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@@pratikking2272 When theirs a Yagya or Havan, you'll hear them saying ancestry to few generations back, those are always right because they're important to be remembered for prayers. Idk about grandma 's though that could depend on grandma 🤷♂️ mine was usually right I checked with official records (Govt, British, and Vahi's) while I was compiling my family tree.
Unfortunately, most people don't seem to know how well Hindus keep ancestral records. The names of ancestors are invoked during prayers and such. At each pilgrimage spot that also conducts cremations, a Hindu would find their family's genealogical records in bound books that are kept by the priests there. Every time someone in the family has a birth, death, or goes to pilgrimage there, they are tasked with finding the priest who upkeeps their records and updating the book. These books go back centuries and more often than not 10+ generations. You'd find the name of the ancestor, when they were born, when they died, where they were born, who they married, how many kids they have, etc. Hindus also track these lineages to prevent intermarrying. A 'Gotra' is tracked via the y-line (Paternal) and individuals belonging to the same gotra regardless of whether they have any known ancestors in common or not, live anywhere near each other or not, etc are not allowed to get married to each other. This is because whether they know it or not, they indeed have a common ancestor, and marrying each other would be consanguinity which is not allowed. It's a shame that many people assume genealogy and record keeping is a norm for Western societies, but not for others when in fact there are many Eastern societies that have been record-keeping long before Western civilization. Let's not forget that the oldest scripture in the world is in fact The Rigveda, the first book of the foundational text of Hinduism, The Vedas. We have a long history of record-keeping and writing. The issue is that foreigners like to believe we're savages and don't care to learn or look for said records.
I feel sad that you still think that the majority of the world still thinks Hindus are savages. That may have been the go in the past, but enlightenment and nirvana and the whole Hindi/ Buddhist realms speak of higher beings not savages.
@@supremacy2040 they may not think of Hindus as savages anymore but they sure are ignorant to this day to most things and willingly skip over the core traditions or even un derstanding our culture as the guy mentions in the comment that they didn't care enough to figure out if there was an actual record book of Kal's lineage just in case.
In India, history is oral and precedes contemporary governing systems. The only reliable written family history for North Indian Hindus is those with pandits on the ghats of Varanasi have family details that go back centuries. The best way to get that info is to find out your paternal and maternal village and tell them of the same. It’s the Ghat where Hindus are cremated and where it’s said that souls find peace. The pandits there have been doing this for generations so they have the list of everyone who has ever gone there for cremating their dead.
As a gujarati American like Kal Penn, this was wonderful to see. I thought it would be impossible trace back that far. Glad you were able to help Kal Penn.
My family has oral and written history going back 40 generations !! Not just that. Every of those 40 generations can be described by their physical, color features, temperament, careers and disabilities. Like my 7 great grand father cut a British officers throat before losing his 3 fingers while protecting a minor girl that the Britisher tried to rape ! Another grand mother came from wealthy family that owned 300 horses at the time for the king of rajasthan. And so many such amazing history. It's now all thoroughly written and copies handed down to government archives, the priests, the extended families ranging throughout the world from US to Germany and even to one living in Greenland (possibly the only indian there)
Of course one of your ancestor was wealthy,the fact that you have a written history and also descriptios, I mean my family also has oral history of about 15 generatios, but it was my father generation that finally wrote it down . I guess because my Grandfather was the first one in the family who got a formal education. I mean it's quite wonderful that even if a family was not educated and rich, they still passed down the lineage records orally
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Hy heritage is from Punjab India and I have some orally passed down names but much about them is unknown. I do know being of the tanner caste, they were considered untouchable and often abused and denied opportunities to make much progress by higher castes individuals. Such abuse stems from Hinduism which is loaded with traditions thay support inequity within society and family structures. So what I dont know I can estimate and where we are now is travelling at a fast pace beyond those acts of indecent behaviours on others by others who claimed superiority. Gandhi was nothing more than a fighter for independence in a passive way and wanted to maintain social inequality. His greatness has been over exaggerated by those who benefited by doing so to maintain their access to best resources and opportunities in India. That world is falling away, but not fast enough. Ambedkar an untouchable was a true hero of India, his achievements and ideals are the bedrock of the only way India can ever be a true great.
Do you guys have any episodes with people tracing their ancestry through the early native Americans and pueblo people when Spain came through Mexico? I never see anyone who has that type of ancestry on these shows, would love to see it!
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I was going to say Yanomamo to one up... but then I realized many remote ethnic groups have excellent oral tradition that preserves the generation brand. For instance, when I was kid I memorized names up to 7 generation...
He is not Desi. A Desi is someone who considers themselves as an Indian first irrespective of where they reside. Kal Penn is a thorough American. He infact confirms the same towards the end. I suppose, he isn't quite proud of his Indian heritage.
