As a disabled person the narrative “I don’t let my disability stop me” is so harmful. Sometimes you need to let your disability stop you for your own health and safety. Plus saying that may encourage others to push far past their limits, something I’ve learned the hard way MULTIPLE times. The treatment of all the kids is disgusting but the treatment of sick and/or disabled kids is barbaric.
I mean, too, it’s like “well I aM dIsAbLeD aNd I dOn’T LeT iT sToP ME! YoU aRe JuSt a QuiTTeR!” Like it’s a damn contest of who’s the “best” disabled person 🤦🏼♀️😡 You do you my Kiwi Friend 😊. You are perfect EXACTLY as you are. Much love 💕
My disability is degenerative and progressive. When I first became an adult I put everything I could into my work and pushed myself to try to be successful. I'm 22 and my body is shot. I can't do half of the things I did at 15. I hate to think how I'll be even at 30 or 40. Don't force yourself to push through the pain and symptoms of your disability. It's not worth it.
Like each disability is different and has its own limits and even if you share a same disability, you might can deal with it differently than the other person and cope with it differently. It's such a damaging statement and just is used to exploit disabled people. Like sure, don't let it stop you which is why accomodations are being made to help those with different disabilities, but don't let it kill you and dance through a bleeding ripped open wound and such
The abused becomes the abuser Edit: I wasn’t saying that this applies to all people in all situations. I said this specific phrase under this specific video because the situation applies. Now please stop fighting in the replies
@@j-rodthelibrarykid1166 they were talking about this case. Of course not every victim will become abusers in the future. And also, it's not really about morals, it's more of like a consequence of the trauma itself, makes certain victims to unconsciously follow toxic patterns.
@j-rodthelibrarykid1166 this isn't about you tho. Sometimes those who were abused, go on to abuse others because they think that's normal and never learned what they endured was wrong
Not really. Yes it's used by abusive parents. But it's also used my good people. It's hard telling my kids no, especially when it makes them so sad. But the flip side would be to give in to everything and that is a horrible parent. Sometimes, as a mom, I have to be tough when it's the best thing for my child. Now my daughter is almost 17 and we have an amazing relationship. Here's an example of my tough love with my daughter. When she was 11, she flirted with anorexia. I had that and know the damage it causes. I gave her an ultimatum. She eats at least one good meal a day and fruit throughout the day or I have her hospitalized and fed 5000 calories a day through a feeding tube. She eats. This choice is still in effect even though she knows no dr would feed her a 5k calorie diet a day. The other major deal breaker rule is she must stay in contact. If I try to call her and she ignores for very long, I'm going to get scared and she will be grounded. Is that tough love? In my opinion it is. Is that abusive? Absolutely not. Maybe you mean something other than this as tough love, but I think tough love (my definition of it) is crucial to being a good parent.
Stopped supporting Jojo when she started becoming a devil’s advocate. The way she attacked Christi for talking about how nasty Gianna and Abby were to Chloe and she defended Colleen was enough for me to dislike her
I stopped when she and her mother reneged on a partnership they had with a small dancewear company owned by my daughter's studio owner when she got the Nickelodeon deal
Notice how Jessalyn is really the only one who had a positive experience on Dance Moms. Probably because she was the one contributing to everyone else’s misery.
I look forward to Christi and Kelly taking them apart..and the crap that Holly and Nia were put through...Maddie, Kenzie, Brooke, Paige, Chloe, Nia and Kendall, were raised to have manners. Despite Abby, they are not greedy either. They have grown up to be productive human beings..Jojo is stuck, has horrible manners, thinks Abby treated her well and doesn't listen...
Absolutely. It’s sickening that JoJo and Jess are repeating history from Dance Moms, something that doesn’t need to be repeated. I can’t believe, even being in that environment, that she’d do this. Sickening.
It's because monkey see, monkey do. They've seen ALM in action, and how being nasty makes you money (doesn't speak very highly for people out there these days).
@@sissysovereign1294 I agree with you. It’s a real shame. I used to feel sorry for her cause of the way she was raised, but not anymore. She’s an adult now. And she should know better.
i'm a professional dancer and there is NO excuses in "that's how the dance world is" when you hav an injury you need to rest because you dont want that the injury get worst.
I remember my dance teacher making me sit down during practice (she was VERY anti-sitting) when I was sick. I had to fight through some rough days but when it was serious it was taken seriously. Jojo and Jess have NO respect.
Right. That mentality is so stupid because it’s not even how professionals act. The same thing goes for sports, if their best player is injured they’re not gonna make them go play just because they’re the best.
True. I don't feel sorry for these kids and moms at all. They KNEW who JoJo is and how it is going to be, unlike OG girls and moms from DM, who were completely unprepared for abuse they got.
Just because JoJo never got a normal childhood and was forced to work in awful conditions doesn’t mean she should force other kids to as well. I don’t understand why she hasn’t already been charged with not following child labor laws.
Because you don't have to legally pay children for social media (laws haven't caught up and they are still thinking of children being on family channels, not stuff like this). They were paying them for rehearsals and performances, not for the things for their TH-cam channel, TikTok's etc. If that isn't things that you have to pay for I don't know how they fit into labour laws.
the moms of those children are at fault too they signed contracts for their kids to be stars after seeing how jess acted on tv and the envirmoent that shows like dance moms created for literally every kid outside of jojo. its 100% not the kids fault but their parents deserve a lot of the blame too for being naive
@@jadynariana The thing is that they had to sign the contract for before the show started, the show was pitched as it was the band starting out, getting to know each other etc (the girls thought that they had already got the job). When they started filming that was when they realised that it was an elimination show with the people left being who was in the group (even then they brought back someone who they had eliminated, lots of people think so that they could tick off another diversity)
@@amandamandamands Was jess and jojo's involvement not in the contract? I only say that because if it wasn't then the only thing ill say is that its still on the moms for signing it without knowing the full details even though that's very common in these situations they're still children
"We were afraid to speak up because our kids might get kicked off the team. We feared legal ramifications. We were under-paid and over-worked. We were afraid to be black-listed." Where do we think Jess learned those threats?
@SBBunny93 They weren't innocent, but most of them had a moral code when it came to involving the kids in the beef between the moms which Jess pretty much ignored.
This is why I can never get too excited when people start praising a child prodigy. We don't know what's going on behind the scenes, and if they're being pushed too hard for their age. Health and safety NEED to come before everything else, pushing children to work before getting proper medical clearance is negligent at best.
@@amandamandamands I guess you are right but none of the OG or the ones come later like Jojo don’t want nothing to do w her they are thankful w the Show but they never said nothing nice about Abby the only one who talk good about Abby is Jojo and her Mom …. And Giana it was much better than Abby but it wasn’t that nice she talk shit about mothers and kids w Abby so idk
Everyone always criticised Abby, and I'm not defending her, but if a kid was bleeding in rehearsals or throwing up, Abby would let them have a break. Jess truly is despicable
really sad to see jess and jojo have become an abby 2.0 but i can’t say i’m shocked considering they’ve undermined the other girls’s trauma repeatedly. but also the way she says “trained” at 3:26..yikes
exactly, like when i first saw the thumbnail i was like "this isnt shocking at all" especially when you see the way she reacted to the speaking out against the mistreatment they suffered from Gianna
JoJo has become the poster child for invalidation. She condemned Brooke for not wanting to be friends with Abby online and reprimanded Christi for speaking her truth about Gianna. She has stood by problematic people for YEARS, which has most recently shown up in the way she defames Colleen Ballinger's victims and fights tooth and nail to defend her. Now, it's finally come out that she is abusing her own victims rather than just disbelieving someone else's. She was exploited and abused her whole life and is repeating the cycle. Sad but predictable.
