Gta5 is one of those kinds of games that on the surface looks very detailed and realistic but if you actually dig just a little bit deeper, you start to notice how absurd and impractical all of the infrastructure of the world is.
@@TotoDG the irony is, that's probably intentional, rockstar games put an unnecessary amount of effort into stupid stuff like that, which you may assume is down to sloppy work but actually it's entirely on purpose.
It’s funny how the rural crossing are about the only thing close to accurate. (The little colliery waggons at the end of that yard are the cherry on top )
I was wondering if the ones where they were lacking were from people plowing through them, but since they never came down, that can't be the case. The fact that they work at least in single-player is something, what is a game like GTA without being able to blow through the crossing narrowly ahead of the train to throw off a pursuing vehicle, leaving the gates a shattered ruin?
@@genevarailfan3909 Yeah, I remember there were actually some electrified tunnels on otherwise nonelectrified railroads in the steam era for that reason-- for example the B&O Howard Street Tunnel through baltimore. You could argue that the tunnel's caternary was left over from then.
I understand the random placement of block signals and random bits of electric railroad stuff, but someone had to consciously put those RxR cantilevers over the track and say "yea, that's correct" 😂 I died when you revealed the British trucks. Was not expecting that.
Haven’t watched it, but I wanna mention that, if you haven’t mentioned yet, the reason that there’s a lot of British buffers and some British wagons used around the yards and around some of the mines and refineries is because Rockstar is a British company, and the cars and buffers are likely preexisting assets either free for public use or made for another game.
They would have been intentionally modeled for use in GTA 5. Free assets in a AAA title is a major no-no, and they haven't done anything set in the UK recently enough to have a good quality 3D model already on hand.
@@tin2001 dude. This is Rockstar Games we’re talking about. Don’t give them that much credit. Doesn’t one of the Mafia games use a model of Big Bertha for a locomotive?
They are also found by the steel mill I think so maybe they were made for that area and they needed something to fill the space by the chicken factory he showed.
Those aren't the only ones -- I found a bunch of them while exploring the industrial area in East Los Santos, just west of the beginning of the Elysian Fields Freeway.
@@halfgecko3202 It gets even better, if you look closely there are box cars on the track that come OUT of the the foundry with no switches to explain how they got to that side of the foundry, since it only has height clearance for said little wagons.
Being a GTA nerd, railfan, and car guy, I couldn't ask for much more 😂 I always liked the attempt at railroads in V, just not the execution, hopefully VI does things a bit better lol, I'd love to see some longer and better modelled trains, especially road units, as much as I like the weird GP parody V has, also I'll give the crossing gates props for having a steady burn light on the end lol, well for the ones that work
@@Switchblade-sh3kx honestly I have no clue, other than they're by a foundry that melts metals, but I guess that doesn't excuse them being of British design and fashion lol
@@Switchblade-sh3kxAfter some nuts keep blowing up the train, or smashing cars into it, the Los Santos Ministry of Rail had to scramble for any and all cars to keep the trains running, while the rest were in the shop. If they have to borrow some cars from Londonium and slap some narrow gauge wheels on it, so be it.
Hyce can you check out the rr in RDR2? I thought they were a bit sparce, but there’s some good detail and silliness in St. Dennis, Annesburg, Baccus bridge and tunnel, bards crossing cornwall oil & tar and the rr camp near beavers hollow. I also liked the variety of the trains, there’s two locomotive models a standard passenger or freight consist plus the mission specials. And my favorite detail is how in the story the rr company breaks up into a fee differnt companies with different liveries in the epilogue. Plus the trolleys are cute.
I’ve spent so many hours just driving / riding the trains in RDR2. Yeah the infrastructure has some flaws, but the attention to detail is pretty crazy in the trains themselves!
I wish they'd made the trains more useful in RDR2. It sucks you can't switch tracks or crash the trains off the broken bridges or ends of tracks. Wouldn't have taken too much more work to achieve... But the game was already delayed if I recall, so I get why they didn't.
As someone who plays a lot of GTAV, and who is a nerd, I've found myself laughing aloud at the completely nonfunctional switches that should derail the train every time it runs over one. Never thought about some of the other stuff though, I've learned and found more to laugh about! (And as I also collect cars in-game, thoughts on the Declasse Tornado?)
One of my fondest memories of any GTA game is SA where Id spend most of my time driving the trains around. Good times. I actually ended up making a Go Loco crew in GTA Online just so I could very lightly RP as the railroad company.
