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- I'm at it again! More corrosion resistance testing. This time I'll test Frog Lube against two hopefuls. I was really eager to see what this Rand CLP could do, likewise MPro7 is also a product I use because it's carried locally.
Excellent test!! Thanks for doing this one! Glad to see the FrogLube is working so well.
Thank you! I appreciate you watching and sharing man!
This video was extremely well done. thank you for making it and it has sealed the deal that I will be using Froglube.
This stuff looks incredible! im going to use it on all 4 of my brake rotors!
+Evil GST I do hope you are kidding.
+Evil GST ...that was hilarious. Tell us how much it extends your stopping distance by? ;)
OK, ya made me laugh.
Frog Lube reminds me a lot of Cosmoline. Great at preventing rust. Not something you want to use as a gun lube.
Personally I use almost nothing except Eezox as a CLP. While it is not the best cleaner out there (takes longer) it has no issues in cold weather and based on serious rust testing (you can find it on line) nothing comes close to it. It deposits a dry lube into the metal so wiping it off after 5-10 miutes is best. A lot of pro shooters use it because we have to shoot matches regardless of weather and you don't really want to get rust on your $4K STI racegun. Have not used FrogLube myself but since I shoot matches 12 months of the year inweather as cold as the 20s I likely won't.
Great video man, that test was conducted very well!
next up, friction tests! Rand talks a lot about this on their web-site, sounds really good.
I wish that I had a scientific way of testing them without using industrial test equipment.
Thanks for another comparison test!!
nice test, would have liked to see how long the Mpro7 side would have stayed clear without the rain beating on it and washing it off. Frog lube is thicker, not a surprise that more of it stayed on the rotor protecting it during and after the rain. I don't think the MPRo7 got a fair shake on corrosion resistance since it was doing so good before the rain. You proved without a doubt that the thicker froglube will stay where you put it better than all the other ones.
Great review - but I have to say, my favorite part was the FFWD with the funny voice. Great information along with a good laugh, what more do I want? Thanks for this, Patriot.
I just found your channel (and subscribed after the corrosion resistance series which is excellent) so forgive me as I have not yet got to go through all of your videos, but have you done videos on the lubricate and clean abilities of these products? If not, that would be excellent. I am sure you can come up with a great way to do a controlled test of cleaning capabilites and one for lubrication.
I think these are made for lubricating...not preventing rust.
I've heard good reviews using Eezox. Be cool to see a comparison vs. froglube
Good follow up vid!
A lot of videos on corrosion resistance test but what about friction test? The only thing I can find is FL vs Weapon Shield.
What issues did you have concerning it's lubrication abilities ?
Ballistol? I have used Ballistol and have zero issues except for the fact that I can't order any online because I live in CA; therefore, I have switched to FrogLube because I am tired of getting ripped off at the ONE firearms store I use to buy Ballistol from. If it wouldn't be too much trouble, I would like to see FrogLube VS Ballistol
+MrIceBrick I don't think you can go wrong by supporting your local shop..... unless you don't want it to be there. Me, I have options, 1 store is way overpriced and they are assholes, another to far.. the other.. my dad spent his money at ( where my first gun come from), very friendly people, cheapest prices, no brainer. I try my best to spend my money with them.
You can order Ballistol from CA online. It just has to be ground shipped.
compare weaponshield with froglube
Great job man!
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MilSpec Monkey's SHOT 2014 clip on Rand CLP had me interested only to rewatch this video and remember why I like Frog Lube soo much for corrosion resistance. Still don;t like how it clogs up when frozen but for coating the exterior parts from rust, pretty sweet! Nothing is 100% at both C, L, & P, something usually does one better.
Dude, that's incredibly insightful and one of the most intelligent summaries I've seen to date. If I could +10 your comment, I would! :)
It won't freeze up if parts only have a super light skin on them. I've tested it on my 1911 in -30 degree temps and it didn't skip a beat. It's all in the use.
Some people you could give a million dollars to and they would complain it wasn't in the right bills. Gotta hate that pause record thing. Amazed at how the FL held up in comparison. I need to get me some of that stuff.
Just curious. What were the issues you had with the Frog and firearms?
Great test, you should do the same test with Froglube and Rem Oil as Rem Oil is probably the most sold gun lube out there.