I almost feel like the Siwa’s are worse than Abby. You hired disabled kids for inclusivity points and the worked them to the point of illness and hospitalization, knowing full well what you’re doing is dangerous.
They went for all sorts of diversity, when the group got down to 3 Jess had said that they were looking for 2 new people. Everyone was speculating that they would hire someone blonde and someone Hispanic as that would cover the diversity (besides disabled) that they had lost. Turns out that the one person that they hired is both (don't know if she speaks Spanish though).
The only thing I will give her is that she did hire a tutor for him so that he finished school. But yes if they had been apart for that long why is it such a big deal to wait another year until he finished school.
@@emmyjo720 JoJo was home schooled her whole life (apparently did one semester in 3rd grade at a school). Both Jess and JoJo have said that when JoJo turned up on the first day of school and they did the testing so that they knew where to place everyone she tested at a 3rd grade level and the school recommended that Jess home school her as if she had of stayed in school she would have just been placed with her age group. She finished her schooling when she was 15, I don't know what education program etc they used or if they used tutors as she got older. Jess has said that when they first started they set up an area to look like a traditional classroom and then after talking to other home school parents realised that it could look like whatever they wanted it to. I have randomly heard her say recently that she has dyslexia and that reading is really hard for her so that adds another level to what her education actually was and how it was done.
I think its funny because Jojo adored Abby and is the only one still in contact with Abby, now look at where they got her. Everyone needs to realize that Jojo is not a good person when she defends Colleen Ballinger and does this now.
The scary thing is that JoJo isn't the only one still in contact with Abby. Cathy is at least work friends with her again. Kalani has been on Abby's podcast, I think that Brynn doesn't ignore her. Most of the season 8 kids still talk to her too.
@@miafoor3496 True but another big difference is that they were all really big fans of Dance Moms before being on the show so like JoJo they went into it with the mindset that this was a part of the gig. Another big difference is that none of them knew each other before filming so their arguments as a result were much more surface level and at times the arguments I was laughing at because of how over the top stupid they were. I think it is really telling that Lilly is one of the season 8 girls that doesn't still have contact with Abby and during season 8 she was Abby's favourite.
Many specific things listed in this video that the XOM Pop girls went through are direct copies of what JoJo and the Dance Moms girls went through. JoJo alleged that she was more afraid to tell her mom that she didn't want to wear bows anymore than she was to come out to her. Lo and behold, Kinley was barred from abandoning the bows and ankle scrunchies by Jess and JoJo. JoJo also recalled a time where she was so exhausting from performing while deathly sick that she had to be carried back to the dressing room. Viola, Leigha also had to be carried back to the dressing room by her father because she was made to perform while tired and ill. History often repeats itself, but the specific way that it does in this case is almost poetic. It explicitly shows how JoJo is repeating cycles.
Something no one has discussed yet that I find particularly interesting - is Jess & Jojo’s lawyer is the SAME ATTORNEY who Tucker Carlson hired. The fact that the siwas would rather spend all this money on damage control/legal counsel over just paying the families in the first place is astounding.
It's very telling that they always expected the children to thank them profusely for everything they did as well as low key criticize the Zieglers for not doing that with Abby despite the fact that Maddie and Kenzie have both talked about being in therapy thanks to DM and Abby.....
I’m glad you covered this. It needs to be seen. Quite ironic for Jess to mock the way other people talk yet she got fired up when Kira mocked Jojo’s speech impediment in season 5…
What was kind of shocking to me is how suprised people were that Jojo is a pretty bad person. Like for years she's been defending and supporting Abby and Gianna, she hangs out with James Charles and Shane Dawson and when the Coleen balenger news dropped dojo supported her and claimed all the victims were lying. its not a new thing that she's pretty awful
@@mc-rn8ro The difference is that she was raised by it and doesn't know anything else and yes some people can grow from it but those people don't usually become billion-dollar brands and millionaires from their abuse. In time she could change and if she does bc she's only 20 people should accept it if she apologizes. Is it likely? doesnt seem like it now but you never know.
I don’t really think so.. cause she’s grown in this environment for her whole life. She inherits this ‘tough love’ abuse from her mother and thinks there’s nothing wrong with it
4:57 one thing a lot of people don’t get is that being a victim can be an explanation, but not an excuse. If we’re holding parents accountable when they “raise” (mistreat/abuse) their kids like they were raised, then we need to hold Jojo accountable too
100%, as someone who was a victim of childhood abuse, I have so much empathy for anyone else who lives through that experience. It's soul-destroying. It changes who you are as a person. It's something most people can't understand, and it makes you feel like a freak, like you're living in isolation because you can't relate to other people's normal. But even at my lowest, I knew that I would rather die than be like my abuser. To this day, I work with children, and I would die before I did to them what my parents did to me. You make the choice to be different. It's so sad to see Jojo choosing not to be, when she has so much influence and fame she could do such good with.
@@hnichole I think now that she’s moved away from her family she might start to get a realization. (Keep in mind my OG comment cause I’m tired and feel like I might word what I’m about to say as excusing her unintentionally) as a young teen it was literally a trend online for people to hate her, make fun of her etc. during this time she also largely only hung out with 1) her mom (who I’d call her main abuser) 2) Abby (her most public abuser) and 3) adult TH-camrs exploiting her for views because “Jojo from dance moms is on MY?! channel?”, and a fair number of these TH-camrs have been found to not have the best relationships with kids. If that was her support system while seemingly the world was on a hate campaign against her that’s gotta fuck up her feelings/thoughts about things. On that same note because of the hate I think everyone made her numb to any criticism coming from social media. I obviously do not know her personally so my opinion means less than Jack shit, but I do genuinely believe that Jojo is a good person who has not realized the harm done to her, and in turn the harm that she did/encouraged/allowed to happen to at least the ex members of XOMG pop. I genuinely really hope that her finally and legitimately being on her own will at least open the smallest crack, and then that crack might lead to her getting into therapy, and as unfortunately awful it would be for her, that the floodgates will finally open. Unfortunately no one can make her see the harm she’s done yet, because I truly don’t even think that harm she’s dealt with has even occurred to her yet. I just want to clarify again that I’m am by no means trying to excuse her of anything, I personally have unfollowed her and don’t have any plans to consider refollowing her unless those floodgates open (and I’m still debating where I stand with the actual XOMG accounts cause I want to support the kids but not those in charge of them). But for anyone who does still choose to follow JoJo, please remember what I said about how I think the hate made her numb to criticism from the internet. I’d definitely keep mentioning things, asking for a statement, etc. but at the end of the day legitimate hate I have a strong feeling is going to do way more harm than good.
It sounds like they are following directly in Abby’s footsteps. They were incensed when Jojo’s speech was mocked, yet did the EXACT same thing. It’s so gross they didn’t pay those families… $17,000 for 2 years working 60-70 hour weeks is criminal
2.5 dollars every hour (17000/2/52/60). Total amount divided by 2 years, divided by weeks, divided by total hours in a week. (I don't know for sure if I calculated this correctly tbh, chatgpt said around 2.5 to 2.71 dollars every hour). That's just cruel. In my country they aren't even allowed to have a paycheck of less then 4.31 dollars every hour (Age 15). From 18, you are getting 7,20 dollars every hour (Minimum). A kid here earns more then the parents and kids of XOMG, which is like not right. Especially with the workload they have been given
It's just saddening to me. It starts with the fact that Jojo sees nothing wrong with her childhood exploitation and doesn't see toxicity in other people when it's glaringly obvious. I guess it's pretty normal in artistic sports that someone brought up by a bully coach/instructor then becomes a bully coach/instructor. I guess I just hoped for better and I hope that with her current distance from her mom, she has some realizations.
