Nothing groundbreaking obviously, but I still dont really get the hate. Maybe I would need to rewatch them more recently, I guess
I wish Andrew got better movies to be in, they could’ve gone a college age trilogy instead and made that an interesting change but it’s not the way it went
That scene was more of the webs stopping the train’s momentum than a scene of Peter’s strength. The real Spider-Man could have stopped that train in far less time. Pete is a casual 10-ton class superhero. His webs are also extremely strong. The math has been done on that scene and it came out to be at most 4.5 tons of force required to stop the train, literally less than half the amount of strength a normal Spider-Man casually walks around with PLUS discounting the webs used to stop the train. The Spider-Man 2 scene is a great dramatic scene, but it demonstrates that Tobey’s Spider-Man is the weakest of the three.
Considering he struggled to hold up a... What was it? A wall? Water tower? At the end of that movie to save MJ compared to some of the things he's been able to lift in the comics? Yeah never really put it together but that is pretty weak for a guy that's supposed to be able to throw cars around when he needs to.
@@Th3Birdman Spiderman is also the only marvel character savage hulk said "fuck this" and walked away from their fight not only because Spiderman was too fast for Hulk to grab but strong enough to go toe to toe with him
I feel like the introduction of Harry in this movie would have been okay if his goblin transformation was showed in the post credit scene and set up the next movie that didn't happen🤣 everyone feel free to disagree but it would make the movie better if only slightly
I looked it up, didn't know there a word..words, for feeling someone watching you, and why human's sclera are white. Always good to learn something new.
Gonna go ahead and pin this comment due to a comment misrepresenting my position getting too much traction
In this video, I make a reference to Peter 3 claiming Gwen was his "MJ". I want to say a couple things regarding this.
1. This video is a response to CINEMASINS. I am criticizing what CinemaSins is saying first and foremost.
2. With that context in mind, I compared his claim with how Peter 3 makes a similar claim of Gwen being "his MJ". My point was that, in-context, the line is bad, namely because Gwen and MJ (Mary Jane and/or Michelle Jones) have different impacts on Peter Parker's characterization. I am NOT fucking saying the movie is calling them the same person. How you people even came to that conclusion based off what I said is mind numbing, but here we are.
Some of you are even attempting to make the claim that I'm missing he's comparing a love interest to another love interest, and that betrays the literal years I have put into this channel teaching media literacy through my work. You all know better than that. I would have hoped you knew ME better than that. Guess not.
Anyway, Peter 3 already has an "MJ". He just hasn't met her yet, because like the comics, Mary Jane doesn't become a thing until Peter is in college. As we all can see, Pete is just graduating high school in this movie. Rather, this is his "Gwen", an extremely important character that massively impacts the mythos of Spider-Man (Peter AND Miles, now). Saying "this is my MJ" trivializes the importance of Gwen Stacy as a narrative element. I would argue that she's more important to Peter than Mary Jane is, because her death causes Pete to carefully consider how he saves people now. This was shown in movie form in the way Peter 3 saves Michelle in No Way Home, which allowed him to redeem himself. This is what I am saying in the video-- that line betrays the impact Gwen has on this characterization, something No Way Home attempted to show. I'm simply saying you need to at the very least treat those characters with equal reverence. The line places MJ on a pedestal, and says they are interchangeable. They are NOT.
Yeah, it does actually make sense and I got that on first watch. And this comes from me whose a Gwen Stacy fan all the way.
I saw the point youre making just by watching the video. Anyway that quick cut off of "why did you say that name?" just made me laugh my ass off idk why. But hey nothin wrong with sandwiches for breakfast 😅
And bruh wtf was that at the end after Jeremy tried to sin the movie for Andrew being older than a high school student? 🤣 Where is that from?
I fully understand what you’re saying, but I still don’t think the line is bad. I think Peter 3 just means “I lost the most important person to me/lost my gf” and since for Peter 1 that’s currently MJ he says that line to relate to Peter 1/ so that Peter 1 can understand his pain.
Anyways, love your content! Great video as always 👍🏻
I think Th3Birdman was just explaining the impact on Spidey each character had given the actually, true to Spidey story in the comics, and not the MCU or other films featuring Marvel's Spider-Man. Tobey had his own Gwen in Spider-Man 3 and his own Captian Stacey, but that was well after he and MJ got together. His point was to educate and to respond to Cinemasins, who famously doesn't know shit about comics (or much) and spreads a ton of misinformation.
It's pretty clear in the video, but I understand the confusion. That's what happens when movies follow bits and pieces of the OG storyline and lines like "She was my MJ" are said.
I’ll admit, I was part of the “comparing love interests” camp. Thank you for clarifying (more than you already did in the video)
When Andrew said “she was my MJ”, he wasn’t talking about how they were the same person he was saying that she was the one that he cared about like how Tom cared about Zendaya.