Yeah I remember doing some of those rail missions, t'was pretty good. Maybe Hyce could get a GTA SA game save with all islands unlocked, and try doing freight missions while critiquing the track design choices.
when the one locomotive is pulling 5 cars on a 20% grade through a level crossing with a 3-headed signal and no gates while being warned that it is crossing a road and then it goes through a 10 meter turn
This has made my day as someone who has played gta to much it’s awesome to see hyce play it for a bit and point out all the issues with the muscle cars that have irritated me for years 5:42
14:18 That looks like like a pair of British TPWS loops (Train Protection and Warning System). They come in pairs spaced apart and if you pass the 2nd too soon after the 1st you're overspeed and it applies the emergency brakes for you. You find them back to back like this at signals so that passing a red signal will trigger it at any speed. Now I don't know if we ever exported this system or the loop design but given the buffers and 24:18 (inherited early BR era wagon not fitted with air-brake loaded with minerals but side-door loaded) I'm just assuming they just used British assets as well for some reason
Fun fact for HYCE or anyone who doesn't know for that matter: there's about 10 or so 8 plank British wagons in the city hidden in some dark corner of the industry.
And there's more of those British wagons on the southern part of the map. There are different types of 4-wheel British wagon hidden in one of the goods yards. I reckon someone on the staff must have been somewhat of a British railway enthusiast. Not only are there a bunch of 4-wheel wagons, but there are also vehicles named Stanier and Gresley.
Honestly the British wagons are probably a minor easter egg. Also I agree about the point of GTA is just being ridiculous, but they really should at least fix the crossing cantilevers being in completely ludicrous spots.
It's not signalling-related, but I would also like to point out the little crane at 18:12 : Alone on a little siding, outside of the fence line of the industry, and with nowhere to load to or from. It's so narrow, I don't think you could squeeze a truck in there next to the train or anything And a great Kenosha moment! I was trying to remember if the trains can derail in this game (they could in San Andreas), but that outcome makes a lot of sense. 😁
I remember driving around playing GTA5 looking all this stuff bewildered. The GTA5 train infrastructure layout is very much 10 year-old setting up first train layout vibes.
16:13 I believe this is the style of sign that UP uses for permanent speed restriction. iirc the top number is passenger and the bottom is freight. So these trains are speeding by a lot
There are some just strange things I this game. It really makes me think this game went through either some development hell, the devs were on drugs, or just didn't care, because there's Stop Signs in strange places, road marking that don't line up at all, hell that dirt road in Blane County next to the tracks has railroad crossing signs in random places.
There is a mod that adds longer trains and users being able to drive them, and you can add your own custom liveries for the train so that cpuld give someone the idea to make a skin for the ES&D
There's several longer train mods, but I'd recommend Kitsune Trains and Railroad Engineer, coupled with your own custom consists. It's not uncommon in my game for example, to see a 50 or 100 car industrial train shuttling tankers or a old steam passenger train going by. The game's engine is very powerful, and one can tweak it to basically become a train simulator, which is how I normally play. I highly recommend those mods though, at the least.
I'd love to see a look at the Fallout 4 locomotive, it looks like something someone threw together in Gmod and has a lot of stuff wrong with it. The thing that tends to stick out is that it has no pistons, but it's likely intended to be a turbine locomotive, potentially a nuclear-powered one, but that does little to solve the rest of its issues.
Given how you reacted to the railway inaccuracies in GTA, I can only imagine what you'd think of Choo Choo Charles. (I've played Gta 5 many times as well, but the only railway inaccuracies I noticed myself were the crunchy curves and the bogies not turning with the track, which sort of ruined the immersion).
Looks like Rockstar needs to contract you, Hyce, to design the railroad signaling assets for GTA6 Also, you need a "What the HONK is this HONK doing here!?" shirt
Can you review the trains/railroading in Disney’s The Brave Engineer short (the one about Casey Jones)? As a casual viewer, it seemed like they had some idea of how things work, but I’d love your professional take on this wacky railroad adventure musical
It's funny, I was just talking to my wife last night about why movies like The Polar Express are banned in our house. It was her decision because I can't help but point out every inaccuracy every time we watch it. It's like a tick, I can never keep my nerdery to myself.
I think that if we take many of things here at face value, it might suggest that there used to be commuter rail. It would explain the sign (the RR likely isn't going to update it if they don't have to), the various boxes also suggest the RR didn't bother pulling anything more than they had to. It doesn't explain everything (and the one platform doesn't really make sense where it is, although maybe it used to make more sense at some point in the past). Also, when you saw the E signs near the end of track, my first thought was E for End of track.