@hnichole Oh yeah, seriously, these people need to realize you can give a child discipline and some tough love without hurting them and treating them like garbage
It is very upsetting that the cycle has continued. It's no wonder they still have Abby in their lives when most of the dance mum girl's don't. I have only seen a few clips on youtube of the show so I can't comment on the content but it sounds like it was a terribly toxic environment. Jojo has also loudly supported dodgy people like Colleen Ballinger which made me realise what a disgusting person she actuality is. I hope that the girls are doing okay.
If you go on the channel lifetime they actually do put some of the full episodes of dance moms up if you want to see how toxic it actually is. Spoiler alert it's toxic. Just watch one episode and you'll see what we're saying. Abby Lee Miller shouldn't even be around kids in my opinion and neither should JoJo or Jess. They just need to be stopped. All three of them.
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But the problem with JoJo is that she gets so passive aggressive when she gets called out for something. It's only an issue if SHE is the victim of something. I feel bad for the XOMG Kids, they deserve better
it’s actually such a shame how the cycle keeps on going, and it amazes me how jess can mirror so many of abby’s attributes after seeing how it affected her own daughter.
These girls “were doomed from the start-“ because Jess is a narcissist. And JoJo sees no problem with the behavior of people like (Colleen, James, Abby Miller…) because they are exactly like Jess. JoJo, now a grown-up, is either a narcissist herself (very likely since she was near-exclusively raised in her mother’s influence and the lack of a safe environment that is), or she will have MANY narcissistic traits. She has NEVER BEEN entirely out of the shared-delusion of that a narcissist (here, her mother) makes you live in: one where She is always right, she is always a victim, ANYTHING you achieve had better be attributed to and in support of Her, and if you don’t meet these standards you are BERATED and taught to feel lucky just to get out of that abusive state;; YES the girls were “doomed from the start-“ like JoJo was doomed from the start (and Jess herself, was probably doomed from the start) because narcissists breed narcissists breed narcissists…
I get that Jojo’s childhood wasn’t all that great, but that doesn’t mean that innocent children, some with disabilities, should have to pay for your jam-packed childhood. On that note, children with disabilities shouldn’t be exploited for money. These are children, not pets. There are so many Dance Moms parallels that it’s insane. Dance Moms was toxic and abusive. Why would you want future generations to suffer the same thing? Personal opinion, but anyway I feel like they chose children with disabilities because they knew that they could control them to some degree.
The only child with physical disabilities in the group was Leigha, Dallas has asthma. Sadie who they talked about was the first person eliminated on the show. It was obvious when they chose who the final girls were that they went with as much diversity as they could. Bella was eliminated early on and was suddenly in the group after the show ended. Speculation is that it was so that they could add on another diversity as they didn't have anyone Hispanic in the group (even had her sing some lyrics in Spanish in some of their songs).
@@kaidyer8761I can’t put my finger on exactly why, but the more I learn about Jess the more I think she’s worse than Abby. The vibes are somehow more rancid.
Thank you for making this video I’m not too sure how many people were aware of this before but I’m glad jojo is finally being called out for the way she’s been using these girls
The amount of similarities between xomg and Aldc is frigthing as xomg is practically an Aldc 2. This is such a good show of how abusive nature can continue through generations. The comments jojo has made about her future child are disgusting though and makes me give her very little sympathy. Because no-one knows what they wanna be when they're 4 they're kids
The fact that the little girl talking abt the one at a time rehearsals (Leah?) made the distinction between constructive criticism and what ever those one at a time rehearsals and critiques were shows she knows the difference between critiques and insults. I suspect that if the girls tried to handle the delivery of any criticism with tact that they would be told to be more blunt.
I was waiting for you to do this topic after it came up everywhere, because I know how much research you actually put into these videos to make sure you’re as accurate as can be.
I think it’s a major red flag that in the same sentence talking about Colleen she can deny the experiences COLLEEN, not Jojo had with minors and then say, yeah I became her best friend AT TWELVE! Like one, trying to deny experiences she wasn’t a part of, but two literally confining Colleen had relationships with minors
It’s so scary seeing Jojo not realizing what has happened to her and now continuing on the abuse that she has been put through. Expressing emotions is okay, it’s okay to be hurt. I hope Jojo realizes what she is doing before she hurts even more people. Jess is the problem here.
I read the Rolling stones article and I wasn't surprised at all the only reason only one of the girls can talk is because she didn't sign the NDA and all Jess and Jojo actions just proves why so many people can't stand her
She is living through the kids, the same way her mom does. If she try to become a kpop idol she will get shamed to death, she built like a square, looks like Jake Paul even more so with her balding hair, and probably have the same personality. Doesn't help that her fashion sense sucks. No wonder she tried to live through other people.
It's so sad. Jojo's just replicating the abuse that she saw Abby dishing out. The way Dancing Pop Revolution was structured, with the inter-competition, the mom drama, etc. was basically Dance Moms 2.0.
It's really unfortunate that JoJo wasn't able to learn from the mistakes of the adults around her. I hope at some point she's able to realize that her childhood was not normal and she shouldn't be continuing this pattern, especially since so many young children idolize her
This makes me sad for Jojo. She went through so much “tough love” and harsh moments growing up that it’s the only thing she knows, so now she is doing the same. It’s what my mom says “they only do/teach what they know”
I am shocked , that Jess and Jojo were rude , abusing , and saying nasty things to the kids. The one thing that's disgusting is that Jess and Jojo don't care at all with those kids , and how they're treating them. I hope the kids are doing okay and I hope they'll never see Jess or JoJo ever again.
jojo and jess also bought kinley a puppy in dec of 2022 (then heard dallas also got a puppy from them) clearly they tried the ziegler treatment with kinley as she was arguably the favourite and having her in pigtails with scrunchies to stay as cute and young for as long as possible being marketed as the new mini jojo. i can guarantee the girls were compared to kinley aswell as kiya was on SDPR before kiya dyed her hair. also kinley was the one who brought the views as arguably again she was the fan favourite along w leigha so i assume they tried to keep the cutesy stuff with her to get the siwas money.
No bc she is an abby lee miller dupe…. And I would argue she is even worse bc she is doing this all under her own will, without producers forcing her to act a certain way
As someone whose partner worked in this industry, this treatment is the norm. I need people to understand how this isn't a rare thing AT ALL. Keep kids out of the spotlight.
@jalapeno1119 Yeah. It's not okay, but I think people figure there are "good stage parents" or "healthy child star" environments. There aren't. There are no "good people" in children's entertainment.
My point is that the entire industry needs to disappear. It's built on exploitation, and everyone should be side-eyeing the people involved and looking for warning signs.
I’m actually not surprised.. JoJo still says she got succes because of dance moms and that she is greatfull for Abby Lee, basically saying she is happy that she grew up in an environment where most of the girls have gotten huge trauma and don’t ever want to talk about. JoJo & Jess now doing the same thing fits in how I picture them… idolising and talking good about an Abuser, to being one too. Although for JoJo I’m just a bit concerned or sad as well.. she might have never been in a real save environment. If Jess also teached her dancing trough screaming and punching her kid trough pain, then JoJo might not know a different way of training.
YES!! I have been waiting for this video. Its so crazy how she so many ex dance moms stars complain about the emotional hurt they got from the show and Jojo turns around and cause the same hurt to more innocent children.