I always understood it like this too. In the context it seems very clear.
idk how you come to any other conclusion
Yeah I was a little surprised that th3birdman said that; I always got the context that he meant he loved Gwen Stacy the same way that MCU Peter loved MJ. I've never encountered someone that thought he was saying they were the same person
How could you think it meant anything else
I thought it was blatantly obvious😂
About Electro's theme, i really love that his theme is basically the audience hearing the voices inside his head
I love the calm clarinet at the beginning of Electro's theme in the soundtrack. And I love the build up throughout the whole song
I don’t think I’ve ever heard Th3Birdman agreeing with CinemaSins more in any other video! I never thought I’d ever see that!
He made this when he was still actually doing cinema sins right
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Honestly, I thought you were going to do the screen junkies collab version, it's just as bad.
Or in your case, with great power comes great Response Ability.
Thanks for a Spiderman video. It's like a birthday gift. 🎁
Sidenote: Kudos to you for giving Eric Bishop his PROPS!!! ❤
That Stan voice is legendary I tell you
Honest question but if there were a battle royal between all the versions of Th3Birdman who would win? Obviously my money's on Vegetabirdman but who you got?
9:25 so in a way we all have Spidey senses😎
Basically.
Got it, so Every person is a fly lol
Or insect
11:40 Also he loves chocolate and Pj sandwiches on toasted bread among other unique sandwich combos
23:50 that cracking sound will never not make me flinch...
😔
"GWEN GWEN NO PLEASE PLEASE"
Chris Tucker: DAMN! SHE AIN'T GONNA BE IN THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 3!
#RecastMaryJane. Woodley's MJ can Kiss my Ass. 🤬
He just dropped that one today and I just watched it before this 😂😂😂
4:24 Thanks Birdman. Now I gotta fire up the PlayStation because of this 😂 love those games
Yup playing it now😂
Funny enough when this film first came out, CinemaSins actually did an honest trailer, while screen junkies did a EWW.
It's shame that this movie couldn't be as good as clock tower scene.
People can say what they want about No Way Home, but *that* scene got me to tears.
Harry: “I need your help.”
Electro: “Why should I trust you?”
Harry: “I need you.”
Electro: “Okay.”
Literally the worst execute for a villain team up.
Not when you consider the fact that Max has been yearning for someone to appreciate him and need him the way that he has been lacking in his entire life. Even with the MASSIVE amount of deleted scenes which would’ve created such a better movie, there is still clear evidence as to why Max would have gone with Harry after he said he needed him.
U must be acoustic and never watched the movie
Um, no? Harry appeals to Max's desire to be needed. Why would Max not trust him? And Harry is being 100% genuine here. And desperate. That's why Max can tell his honesty.
You can’t leave out the incredibly important context. Max is generally deemed a loser and unwanted by society. Being told he was needed/seen/important was an immediate way to get through to Max, which was consistent throughout the movie, to be fair 😂
"I know what it's like to be thrown away"
“Aww man I’m sorry…” The Black community has forgiven Andrew’s Peter
What? 🤨
As a black kid in the 80s we all assumed prior to knowing he was a poor working class Jewish kid, he was a black kid
Nothing to give he's my favorite
@@Chuck_ELthat's awesome
@@Chuck_EL
Jewish? Peter’s as white as it gets, and an Atheist on top of that.
Day 207 of telling th3birdman I appreciate his content. Man I'm still thinking about how this film could've been so cool if the writing was competent. The visuals, the sound track, most of the acting was really great.
24:28 so, the scene from Doctor Strange had some merit after all. THERE'S REALLY A SPIDER-MAN THAT SHOOTS WEBS OUTTA HIS BUTT?! 😰🤣
That's from "Scientifically accurate Spider-Man" a spoof music video of Spider-Man. The creators also made "Scientifically accurate Catdog" and other "Scientifically accurate" parody videos
Ooh. I've been waiting for this one. Rip him to shreds Birdman!
To shreds, you say? ;)
@@apollolux 😂 "How's his wife holding up?"
There's not a doubt in my mind Peter would've given his blood to Harry or his team of scientists to help find a cure
Apparently, in the original script, that's exactly what he does, but Harry ends up as the Green Goblin anyway, making his transformation Peter's fault
Why Sony decided to change this, I have no idea. I think it had something to do with heads and asses?
This video now counts as the third time I have watched ASM2 at all. Didn't stop me from cheering for Garfield saving MJ, and he's still great in this, but yeah, this particular movie...
That said, I still want to see more of Daan Dehaan's Green Goblin. That man can act his ass off.
Dane DeHaan is hella GIFTED. ❤
He was the worst part of the film
21:06 “You call that saving a train? My mother-in-law’s more man than you, she’s got bigger balls too!”
I've just always been confused at how Harry's dad had his disease for years and was fine for a while, yet the moment Harry first shows symptoms the film says he's dying almost immediately.
I'm just like: 'Uh, no. His father had years to work on a cure so I would assume his son does too, right?"'
I mean, the same disease can work very differently for people. Some people survive years with cancer and some don't. Some people are mentally gone within a year from alzheimers and some aren't. Heck, some people get bed ridden because of a flu and some just get sniffles.