Thank you SO much for this video and the laughs 😂 Been playing GTA V since the release and although I’m a novice rail fan; the amount of RR follies I’ve noticed over the years in the game have annoyed my fellow players in my group when I’m calling out inaccuracies. Glad I’m not alone. It is quite nice though to catch the train, stand in an open well car…drink a Pisswaser and randomly chuck explosives out at passing cars or fellow players😂
Going to guess all the rail signals are probably named something like trainsignal1 trainsignal2 etc and I'll bet the rail signal cantilever is probably a similar naming to the crossing cantilever so when populating the line I'll bet the road crossing for the train is the coding guy clicking a line up or down from the line signals.
Hey Hyce me and a friend of mine have created a railroad on railroads online named B&M lines, with the solgan of " Breaking shit & making a Mess", with a subsidiary named A&S railway and it's solgan of "We're always full of it" we're hopes to building a connection to the ES&D.
This is exactly the kind of pedantic nerdy stuff I live for! An expert in the field going into games and pointing out all the little obscure things they got wrong. Oh, that was so much fun! Thank you, Hyce! Please, I beg you, let this be the start of an ongoing series! Some other possible candidates that I can recall: Red Dead Redemption 2, especially around Saint Denis; absurdly tight turnouts and British signals abound. L.A. Noire, because only Union Pacific ran chibi streamliners out of Union Station, plus a little Pacific Electric streetrunning and Russian boxcars. Mafia: Definitive Edition; What even are these steam locomotives?! And what even is this harbor railroading? Assassin's Creed: Syndicate, because broad gauge Terriers were totally a thing, right? Might want to rope Leighton into this one for extra UK knowledge.
Rockstar North (developer of GTA V) is based in Scotland which may shed some light on why there are some weird British-like traits of the Los Santos railroad
I didn't know Hyce had muscle car knowledge. Dude just gets cooler with every video I watch. Also the really spicy area at the end, you actually drive a train though that in the single player! The only instance in the game where you get to drive a train, and it goes through that mess!
I’d love more videos in this vein! Funnily enough, my local railroad sometimes runs with roughly equivalent headways, although at much lower speeds! My favorite bit of stupidity in GTA V is still the random early 20th century British open wagons scattered around the map.
I started modding GTA V a bit ago, specifically using the "Kitsune trains" and "Railroad Engineer" mods. It made things much better, ie the ability to operate the locomotives and pilot the subways, , classic trains, redone track layout, ect. One of the first things I ever saw in the game was the improperly placed crossing signal in the thumbnail. It was at that time seeing that signal that I decided I needed to learn how to fix Rockstar's mistakes, and also went from driving cars to driving trains any time I play.
I started a series a few weeks ago where I do this in 60 seconds, because honestly, this is my favorite thing to do when I get a game and find trains in it. Glad to see I'm not the only one.
There is one gate that flashes and lowers correctly with the correct warning time until the train gets there. The one in sandy shores next to the airport
Awesome Video Hyce! I too always wondered why these signals were like this and too this day it still bugs me. The cantilevers also bug me. There should be a crossbuck on the mast above the lights and where the left crossbuck is should be lights.
I feel like in the map creation tools, they probably used some kind of brush tool that automatically places things from a pool of various assets at random distances along the ail. Probably did that for most of the rail and then just zoomed in and manually added some 'cool train stuff' around more etailed area like yards and stations and such.
There are more British wagons to be found in GTA for anyone that wants to seek them out. i'll include spoilers in read more. in LA mesa, at the metal foundry surrounded by the following roads. Aut Elysian Fwy, El Rancho Blvd, Labor Place, and Orchardville Ave. with access off Orchardville Ave.
9:15 "Civil engineers will have things to say about that." I DO. Edit: the longer I watch the more the signal arrangements remind me of what I have to do in Trainz to make the AI cooperate.
A couple of other things I noticed are those British 5 plank wagons are also at the smelters in the city, god knows why they are. There's more derailed wells in the desert just left by the trackside. There's also one spot on the map where you can find wells cars that have been double stacked, parked under the freeway when half the bridges and tunnels on the map are too low to allow a double stack to pass under them.
There's a super scuffed abandoned railyard somewhere too, with about a dozen more british open waggons and flatbeds and a tank car that's permanently stuck in a shed since its too tall for the doorway which found very amusing. Pretty sure I saw a container flat loaded with rails somewhere too.
There's a mission where you use the switch tower at the quarry to divert a train off the main and into the quarry's siding and I'm pretty sure it uses the diamond at that junction as the switch. Also in the southeastern section of the city there's a defunct section at a steel mill with vintage European cars with old chain couplers and buffers on the cars.
The grids at 14:30 look a bit like TPWS grids from the British railway network where you have 1 grid on the track where the signal is and another grid between 50 and 450 metres before the signal depending on line speed.
There is a death trap at the traffic signal crossing you were at where if you stay in the left turn lane lines through the X, you don't clear the RxR because the signals and guard rails are blocking your path. I used to see npc drivers follow it all the time only to get stuck unable to backup, then KaBLAM!! The train would hit them.