We, as “fans” and viewers, need to hold ourselves accountable. Jess has made herself very clear in her mindset and dynamics way back since AUDC. She was clear she wanted fame, attention, etc, and was going to make sure Jojo was there along for the ride. Sure, some of it could’ve been edited, but the patterns were still evident. None of this is really shocking. Yet, some still wanted to continue to support Jess and Jojo despite all this… will this be when enough is enough, or are we gonna wait for more situations to occur?
Is that Leigha from Alyssa's/Justin's Beyond Belief Dance Co.? Also, Jojo has clearly drunk the Kool-Aid and thinks that the treatment she faced as a child was justified due to the position she is in now. It is also reflected in her saying "that's just how the dance world is". That is exactly what people said about USA gymnastics until over 150 girls and women were in a court room giving victim impact statements. These discourses and narratives are so dangerous because they encourage children to stay (and parents to keep their children) in toxic or ab*sive environments.
So disappointing. I hope Jojo is able to unlearn the harmful behaviors that was normalized to her. As for the girls, I hope the girls who left have the best new opportunities. And the current members, If Jojo and her mom cant change their ways hopefully they leave too. The girls are all so talented. Jess and Jojo just destroying their own group.
I'm wondering if they even know that. They wanted to create a group version of JoJo now that she had aged out. It was supposed to be a new project for Jess now that she didn't have to be on set with JoJo anymore. Watching the group there were so many things that they should have had sorted out before they formed the group that they were still playing with and changing even in the second year.
JoJo is still friends with Abby, its no surprise JoJo is taking her qualities. She was exploited as a child both by her family and then Abby, no brainer that it influenced her in a bad way and she is doing the same to other kids
I was watching dance moms a few days ago and Abby told Jess, she is raising a monster. I guess she was right! I also think Brooklyn and Dallas have powerful voices and you will never know because of those kiddy songs they sing. Being in that group is definitely hindering their careers.
@amandamandamands I know that they’ve been on chicken girls and Mani. I don’t get how that’s relevant to me saying their voices or not being showcased the way it should be.
@@Vell3rdw It is relevant to your last sentence of saying that you hope it doesn't hinder their careers. They all say that they want to be triple threats and I was saying that they have done other things. I have no way of knowing how much of their career that you have followed. There will also be other people reading these comments that don't know.
@amandamandamands it’s still not relevant to me or my comment I was literally talking about their singing careers I truly didn’t think I had to put singing careers because I was talking about their voices in the previous sentence What I was saying was being in that group will hinder their singing career because of the kiddy songs that they are singing
@amandamandamands All you said was they were on two shows and said they aren’t that bad I truly do not see how that connects to me saying they voices or not being showcase and singing those songs will hinder their careers context clues should’ve brought you to me talking about their singing careers not what shows they have been in and what’s not that bad the shows the songs the group what’s not that bad because if it’s the songs do you really listen to “sparkle sparkle sparkle pop” and think that’s a good
I as someone who has been dancing since I could walk, most of this I have experienced dancing and it is unfortunately very common in this industry. I remember also being very sick backstage with a 103 fever throwing up the entire show because the teacher told me to suck it up. I hope that the dance industry stops promoting abuse to little children. This is all so common it is just sad.
Jess making fun of a kid for speaking differently is crazy because Jojo was always getting roasted for her speech impediment on Dance Moms…
You can feel the hypocrisy.
And Jess cried how they were bullying Jojo for how she spoke
Ikr
And she called the moms out for allowing it!
EXACTLY!!!!!! I was thinking same, like WTF!?!!??? I hope they read these comments
As Abby would ironically say, "Jojo!!! Have you learnt nothing?!?!"
Yep I thought of the SAME line
@@spaRKLES88604MackZBoss cool
Turns out she did learn something and it's not good.
I'm not even mad, I'm disappointed.
And now she loves her and now with this that makes me sense
@@marikk00Crazy how Jojo has become the new Abby
As a disabled person the narrative “I don’t let my disability stop me” is so harmful. Sometimes you need to let your disability stop you for your own health and safety. Plus saying that may encourage others to push far past their limits, something I’ve learned the hard way MULTIPLE times. The treatment of all the kids is disgusting but the treatment of sick and/or disabled kids is barbaric.
I mean, too, it’s like “well I aM dIsAbLeD aNd I dOn’T LeT iT sToP ME! YoU aRe JuSt a QuiTTeR!” Like it’s a damn contest of who’s the “best” disabled person 🤦🏼♀️😡 You do you my Kiwi Friend 😊. You are perfect EXACTLY as you are. Much love 💕
This is how it is in general. The more you look at society, the more you realize how it's designed to kill us.
It's hard. Don't give up to easy. But think about your health to. It's harder. They are just evil
My disability is degenerative and progressive. When I first became an adult I put everything I could into my work and pushed myself to try to be successful. I'm 22 and my body is shot. I can't do half of the things I did at 15. I hate to think how I'll be even at 30 or 40.
Don't force yourself to push through the pain and symptoms of your disability. It's not worth it.
Like each disability is different and has its own limits and even if you share a same disability, you might can deal with it differently than the other person and cope with it differently.
It's such a damaging statement and just is used to exploit disabled people. Like sure, don't let it stop you which is why accomodations are being made to help those with different disabilities, but don't let it kill you and dance through a bleeding ripped open wound and such
The abused becomes the abuser
Edit: I wasn’t saying that this applies to all people in all situations. I said this specific phrase under this specific video because the situation applies. Now please stop fighting in the replies
Not if you have any morals you don't.
@@j-rodthelibrarykid1166 I'm sorry for you getting sa'd but this is a different story no Offense
@@j-rodthelibrarykid1166 they were talking about this case. Of course not every victim will become abusers in the future.
And also, it's not really about morals, it's more of like a consequence of the trauma itself, makes certain victims to unconsciously follow toxic patterns.
@j-rodthelibrarykid1166 this isn't about you tho. Sometimes those who were abused, go on to abuse others because they think that's normal and never learned what they endured was wrong
Well shes besties with C*lleen so unfortunately not surprising
“Tough love” is what abusers say they are doing when abusing people.
Exactly! It's literally what Abby would say!
Not really. Yes it's used by abusive parents. But it's also used my good people. It's hard telling my kids no, especially when it makes them so sad. But the flip side would be to give in to everything and that is a horrible parent. Sometimes, as a mom, I have to be tough when it's the best thing for my child. Now my daughter is almost 17 and we have an amazing relationship. Here's an example of my tough love with my daughter. When she was 11, she flirted with anorexia. I had that and know the damage it causes. I gave her an ultimatum. She eats at least one good meal a day and fruit throughout the day or I have her hospitalized and fed 5000 calories a day through a feeding tube. She eats. This choice is still in effect even though she knows no dr would feed her a 5k calorie diet a day. The other major deal breaker rule is she must stay in contact. If I try to call her and she ignores for very long, I'm going to get scared and she will be grounded. Is that tough love? In my opinion it is. Is that abusive? Absolutely not. Maybe you mean something other than this as tough love, but I think tough love (my definition of it) is crucial to being a good parent.
@@lesterine77sounds controlling tbh
@@CrokusTheDerg
Wanting contact with your underage daughter isn’t controlling
@@lesterine77 did you at least get her therapy or are you just making her sneaky?
Stopped supporting Jojo when she started becoming a devil’s advocate. The way she attacked Christi for talking about how nasty Gianna and Abby were to Chloe and she defended Colleen was enough for me to dislike her
Same jojo era I stopped being he fan! 👍
I stopped when she and her mother reneged on a partnership they had with a small dancewear company owned by my daughter's studio owner when she got the Nickelodeon deal
@@mistytostenrude7222?
Gianna is as nasty as Abby. She is the bullies side kick.