I know they are father and son but more or less 50% of the DNA should be different.
Out of topic!! Imagine If Th3Birdman made a EWW games like resident evil…
He accelerated his own condition trying to find a cure
It was basically his sense of urgency that did him in
As for why that sense of urgency was there I don’t know but humanity be like that sometimes
it takes years for the disease to kill. but as norman described harry at his deathbed, those years aint gonna be pretty.
Not everyone gets affected the same way by things.
So, people always say this Electro isn't right because he's blue but in the Ultimate comics Electro IS blue. Granted yes he starts off yellow but he DOES end up blue so saying blue Electro isn't accurate is wrong.
Especially considering these movies took many inspirations from the ultimate comics
Yeah, that’s not the complaint that comic fans had.
Genuinely laughed out loud at the pennywise joke. Well played birdman!
3 am tequila And a birdman drop
Life is gooood
@@theGameClown93 I swear!!
This works quite well with my insomnia! Thanks, Birdman🙂
Actually Tom best because they haven’t show how he got power in great detail lol
I ain't never seen bro drop a vid so late 💀 it's 4 in the morning 😭😭
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_zone
It’s ten to midnight for me
@@Th3Birdman
Yeah, I remember your 3:11am joke from the Shang-Chi video. Staying up that late's gotta suck, Tostitos and salsa isn't enough to keep me running that late.
not in Japan bro san
@@Th3Birdman 💀😭
Spider-Man is my favorite comic character and I am so happy to finally be able to watch a birdman video for every spider-man movie
The only good thing about this movie is it gave us Tom Holland and gives Andrew a redemption arc later
I agree with Th3Birdman on Tom Holland being the great as Peter Parker and Spiderman
He's still a awkward nerd who lacks social awareness and nerds out at extremely scientific advancements
Plus loved he was a highschooler in three movies since Peter was bit when he was 14 and became Spider-Man at 15
This was better than FFH I don’t care and that movie was even more flawed than this one lol
@@terryprice1691 Haha.
Would you care to debate that topic? Far From Home is lightyears better than this movie; the Mysterio scene alone eats any scene in this movie's lunch. I'd also argue FFH has the better Spider-Sense sequence. What you got?
@@Th3Birdman I’d be happy to:
1) FFH ultimately did not feel like a Spider-Man movie to me. I’m sorry it just didn’t. People can talk all day long on how supposedly awful TASM 2 was which I’m not saying it was perfect as it was far from a perfect movie but Far From Home was also far from great.
2) The Peter Parker and Michelle Jones relationship just never made sense to me. These 2 had beef with each other in the first film and all of a sudden they’re dating each other in the 2nd movie? Like what lol TASM 2 when it came to romance Peter and Gwen definitely had a lot more chemistry. Debatably the best chemistry in all of the Spider-Man films.
3) Peter also honestly acted like an idiot in this film. He trusted someone else with one of Stark’s most prized possessions even though he barely knew him for like a week and he ends up paying for that mistake later on. I get it he’s a kid and he makes mistakes but I feel like ignorance shouldn’t be an excuse when it comes to an important piece of technology potentially being compromised. He’s also amongst one of the smartest characters within the Marvel universe.
4) Parker shows a lack of responsibility in Far From Home that kinda contradicts what he’s done in Homecoming which I personally think was a lot better than the sequels that came after them even NWH which as much as I like that film it is a jumbled mess, which is a whole other topic I won’t get into. FFH was completely derivative of what kinda person Peter was trying to be after the first film. I’m not saying heroes shouldn’t take break but when it comes to inter-dimensional threats Peter took a break and turned his back on the world when it needs him the most even though he tried to be more responsible by the end of Homecoming when it came to apprehending the Vulture.
5) The color grading in this film from a stylistic angle is just not as good as the previous Spider-Man films and is debatably the ugliest looking of the trilogy at least for me. The VFX isn’t too bad though I will admit.
6) The supporting cast is terrible and fairly forgettable maybe with the exception of Ned.
7) They cut a certain amount of scenes from the movie that could’ve added more depth to it but didn’t keep in the final product for whatever reason.
8) The comedy is really stale and generic
9) The focus on certain plot points isn’t shifted well enough and fails to really capitalize on them which is the trip, Peter grieving over Tony’s death, the world ending plot point, Peter’s crush on MJ) It’s all really just one dimensional.
10) With Nick Fury and Peter Parker both being a Skrull due to Secret Invasion it makes things even more complicated with having their decisions being out of character.
11) The whole concept of EDITH was stupid and should’ve never been a topic of discussion to begin with. FFH makes Tony act OOC by creating a death machine that executes anything at a words command and making controls easily transferrable, and most of all giving it to Peter when he acknowledged that Peter didn't need it (also brings up holes for EG but that's a whole different issue).