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Man that is cool to see 9 generations of the family. A lot of history is there in that itself. I remember when I would go to my Dads village somewhere in southern India and over their we had graves of all our ancestors and it was interesting to learn their names and how the farmland we still have are taken care of by them
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1:47 Geneology in india is simple. Just speak to the family members on either parents side or go to places like haridwar where people register themselves after a person dies in the family.
Oh I love the name Bhatt because I was healed in India with Ayuveric medicine for fistula by a Doctor who is so amazing and takes care of his patients his name is Dr. Ramesh Bhat in Bangalore. I’ll never forget him or how the Indians treated me never.
In south india we have another way.... every family has a family diety and also a family village and a family gotra. So every person who has these things same as you is related to you in some way..... Also we have another genealogical record called "grand mother" who knows everything about the family...
It sucks because I’m interested in my family history in Pakistan but alot of my family members have passed away at relatively young ages like 45-50 years old so there’s no one to ask anymore and a lot of their records are written in old Qurans I don’t have access to.
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I have a great grandmother named Bibi Jahora Gulam Maydin who is born to an Indian Muslim Father and Malay mother. She appears exactly like a mixed Indian-Malay descent lady. One of the uncles at the mosque in Dunlop Street her dad came from Nagore Nagapattinam. and My grandmother can’t remember and don’t know much about her maternal grandfathers heritage
Wow. So many negative comments. Don't think he cares, but it's interesting to know you spent time hating someone who doesn't even know YOU exist. 😏🤣 Much success to this gentleman.
Wow that's so cool to be able to find this many ancestors in India. I would like to see Ancestry find a person's ancestors in Sri Lanka. A lot of documents are non-existent due to the war, but it'll be nice to see.
Do they find more information than just the list of name? In India that’s probably more than most people could do but for a program like this it seems like they would have had more if they made a whole episode based on his heritage.
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Unfortunately, most people don't seem to know how well Hindus keep ancestral records. The names of ancestors are invoked during prayers and such. At each pilgrimage spot that also conducts cremations, a Hindu would find their families genealogical records in bound books that are upkept by the priests there. Everytime someone in the family has a birth, death or goes to pilgrimage there, they are tasked with finding the priest who upkeeps their records and updating the book. These books go back cenutries and more often than not 10+ generations. Hindus also track these lineages to prevent intermarrying. A 'Gotra' is tracked via the y-line (Paternal) and individuals belonging to the same gotra regardless of whether they have any known ancestors in common or not, live anywhere near each other or not, etc are not allowed to get married to each other. This is because whether they know it or not, they indeed have a common ancestors and marrying each other would be cosanguinity which is not allowed. So yes, they could have easily found more than a name, but the issue is that they don't know much about Indians let alone Hindus and how meticulous they are when it comes to these things especially record keeping, in order to find it for this show. Those of us who are Hindus however, do know how to find them and I'd expect Kal does as well. After all, this is just a show for entertainment I suppose.
What was wrong with calling his lineage Indian? What and why was it ‘a vulgar American way’ of saying it? A spade is a spade is a spade whichever way you look at it.
I don’t think he was referring to the simple fact that his heritage is Indian but the idea that as an American you might feel “more Indian” by seeing a list of his relatives. In that I think he was speaking with more caution then necessary but you never know what people will say they are offended by.
Because India is just as diverse as Latin America or Europe. It’s a blend of hundreds if not thousands of ethnicities, languages and religions that calling it ‘Indian’ is a very naive way of looking at their heritage.
@@koobie83 this isn’t true. Latin America is a blend of different races. India isn’t a blend - they have preserved their cultures for centuries. It contains different ethnicities.
Cynthia Wheeler I totally agree with you - it is as if he doesn't want to be associated to being Indian - which he is. All other guest on this program have said the reverse - though American the knowing of their ancestry makes them feel more.......
@@jacobpaint I perhaps see your point. Him being an Indian and an immigrant and if he said the quite part out loud that he feels more Indian would reinforce that idea of white Americans that he is an "outsider" without looking themselves in the mirror. I can't imagine living such a life where I have to constantly prove where my goodwill lies to people.
Same for me , i have learnt names of my last 10 generation of family, during chat puja there names are called and prayed (I think) in sort of a poem way
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Your accent changes when you grow up in another culture. It's natural. Even when I go to my ancestral town and speak in my mother tongue people can make out that I wasn't born and brought up there
I would love to have this done for my family. We have done a lot of research but are stuck on one family member and more assistance would really help to crack our family code.
While many in India have a problem with people like Kal Penn who's a male homosexual but that's besides the point, oral history was primary form of passing down history at one time.
It's great that this man was able to get help to find his ancestors names and where his family is from. And on a side note I have a you tube channel type in Russell Mills May 22, 2017.
I was lucky enough to trace my ancestry, in my paternal line, back to my 9x great grandfather in The Netherlands to the early 1600s and the creation of our family name. It was pretty awesome to see back to the one who started it all for our family.
That's quite impressive, Jon! It can sometimes be difficult to uncover information going further back in time but we're delighted that you've managed to learn these details about your family history. We wish you continued success with your research going forward too!