One place I LOVE that they put in is that abandoned ROW. I cant remember the name of the location, but it is very nice. Also one thing that ALWAYS makes me mad, is when the switches HAVE NO SWITCH FROG!! I can understand not adding guard rails for poly count, but even a simple textured frog would look nice!! And when train crossings just have the rail clip thru the road spline without any gaps for flanges, those make me extra mad. Love the video Hyce!! I would love to see a video on how to place signals correctly / realistically in train sims like Trainz and/or Railworks, because I always never know when to place a three head, two head, single head signal and where Have a wonderful day!!
As an artists who is in charge of putting "things in places you'd expect things," this is the type or real-world criticism I love to watch because it shows how to NOT fuck it up on the next go-around. It's not something some of my colleagues care to do themselves, and I wish it was more popular of a thing to do. Edit: 13:16, LMAO congrats on finding a ladder that doens't have a climb function attached to it too! The way ladders work is you just walk up to them and you auto-latch to it. This one is broken.
@@Hyce777 its a million times better than GTA 5! Seems Rockstar might have done some research this time! ive actually heard the paint and model are based on real steam engines from the ERA but I dont know how true it is if at all.
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Gta5 is one of those kinds of games that on the surface looks very detailed and realistic but if you actually dig just a little bit deeper, you start to notice how absurd and impractical all of the infrastructure of the world is.
Yeah. The civil engineer in me is screaming with how bad it gets lol.
I remember seeing a parking lot somewhere in the game, where the arrows just lead you to driving around the parking lot in a circle forever.
@@TotoDG the irony is, that's probably intentional, rockstar games put an unnecessary amount of effort into stupid stuff like that, which you may assume is down to sloppy work but actually it's entirely on purpose.
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Hyce: Complains about too many signals.
Also Hyce: Complains about train spacing.
My man, there are at least 12 signals between those two trains.
That is fair... lmao
@@Hyce777 lol
Lead Developer: we need you to put signals and grade crossings in the map.
Map Developer: okay, where and how many?
Lead Developer: Yes.
@@Hyce777 GTA San Andreas trains
@@Ghost_train_1915 All you gotta do is follow 'em.
Hyce's idea of being a badass lawbreaker in GTA: running within the gauge
It’s funny how the rural crossing are about the only thing close to accurate. (The little colliery waggons at the end of that yard are the cherry on top )
The Troublesome Trucks is what I thought lol.
The rail crossing gates do come down when a train approaches... Only in single player campaign.
I was wondering if the ones where they were lacking were from people plowing through them, but since they never came down, that can't be the case. The fact that they work at least in single-player is something, what is a game like GTA without being able to blow through the crossing narrowly ahead of the train to throw off a pursuing vehicle, leaving the gates a shattered ruin?
ah, I was going to say I thought I recalled them working, makes sense for online optimization to not worry about it
it works on gta online because it just heppen to me.
@@kittymoon690 What location did you see the crossing gates activate? Is it near that giant stadium in Los Santos?
It's inconsistent in Online. I've seen them work on one block and not the next.
just completely love the fact the tunnel at 15:33 has catenary
The train has to switch to electric in the tunnel, so the crew doesn't asphyxiate on exhaust. Obviously...
@@genevarailfan3909 Yeah, I remember there were actually some electrified tunnels on otherwise nonelectrified railroads in the steam era for that reason-- for example the B&O Howard Street Tunnel through baltimore. You could argue that the tunnel's caternary was left over from then.
I understand the random placement of block signals and random bits of electric railroad stuff, but someone had to consciously put those RxR cantilevers over the track and say "yea, that's correct" 😂 I died when you revealed the British trucks. Was not expecting that.
Haven’t watched it, but I wanna mention that, if you haven’t mentioned yet, the reason that there’s a lot of British buffers and some British wagons used around the yards and around some of the mines and refineries is because Rockstar is a British company, and the cars and buffers are likely preexisting assets either free for public use or made for another game.
They would have been intentionally modeled for use in GTA 5. Free assets in a AAA title is a major no-no, and they haven't done anything set in the UK recently enough to have a good quality 3D model already on hand.
@@tin2001 dude. This is Rockstar Games we’re talking about. Don’t give them that much credit. Doesn’t one of the Mafia games use a model of Big Bertha for a locomotive?
Don’t worry about the radius of the curves, catalog said “minimum curve O27”
“Watch out for the street car!”
“GP30 intensifies”😂
This video is the funniest Hyce video yet😂
But...that's SO not a GP30!