12) As for Mysterio. He was a mere shadow of who he was supposed to be in the comics and even in the tv shows. I do realize some twists in the character’s origins have to made for modern day media but I feel they could’ve done anything than just making him an ex Stark employee. The effects of how his suit works was also pretty inconsistent as cool as some of the effects were, it didn’t entirely make sense to me. Even in Spectacular Spider-Man they gave the character a bit more depth while also making him fun and a bit more interesting.
@@terryprice1691 "FFH ultimately did not feel like a Spider-Man movie to me. I’m sorry it just didn’t"
So I asked would you like to debate this topic, and you begin with a subjective value judgement that you don't even substantiate. Um... would you like to support this claim? What makes something feel like a Spider-Man movie and why does Far From Home fail to meet this criteria? You can't just say things-- you need to back them up.
"The Peter Parker and Michelle Jones relationship just never made sense to me. These 2 had beef with each other in the first film and all of a sudden they’re dating each other in the 2nd movie?"
Couple things.
1. "Having beef" with each other is a classic sign that a man and woman (boy and girl?) like each other. This concept is as old as time. Homecoming established that Michelle liked Peter from the sidelines the whole time, as she was following his attempts at wooing Vulture's daughter. Women being mean to you for no apparent reason is a sign they might like you:
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2. They weren't "all of a sudden" dating in the second movie. They (meaning Peter) began developing feelings for her due to proximity, and as I already stated, Michelle clearly already liked him since Homecoming. I mean, how long do you think this should take, exactly? Gwen and Peter 3 began dating within the span of a single film, and Mary Jane and Peter 2 were kissing upside down about an hour in the first film. But let me guess, those count... because?
"when it came to romance Peter and Gwen definitely had a lot more chemistry"
You know Tom Holland and Zendaya are... actually dating in real life, right? It doesn't get more "chemistry" than real life. If you're going to claim they're more awkward, then that would be a result of really good acting, as, again, they actually like each other in reality.
"Peter also honestly acted like an idiot in this film"
Oh boy, here we go.
"He trusted someone else with one of Stark’s most prized possessions even though he barely knew him for like a week and he ends up paying for that mistake later on"
You're making that up. Those glasses were NOT one of Stark's "most prized possessions". Like, what? 😂 Where did you get that from?
Further, you're removing the actions from their context. Mysterio was brought to Peter's attention by someone he ACTUALLY trusts-- Nick Fury (in reality, a disguised Talos). If Nick says you can trust this guy, you can probably trust that guy. He was fooled by the master of illusions; this is CLASSIC Spider-Man. Why do you think Mysterio is one of Spider-Man's greatest foes, and why he's featured in every other Spider-Man game? This ain't The Wall-- Mysterio being able to manipulate Parker is in-character for both characters.
"Parker shows a lack of responsibility in Far From Home that kinda contradicts what he’s done in Homecoming"
This is another claim you have not substantiated. How did he show a lack of responsibility? By leaving the tech in the hands of (who he thought) was a more capable entity in the "hero of the multiverse" Mysterio? Peter is still a kid dealing with high school issues. Tony should have never left him the glasses in the first place.
And showing a lack of responsibility is a very interesting set of words when you're literally defending The Amazing Spider-Man 2 and claiming Far From Home doesn't feel like a Spider-Man movie. Um, did you listen to the rant Birdman went on in this video about Peter 3 bailing on a friend, leading him to become the Green Goblin which resulted in the freeing of Electro and the death of Gwen Stacy? A death that effected him so much, he literally stopped fighting crime for 5 months? You mean THAT lack of responsibility?
What about in Spider-Man 2, when Peter 2 decides to abandon being Spider-Man and let criminals run amok in NYC? Remember the hot dog scene? If you're going to claim Peter 1 has a lack of responsibility for giving up the glasses and THAT makes his movie not feel like a Spider-Man movie, then Spider-Man 2 and TASM2 are BOTH out of the running as Spider-Man movies. You can't have it both ways.
"The color grading in this film from a stylistic angle is just not as good as the previous Spider-Man films and is debatably the ugliest looking of the trilogy at least for me"
Another subjective value judgement. One could argue TASM2 is over sharpened and the cgi looks unrealistic (Jeremy literally does this in THIS video). This means nothing. You like blue, I like red. There is no argument here.
"The supporting cast is terrible and fairly forgettable maybe with the exception of Ned"
Another subjective value judgement. Since Far From Home has a MUCH higher audience score than TASM2, one could argue that you are in the extreme minority with this take. Hell, the VAST majority of people that talk about TASM2 dislike Paul Giamatti's Rhino, Jamie Foxx's Electro and Dane's Green Goblin. Literally no one likes these characters until people like you retroactively attempt to use this movie to shit on Tom's Spider-Man films. The only characters that consistently receive any positive feedback are Gwen and Peter. Like, name literally ANY other character in this movie that people other than yourself actually like. You can't and I know you can't because this movie has been getting shit on since it released, and I saw it in theaters the day it came out.
"They cut a certain amount of scenes from the movie that could’ve added more depth to it but didn’t keep in the final product for whatever reason."