I subscribed.
I'd like to see Frog Lube vs Slipstream Styx vs FireClean. Corrosion and Lubrication.
Been using this product since it really first came out. AWESOME PRODUCT!!!!! No real complaints other than over time my 1911 can feel a tad bit sticky ( takes a long time for that to happen). It wipes off clean and makes cleaning my weapons easier every time I use it. Trolls are always going to say something about everything and people always drink the "Kool-Aid" but this stuff has always been able to speak for itself. If you want to really drive a point home to viewers you should do the same steps again ( just let your metal soak in a plastic tub with water and a whole bottle of salt) Give it 5 days and shock the trolls! Frog lube wins again.
Rand CLP better at lubrication and removing carbon and not preventing rust, you should test Corrosion X ?
Try corrosion x when you have a chance. its popular with saltwater fishermen for protecting reels.
I am a frogluber, so this is very good news. I do have a product that I use for lubrication on items such as hinges, pad locks, bolts etc. It is called Zep 45, it comes in an aerosol can. Around my old shop we called it mechanic in a can. It completely dominates any other penetration oil I have ever used, including wd-40, liquid wrench and probably a dozen others. It can also be used on guns but I've been hesitant to try because I don't know anyone who has used it. I think it would make for a great test.
thanks for the test. what are your reservations about using FL as firearm lube?
Excellent job carrying out these tests, Patriot. I appreciate the effort you've put into them, and they seem plenty scientific and fair to me. More evidence that I'm making the right choice with the green stuff on all my guns, knives, tools.
Hey Ryan, I really appreciate your approval and positive feedback man! It's great to know when people find this stuff helpful and enjoyable and it gives me some encouragement to keep going at this youtube stuff! In fact, it's about time for another one of these so I'm probably going to look at the request list a pick the 2-3 most popular products mentioned an get a test rolling. This has been a popular series for me and thanks for taking the time to watch and comment.
Patriot36
Really enjoyed the video, I was going to ask, since you're talking about doing another video could you test the Sentry Solutions line? I was about to try it on one of my guns just to see how it does. It's been around for a while but you don't hear that much about it for some reason. Supposedly it's used by the SEAL's, and quite a few other groups in the military.
I was also gonna ask why you wouldn't like Frog Lube as a gun lube or the reservations you have about using it on guns? Thanks and thanks for the video.
sloblk8 Thanks man! It's the first time I've had a request for that product but I'll put it on the list.
I've seen froglube gum up too many firearms in order for me to recommend it as a go to gun lube. The solution for this gumming side-effect seems to be using less according to die-hard proponents. The problem that I've found with this theory is that the product becomes gummy whether it's used liberally or sparingly. In other words, a 1/10 of a drop of FL has the same properties as a full drop of FL. If a full drop causes stickiness, a 1/10 of a drop will cause stickiness to a lesser extent. This is most evident in close tolerance assemblies. While it may not be noticed on a Mosin-Nagant, it's still noticed in the firing pin channel of a glock, XD, & M&P and most certainly evident with a tight slide to frame fit. Sig's, Beretta's and especially quality 1911's all can suffer. If it should happen to seep into the action of a revolver and sit in storage, there's a good chance that it won't operate next time you want it to. More so the case if it's had a trigger job or other tuning.
Patriot36 Did you mean it gums up fire arms in COLD WEATHER or in ALL weather ?
I've noticed the issue even when it hasn't been cold. The fan club say that you're supposed to completely dry it from every surface however, my argument is if it's so critical that it will bind the workings of my gun if I miss a drop, why would I use that product. Sometimes I'm fast and sloppy with my cleaning because I can't invest 30 min. per gun x however many I got dirty. Normal CLP's work just fine in my environment and I don't have to worry if I got a bit extra in some close tolerance mechanism.
Great vid you did a superb job can't wait for the next one ;)
Ok, I'm looking for the next 3 most popular, highly touted corrosion stoppers.
Awesome test. Frog lube is clearly the winner. Thx!
I just don't get why any shade tree tester wastes massive steel brake rotors instead of using welding sheet steel for a few pennies per test swatch. Sherwin-Williams does not build subdivisions of houses to test samples side by side. Products do not soak into metal - period. They volatilize, so the one with the least solvent ends up most coated. Should just apply the way normal people would use, ie liberally, re-applying if it looks dry.