The problem with shows like this is most often they do this for people, celebrities that can easily afford to have this done for them. They should do it for the average person.
As always, great work. Too brief, obviously. Can I just remind you that we don't *all* come from somewhere else, unless you're considering dozens of millennia.
Very cool. I enjoy his work. I do however disagree that all Americans came from somewhere else. My L’nu ancestors (what is now called the Canadian maritimes) like many North American Aboriginal peoples have an oral history as well and it says nothing about us coming across a land bridge or anything else. We were taught that we were created by the Great Mystery called Gisoolg from the dirt and were given life by the lightning. I also have Norse ancestry that came over before Columbus was born. Those Vikings didn’t all leave or die off but instead became L’nuk by staying and having children which is why many of us have pale skin red or blonde hair and blue eyes.
@@meetankushLack of records in the case of Hindus unless you're from one of the "dwija" varnas (less than 20% of the Indian population), and even then there's a problem of genealogical falsification (e.g. The Marathas bribing Brahmins to create false genealogies so that the Marathas could claim that they're Rajput Kshatriyas when the Marathas were really Marathi Shudras).
So very amazing this discovery. I would love to discover who my paternal parents were. The only thing I was ever told was they came to the USA from Lithuanian. Never spoke any English. So. They conversed with their children in their native tongue. The kids learned to speak Lithuanian and English. They grew up in Portchester, NY. This is where I it ends.
That research was quite unnecessary since Kalpen Patel's family history is well documented in Indian cities like Haridwar and Varanasi. Ancestry is trying to sell you mustard for the price of gold.
There is another way to find out about ancestors in case of Hindus from India. Most Hindus go to Gaya to complete the final rights (pinda danam) for their ancestors when their parents pass away. The priests who conduct these rituals have been doing these job for generations. They keep extensive record of families who would have visited in the past. That will be documentation and not oral history. I was once told that these priests keep history going back for over 500-600 years. May be this channel can try reaching out to those priests.
That has to be the best response of patriotism I've ever heard, and can fiercely relate to - I'm so proud to be from my birth country, but my home country is the US, through and through. It makes me feel like a citizen of the world, not just from two awesome countries.
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What a sorry thing to say. Fortunately, your experience are certainly handful of such episodes. Rest of the people have elaborate familial history all accounted for in paper and in blood.
@@kavithajoseph88 Which is nice, right? I am sure people other than me have better experiences in life and I am happy for them. Not too curious, but I do wonder if it was on purpose that your family doesn't talk about people older than grandparents. Pretty sure your family's ways were quite different 7 generations ago.
Find the last hindu/jain person in your family hirarchy and goto haridwar , you will be able to find to your earlier generation names. or find a family chain only if they are hindu/jain ask elders ( one has to say min. 7 generation during many pujas)
I love what he said about feeling more American with new knowledge of his family history. That's what people miss. Connecting with your own roots, and embracing the cultural roots of others is what America is actually f***ing about.
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His intercaste origins (Brahmin mother married to Vaishya father) are very rare in India. The census 2011 results showed that less than 6% of Indian marriages are intercaste, a rate that has remained unchanged for 40 years (although Indian media portrays it as otherwise).
Indians have been keeping their family history better than anyone anywhere in the world. If this guy would have really researched, he would have got to know that in Haridwar, Rishikesh and many other holy towns there are family priests who have such family trees for most Indians who would go for their holy city trips or during the death of anyone in the family as part of the rituals done in these towns and the family history is recorded and kept for generations..! Kal Penn could have found 50 generation back family tree if he really wanted..!
There are many people in the comments who are pushing oral histories without knowing the inherent lack of integrity thereof. The fallibility of memory, the potential for distortion and manipulation, the lack of corroborating evidence, and challenges in interpretation all contribute to the limitations of relying solely on oral accounts for reconstructing historical narratives. To mitigate these drawbacks, historians must approach oral histories with critical scrutiny, cross-referencing them with other sources of evidence and contextualizing them within broader historical frameworks
One of the more amusing discoveries in our genealogy was to discover that my sister married a possible cousin, albeit 10th cousin at that. Our 8th great grandmother maiden name is same as my sisters married name: Anna H.
At first my sister was like why are you saying i married a cousin. A couple months later i brought it up again and she laughed about it. I think she spent time thinking about things they shared.
There are genealogical records kept in India in major Temples. Unfortunately, Kal Penn has stopped associating himself as Indian a LONG time ago. Ironically, the 'vulgar American way' does show itself rather vividly in this video many times.
Oh well. It's probably easy for you to criticize as your life exp has undoubtedly been much different than his. Do you live in the US? No handbook comes with living life in a country as a minority. He seems well adjusted and comfortable in his own skin-& especially now. Maybe worry about your own Indian-ness. My guess is you have your own struggles.