I stopped when she's cool with pedophiles
Notice how Jessalyn is really the only one who had a positive experience on Dance Moms. Probably because she was the one contributing to everyone else’s misery.
ESPECIALLY BRYNN’S
@@Memeholic71mhm especially brynns and that’s sick
The Nickelodeon deal was the cherry on top for her
I look forward to Christi and Kelly taking them apart..and the crap that Holly and Nia were put through...Maddie, Kenzie, Brooke, Paige, Chloe, Nia and Kendall, were raised to have manners. Despite Abby, they are not greedy either. They have grown up to be productive human beings..Jojo is stuck, has horrible manners, thinks Abby treated her well and doesn't listen...
Absolutely. It’s sickening that JoJo and Jess are repeating history from Dance Moms, something that doesn’t need to be repeated. I can’t believe, even being in that environment, that she’d do this. Sickening.
Apparently they’re way worse than Dance Moms
It's because monkey see, monkey do. They've seen ALM in action, and how being nasty makes you money (doesn't speak very highly for people out there these days).
Considering the way Jojo’s been raised with a narcissist parent, then being with Abby, it doesn’t surprise me…
It really is sad how history is repeating itself here. Jojo's basically continuing Abby's work when you think about it.
@@sissysovereign1294 I agree with you. It’s a real shame. I used to feel sorry for her cause of the way she was raised, but not anymore. She’s an adult now. And she should know better.
i'm a professional dancer and there is NO excuses in "that's how the dance world is" when you hav an injury you need to rest because you dont want that the injury get worst.
I remember my dance teacher making me sit down during practice (she was VERY anti-sitting) when I was sick. I had to fight through some rough days but when it was serious it was taken seriously. Jojo and Jess have NO respect.
@@jalapeno1119 im glad to hear it but unfortunately they are rare..
Right. That mentality is so stupid because it’s not even how professionals act. The same thing goes for sports, if their best player is injured they’re not gonna make them go play just because they’re the best.
Yeah, my thoughts too. That sounds like it could a one-way ticket to not being able to dance again.
@@icedceilin exactly
At this point, JoJo is a walking red flag 🚩
She's a whole red billboard at this point.
True. I don't feel sorry for these kids and moms at all. They KNEW who JoJo is and how it is going to be, unlike OG girls and moms from DM, who were completely unprepared for abuse they got.
Always was..
Using Trump economics...Ripping people off, not paying people and abusing them..
She's literally planet Mars
Just because JoJo never got a normal childhood and was forced to work in awful conditions doesn’t mean she should force other kids to as well. I don’t understand why she hasn’t already been charged with not following child labor laws.
Because you don't have to legally pay children for social media (laws haven't caught up and they are still thinking of children being on family channels, not stuff like this). They were paying them for rehearsals and performances, not for the things for their TH-cam channel, TikTok's etc. If that isn't things that you have to pay for I don't know how they fit into labour laws.
Exactly
the moms of those children are at fault too they signed contracts for their kids to be stars after seeing how jess acted on tv and the envirmoent that shows like dance moms created for literally every kid outside of jojo. its 100% not the kids fault but their parents deserve a lot of the blame too for being naive
@@jadynariana The thing is that they had to sign the contract for before the show started, the show was pitched as it was the band starting out, getting to know each other etc (the girls thought that they had already got the job). When they started filming that was when they realised that it was an elimination show with the people left being who was in the group (even then they brought back someone who they had eliminated, lots of people think so that they could tick off another diversity)
@@amandamandamands Was jess and jojo's involvement not in the contract? I only say that because if it wasn't then the only thing ill say is that its still on the moms for signing it without knowing the full details even though that's very common in these situations they're still children
The dance mom parallels are HORRIFYING.
"We were afraid to speak up because our kids might get kicked off the team. We feared legal ramifications. We were under-paid and over-worked. We were afraid to be black-listed." Where do we think Jess learned those threats?
literally everything is the same as dance moms, jess and jojos behavior, the producers and the bribe gift giving
The way Jess completely bullied Brynn Rumfalo on Dance Moms makes all this not very shocking
None of those moms are innocent so anything they do isn’t very shocking lol.
@@SBBunny93 innocent.. no but anything close to jess no from audc to dance moms to now you can see she was always the same and has only gotten worse
@SBBunny93 They weren't innocent, but most of them had a moral code when it came to involving the kids in the beef between the moms which Jess pretty much ignored.
And Ashlee said in a podcast that it’s ironic that Jojo participated in anti-bullying campaigns and we didn't even know who Jojo really was.
This is why I can never get too excited when people start praising a child prodigy. We don't know what's going on behind the scenes, and if they're being pushed too hard for their age. Health and safety NEED to come before everything else, pushing children to work before getting proper medical clearance is negligent at best.
Now i understand why Jojo and Jess are the only ones keep contact w Abby Miller
They aren't the only ones, they are just the most high profile ones
jess is a wannabe abby and now jojo is a mini abby
@@amandamandamands I guess you are right but none of the OG or the ones come later like Jojo don’t want nothing to do w her they are thankful w the Show but they never said nothing nice about Abby the only one who talk good about Abby is Jojo and her Mom …. And Giana it was much better than Abby but it wasn’t that nice she talk shit about mothers and kids w Abby so idk
Everyone always criticised Abby, and I'm not defending her, but if a kid was bleeding in rehearsals or throwing up, Abby would let them have a break. Jess truly is despicable
really sad to see jess and jojo have become an abby 2.0 but i can’t say i’m shocked considering they’ve undermined the other girls’s trauma repeatedly. but also the way she says “trained” at 3:26..yikes
exactly, like when i first saw the thumbnail i was like "this isnt shocking at all" especially when you see the way she reacted to the speaking out against the mistreatment they suffered from Gianna
JoJo has become the poster child for invalidation. She condemned Brooke for not wanting to be friends with Abby online and reprimanded Christi for speaking her truth about Gianna. She has stood by problematic people for YEARS, which has most recently shown up in the way she defames Colleen Ballinger's victims and fights tooth and nail to defend her. Now, it's finally come out that she is abusing her own victims rather than just disbelieving someone else's. She was exploited and abused her whole life and is repeating the cycle. Sad but predictable.
Jess always was to be fair.
I almost feel like the Siwa’s are worse than Abby. You hired disabled kids for inclusivity points and the worked them to the point of illness and hospitalization, knowing full well what you’re doing is dangerous.
They went for all sorts of diversity, when the group got down to 3 Jess had said that they were looking for 2 new people. Everyone was speculating that they would hire someone blonde and someone Hispanic as that would cover the diversity (besides disabled) that they had lost. Turns out that the one person that they hired is both (don't know if she speaks Spanish though).
Jess pulled her son out of school during the most important year of his life to chase fame and money. What a sick woman.
The only thing I will give her is that she did hire a tutor for him so that he finished school. But yes if they had been apart for that long why is it such a big deal to wait another year until he finished school.
Did Jojo have any education? Because it doesn't appear she did.
@@emmyjo720 JoJo was home schooled her whole life (apparently did one semester in 3rd grade at a school). Both Jess and JoJo have said that when JoJo turned up on the first day of school and they did the testing so that they knew where to place everyone she tested at a 3rd grade level and the school recommended that Jess home school her as if she had of stayed in school she would have just been placed with her age group.
She finished her schooling when she was 15, I don't know what education program etc they used or if they used tutors as she got older. Jess has said that when they first started they set up an area to look like a traditional classroom and then after talking to other home school parents realised that it could look like whatever they wanted it to.
I have randomly heard her say recently that she has dyslexia and that reading is really hard for her so that adds another level to what her education actually was and how it was done.