I used FL and Rand in the past, but switched to M Pro 7 and Slip 2000.Both FL and Rand didn't have any issues, however...i just wanted to try something different. 7 and 2000 work very well. Great tests...thanks brother.
I use m pro 7 oil and cleaner on my guns. I was gonna switch to something else but it seems to hold up very well with fire arms. Thnks for this test gives me a good idea of what I should be using
lmao people actually complain about you taking the excess off? fuck them, damn good video! quick, to the point, great controls. two thumbs up!
Thanks man! Tried to keep it as even as possible, with the understanding that I'm not a scientist in a laboratory running the tests dozens of times.
Awesome test!!! I am sold on frog lube. Buying some asap!! Thank you!!
You put a lot of effort into your tests and try to keep it fair; well done. Thx for the uploads!
For those who don't know Frog Lube has now removed or changed the ingredient that requires you to shake the liquid before use.
Pretty extensive test my friend. I do enjoy your videos and appreciate the time you take to give your opinions on a variety of things. THANKS!
Great video! Since you've had some issues with the Froglube on firearms, would you recommend MPro7 as the "go to" lube for firearms?
Thank you! I've had no trouble with MPro7, Militech, or even Mobil1 5-30W. I would use them all before I used FL as a firearms lube. I've just had too many issues with it. That stated, I've treated every knife & tool that I own with FL. As long as it doesn't have moving parts that rely on the force of spring pressure to move them, I love the stuff! :)
Thanks for taking the time to create such a scientific style experiment.
Damn good vid patriot
Thanks man!
Frog lube seems to be a great product, but may have some cold weather thickening issues from what I've seen.
Yeah, I've noticed the same thing. Any firearm with tight tolerances seems to have issues with FL.
Great test! If I was going to war with my handgun, Froglube would be in my repertoire. However, for CCW I can't justify the cost of FL. It's great stuff, yet it's also high dollar stuff.
something I noticed as a CCW guy, is since Frog Lube is plant product I'm not ruining clothes with oil stains anymore. This stuff just washes out, also after the third time you clean your gun it doesn't really take much after that. I have used 4oz of Frog lube in 1 year for a mauser, a mosin, 2 savage bolt guns, a BCM AR15, a smith and Wesson shield, 2 Springfield XDms, a black powder rifle and 3 .22 rifles.
and I shoot alot!!!!!!!
Awesome test. Really makin me convinced on the frog lube. Appreciate the time and effort you take on these videos.
Hey, a friend of mine made a new type of lubricant that protects metals even after being submerged in salt water for weeks. mind if we send you a sample to test out?
My only issues with FL have been it getting sticky over time, probably due to it's protective elements. Rand is perhaps a little better in that regard. Generally speaking, all of these products are good and will keep a weapon in working order if used appropriately. I find RAND to be my favorite all around CLP , but FL is for sure better at corrosion duties and decent lube ability while RAND seems to split the difference and is a great GP lube and decent corrosion protection.
I am seriously, seriously impressed with your baseline and near clinical thoroughness presented here. Additionally, what you've shown was a remarkable outcome, especially FOR Frog Lube. When you look deeper, FL is a 'treatment' vs a 'CLP' as the others. FL is designed to impregnate the metal surface and provide a super slick protectant akin to what we'd be relative to call a 'teflon' type mannerism. You also APPLIED it correctly for all baselines, including FL to have it heated up FIRST. FL is non-toxic, biodegradable and plant based with NO petroleum. It's effect as you showed it here solidifies it's make up as a serious contender. The creator of FL is a previous SEAL, Mr. Larry Lasky and it shows he really knows the product and what it has to deliver. I, personally have zero affiliation with Mr. Lasky, the Frog Lube brand or any subsidiary of its product line, just a retired Vet myself wanting superior protection for my firearms. And now, a believer of FL thanks to this vid. Job well done Sir.
I've been a FrogLube user for two years. The brilliant thing about it is that you don't need to slather it on and coat your gun parts. The heat causes it to soak in, then you are supposed to WIPE IT ALL OFF. During firearm use, all the friction points will warm up and the FrogLube will "sweat" out of the metal and lube the gun like a light oil. You guys that are having cold condition issues are coating too heavily.