@@pennPi we are not a melting pot or ethnicities but more a salad bowl. A melting pot implies individuals are losing part of their heritage. A salad bowl is we are mixture of ethnicities and cultures.
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Ancestry in India is oral. Ask grandmother's. They know everyone and everything and everything about everyone in the family tree.
And they make shitloads of mistakes.
Native Americans are like this too, my mom knows everyone and who is related to us.
Lol
@@pratikking2272 When theirs a Yagya or Havan, you'll hear them saying ancestry to few generations back, those are always right because they're important to be remembered for prayers.
Idk about grandma 's though that could depend on grandma 🤷♂️ mine was usually right I checked with official records (Govt, British, and Vahi's) while I was compiling my family tree.
@@utkarshdubey3435 Human memory is very unreliable.
Unfortunately, most people don't seem to know how well Hindus keep ancestral records. The names of ancestors are invoked during prayers and such. At each pilgrimage spot that also conducts cremations, a Hindu would find their family's genealogical records in bound books that are kept by the priests there. Every time someone in the family has a birth, death, or goes to pilgrimage there, they are tasked with finding the priest who upkeeps their records and updating the book. These books go back centuries and more often than not 10+ generations. You'd find the name of the ancestor, when they were born, when they died, where they were born, who they married, how many kids they have, etc. Hindus also track these lineages to prevent intermarrying. A 'Gotra' is tracked via the y-line (Paternal) and individuals belonging to the same gotra regardless of whether they have any known ancestors in common or not, live anywhere near each other or not, etc are not allowed to get married to each other. This is because whether they know it or not, they indeed have a common ancestor, and marrying each other would be consanguinity which is not allowed. It's a shame that many people assume genealogy and record keeping is a norm for Western societies, but not for others when in fact there are many Eastern societies that have been record-keeping long before Western civilization. Let's not forget that the oldest scripture in the world is in fact The Rigveda, the first book of the foundational text of Hinduism, The Vedas. We have a long history of record-keeping and writing. The issue is that foreigners like to believe we're savages and don't care to learn or look for said records.
Didn't know why the gotra was so relevant! Thanks for the explanation.
I feel sad that you still think that the majority of the world still thinks Hindus are savages. That may have been the go in the past, but enlightenment and nirvana and the whole Hindi/ Buddhist realms speak of higher beings not savages.
@@supremacy2040 they may not think of Hindus as savages anymore but they sure are ignorant to this day to most things and willingly skip over the core traditions or even un derstanding our culture as the guy mentions in the comment that they didn't care enough to figure out if there was an actual record book of Kal's lineage just in case.
Yes true , my mother's side we have record since 17th century, kept by her side religious gurus
I was going to comment this too but you did it waayyyy to well.
Wow, watching this after finding out he got engaged! Congrats on this amazing journey of family 💕
We're so glad you enjoyed this clip from the most recent episode with Kalm Penn! 😊
@@AncestryUS kalm penn? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@kevinoleary9361 Yeah the whole line dies with him
Kal was my favorite on House MD. So cool they (Ancestry) found so much on his mother's side! Way to go Ancestry! Keep up the good work!
I first got introduced to Kal Penn on House MD! It was so heartbreaking to see him leave the show, but now he's engaged! ❤️
He was one of my favorite actors on House as well. I just wish they would have got him off the show a different way though.
We're so glad you enjoyed this weeks episode, Bonnie! 😊
@@AncestryUS there are plenty of genealogy records in India, much more than USA or West. Only you need to consult the correct people, the pundits
Dr. Gates is awesome . I just admire him and he has such empathy and is the perfect host for this series.
I like Kal Penn he is a nice guy. I hope to meet him one day in Whitecastle
Aww hahaha come here to New Jersey, we have lots of white castles ☺️
Come to think of it it is harold's ancestry as well...
That´s an interesting way to look at it! What secrets do you think Harold´s ancestry contains?
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@@avishkumar8231 😂😂😂😂😂
In India, history is oral and precedes contemporary governing systems. The only reliable written family history for North Indian Hindus is those with pandits on the ghats of Varanasi have family details that go back centuries. The best way to get that info is to find out your paternal and maternal village and tell them of the same. It’s the Ghat where Hindus are cremated and where it’s said that souls find peace. The pandits there have been doing this for generations so they have the list of everyone who has ever gone there for cremating their dead.
Speak for yourself.
As a gujarati American like Kal Penn, this was wonderful to see. I thought it would be impossible trace back that far. Glad you were able to help Kal Penn.
I completely agree about being American. We are a great melting pot
My family has oral and written history going back 40 generations !! Not just that. Every of those 40 generations can be described by their physical, color features, temperament, careers and disabilities. Like my 7 great grand father cut a British officers throat before losing his 3 fingers while protecting a minor girl that the Britisher tried to rape ! Another grand mother came from wealthy family that owned 300 horses at the time for the king of rajasthan. And so many such amazing history. It's now all thoroughly written and copies handed down to government archives, the priests, the extended families ranging throughout the world from US to Germany and even to one living in Greenland (possibly the only indian there)
Of course one of your ancestor was wealthy,the fact that you have a written history and also descriptios, I mean my family also has oral history of about 15 generatios, but it was my father generation that finally wrote it down . I guess because my Grandfather was the first one in the family who got a formal education. I mean it's quite wonderful that even if a family was not educated and rich, they still passed down the lineage records orally
And it means even more now that he's engaged to his true love. My best and fondest wishes to Kal and his fiance.