@@genevarailfan3909 is a gp40
Imma go with GP 38 (two fans)
i don’t necessarily disagree it’s either this or the cabeese racing vid
the one that made me laugh was the British rolling stock in the factory area in what is ment to be LA
The 7 plank wagons are probably a joke since the devs are from scotland, some guy was probably tickled pink putting them there.
They are also found by the steel mill I think so maybe they were made for that area and they needed something to fill the space by the chicken factory he showed.
Not going to lie.
I got unreasonably excited to see those British wagons.
I just said "what the hell"
Those aren't the only ones -- I found a bunch of them while exploring the industrial area in East Los Santos, just west of the beginning of the Elysian Fields Freeway.
Oh God I hope they fix this in gta6
@@RailRide Yeah, there's a bunch of them at the steel mill where you end the game
@@halfgecko3202 It gets even better, if you look closely there are box cars on the track that come OUT of the the foundry with no switches to explain how they got to that side of the foundry, since it only has height clearance for said little wagons.
Despite all of the signals, two trains collide head-on during the Merryweather heist
Being a GTA nerd, railfan, and car guy, I couldn't ask for much more 😂 I always liked the attempt at railroads in V, just not the execution, hopefully VI does things a bit better lol, I'd love to see some longer and better modelled trains, especially road units, as much as I like the weird GP parody V has, also I'll give the crossing gates props for having a steady burn light on the end lol, well for the ones that work
By any chance, you know why there's british coal wagons and buffers in the city?
@@Switchblade-sh3kx honestly I have no clue, other than they're by a foundry that melts metals, but I guess that doesn't excuse them being of British design and fashion lol
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Fair enough.
@@Switchblade-sh3kxAfter some nuts keep blowing up the train, or smashing cars into it, the Los Santos Ministry of Rail had to scramble for any and all cars to keep the trains running, while the rest were in the shop.
If they have to borrow some cars from Londonium and slap some narrow gauge wheels on it, so be it.
I also play and railfan. Check out the Kitsune Trains" and "Railroad Engineer" mods.
Hyce can you check out the rr in RDR2? I thought they were a bit sparce, but there’s some good detail and silliness in St. Dennis, Annesburg, Baccus bridge and tunnel, bards crossing cornwall oil & tar and the rr camp near beavers hollow. I also liked the variety of the trains, there’s two locomotive models a standard passenger or freight consist plus the mission specials. And my favorite detail is how in the story the rr company breaks up into a fee differnt companies with different liveries in the epilogue. Plus the trolleys are cute.
Now this I want to see!
I’ve spent so many hours just driving / riding the trains in RDR2. Yeah the infrastructure has some flaws, but the attention to detail is pretty crazy in the trains themselves!
I wish they'd made the trains more useful in RDR2. It sucks you can't switch tracks or crash the trains off the broken bridges or ends of tracks.
Wouldn't have taken too much more work to achieve... But the game was already delayed if I recall, so I get why they didn't.
@@tin2001 “I wish they made them more useful… It sucks you can’t () crash the trains off bridges”
Don’t forget about the railway in Red Dead 1 either!
Also, I love the way Hyce has conditioned us all that as soon as Smells like Kenosha started up we had a pretty good guess of what was coming
As someone who plays a lot of GTAV, and who is a nerd, I've found myself laughing aloud at the completely nonfunctional switches that should derail the train every time it runs over one. Never thought about some of the other stuff though, I've learned and found more to laugh about! (And as I also collect cars in-game, thoughts on the Declasse Tornado?)
50's vibes :) I enjoy it.
One of my fondest memories of any GTA game is SA where Id spend most of my time driving the trains around. Good times. I actually ended up making a Go Loco crew in GTA Online just so I could very lightly RP as the railroad company.
Yeah I remember doing some of those rail missions, t'was pretty good.
Maybe Hyce could get a GTA SA game save with all islands unlocked, and try doing freight missions while critiquing the track design choices.
20:00 the perfect example of why you don't be in the gauge unless it's necessary
At 9:27 the cross bucks are facing the right way towards the flow of traffic, but the cantilever is on the wrong side of the crossing
when the one locomotive is pulling 5 cars on a 20% grade through a level crossing with a 3-headed signal and no gates while being warned that it is crossing a road and then it goes through a 10 meter turn
This has made my day as someone who has played gta to much it’s awesome to see hyce play it for a bit and point out all the issues with the muscle cars that have irritated me for years 5:42
Congratulations CJ, you (kinda) followed the darn train.
14:18 That looks like like a pair of British TPWS loops (Train Protection and Warning System). They come in pairs spaced apart and if you pass the 2nd too soon after the 1st you're overspeed and it applies the emergency brakes for you. You find them back to back like this at signals so that passing a red signal will trigger it at any speed.