I use M Pro 7 Gun Oil LPX and feel good about it. Truth is I'm not going to be leaving my gun out in the elements like this, and I think there is a little more to it than this. It would be interesting to see you do a test with a gun.
bellofello1 , had issues in cold weather with frog lube but once he made sure to wipe his gun parts dry the issues went away !
Why would any one use anything else than FrogLube? IMHO, FL is great stuff.
With regards to corrosion protection, I haven't found anything to beat it yet. As a general firearms lube, it has it's issues.
Patriot36 Please look up a product called Eezox. After years of testing in harsh environments, it's the only product i trust for corrosion protection. I have no connection to the company. Her are some examples of it in independent tests..
www.6mmbr.com/corrosiontest.html
Patriot36 What issues ?
Wal-mart brake cleaner and lighter fluid....
Never heard it called white gas tho.
Froglube......is a degreaser! :p
Here's my issue with Froglube. First off I don't go around looking for YT vids to bash. I comment you (yes, 4 yrs later) on your diligence in your test. However, I'm not really translating your testing protocol for lack of a better term, to my usage of these oils in my firearms. All that said, now to my experience. I initially got on the Froglube train. Stuff smelled great. Heck I wasn't sure whether to oil my rifles with it or rub it on my kid's chest when he had a cough. (lol at this point) My issue with FL came with some inclimate weather shooting. I'm not a fair weather shooter. I train in shitty WX (weather) and I train in shitting wx. In Texas that means when we get that strange occurrence of 12-15 ice storm/sleeting weather, I will continue to train, and in August/September when it's 114 I will still train. And of course all points in between - like when it's EXCEPTIONALLY nice out and the Bluebonnets are in full bloom with the Indian Paintbrushes I'm out training. So let's back up. Froglube and me. I lubricated my 12.5 DD SBR and a 10.3 (BA Hanson) and a 14.5 BA Hanson SS) All 3 guns had FL as their SOLE lubricant. This was early January and I had agreed to take a Venezuelan buddy of mine out. He's a good shooter. Went through SFAS, was selected and during the Q course, had to have a hip replaced.. Long story short, Uncle Same put him back on the block. Anyway he wanted to go shooting. I took him out and we started shooting. We were running drills from various distances, so at longer distances I was shooting my 14.5, which my 12. 5 and 10.3 rested on the tailgate (with Rhino lining) of my F-150 4x4. After running some medium to long range drills we moved up to the CQ range. At this point my Venezuelan buddy didn't want to get out of the truck. I left him there and started a CQ course of fire. Immediate I started having feeding issue. Now mind you, it's sleeting at this point and had been for a while. Instead of troubleshooting my 12,5, I grabbed my 10.3 which was underneath the 12.5 in a soft case (not zipped.) I start running into the same issues. As I looked into the issue, I discovered the Froglube, while "protecting" my BCG, was not LUBING my BCG. The Froglube in about 12-15 degree WX, with a pretty hard driving sleet, was nothing short of GUNK on my BCG. My weapons couldn't cycle because the Froglube had turned in to something like a gunky condiment. it was too thick, and not easily wiped off. I tried some more Froglube thinking it would counteract the gunky film on my BCG (and in my feed ramps) but it did not. The way it interacted with the cold weather and sleet, just continued to gunk up. Ultimately I pulled the BCG's cleaned them and coated with a light coat of Slip 2000. BCG back in both SBR's and ran drills until I was soaked and beyond frozen. Time to RTB. When I got back home and got my firearms out of the truck into my non-climate controlled shop (read as colder than a witches tit because I had no heat) the Froglube on my 14.5 was gunky and almost gelatinous. At that point I personally fired Froglube as my lube of choice and used Slip2000 and Machine Gunners oil from Tactical Springs down in Austin. Both performed well in inclimate weather. Since that time -which was about 3 years ago, I continue to use both, but my primary cleaning oil, especially since I run suppressed AR's almost all the time, is Rand. I'm not going to go into why I use Rand in this veritable book I've written here, but needless to say, it really is everything that Randand Kyle Lamb say it is. I'm writing this from my air conditioned shop, which has it's own laptop and work benches, office chairs and most importantly a fridge which contains some really good Barro Creek brew and some Blood and Honey from Revolver brewing co. I have not left Rand CLP behind, because I have been out training in the same shitty freezing weather and I have ran 1000 round training sessions at TacPro in Mingus Texas where it was no less than 112 outside air temp. Running a can, magnifying that heat well beyond 112, my choice of lubricants continues to hold strong. I still use Slip 2000, but on my suppressed BCG's they are always coated with Rand. It lubes well under intense heat. Doesn't turn into Aunt Gertrude's Jello Dish during really cold WX, and the rare occasion I do clean my weapons, my BCG still wipes down with an old T-Shirt. All the gunk and carbon from firing a lot of ammo. They both work, and they work well, even in tandem. in the video you alluded to the fact that Froglube "got sticky". Sticky in a firearm, for example the AR-15 is a bad thing. A very bad thing. i'd much rather deal with some rust and still have my weapon 100% functional than have a pretty shiny BCG that won't cycle because it feels like someone cleaned my BCG with Elmers Glue Paste. Because in extremely cold WX, Froglubes will crate far more problems
The End.