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@@AncestryUS can I get tested again I was adopted and I don't know my family. Please
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@@AncestryUS I have tested before I will test when y'all give deals or have promos I am interested in my ancestry percentages and finding my family
@@tobehonest7541 exactly the bloodline will die with him
Hy heritage is from Punjab India and I have some orally passed down names but much about them is unknown. I do know being of the tanner caste, they were considered untouchable and often abused and denied opportunities to make much progress by higher castes individuals. Such abuse stems from Hinduism which is loaded with traditions thay support inequity within society and family structures.
So what I dont know I can estimate and where we are now is travelling at a fast pace beyond those acts of indecent behaviours on others by others who claimed superiority. Gandhi was nothing more than a fighter for independence in a passive way and wanted to maintain social inequality. His greatness has been over exaggerated by those who benefited by doing so to maintain their access to best resources and opportunities in India. That world is falling away, but not fast enough.
Ambedkar an untouchable was a true hero of India, his achievements and ideals are the bedrock of the only way India can ever be a true great.
We're happy to share these stories with everyone, Bonnie. We're glad you enjoyed it and hope that you'll learn more about your own family lines.
There are quite detailed genealogy archives in Haridwar and Varanasi
Yep.
Fascinating!!!!
Do you guys have any episodes with people tracing their ancestry through the early native Americans and pueblo people when Spain came through Mexico? I never see anyone who has that type of ancestry on these shows, would love to see it!
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Dude, just find an indian's family bahikhaata and u can trace ur ancestors literally hundreds of years
Wow, I'm surprised they were able to do this for someone Desi.
I’d be impressed if they did this for someone Chinese.
I was going to say Yanomamo to one up... but then I realized many remote ethnic groups have excellent oral tradition that preserves the generation brand. For instance, when I was kid I memorized names up to 7 generation...
He is not Desi. A Desi is someone who considers themselves as an Indian first irrespective of where they reside. Kal Penn is a thorough American. He infact confirms the same towards the end. I suppose, he isn't quite proud of his Indian heritage.
Did you mean you’re happy and excited to see your ethnicity?
@@shantanupandey5565 He is Desi AND American and there's NOTHING you can do about it.
These episodes always gets me emotional
What a coincidence! I was watching his works nowadays. Good for him that he was able to so his old roots 😌
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Man that is cool to see 9 generations of the family. A lot of history is there in that itself. I remember when I would go to my Dads village somewhere in southern India and over their we had graves of all our ancestors and it was interesting to learn their names and how the farmland we still have are taken care of by them
Its wonderful to hear that you were able to learn so much about your family history Karan. Thanks so much for stopping by, we hope you enjoyed the video!
Don't Hindus in South India usually cremate their deceased family members?
I am deeply touched with their stories. How wonderful to be connected with one's root.
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1:47 Geneology in india is simple. Just speak to the family members on either parents side or go to places like haridwar where people register themselves after a person dies in the family.
Oh I love the name Bhatt because I was healed in India with Ayuveric medicine for fistula by a Doctor who is so amazing and takes care of his patients his name is Dr. Ramesh Bhat in Bangalore. I’ll never forget him or how the Indians treated me never.
In south india we have another way.... every family has a family diety and also a family village and a family gotra. So every person who has these things same as you is related to you in some way.....
Also we have another genealogical record called "grand mother" who knows everything about the family...
It sucks because I’m interested in my family history in Pakistan but alot of my family members have passed away at relatively young ages like 45-50 years old so there’s no one to ask anymore and a lot of their records are written in old Qurans I don’t have access to.
Hi, Trippy. Thanks for getting in touch. We understand how difficult some research can be. We know it can be hard to find information when you don't have people to ask. We have an article that may have some tips to help you.
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Awesomeness! These stories never fail to touch me.
We agree 💯, Patty! The great news is that this long running show has so many different stories to explore and we look forward to each and every new season. Have you tried out family history research yourself or is it on your to do list for the future? 🌳
@@AncestryUS I haven’t made any definite plans but it is something I’d like to explore.
Great to hear!
I believe they misspoke when suggesting that "We are all from somewhere else". This negates so many people's histories...and it does seem trite.
Wow to be able to trace your family all the way back to 1700! Kal was emotional and I felt that for him.
Set up a tree on Ancestry etc and you'll likely trace back to the 1500s.
He should've been Klingo. No hate against American Pakistanis but the character should've been potrayed by an American Indian.