Now I don't know if we ever exported this system or the loop design but given the buffers and 24:18 (inherited early BR era wagon not fitted with air-brake loaded with minerals but side-door loaded) I'm just assuming they just used British assets as well for some reason
Fun fact for HYCE or anyone who doesn't know for that matter: there's about 10 or so 8 plank British wagons in the city hidden in some dark corner of the industry.
And there's more of those British wagons on the southern part of the map. There are different types of 4-wheel British wagon hidden in one of the goods yards.
I reckon someone on the staff must have been somewhat of a British railway enthusiast. Not only are there a bunch of 4-wheel wagons, but there are also vehicles named Stanier and Gresley.
I found those too! Gave me a good case of WTF? when I ran across them, like a British rail graveyard.
Honestly the British wagons are probably a minor easter egg.
Also I agree about the point of GTA is just being ridiculous, but they really should at least fix the crossing cantilevers being in completely ludicrous spots.
It's not signalling-related, but I would also like to point out the little crane at 18:12 : Alone on a little siding, outside of the fence line of the industry, and with nowhere to load to or from. It's so narrow, I don't think you could squeeze a truck in there next to the train or anything
And a great Kenosha moment! I was trying to remember if the trains can derail in this game (they could in San Andreas), but that outcome makes a lot of sense. 😁
"Hey train, there's a crossing, ding ding! Did you know you're coming?"
I choked on my water.
I remember driving around playing GTA5 looking all this stuff bewildered. The GTA5 train infrastructure layout is very much 10 year-old setting up first train layout vibes.
We need a whole video of Hyce critiquing the entirety of the cursed San faulty train line
16:13 I believe this is the style of sign that UP uses for permanent speed restriction. iirc the top number is passenger and the bottom is freight. So these trains are speeding by a lot
There are some just strange things I this game. It really makes me think this game went through either some development hell, the devs were on drugs, or just didn't care, because there's Stop Signs in strange places, road marking that don't line up at all, hell that dirt road in Blane County next to the tracks has railroad crossing signs in random places.
There is a mod that adds longer trains and users being able to drive them, and you can add your own custom liveries for the train so that cpuld give someone the idea to make a skin for the ES&D
There's several longer train mods, but I'd recommend Kitsune Trains and Railroad Engineer, coupled with your own custom consists. It's not uncommon in my game for example, to see a 50 or 100 car industrial train shuttling tankers or a old steam passenger train going by. The game's engine is very powerful, and one can tweak it to basically become a train simulator, which is how I normally play. I highly recommend those mods though, at the least.
@@shalopez420 although the only issue with it is you can't play in online
Hyce: What's up guys this is Lemmy Kilmister
One minute later: Proceeds to drive like he's listening to Motorhead 😂
Moral of the story, there are never enough signals, there cannot be enough signals, when in doubt: MORE SIGNALS!
13:16 There isn't a mount ladder button, just seems to be a non working ladder. It should automatically make you start climbing.
I'd love to see a look at the Fallout 4 locomotive, it looks like something someone threw together in Gmod and has a lot of stuff wrong with it. The thing that tends to stick out is that it has no pistons, but it's likely intended to be a turbine locomotive, potentially a nuclear-powered one, but that does little to solve the rest of its issues.
Not gonna lie I would love to see more of this type of content playing GTA. It would be funny in my opinion.
Given how you reacted to the railway inaccuracies in GTA, I can only imagine what you'd think of Choo Choo Charles.
(I've played Gta 5 many times as well, but the only railway inaccuracies I noticed myself were the crunchy curves and the bogies not turning with the track, which sort of ruined the immersion).
He's played choo choo charles on-stream, the VOD is on his channel
i like how at 22:04 hyce did not see the ESN'D car in the dirt that they left just there
Looks like Rockstar needs to contract you, Hyce, to design the railroad signaling assets for GTA6
Also, you need a "What the HONK is this HONK doing here!?" shirt
Can you review the trains/railroading in Disney’s The Brave Engineer short (the one about Casey Jones)?
As a casual viewer, it seemed like they had some idea of how things work, but I’d love your professional take on this wacky railroad adventure musical
I noticed the European tankers on the train but the American ones are in a siding
“The f*** is this s*** rockstar” with the whistle censor cover had me rolling 💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣
24:33 highball 2472!
It's funny, I was just talking to my wife last night about why movies like The Polar Express are banned in our house. It was her decision because I can't help but point out every inaccuracy every time we watch it. It's like a tick, I can never keep my nerdery to myself.