The rain might have washed of some of the product of the MPRO7, thank you for the info.
Isn't the Frog lube paste and the Frog lube liquid the same product ? They are both CLP's. Does this mean that they are both solvents ?
WD 40 Specialist Long Term Corrosion Inhibitor beat them all in extensive testing. There is a video of one guy who compared like 40+ different products and in the end the above item came out top performer. Its NOT a lube, only a rust inhibitor
Have you compaired froglube to seal1? I'd like to know which is better. So far in your opinion what is the best for your guns?
Your tests have sold me on switching to FrogLube. However, I agree on point of not relying solely on that as an actual lubricant. What would you suggest? I was recommended Tetra grease for my Glock's frame rails.
when you make a test break free CLP vs froglube I use bot and I think break free CLP is better bicus froglube you got apply heat by for apply froglube and break free CLP you yes apply and tha set and thanks for take you time and make this test...😃😃😃
M-Pro 7 is a water-based NON-TOXIC cleaner (you don't need gloves to clean your firearm) and lubricant that attaches itself to the carbon left in your barrel and lifts it out when you wipe is away while leaving a fine (mono-molecular) film on the metal that inhibits further carbon build up. You got those strange markings after the rain because it is a water-based solution. M-Pro 7 was not designed to 100% block rust to cater for those who leave their firearm out in the rain for weeks on end.
M-Pro 7 was designed to be a Non-Toxic cleaner and prevent the effect of harmful chemicals we produce on the environment. They took a fresh look at how gun chemicals 'clean' metal surfaces of firearms and went down to the microscopic level and discovered that the inside barrel surface is actually like a sponge. This was trapping carbon molecules, which would slowly build up over time even after traditional cleaning. M-Pro 7 binds to carbon residue and removes it at the molecular level - no other cleaner that I know of does this.
So, if you don't want your firearm to rust, clean it regularly or store it in a dehumidifier enabled cabinet. If you want your barrel free of carbon residue (i.e. clean), use M-Pro 7.
Otherwise, a very good test Patriot 36 - keep it coming!
I read that Froglube, Seal1 and Tracklube are all the same stuff. Tracklube is a biodegradable roller-coaster track lubricant and corrosion preventative. When you think about the vast surface area of high carbon steel that has to be protected it isn't surprising that the application would require a pretty high-performance protectant.
The question remains whether the friction reduction is there for the froglube/tracklube however. I think I'm going to use my Mobil 1 for lube and Froglube/Tracklube for storing my guns.
at the end of this video you mention you're not sure of FrogLube as a lubricant because of past experience. Can I ask what that experience was? I'm still trying to make a decision on the stuff.
Thanks for the video!
Forget the haters Patriot. Great test and keep up the good work!
The liquid is the same stuff as the paste. Just like a thinned out grease it does clean carbon but so does grease. The narrower temperature band is an entirely different issue. I will stick with the Montana Extreme grease -50F to 600F+
well you did say you wiped the frog shit off. I don't let my gun just sit in the rain so I guess i'll just keep using pro 7 till I see more evidence.....I bought this pro 7 not really knowing much about it but I think it did pretty good. hell in the desert I think it's would last forever. what do you guys think? whats the best oil in a humid condition's beside's this frog shit.... im not convincedprops on the video though... good job... cheers!