I loved it when the young man said it makes him feel more global; and as an American, we are all from somewhere. So very true.
Its kind of gross how everyone is saying this when Native Americans are still here they arent extinct.
Lack of records!!? Are you kidding! Ever heard of Haridawar🤦🏽♂️
The keepers of civilization have to keep selling that they are more advanced by telling others simpleton.
@@meetankush like the Brits did. True.
Kal Penn was a former White House staff member in the Barack Obama administration.
We wish you the best, Alex. Keep researching and learning what you can. Find out what other family members know and what you can add that way. We know your hard work will pay off. Please let us know as you find out new facts about your family's history.
I have a great grandmother named Bibi Jahora Gulam Maydin who is born to an Indian Muslim Father and Malay mother. She appears exactly like a mixed Indian-Malay descent lady. One of the uncles at the mosque in Dunlop Street her dad came from Nagore Nagapattinam. and My grandmother can’t remember and don’t know much about her maternal grandfathers heritage
Wow. So many negative comments. Don't think he cares, but it's interesting to know you spent time hating someone who doesn't even know YOU exist. 😏🤣
Much success to this gentleman.
As an Indo-Caribbean I don’t even know if this would be possible for me to trace back but this was so beautiful.
Of course it would. Contrary to western dumbases, we keep meticulous records of whos in our family lineage.
Wow that's so cool to be able to find this many ancestors in India. I would like to see Ancestry find a person's ancestors in Sri Lanka. A lot of documents are non-existent due to the war, but it'll be nice to see.
That's so true!
This is the generation to do it.
There are still people alive from the 1910s, how cool is that !!!
"That's a whole lot of Butts"
- Dr. Henry Louis Gates Jr.
Do they find more information than just the list of name? In India that’s probably more than most people could do but for a program like this it seems like they would have had more if they made a whole episode based on his heritage.
If they look into his caste and listen to the stories told in the village, they can get lots of material.
Source: I'm Indian
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Unfortunately, most people don't seem to know how well Hindus keep ancestral records. The names of ancestors are invoked during prayers and such. At each pilgrimage spot that also conducts cremations, a Hindu would find their families genealogical records in bound books that are upkept by the priests there. Everytime someone in the family has a birth, death or goes to pilgrimage there, they are tasked with finding the priest who upkeeps their records and updating the book. These books go back cenutries and more often than not 10+ generations. Hindus also track these lineages to prevent intermarrying. A 'Gotra' is tracked via the y-line (Paternal) and individuals belonging to the same gotra regardless of whether they have any known ancestors in common or not, live anywhere near each other or not, etc are not allowed to get married to each other. This is because whether they know it or not, they indeed have a common ancestors and marrying each other would be cosanguinity which is not allowed. So yes, they could have easily found more than a name, but the issue is that they don't know much about Indians let alone Hindus and how meticulous they are when it comes to these things especially record keeping, in order to find it for this show. Those of us who are Hindus however, do know how to find them and I'd expect Kal does as well. After all, this is just a show for entertainment I suppose.
@@panjabipandit We need an Indian show like this
Not surprising as Bhatts are generally brahmins and they do keep records, not only theirs but also their 'jajmans' or clients.
Such a blessings to be able to go that far back!!
Hi, Shane. Thanks for getting in touch. We agree. It's amazing to be able to go back so many generations and learn about your family history.
What was wrong with calling his lineage Indian? What and why was it ‘a vulgar American way’ of saying it? A spade is a spade is a spade whichever way you look at it.
I don’t think he was referring to the simple fact that his heritage is Indian but the idea that as an American you might feel “more Indian” by seeing a list of his relatives. In that I think he was speaking with more caution then necessary but you never know what people will say they are offended by.
Because India is just as diverse as Latin America or Europe. It’s a blend of hundreds if not thousands of ethnicities, languages and religions that calling it ‘Indian’ is a very naive way of looking at their heritage.
@@koobie83 this isn’t true. Latin America is a blend of different races. India isn’t a blend - they have preserved their cultures for centuries. It contains different ethnicities.
Cynthia Wheeler I totally agree with you - it is as if he doesn't want to be associated to being Indian - which he is. All other guest on this program have said the reverse - though American the knowing of their ancestry makes them feel more.......
@@jacobpaint I perhaps see your point. Him being an Indian and an immigrant and if he said the quite part out loud that he feels more Indian would reinforce that idea of white Americans that he is an "outsider" without looking themselves in the mirror. I can't imagine living such a life where I have to constantly prove where my goodwill lies to people.
It’s nice to know people so far down your ancestry, isn’t it?
I know 2 gems before my dad. Last year my dad shared a chart of 4 more generations before his grandad. All registered in india.
Same for me , i have learnt names of my last 10 generation of family, during chat puja there names are called and prayed (I think) in sort of a poem way
I tried to do that for my wedding and only went up to 4. Amazing job.
Just watching Harold and Kumar vid and I'm watching this
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It’s kinda sad that Penn can’t pronounce those names correctly.