And?
"The comedy is really stale and generic"
I don't think you understand the concept of a debate, and why you need to substantiate claims with evidence. You're just telling me "I didn't like a thing". OK, great, thanks.
"The focus on certain plot points isn’t shifted well enough and fails to really capitalize on them which is the trip, Peter grieving over Tony’s death, the world ending plot point, Peter’s crush on MJ) It’s all really just one dimensional."
OK, explain HOW. You need to learn how to SUBSTANTIATE YOUR CLAIMS.
"With Nick Fury and Peter Parker both being a Skrull due to Secret Invasion it makes things even more complicated with having their decisions being out of character."
This is hilarious given Talos was literally following the orders of Nick Fury himself. And since when was Peter Parker a Skrull? What???
"The whole concept of EDITH was stupid and should’ve never been a topic of discussion to begin with. FFH makes Tony act OOC by creating a death machine that executes anything at a words command and making controls easily transferrable"
You are demonstrably wrong. Tony's entire arc has been him wanting to create a "suit of armor around the world". He literally said that aloud twice in these films, and was his main point of contention with wanting to sign the Accords in Civil War. EDITH was another manifestation of the same idea he was trying to implement with Ultron. Do you even watch these films or are you half asleep in them? It's the MCU, the "U" standing for universe. Everything is connected, and everything matters.
"As for Mysterio. He was a mere shadow of who he was supposed to be in the comics and even in the tv shows. I do realize some twists in the character’s origins have to made for modern day media but I feel they could’ve done anything than just making him an ex Stark employee"
Yeah but this is an "issue" (if we're calling it one) for the entirety of the MCU, not Far From Home. Everything is connected to Tony. Vision doesn't exist without Stark. Wanda and Quicksilver are a thing because of Stark's weapons. The Mandarin is a thing because of Tony. Avengers tower is a repurposed Stark Industries building. Blaming Far From Home for things that the MCU has established is a weak criticism. The entirety of the MCU revolved around Stark for 10 years.
I can't say enough how much I love when you do spidey vids. You're such a well of spidey lore it's amazing. Thank you from the bottom of this little spidey nerd's heart, birdman 🫡
If I remember correctly the entire reason this movie and the one beofre it exists. Was so Sony could hold on to the rights for Spider-Man.
That would explain why a lot of it just seems to fall flat and nonsensical. Which is a shame, since Andrew made a good Spider-Man he was just held back by terrible writing.
Hey Th3Birdman, just wanted to say I really appreciate you and your content. Things have been rough lately, and these videos have been a huge help getting me to relax and take my mind off of things. Keep up the great work 💜
"That's the best way to beat an invincible superhero -- go after the people he loves to break him mentally, because it's nearly impossible to do so physically"
You can see this play out in the Injustice: God's Among Us video game and Injustice film. Joker uses a custom gas that makes Superman see Doomsday and he immediately grabs him and sends him into space without a second thought. It wasn't until he was free of the gas he realized it wasn't Doomsday but his pregnant wife, Lois (Kent?). This broke Superman to a point where he enacted mob justice on Joker, and sent him on a path of destruction in his universe. Personally, I didn't much care for the film's depiction of Superman, but I did have to commend the writing. The way he panicked when he learned Joker had Lois helped make me believe this arguably weaker version of Superman (mentally, I mean) would spiral into chaos after his own 'one bad day'. No Way Home kind of suggests something of sort with Peter 3 when he says he 'stopped pulling his punches', although SONY probably would look at Regime Superman, hit their head and think "y din't we dink a dat?" lol.
FUN FACT: In the East Coast... we fux with sammiches for breakfast.
Carry on...
Jamie Foxx is fire. Collateral is hugely underrated or at least not brought up enough in movie conversations
7:47 Another thing wrong with this sin: Although MJ was the one that broke up with Peter in the Raimi Trilogy, that universe's Gwen was played by Bryce Dallas Howard.
I love the joke of Future Birdman having dolls of the actresses he likes
Also makes sense when this is the previous Present Birdman who admitted to liking Emma Stone (and Zoe Doitch, probably butchered her last name) in the Zombieland 2 video.
this is proof that even when cinema sins sins bad movies, they do it badly!
Hey Spiderman did do some sciencing in this movie, he glued 2 magnets to his webshooters so they don't get fried, I mean he had to watch a youtube video to do it but that totally maybe counts.
You mean after Gwen told him to do that?
@@Th3Birdman
Yeah, that was bullshit.
19:24 PREACH
1000% Agree
Actually, I prefer Toby Maguire as the best Spider-Man
Nostalgia is a helluva drug...
@@Th3Birdman
It’s the only reason people ignore the flaws in the early MCU and say that it sucks now.
Hey Birdman, I just graduated AF basic training and now I'm in tech school. I'm going through a super tough time rn with all the stress and going through a hard breakup with my ex-fiancé. But it makes my day to be able to watch your videos and especially having some to catch up on to fill my time. Thanks bro.