The cycle continues… the abused becomes the abuser
I think its funny because Jojo adored Abby and is the only one still in contact with Abby, now look at where they got her. Everyone needs to realize that Jojo is not a good person when she defends Colleen Ballinger and does this now.
The scary thing is that JoJo isn't the only one still in contact with Abby. Cathy is at least work friends with her again. Kalani has been on Abby's podcast, I think that Brynn doesn't ignore her. Most of the season 8 kids still talk to her too.
And James Charles
jojo keeps on supporting those awful people, abby, colleen, Shawne and james.
@@amandamandamandsto be fair to the season 8 kids most of them are still minors or barely adults
@@miafoor3496 True but another big difference is that they were all really big fans of Dance Moms before being on the show so like JoJo they went into it with the mindset that this was a part of the gig. Another big difference is that none of them knew each other before filming so their arguments as a result were much more surface level and at times the arguments I was laughing at because of how over the top stupid they were.
I think it is really telling that Lilly is one of the season 8 girls that doesn't still have contact with Abby and during season 8 she was Abby's favourite.
Them giving brooklyn a dog made me think of when abby gave mackenzie that little white dog malibu during one of the dance moms holiday specials
Many specific things listed in this video that the XOM Pop girls went through are direct copies of what JoJo and the Dance Moms girls went through. JoJo alleged that she was more afraid to tell her mom that she didn't want to wear bows anymore than she was to come out to her. Lo and behold, Kinley was barred from abandoning the bows and ankle scrunchies by Jess and JoJo. JoJo also recalled a time where she was so exhausting from performing while deathly sick that she had to be carried back to the dressing room. Viola, Leigha also had to be carried back to the dressing room by her father because she was made to perform while tired and ill. History often repeats itself, but the specific way that it does in this case is almost poetic. It explicitly shows how JoJo is repeating cycles.
Something no one has discussed yet that I find particularly interesting - is Jess & Jojo’s lawyer is the SAME ATTORNEY who Tucker Carlson hired. The fact that the siwas would rather spend all this money on damage control/legal counsel over just paying the families in the first place is astounding.
Oh interesting! I didn't know that it is the same attorney
It is the same lawyer that Colleen used. Would be interesting to know who introduced him to who.
Oh that’s…
Leaving another generation of girls scarred. Well done, Jess and Jojo. What a legacy.
It's very telling that they always expected the children to thank them profusely for everything they did as well as low key criticize the Zieglers for not doing that with Abby despite the fact that Maddie and Kenzie have both talked about being in therapy thanks to DM and Abby.....
I’m glad you covered this. It needs to be seen.
Quite ironic for Jess to mock the way other people talk yet she got fired up when Kira mocked Jojo’s speech impediment in season 5…
And when Kenzie, Kalani and Kendall made fun of JoJo in Ireland
@@sashaking1115Maddie never made fun of JoJo. She was trying to get the other girls to stop.
@@amazinggraciegurl sorry my mistake
What was kind of shocking to me is how suprised people were that Jojo is a pretty bad person. Like for years she's been defending and supporting Abby and Gianna, she hangs out with James Charles and Shane Dawson and when the Coleen balenger news dropped dojo supported her and claimed all the victims were lying. its not a new thing that she's pretty awful
I was willing to give her a pass on some things when she was younger. But she's an adult now.
Personally I haven't been following her so all of this is new information
JoJo's gonna be writing a "glad my mom died" book in about 10 years
Highly doubt it she seems to enjoy inflicting the same pain on others so she would have no room to talk
Jojo is just as abusive as Jess, or did you miss 75% of the video?
@@mc-rn8ro ...
@@mc-rn8ro The difference is that she was raised by it and doesn't know anything else and yes some people can grow from it but those people don't usually become billion-dollar brands and millionaires from their abuse. In time she could change and if she does bc she's only 20 people should accept it if she apologizes. Is it likely? doesnt seem like it now but you never know.
I don’t really think so.. cause she’s grown in this environment for her whole life. She inherits this ‘tough love’ abuse from her mother and thinks there’s nothing wrong with it
Penelope and Leah: having major surgeries and aren’t cleared for dancing
Jojo and Jess: LAZYYY SLOPPY BORING
Reminds me of when Abby made Paige dance with a broken foot and yelled at Brooke for not dancing when she couldn’t breathe
Jess and JoJo are completely showing narcissism, which I hate! They clearly have no remorse for the hell they have put these young ladies through
@@avatiede1512yeah same idk but i just feel this is worse just yk
Then what to say about Jojo right now being not even half as good at dancing as was at 8 and looking like has seizures
4:57 one thing a lot of people don’t get is that being a victim can be an explanation, but not an excuse. If we’re holding parents accountable when they “raise” (mistreat/abuse) their kids like they were raised, then we need to hold Jojo accountable too
This 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
It doesn’t stop JoJo from going to therapy and deciding to stop the cycle of abuse and make changes to her life!
100%, as someone who was a victim of childhood abuse, I have so much empathy for anyone else who lives through that experience. It's soul-destroying. It changes who you are as a person. It's something most people can't understand, and it makes you feel like a freak, like you're living in isolation because you can't relate to other people's normal. But even at my lowest, I knew that I would rather die than be like my abuser. To this day, I work with children, and I would die before I did to them what my parents did to me. You make the choice to be different. It's so sad to see Jojo choosing not to be, when she has so much influence and fame she could do such good with.
@@hnichole I think now that she’s moved away from her family she might start to get a realization. (Keep in mind my OG comment cause I’m tired and feel like I might word what I’m about to say as excusing her unintentionally) as a young teen it was literally a trend online for people to hate her, make fun of her etc. during this time she also largely only hung out with 1) her mom (who I’d call her main abuser) 2) Abby (her most public abuser) and 3) adult TH-camrs exploiting her for views because “Jojo from dance moms is on MY?! channel?”, and a fair number of these TH-camrs have been found to not have the best relationships with kids. If that was her support system while seemingly the world was on a hate campaign against her that’s gotta fuck up her feelings/thoughts about things. On that same note because of the hate I think everyone made her numb to any criticism coming from social media. I obviously do not know her personally so my opinion means less than Jack shit, but I do genuinely believe that Jojo is a good person who has not realized the harm done to her, and in turn the harm that she did/encouraged/allowed to happen to at least the ex members of XOMG pop. I genuinely really hope that her finally and legitimately being on her own will at least open the smallest crack, and then that crack might lead to her getting into therapy, and as unfortunately awful it would be for her, that the floodgates will finally open. Unfortunately no one can make her see the harm she’s done yet, because I truly don’t even think that harm she’s dealt with has even occurred to her yet.
I just want to clarify again that I’m am by no means trying to excuse her of anything, I personally have unfollowed her and don’t have any plans to consider refollowing her unless those floodgates open (and I’m still debating where I stand with the actual XOMG accounts cause I want to support the kids but not those in charge of them). But for anyone who does still choose to follow JoJo, please remember what I said about how I think the hate made her numb to criticism from the internet. I’d definitely keep mentioning things, asking for a statement, etc. but at the end of the day legitimate hate I have a strong feeling is going to do way more harm than good.
It sounds like they are following directly in Abby’s footsteps. They were incensed when Jojo’s speech was mocked, yet did the EXACT same thing. It’s so gross they didn’t pay those families… $17,000 for 2 years working 60-70 hour weeks is criminal
2.5 dollars every hour (17000/2/52/60). Total amount divided by 2 years, divided by weeks, divided by total hours in a week. (I don't know for sure if I calculated this correctly tbh, chatgpt said around 2.5 to 2.71 dollars every hour). That's just cruel. In my country they aren't even allowed to have a paycheck of less then 4.31 dollars every hour (Age 15). From 18, you are getting 7,20 dollars every hour (Minimum). A kid here earns more then the parents and kids of XOMG, which is like not right. Especially with the workload they have been given
It's just saddening to me.