Your accent changes when you grow up in another culture. It's natural. Even when I go to my ancestral town and speak in my mother tongue people can make out that I wasn't born and brought up there
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I like how he put it he felt more global was well said. The only original 'Americans' are the Natives.
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Huh...Indian ancestry is fairly well documented and passed on in oral tradition
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To put it in a Vulgar American way?
Virtue signaling much?
I would love to have this done for my family. We have done a lot of research but are stuck on one family member and more assistance would really help to crack our family code.
Have your DNA tested and set up a tree on Ancestry.
And here i thought Kal was Lebanese.
In what world? Arabs are Semitic and South Asians are Aryans.
Very few people have made me laugh as much as this man. Seems such a warm and genuine person too. Long may his success and happiness continue
I knew Kal in high school & he was one of the funniest, kindest people. It’s not an act - it’s 100% true. I’m so happy for his successes.
Wait his name isn't Kumar? :O
*This was such a wonderful find and revelation. SO happy for Kalpen and many thanks to Dr. Gates!*
THAT'S A WHOLE LOT OF BHATTS! 😁
So exciting for him so be able to find so many of his ancestors! 💜
I’m born in India but adopted. Unfortunately limited access to my ancestral history. I’ve taken multiple dna-tests including Ancestry, but nothing 😢
While many in India have a problem with people like Kal Penn who's a male homosexual but that's besides the point, oral history was primary form of passing down history at one time.
It's great that this man was able to get help to find his ancestors names and where his family is from. And on a side note I have a you tube channel type in Russell Mills May 22, 2017.
I was lucky enough to trace my ancestry, in my paternal line, back to my 9x great grandfather in The Netherlands to the early 1600s and the creation of our family name. It was pretty awesome to see back to the one who started it all for our family.
That's quite impressive, Jon! It can sometimes be difficult to uncover information going further back in time but we're delighted that you've managed to learn these details about your family history. We wish you continued success with your research going forward too!
We're glad you enjoyed the video!
well, if you really wanted to dig deep you could have gone to Haridwar. They are keeping a record of Ancestry for way over a couple of century
He seems so nice. Happy to hear of his engagement.
Love this!! Americans aren’t from America. We are all from the world.
If his family knew his ancestry for 9 generations, why use the programme?
The problem with shows like this is most often they do this for people, celebrities that can easily afford to have this done for them. They should do it for the average person.
actually, genealogy and dna mapping are affordable.
DNA testing is less than $100.
As always, great work. Too brief, obviously.
Can I just remind you that we don't *all* come from somewhere else, unless you're considering dozens of millennia.
Chota(small) lal was like a go-to name for the youngest son those days😂
We used to be proud of our immigrant roots... Now we hate immigrants... What has changed??
Very cool. I enjoy his work. I do however disagree that all Americans came from somewhere else. My L’nu ancestors (what is now called the Canadian maritimes) like many North American Aboriginal peoples have an oral history as well and it says nothing about us coming across a land bridge or anything else. We were taught that we were created by the Great Mystery called Gisoolg from the dirt and were given life by the lightning. I also have Norse ancestry that came over before Columbus was born. Those Vikings didn’t all leave or die off but instead became L’nuk by staying and having children which is why many of us have pale skin red or blonde hair and blue eyes.
Umm, that still implies that you're from somewhere else. You were "given life by lightening" that's from some where else.
I’m surprised that there isn’t a lot of written records, considering how long a written culture India has had.
And thanks to his movie ’Harold and Kumar’, he’s the Bhatt of all jokes.
Kumar has come a long way😉.... So good to see you thrive bud.... Oh and Harold is the lead in Cowboy Bebop
You know you're cool when you can say "I hung a photo of Gandhi with my grandfather in my office in the White House"
You could've traced his ancestors to Kashmir given that his surname is Bhatt.
A Kashmiri Pandit probably.
Dude can't even pronounce his ancestor's name properly. It was horrible. What a shame!!
I knew it. This won’t work for Indians.
Not unless you have some royal bloodline
I don't understand, why it wouldn't?
@@meetankushLack of records in the case of Hindus unless you're from one of the "dwija" varnas (less than 20% of the Indian population), and even then there's a problem of genealogical falsification (e.g. The Marathas bribing Brahmins to create false genealogies so that the Marathas could claim that they're Rajput Kshatriyas when the Marathas were really Marathi Shudras).
So very amazing this discovery. I would love to discover who my paternal parents were. The only thing I was ever told was they came to the USA from Lithuanian. Never spoke any English. So. They conversed with their children in their native tongue. The kids learned to speak Lithuanian and English. They grew up in Portchester, NY. This is where I it ends.
I hope we get more South Asian guests, would love to see Hasan Minhaj
that bit of research he just got, how much did that cost?
That research was quite unnecessary since Kalpen Patel's family history is well documented in Indian cities like Haridwar and Varanasi. Ancestry is trying to sell you mustard for the price of gold.