Hey man don't diss breakfast sandwiches. When mcdonalds won't give me breakfast at 10:31 in the f*cking morning i gotta eat whatever i have in my fridge
11:18 Wow, that’s probably the most amount of respect I heard someone give the first TASM Considering most people either thinks it’s just ok or just bad
16:40. I agree with you on Spider-Man 3, and the original Spider-Man but Im just curious what you're opinion is on the train scene or when Spider-Man saves MJ from falling debris and continues to hold it while he confesses his true indentity to her in Spider-Man 2? While they are the exceptions for sure, I still believe they justify fairly well the strength that Spider-Man has. You know more about comic Spider-Man than I do though, so what is your take on this?
ASM #14 is the 1964 comic where green goblin was first introduced
This movie was a disappointing 50th anniversary for Osborn.
Can’t believe the temerity of Jeremy sinning Max’s music creation. The hell? That was badass!
Jeremy calling out Sony's product placement is odd since they've been doing that since the first Ghostbusters movie in 1984
11:25 To add on to that, Aunt May once made Peter a PB and J sandwich in the TV show Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes
Yup he also loves pb and chocolate, caramel and marshmallows and he also eats lettuce and cheese on his sandwiches so Aunt May giving him a lettuce sandwich is comic accurate
That last Black Dynamite edit was epic *chefs kiss*
Such a good movie! Michael Jai White was HILARIOUS! 😂
15:55 Jermey is a car thief
The visuals in this movie is way better than i remember thats probably why i loved it as a kid it was my favorite
4:24 The removal of the black bars and texts is so satisfying!
The worst part of that hand washing scene is the fact that He's washing every part of his hand but where the blood is, and it is messing with my anxiety, and OCD.😂
IDK why that save Martha bit got me, but it's 6:30 in the morning so my humor is gonna be a bit stupid right now.
"Every single one of these cars have an Alarm"
...Yes, cause as you're aware, this takes place in New York, if you're a car owner Without a Car Alarm in gods damned NY, you deserve to have your sh*t/car stolen.
I mean seriously, it's like living in Japan Without an Earthquake insurance, you're just Asking to suffer.
fuck the video absolutely ten out of ten swinging bruv
21:09 please PLEASE tell me this birdman is going to be used more , the bronx birdman lmao
1:48 yeah eff those people, someone has to since they ain't getting it anywhere else
As a upcoming comic nerd I agree that Tom Holland is the best spider man although growing up loving Tobey
I'd like to hear your thoughts on the deleted scenes of TASM2, especially the one at the graveyard where Peter meets his dad
Like the scene, understood why it got cut.
Would have preferred they left in the scene with Pete standing at the grave for multiple seasons, though.
@@Th3Birdman yeah, I feel the same. I dread to think about how confused (and annoyed) people would've been if they left that scene in with Peter's dad though, especially as we didn't end up getting TASM3. I really liked Andrew's acting in that scene, but it was so confusing for so many reasons 😂
Re 09:45… Mae isn’t making a big deal out of the car because she’s that desperate, it’s because he’s n it opening the door. Any time a teenager is slow to open the door, a parent will manufacture an emergency out of any insignificant concern. The issue becomes “what are you doing behind that door that you shouldn’t be”.
“Every fuckin one of these cars has a car alarm” ah thank you Jeremy, I really, REALLY couldn’t tell
I got into a debate with some Tom holland haters and they said that Tom’s Spider-Man changes too much from the source material 😐
This could just be the nostalgia of seeing this movie on my birthday, and I know this is considered one of the worst Spider-man movies, but it will always have a special place in my heart. Also, the best part of this Spider-man series is the relationship between Peter and Gwen. Also-Also the only thing wrong with the clock tower scene is how much it broke nine year old me's heart
Wake up Birdman dropped a new video🎉
I love the new yorker birdman voice
I believe there's a hero in all of us, that keeps us honest, gives us strength, makes us noble, and finally allows us to die with pride, even though sometimes we have to be steady, and give up the thing we want the most.
Nah, some people are just plain assholes.
@@jlev1028Well...it IS New York.
I always thought that the graduation scene in this film takes place a few months after the end of the first film and the montage of Peter saving people before Max becomes electro/Norman's death was a year or two after the graduation, since Peter is already in college by that point and Gwen is transferring to Oxford
FINALlY! Someone finally said it! This movie rushed and shoehorned so many things that simply wasn't needed. Things like what they did with their version of so called “Green Goblin” Hell the suit was barely even green. And when Harry does become “Green Goblin” he barely in the movie long enough.
They should have just simply have Electro be the main and only villain.
Whats with the hate for Electro eel origin? I heard that complaint too many times.
It also happens in arguably the best Spider-Man animated series!
(Spectacular Spider-Man)
And besides its a freaking superhero movie with comic characters.
11:46 Peter would fit in great at my family they LOVE sandwiches I think it’s a white ppl thing( no racism ofc)
7th also love the videos bird man keep it up been watching for a while now and will continue
I don't care what you say birdman, Toby's spiderman will always be the best spm😭
It's OK.