It starts with the fact that Jojo sees nothing wrong with her childhood exploitation and doesn't see toxicity in other people when it's glaringly obvious.
I guess it's pretty normal in artistic sports that someone brought up by a bully coach/instructor then becomes a bully coach/instructor.
I guess I just hoped for better and I hope that with her current distance from her mom, she has some realizations.
I agree. JoJo just doesn’t understand the way she was brought up is toxic😭😭😭😭
Proud that she never coddles kids and believes in tough love....wow who does that sound like? 🤔🤔
Let me guess...Ruby Franke?
@@Livrockz103 I would've guessed OP meant Abby, but Ruby Franke is also eerily exactly the same way.
@hnichole Oh yeah, seriously, these people need to realize you can give a child discipline and some tough love without hurting them and treating them like garbage
It is very upsetting that the cycle has continued. It's no wonder they still have Abby in their lives when most of the dance mum girl's don't. I have only seen a few clips on youtube of the show so I can't comment on the content but it sounds like it was a terribly toxic environment. Jojo has also loudly supported dodgy people like Colleen Ballinger which made me realise what a disgusting person she actuality is. I hope that the girls are doing okay.
If you go on the channel lifetime they actually do put some of the full episodes of dance moms up if you want to see how toxic it actually is. Spoiler alert it's toxic. Just watch one episode and you'll see what we're saying. Abby Lee Miller shouldn't even be around kids in my opinion and neither should JoJo or Jess. They just need to be stopped. All three of them.
But the problem with JoJo is that she gets so passive aggressive when she gets called out for something. It's only an issue if SHE is the victim of something. I feel bad for the XOMG Kids, they deserve better
it’s actually such a shame how the cycle keeps on going, and it amazes me how jess can mirror so many of abby’s attributes after seeing how it affected her own daughter.
Did they really not think any of these kids would speak out? It’s kind of alarming that they are that out of touch
they had them sign NDA’s (the parents) Anjie refused to though that’s the only reason she’s been able to speak out
These girls “were doomed from the start-“ because Jess is a narcissist. And JoJo sees no problem with the behavior of people like (Colleen, James, Abby Miller…) because they are exactly like Jess. JoJo, now a grown-up, is either a narcissist herself (very likely since she was near-exclusively raised in her mother’s influence and the lack of a safe environment that is), or she will have MANY narcissistic traits. She has NEVER BEEN entirely out of the shared-delusion of that a narcissist (here, her mother) makes you live in: one where She is always right, she is always a victim, ANYTHING you achieve had better be attributed to and in support of Her, and if you don’t meet these standards you are BERATED and taught to feel lucky just to get out of that abusive state;;
YES the girls were “doomed from the start-“ like JoJo was doomed from the start (and Jess herself, was probably doomed from the start) because narcissists breed narcissists breed narcissists…
I get that Jojo’s childhood wasn’t all that great, but that doesn’t mean that innocent children, some with disabilities, should have to pay for your jam-packed childhood. On that note, children with disabilities shouldn’t be exploited for money. These are children, not pets. There are so many Dance Moms parallels that it’s insane. Dance Moms was toxic and abusive. Why would you want future generations to suffer the same thing? Personal opinion, but anyway I feel like they chose children with disabilities because they knew that they could control them to some degree.
The only child with physical disabilities in the group was Leigha, Dallas has asthma. Sadie who they talked about was the first person eliminated on the show.
It was obvious when they chose who the final girls were that they went with as much diversity as they could. Bella was eliminated early on and was suddenly in the group after the show ended. Speculation is that it was so that they could add on another diversity as they didn't have anyone Hispanic in the group (even had her sing some lyrics in Spanish in some of their songs).
Jojo has become her mother. Sad, but not surprising.
Not even her mother she's becoming like Abby
@@kaidyer8761I can’t put my finger on exactly why, but the more I learn about Jess the more I think she’s worse than Abby. The vibes are somehow more rancid.
@tns.xcoske
“But little girls are learning how to cut and paste, and pucker up their lips until they suffocate”
Couldn’t help it-
Thank you for making this video I’m not too sure how many people were aware of this before but I’m glad jojo is finally being called out for the way she’s been using these girls
i expect nothing better from someone who still supports abby
The amount of similarities between xomg and Aldc is frigthing as xomg is practically an Aldc 2.
This is such a good show of how abusive nature can continue through generations.
The comments jojo has made about her future child are disgusting though and makes me give her very little sympathy. Because no-one knows what they wanna be when they're 4 they're kids
To quote Jojo “well if you’re gonna yell at me I’m gonna cry”
Now THIS is a topic that needs to be discussed more. You’re great for bringing this to peoples’ attention
The fact that the little girl talking abt the one at a time rehearsals (Leah?) made the distinction between constructive criticism and what ever those one at a time rehearsals and critiques were shows she knows the difference between critiques and insults. I suspect that if the girls tried to handle the delivery of any criticism with tact that they would be told to be more blunt.
We’ve all been waiting for this episode. All the girls deserve justice
I was waiting for you to do this topic after it came up everywhere, because I know how much research you actually put into these videos to make sure you’re as accurate as can be.
Guess Cindy and Gianna from AUDC were onto something about not liking Jess and Jojo
my new favorite channel…i binged almost every episode in the past week
I think it’s a major red flag that in the same sentence talking about Colleen she can deny the experiences COLLEEN, not Jojo had with minors and then say, yeah I became her best friend AT TWELVE! Like one, trying to deny experiences she wasn’t a part of, but two literally confining Colleen had relationships with minors
"Until girls began disappearing" lmfao.
Fr its kinda funny no hate
It’s so scary seeing Jojo not realizing what has happened to her and now continuing on the abuse that she has been put through. Expressing emotions is okay, it’s okay to be hurt. I hope Jojo realizes what she is doing before she hurts even more people. Jess is the problem here.
I read the Rolling stones article and I wasn't surprised at all the only reason only one of the girls can talk is because she didn't sign the NDA and all Jess and Jojo actions just proves why so many people can't stand her
The cycle continues, let’s hope she’s not accused of being a groomer like the people she hang around
the moment they said in the show that they wanted this group to be like a kpop group i know something was wrongs
She is living through the kids, the same way her mom does. If she try to become a kpop idol she will get shamed to death, she built like a square, looks like Jake Paul even more so with her balding hair, and probably have the same personality.
Doesn't help that her fashion sense sucks. No wonder she tried to live through other people.
Honestly i dont think Jess thinks this is wrong at all. She was the only person i can think of who quit dance moms not due to Abby.
A victim can be a perpetrator. This is so sad.