India has a rich historical oral tradition. Ramayana, Mahabharata, Vedas, and Puranas are some of the greatest examples of this tradition.
Thank you for sharing with us.
It is time we document in one and paper as today’s generation is not interested in carrying forward such traditions.
I hope, he goes back to using his real surname, now that his surname has some power and popularity.
There is another way to find out about ancestors in case of Hindus from India. Most Hindus go to Gaya to complete the final rights (pinda danam) for their ancestors when their parents pass away. The priests who conduct these rituals have been doing these job for generations. They keep extensive record of families who would have visited in the past. That will be documentation and not oral history. I was once told that these priests keep history going back for over 500-600 years. May be this channel can try reaching out to those priests.
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That has to be the best response of patriotism I've ever heard, and can fiercely relate to - I'm so proud to be from my birth country, but my home country is the US, through and through. It makes me feel like a citizen of the world, not just from two awesome countries.
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REALLY appreciate this as I never thought an Indian would get to know ancestry past our grandparents lol. Thank you!
What a sorry thing to say. Fortunately, your experience are certainly handful of such episodes. Rest of the people have elaborate familial history all accounted for in paper and in blood.
@@meetankush well I’m glad other ppl have better experience than myself
@@kavithajoseph88 Which is nice, right? I am sure people other than me have better experiences in life and I am happy for them.
Not too curious, but I do wonder if it was on purpose that your family doesn't talk about people older than grandparents. Pretty sure your family's ways were quite different 7 generations ago.
Find the last hindu/jain person in your family hirarchy and goto haridwar , you will be able to find to your earlier generation names. or find a family chain only if they are hindu/jain ask elders ( one has to say min. 7 generation during many pujas)
Hi Kavitha, we are glad that you enjoyed this clip. Have you had the chance to dive into your family history?
Nice!
I love what he said about feeling more American with new knowledge of his family history. That's what people miss. Connecting with your own roots, and embracing the cultural roots of others is what America is actually f***ing about.
can you guys help with the chinese
that went to cuba !? i don’t know a thing
about my great-grandfather 💔 🥺 .
Hi, Suki. We have a great article that has some great tips on ways to get past that brick wall in your research. You can access that here: support.ancestry.com/s/article/Brick-Wall-Solutions
1700s wow.
We want the Designated Surviver back!!
I love that serie so much!!
Does anybody know if they gonna air the show again somewhere in the future?
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same they did us dirty I want more
How did his family go from Bhatt to Modi?
Bhatt by the maternal line.
His intercaste origins (Brahmin mother married to Vaishya father) are very rare in India. The census 2011 results showed that less than 6% of Indian marriages are intercaste, a rate that has remained unchanged for 40 years (although Indian media portrays it as otherwise).
I gotten back as 3rd ggg grandparents. Thanks to Ancestry
Indians have been keeping their family history better than anyone anywhere in the world. If this guy would have really researched, he would have got to know that in Haridwar, Rishikesh and many other holy towns there are family priests who have such family trees for most Indians who would go for their holy city trips or during the death of anyone in the family as part of the rituals done in these towns and the family history is recorded and kept for generations..! Kal Penn could have found 50 generation back family tree if he really wanted..!
There are many people in the comments who are pushing oral histories without knowing the inherent lack of integrity thereof. The fallibility of memory, the potential for distortion and manipulation, the lack of corroborating evidence, and challenges in interpretation all contribute to the limitations of relying solely on oral accounts for reconstructing historical narratives. To mitigate these drawbacks, historians must approach oral histories with critical scrutiny, cross-referencing them with other sources of evidence and contextualizing them within broader historical frameworks
One of the more amusing discoveries in our genealogy was to discover that my sister married a possible cousin, albeit 10th cousin at that. Our 8th great grandmother maiden name is same as my sisters married name: Anna H.
Thanks for sharing, Joe! That must have been quite unusual to come across, but we hope you've enjoyed sharing this story with your family.
At first my sister was like why are you saying i married a cousin. A couple months later i brought it up again and she laughed about it. I think she spent time thinking about things they shared.
There are genealogical records kept in India in major Temples. Unfortunately, Kal Penn has stopped associating himself as Indian a LONG time ago. Ironically, the 'vulgar American way' does show itself rather vividly in this video many times.
Oh well. It's probably easy for you to criticize as your life exp has undoubtedly been much different than his. Do you live in the US? No handbook comes with living life in a country as a minority. He seems well adjusted and comfortable in his own skin-& especially now. Maybe worry about your own Indian-ness. My guess is you have your own struggles.
Umm it's because he's American. And it's not unfortunate. Yes, we are a melting pot of many ethnicities and cultures.
@@pennPi we are not a melting pot or ethnicities but more a salad bowl. A melting pot implies individuals are losing part of their heritage. A salad bowl is we are mixture of ethnicities and cultures.
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Actually it's not difficult. We have purohits who have who can have recordes as old as 20 generations