We all grow at different rates.
Mans just needs to do Cinemasins’ video on Spider Man 3 and then the saga is complete. But *Bully Maguire* is just too powerful for Th3Birdman
12:50 Tangent thought here: Would it be unreasonable to ever equate Sandman to an antlion for a loose animal connection?
I haven't really stopped to think about this for a while, but I must have been a very dumb teenager to agree with the complaint that Electro just getting his powers by being bitten by mutated eels was the most stupid thing everwhen the protagonist of this franchise got his powers by being bitten by a mutated spider
I know this movie is objectively bad, but aside from Far From Home, this has gotta be my favorite Spider-Man movie
I might be the only one, but I thought Dane DeHaan's (Harry Osborn) role in this movie was the Hobgoblin. You mentioned in the video "shoehorned Green Goblin antics," so you might not have been referring to Harry specifically, but that's how I interpreted it. I never properly read the comics but I always thought Harry was the hobgoblin in this movie and Raimi's Spiderman 3. Am I overthinking or just stupid? Or both?
Is TASM2 flawed...yes
Is Andrew Garfield still my favorite spiderman? Is Sony stupid enough to shoot off Helldivers 2's momentum for something stupid?
Yes, the answer to both is yes
Cinema Sins being "right" more than twice IS OBJECITVE SCIENTIFIC PROOF that TASM2 is BAAAAD. Basically, Jeremy's observational skill used on movies are like him throwing darts at a dart board, except he is blindfolded, and the dart board is 200 miles in the opposite direction. The bigger the dart board, the more increasingly bad the movie. This TASM2 dart board IS SO MASSIVE, that a blindfolded man 200 miles, still bullseyed MULTIPLE TIMES.
Bro gets bitten by genetically modified eels and he turns into Electro instead of The Eel (real villain btw) 🤔
Like Birdman said, this movie has bad writing.
To be fair, that's how he was born in the comics - and Spectacular Spider-Man.
To be fair the original way electro turned into.... electro was him getting struck by lightning
@@jlev1028 he was struck by lightning in the comics
@@luigiboi4244 13:13 and yet you picked one thing he actually defended. lol.
At this point, I'll just say that Tobey, Andrew and Tom's roles all lack something and aren't perfect. Waiting for ASM3. 🤞
The more you point out how flawed the writing for this particular entry is, the more I realize that alot of the story beats from this movie were better executed in Insomniac's Spider-Man 2, think about alot of the story beats in this film and that game and tell me I'm wrong
Sure, he's not an ideal spiderman, but he's my spiderman. TASM is the first movie I went to see in theaters. It will forever be in my heart. It's just so sad how those movies were meddled with by Sony. (Fuck em and their unending desire to rush to the Sinister Six movie as fast as possible). Can't wait to see him appear in later stuff, be it Secret Wars or something else. #TASM3
"everyone of these cars has a car alarm"
I know I've said some dumb things when I was desperate to make a point but at least I've never said anything like that.
The way mfs will try to ignore the myriad of problems with these Webb films because of how beautifully shot they are and that one swinging scene to feed their mcu Spider-Man sucks narrative is baffling to me
I'm betting my money on Tom Hardy's Venom is the same universe as Andrew Garfield Spider-Man 💯💯💯💯💯 I can't wait to see Shailene Woodley MJ in TASM 3 .Her and Andrew must be perfect chemistry for both characters . I quote from Professor Charles Xavier "Just because someone stumbles and loses their path, doesn't mean they're lost forever. Sometimes, we all need a little help" . Shailene Woodley is coming back after no way home. We haven't yet seen Shailene MJ . In "No Way Home" Andrew's spider man said he didn't really find his MJ yet .Because he still mourns over Gwen . But By saving Tom's MJ gave Andrew's spider man purpose to Find Love Again . Now The 3rd TASM . I Feel like Shailene MJ is going to be a reporter investigator . like a Lois Lane / Lara Croft type and Shailene fits the bill perfectly her MJ is more daring who ain't sacred to go in Horns 🤘 🐂 first .Her Relationship with Andrew Spider-Man is going to be Fantastic. 💯💯💯💯💯🤘🤘🤘🤘Fans will know in The Amazing Spider-Man 2 they was setting up Peter meeting MJ for the first time . Shailene was playing MJ but she got cut out of the film.
I think for the cast of Miles Morales Spider-Man should be Michael Rainey Jr. From Power Book II: Ghost . Tariq St. Patrick . TBH💯💯💯 He Fits the Bill Perfectly because Miles is biracial teenage son of an African-American Father and a Puerto Rican mother. Born and raised in Brooklyn New York too. Michael can probably mastered of translating English to Spanish he can pull it off . Th3 Birdman if you ain't feeling that one check out some of his movies "Amateur" on Netflix , Barbershop:The Next Cut. he was Ice cube's son in that one , "LUV" with The Rapper Common , Michael K. Williams , Meagan Good , Danny Glover , Dennis Haysbert. Lee Daniels "The Butler" Starring Forest Whitaker and Oprah Winfrey . But Michael was The Main Character in the beginning of the movie as kid . Check out his acting chops and see what you think. Oh another coincidence lol 😂 Power Book II: Ghost takes the same Place in New York too same as Tariq Character . Also Donald Glover aka Childish Gambino is in Spider-Man Homecoming he played as Aaron Davis aka "The Prowler" Miles Morales Uncle.