I think that if we take many of things here at face value, it might suggest that there used to be commuter rail. It would explain the sign (the RR likely isn't going to update it if they don't have to), the various boxes also suggest the RR didn't bother pulling anything more than they had to. It doesn't explain everything (and the one platform doesn't really make sense where it is, although maybe it used to make more sense at some point in the past). Also, when you saw the E signs near the end of track, my first thought was E for End of track.
Yes but also no
As an English person I had no idea that we were the only ones who had those eight plank open wagons. I thought they were a world wide thing.
Fun fact. If you jump on the train you can see that the wheels dont have the spinny roundy animation and they just stay still😛
Thank you SO much for this video and the laughs 😂
Been playing GTA V since the release and although I’m a novice rail fan; the amount of RR follies I’ve noticed over the years in the game have annoyed my fellow players in my group when I’m calling out inaccuracies.
Glad I’m not alone.
It is quite nice though to catch the train, stand in an open well car…drink a Pisswaser and randomly chuck explosives out at passing cars or fellow players😂
you forgot about the 7 planks near the amunation in east Los Santos
Going to guess all the rail signals are probably named something like trainsignal1 trainsignal2 etc and I'll bet the rail signal cantilever is probably a similar naming to the crossing cantilever so when populating the line I'll bet the road crossing for the train is the coding guy clicking a line up or down from the line signals.
The GTA people asked the art department if they know what a train is and forgot to bring a train person to review this crap
Hey Hyce me and a friend of mine have created a railroad on railroads online named B&M lines, with the solgan of " Breaking shit & making a Mess", with a subsidiary named A&S railway and it's solgan of "We're always full of it" we're hopes to building a connection to the ES&D.
This is exactly the kind of pedantic nerdy stuff I live for! An expert in the field going into games and pointing out all the little obscure things they got wrong. Oh, that was so much fun! Thank you, Hyce! Please, I beg you, let this be the start of an ongoing series!
Some other possible candidates that I can recall:
Red Dead Redemption 2, especially around Saint Denis; absurdly tight turnouts and British signals abound.
L.A. Noire, because only Union Pacific ran chibi streamliners out of Union Station, plus a little Pacific Electric streetrunning and Russian boxcars.
Mafia: Definitive Edition; What even are these steam locomotives?! And what even is this harbor railroading?
Assassin's Creed: Syndicate, because broad gauge Terriers were totally a thing, right? Might want to rope Leighton into this one for extra UK knowledge.
Rockstar North (developer of GTA V) is based in Scotland which may shed some light on why there are some weird British-like traits of the Los Santos railroad
what the Hyce doin
Edit: also loving the cross buck & red stop sign combo for the train at 7:58 and 8:11
Cockatoo sounds
@@Hyce777 you might have just missed my edit because I wanted to make sure you didn’t address it in the video
I didn't know Hyce had muscle car knowledge. Dude just gets cooler with every video I watch. Also the really spicy area at the end, you actually drive a train though that in the single player! The only instance in the game where you get to drive a train, and it goes through that mess!
Great video Hyce! Hopefully we get to see more shenanigans in the future!
I’d love more videos in this vein! Funnily enough, my local railroad sometimes runs with roughly equivalent headways, although at much lower speeds! My favorite bit of stupidity in GTA V is still the random early 20th century British open wagons scattered around the map.
I started modding GTA V a bit ago, specifically using the "Kitsune trains" and "Railroad Engineer" mods. It made things much better, ie the ability to operate the locomotives and pilot the subways, , classic trains, redone track layout, ect. One of the first things I ever saw in the game was the improperly placed crossing signal in the thumbnail. It was at that time seeing that signal that I decided I needed to learn how to fix Rockstar's mistakes, and also went from driving cars to driving trains any time I play.
I started a series a few weeks ago where I do this in 60 seconds, because honestly, this is my favorite thing to do when I get a game and find trains in it. Glad to see I'm not the only one.
I love how they put a railroad crossing cantilever over the tracks like a signal light
There is one gate that flashes and lowers correctly with the correct warning time until the train gets there.
The one in sandy shores next to the airport
Now I'm not gona be able to unsee all the weird discrepencies on gta tracks
14:14 that loops like a TPWS grid (basically if a train goes past a red signal TPWS trips and activates an emergency brake application)
Awesome Video Hyce! I too always wondered why these signals were like this and too this day it still bugs me. The cantilevers also bug me. There should be a crossbuck on the mast above the lights and where the left crossbuck is should be lights.
I feel like in the map creation tools, they probably used some kind of brush tool that automatically places things from a pool of various assets at random distances along the ail. Probably did that for most of the rail and then just zoomed in and manually added some 'cool train stuff' around more etailed area like yards and stations and such.