According to brynn the only mother who was actually mean (off camera), and didn’t like her or her mother was Jess
It's so sad. Jojo's just replicating the abuse that she saw Abby dishing out. The way Dancing Pop Revolution was structured, with the inter-competition, the mom drama, etc. was basically Dance Moms 2.0.
she really said ‘imma come back like a boomerang’
It's really unfortunate that JoJo wasn't able to learn from the mistakes of the adults around her. I hope at some point she's able to realize that her childhood was not normal and she shouldn't be continuing this pattern, especially since so many young children idolize her
Pausing dance moms…. To watch dance moms uncovered.. I love your channel and I appreciate all your hard work 💜😊Aussie fan
This makes me sad for Jojo. She went through so much “tough love” and harsh moments growing up that it’s the only thing she knows, so now she is doing the same. It’s what my mom says “they only do/teach what they know”
I am shocked , that Jess and Jojo were rude , abusing , and saying nasty things to the kids. The one thing that's disgusting is that Jess and Jojo don't care at all with those kids , and how they're treating them. I hope the kids are doing okay and I hope they'll never see Jess or JoJo ever again.
jojo and jess also bought kinley a puppy in dec of 2022 (then heard dallas also got a puppy from them)
clearly they tried the ziegler treatment with kinley as she was arguably the favourite and having her in pigtails with scrunchies to stay as cute and young for as long as possible being marketed as the new mini jojo.
i can guarantee the girls were compared to kinley aswell as kiya was on SDPR before kiya dyed her hair.
also kinley was the one who brought the views as arguably again she was the fan favourite along w leigha so i assume they tried to keep the cutesy stuff with her to get the siwas money.
No wonder Jojo minimalizes all of the verbal abuse Abby made her and other students endure… she was used to her mother’s teachings. 😢
I actually was surprised at publicity shots of the Dance Mom reunion. JoJo seemed to be hosting.
This is a tough situation, I feel bad for Jojo cause she went through explotation, but at the same time she should know to break the cycle
I see why she defended abby now...
No bc she is an abby lee miller dupe…. And I would argue she is even worse bc she is doing this all under her own will, without producers forcing her to act a certain way
i've been waiting on you to cover this! love your commentary!
JoJo and Jess turned into a mini Abby
As someone whose partner worked in this industry, this treatment is the norm. I need people to understand how this isn't a rare thing AT ALL. Keep kids out of the spotlight.
Yep. It's normal. But still not okay.
@jalapeno1119 Yeah. It's not okay, but I think people figure there are "good stage parents" or "healthy child star" environments. There aren't. There are no "good people" in children's entertainment.
My point is that the entire industry needs to disappear. It's built on exploitation, and everyone should be side-eyeing the people involved and looking for warning signs.
Yup, completely agree. I'm my country kids are quite well protected. Yes, we don't get child stars, but atleast we don't exploit them.
@@laurenmaxell5917 Yup.
I’m actually not surprised.. JoJo still says she got succes because of dance moms and that she is greatfull for Abby Lee, basically saying she is happy that she grew up in an environment where most of the girls have gotten huge trauma and don’t ever want to talk about. JoJo & Jess now doing the same thing fits in how I picture them… idolising and talking good about an Abuser, to being one too.
Although for JoJo I’m just a bit concerned or sad as well.. she might have never been in a real save environment. If Jess also teached her dancing trough screaming and punching her kid trough pain, then JoJo might not know a different way of training.
I used to watch Jojo Siwa and it was odd to say the least. Xomg Pop just seemed a lot weirder and darker.
YES!! I have been waiting for this video. Its so crazy how she so many ex dance moms stars complain about the emotional hurt they got from the show and Jojo turns around and cause the same hurt to more innocent children.
Been waiting for this!!!
She's talking about all this like she's proud of it. Like no girl that's not okey. Not for you, not for others
There's a reason Jojo kept in contact with Abby for so long: she thinks it's "normal".
JOJO! HAVE YOU LEARNED NOTHING??
Honestly jojo is turning into the next abby Lee miller she has to be stopped
We, as “fans” and viewers, need to hold ourselves accountable. Jess has made herself very clear in her mindset and dynamics way back since AUDC. She was clear she wanted fame, attention, etc, and was going to make sure Jojo was there along for the ride. Sure, some of it could’ve been edited, but the patterns were still evident. None of this is really shocking. Yet, some still wanted to continue to support Jess and Jojo despite all this… will this be when enough is enough, or are we gonna wait for more situations to occur?
Remember this when the reunion comes out lmaooo
Is that Leigha from Alyssa's/Justin's Beyond Belief Dance Co.?
Also, Jojo has clearly drunk the Kool-Aid and thinks that the treatment she faced as a child was justified due to the position she is in now. It is also reflected in her saying "that's just how the dance world is". That is exactly what people said about USA gymnastics until over 150 girls and women were in a court room giving victim impact statements. These discourses and narratives are so dangerous because they encourage children to stay (and parents to keep their children) in toxic or ab*sive environments.
Yes it is the same Leigha and as she said Justin is tough but not abusive. I am so glad for Leigha that her home studio is supportive.
Your mom should be the one person who comforts you and is always on your side.
So disappointing. I hope Jojo is able to unlearn the harmful behaviors that was normalized to her. As for the girls, I hope the girls who left have the best new opportunities. And the current members, If Jojo and her mom cant change their ways hopefully they leave too. The girls are all so talented. Jess and Jojo just destroying their own group.
The girls who have left seem to be doing great things and having other opportunities, you can find them all on social media.
It's like Jojo and Jess learned about Lou Pearlman creating NSync and Backstreet boys and thought it was a how-to manual...
I'm wondering if they even know that. They wanted to create a group version of JoJo now that she had aged out. It was supposed to be a new project for Jess now that she didn't have to be on set with JoJo anymore. Watching the group there were so many things that they should have had sorted out before they formed the group that they were still playing with and changing even in the second year.
Jojo was failed by all the adults in her life, and is now continuing the cycle of abuse.
The part when jojo made the kids say rude things to each other reminds me when Abby did that to her.
Looks like Abby taught Jess & Jojo all their management skills.
Makes sense why JoJo is still the only girl to this day who gets along with Abby and visits her.
JoJo is still friends with Abby, its no surprise JoJo is taking her qualities. She was exploited as a child both by her family and then Abby, no brainer that it influenced her in a bad way and she is doing the same to other kids
I was watching dance moms a few days ago and Abby told Jess, she is raising a monster. I guess she was right! I also think Brooklyn and Dallas have powerful voices and you will never know because of those kiddy songs they sing. Being in that group is definitely hindering their careers.
They have also been on BratTV shows Chicken Girls and Mani. They aren't bad.
@amandamandamands I know that they’ve been on chicken girls and Mani. I don’t get how that’s relevant to me saying their voices or not being showcased the way it should be.
@@Vell3rdw It is relevant to your last sentence of saying that you hope it doesn't hinder their careers. They all say that they want to be triple threats and I was saying that they have done other things. I have no way of knowing how much of their career that you have followed. There will also be other people reading these comments that don't know.
@amandamandamands it’s still not relevant to me or my comment I was literally talking about their singing careers I truly didn’t think I had to put singing careers because I was talking about their voices in the previous sentence What I was saying was being in that group will hinder their singing career because of the kiddy songs that they are singing
@amandamandamands All you said was they were on two shows and said they aren’t that bad I truly do not see how that connects to me saying they voices or not being showcase and singing those songs will hinder their careers context clues should’ve brought you to me talking about their singing careers not what shows they have been in and what’s not that bad the shows the songs the group what’s not that bad because if it’s the songs do you really listen to “sparkle sparkle sparkle pop” and think that’s a good
This is just sad, but thank you for making this
jojo and jess are like abby 2.0 and jojos like the only girl still in contact with abby 😂💀
this is just dance moms pt 2. all they’re missing is pyramid
I as someone who has been dancing since I could walk, most of this I have experienced dancing and it is unfortunately very common in this industry. I remember also being very sick backstage with a 103 fever throwing up the entire show because the teacher told me to suck it up. I hope that the dance industry stops promoting abuse to little children. This is all so common it is just sad.
Tbh I onew once they said "we love abby" gave me this suspicion that they loved this kind of abuse.
The clip of her hands TREMBLING while talking about how her mom is, that's horrifying
I WAS WAITING FOR THIS ONE!!!!