Patriot, excellent test. I have not looked at your other videos and will look now, but questions would be how possibly using salt spray would work? and have you compared this to militec1? I have used militec1 for over a decade and love it but heating helps it more than other oils. CLP was terrible in my use. And I may use that Mpro on my knives ;)
I have been using FL for a few years now great stuff but you have to follow the directions heat it in and wipe it off and you are good. I have been at every complete gun break down a real good clean down then heating up applying the FL paste heavy given it 20 or so minutes to cool down then heating and cooling 2 more times I find I don’t have to reapply for the following heatings. Then wiping off and reassemble. I usually use the spray liquid for general clean up and apply a very very light coat on the slides of my 1911s. It good on toast too no just joking. I my do a video on it. One thing the FL degreaser be careful with this it is water base and I found out the hard way by soaking a few parts in it one broke the surface of the liquid and cause so rust since it was exposed to the air the submerged parts had no problems.
Have you tried Lanox or Lanolin, it is an Australian product, i don't know if they export or not. I use it on my boat trailers, and don't have a problem with salt water.
www.inoxmx.com/inox/mx4-lubricant/
I was very much into the Frog lube but all the crap about pre heating the weapon was a deal breaker for me,Hoppes's no.9 is the way to go.
I've heard nothing but problems from people who've used frog lube. Impressive corrosion resistance, but I'm not sure that outweighs its tendency to gunk up the action of firearms, even when coated only lightly...
Yeah, as the years went on, Frog Lube really started showing its problems with long term storage. I liked it when it first came out, but it turned to glue on a bcg in one of my ARs that I dont shoot often and had sitting in the safe for about a year.
Excellent video, thank you for taking the time to do this video.
Should have made 2 controls. One heated and one not heated. Test would be a little more complete. Other brands may break down with heat.
I would appreciate a test of FL vs. TW-25B, please.
I like the pro,but here lately I have been using a oil additive called pro long with great results,they also do friction test with it here on you tube if you want to check it out..if you get a chance can you do a test with the pro long product?thanks..
What I wonder about is whether the specialty oils in spray cans are really much better than simple, cheap treatments. Motor oil rubbed on with a rag? Or a brushed on slurry of lithium bearing grease and diesel?
I think we are seeing that the Frog Lub is pretty water resistant. With limited or no water, other then dew, they all hold up pretty well. But when it rained, clearly the Frog Lub held up better.
Try putting it up against a real competitor. Corrosion X always does good in these kinds of tests.
The new froglube is garbage I heard the original creator sued the person that stole the formula and hd to change it. They used to lubricate tracks with froglube for roller coasters
have you looked at inhibitor v80 how doest that one stack up?
Excellent, the testing you do is the best method and approach comparing to all other tests ever performed anywhere on the web. Liked and subscribed.
May I suggest your next corrosion test to again include Frog Lube but this time include Corrosion X into the test and I think it will be another epic test and to let Frog Lube really run for its money against the most serious contender ever. And if you throw Eezox and Slip 2000 into equation this would be a truly sensational "contest".
Thank you! Corrosion X, Eezox, slip2000, Froglube. I'll see what I can do. :)
Where have you been buddy? 6 years and no videos?
Great vid Patriot! Don't let that 5% get you down!
Why doesn't anyone ever test Weapon Shield?
You did a meticulous job on this experiment 👍
That was the best test I've seen so far when it comes to clps.I have both froglube and Mpro-7
I appreciate the encouragement, man! Thank you!
and wow rand sucks huh? at least at corrosion resistance.
Great test! I'd love to see if all the hype of fire clean is true.
What kind of issues have you seen with frog lube as a weapon lube???
Thanks! Mostly sticking components and gummy parts, more so when cold.
Thanks for testing. It helps us all.
I have Frog Lube on all my weapons! No problems! Great video!!!
George Ballard Go Noles
I love these test great stuff.
Thanks Wingman!
Great video. Fun and informative.
So...the lesson is not to leave your guns outside in the rain? :)
Love Frog Lube. It really works!
Yeah... but which one smells better!
MPRO looks like it made Damascus steel.
Is froglube work for the knives as well?
I would like to see frog lube go against fire clean.
Nice detailed job of testing....