It's always a fun time, when Smells like Kenosha starts playing. Even when Hyce isn't driving a train, you know something's gonna go wrong lmao
There are more British wagons to be found in GTA for anyone that wants to seek them out.
i'll include spoilers in read more.
in LA mesa, at the metal foundry surrounded by the following roads.
Aut Elysian Fwy, El Rancho Blvd, Labor Place, and Orchardville Ave. with access off Orchardville Ave.
That sudden rush of anxiety when Kenosha starts playing in a GTAV video
9:15 "Civil engineers will have things to say about that."
I DO.
Edit: the longer I watch the more the signal arrangements remind me of what I have to do in Trainz to make the AI cooperate.
A couple of other things I noticed are those British 5 plank wagons are also at the smelters in the city, god knows why they are. There's more derailed wells in the desert just left by the trackside. There's also one spot on the map where you can find wells cars that have been double stacked, parked under the freeway when half the bridges and tunnels on the map are too low to allow a double stack to pass under them.
There's a super scuffed abandoned railyard somewhere too, with about a dozen more british open waggons and flatbeds and a tank car that's permanently stuck in a shed since its too tall for the doorway which found very amusing. Pretty sure I saw a container flat loaded with rails somewhere too.
There's a mission where you use the switch tower at the quarry to divert a train off the main and into the quarry's siding and I'm pretty sure it uses the diamond at that junction as the switch. Also in the southeastern section of the city there's a defunct section at a steel mill with vintage European cars with old chain couplers and buffers on the cars.
There's actually an industrial estate full of British wagons, with a flat wagon variant
The moment Hyce sees those 8 plank wagons and goes full German accent is priceless.
We need a live steam on GTA of Hyce doing Hyce things
Thank you! I work for the railroad and have always noticed how terrible the railroad signals were😅😂
24:17 British 8 Plank Jumpscare
That Laugh at 10:59 gets me every time. It wholesome
You get a green signal! You get a green signal! And you get a green signal! Everybody gets a green signal!!!
"Hey train, ding ding! Did you know you were coming?" I'm ded.
24:17 broke me 💀
I think it would be fun to ask the map makers at rockstar what their logic was when designing the railroad infrastructure
At 14:17, that looks like a set of TPWS grids that we have here in the UK XD And those small British wagons at the end - just the cherry on top XD
The grids at 14:30 look a bit like TPWS grids from the British railway network where you have 1 grid on the track where the signal is and another grid between 50 and 450 metres before the signal depending on line speed.
There is a death trap at the traffic signal crossing you were at where if you stay in the left turn lane lines through the X, you don't clear the RxR because the signals and guard rails are blocking your path. I used to see npc drivers follow it all the time only to get stuck unable to backup, then KaBLAM!! The train would hit them.
One place I LOVE that they put in is that abandoned ROW. I cant remember the name of the location, but it is very nice. Also one thing that ALWAYS makes me mad, is when the switches HAVE NO SWITCH FROG!! I can understand not adding guard rails for poly count, but even a simple textured frog would look nice!! And when train crossings just have the rail clip thru the road spline without any gaps for flanges, those make me extra mad.
Love the video Hyce!! I would love to see a video on how to place signals correctly / realistically in train sims like Trainz and/or Railworks, because I always never know when to place a three head, two head, single head signal and where
Have a wonderful day!!
If they removed all the redundant signals, they would probably have enough polygons to make guard rails.
In GTA V. Only a red tanker will explode. But only the one train that moves.
Jolly good fun my wagons have arrived!😂
As an artists who is in charge of putting "things in places you'd expect things," this is the type or real-world criticism I love to watch because it shows how to NOT fuck it up on the next go-around. It's not something some of my colleagues care to do themselves, and I wish it was more popular of a thing to do.
Edit: 13:16, LMAO congrats on finding a ladder that doens't have a climb function attached to it too! The way ladders work is you just walk up to them and you auto-latch to it. This one is broken.
You should do Red Dead Redemption 2
I second this
Oh my yes!! Train expert steal’s virtual train lol
Oh God I haven't really looked.... I'm sure it's bad
@@Hyce777 its a million times better than GTA 5! Seems Rockstar might have done some research this time! ive actually heard the paint and model are based on real steam engines from the ERA but I dont know how true it is if at all.
I just burst out laughing the moment I saw the title
That A sign I run by 4 times per every time I Ron the furka pass. It marks the start of a coqwheel section. The same sign with an E signals the End.
The only place I have seen more unnecessary signals is a train museum!
This was way funnier than I thought it would be! Love it!
It's fine.
It would be awesome if they consulted actual railroad/signal engineers for GTA6.
For being based on trains in LA, GTAV got a lot wrong, like where's the foot thick deep layer of trash covering the entire rail right of way?
I love your garage at the beginning of the video, thats totally my taste