It may be heavily flawed, but i still got a soft spot for this movie. Defenitly carried by the opening, action sequences, and Pete and Gwens relationship though
Im a little late but I'm just gonna throw out that I alwyas felt Gwen was just a science Mj, I don't mean exactly the same but different degrees but more like a showcase of Mary Jane would usually be her tailing/stalking someone that is a bad guy trying to help Peter(usually to his detriment) while Gwen would make a cure/virus to mess with the villain (also usually to his detriment 😭😭😭😭😭😭).
You don't remember your friends from 4th grade? I remember every friend I've ever had, even my best friend from kindergarten. That's pretty sad. I ran into a girl from my 3rd grade class, Michelle Burton. She didn't remember me at all, which was weird b/c obviously she was totally down to bone: probably because I wasn't interested in her in that way. I mean she was very pretty, but... whatever. Remember your "friends!"
Just want to say that there’s a part where it’s established that Harry had been at boarding school for 10 years which would explain why he wasn’t mentioned in the previous film. You’re right about him and Norman being shoehorned in though. They could’ve saved that for the 3rd movie instead and used this film to set it up instead of just having one of spider-man’s greatest rivals show up out of nowhere.
I been waiting for someone that agreed that Holland has been our best Spider-Man so far, for basically the exact same reasons you said! Even better coming from someone steeped in the comics
Why does Jeremy or whoever writes the sins think Spider-sense should alter Peter to all possible danger and not just immediate danger? Where in any movie with Spider-man have seen seen Spider-sense just alert Spider-man because of a future danger was near him? If Spider-sense worked that way, Peter's spider-sense would always be triggering. His sense only triggers when there is an immediate danger to him. The closest we ever saw to just possible danger was in Infinity War where he reacts to Thanos' lackeys when at a distance. And I would argue that was his sense triggering to the immediate threat that arrival posed.
Also, the biggest problem with this movie was Sony attempting to launch a MCU like Spider-verse without doing ground work to do that. So many connected universes fail because they ignore why the MCU worked. The MCU didn't work because they went out setting everything up to be connected. It worked because they put enough connections to pull together. You can't put all your eggs in one basket to launch a connected universe. It doesn't work. And Sony STILL hasn't learned that lesson. They are messing up with Spider-verse (green lighting 2 sequels and a spin off before the second movie was even written) and their connected universe with Venom.
Yknow, maybe because I dont know shit about comics, but when I saw these movies I thought they were pretty alright. Nothing groundbreaking obviously, but I still dont really get the hate. Maybe I would need to rewatch them more recently, I guess
That Black Dynamite scene has a home on the hard drive that is my brain.
I wish Andrew got better movies to be in, they could’ve gone a college age trilogy instead and made that an interesting change but it’s not the way it went
The Raimi films forgot to show how strong Spiderman is? Doesn't he... Stop a speeding train? Or do you mean more regularly than that
Or the holding the cable car in film 1.
That scene was more of the webs stopping the train’s momentum than a scene of Peter’s strength.
The real Spider-Man could have stopped that train in far less time. Pete is a casual 10-ton class superhero. His webs are also extremely strong. The math has been done on that scene and it came out to be at most 4.5 tons of force required to stop the train, literally less than half the amount of strength a normal Spider-Man casually walks around with PLUS discounting the webs used to stop the train.
The Spider-Man 2 scene is a great dramatic scene, but it demonstrates that Tobey’s Spider-Man is the weakest of the three.
Considering he struggled to hold up a... What was it? A wall? Water tower? At the end of that movie to save MJ compared to some of the things he's been able to lift in the comics? Yeah never really put it together but that is pretty weak for a guy that's supposed to be able to throw cars around when he needs to.
@@Th3Birdman Spiderman is also the only marvel character savage hulk said "fuck this" and walked away from their fight not only because Spiderman was too fast for Hulk to grab but strong enough to go toe to toe with him
I feel like the introduction of Harry in this movie would have been okay if his goblin transformation was showed in the post credit scene and set up the next movie that didn't happen🤣 everyone feel free to disagree but it would make the movie better if only slightly
I looked it up, didn't know there a word..words, for feeling someone watching you, and why human's sclera are white. Always good to learn something new.
"Don't make me tap the sign" that's when I gave the vid a liek
I loved andrews movies. Sad there ain't a 3rd one. Watched all Tobey and Andrew movies for the first time this weekend.
Alright you got me good with that I'm the birdman now 😂😂
Bro just wanted an excuse to play Spider-Man 2 and I respect it