i really hope the prospector gets an update like this, with the interior we could have a panel that controls each side of what ore we want in what container, from a internal ore buffer like on salvage ships, as well as being able to dump the inert material as it was stating in the QnA was a feature of the prospector
One item of note: The Vulture has 2 size 1 heads, the Fortune has 1 size 2 head. (according to erkul). It will be interesting to see how they compare in use.
This is incorrect. Erkul lists the Fortune with one S2 head, and the Vulture with two S2 heads. However both ships use S1 modules. Though these salvage heads are weird, since even the Reclaimer is listed as using an S2 head, however its scraper has different stats to the Vulture, IIRC. However the Reclaimer's turret is S5, so perhaps that's the deciding factor. But even then, both Fortune and Vulture have S1 salvage arms.
0:19 it is not actually longer, and i believe its dimensions are exact to the Prospector. It appears and feels longer because it no longer has those ore bags, and because it has a much larger interior. It has a larger interior because most of the Prospector's internals are taken up by what i can assume to be ore sorting and other related systems that funnel ores to the bags and such. The Fortune's interior simply replaces all of that.
I already own a Vulture but this intrigues me. If they offer it in a MISC Combo pack with the prospector with LTI I believe I will pull the trigger. We'll have to see.
Stop making such a dillema of it, grab a couple of store CCU's NOT WARBOND, grab a couple of cheap LTI tokens at an event/sale NOT REFERRALS, and build from that. Dont make a girls night of it.
They could also make the Vulture be the only salvage ship that stores RMC within the little buffer mill it has. Otherwise, you'd lose the advantage the Vulture has over the Fortune if they revert it to only storing 1 SCU worth of salvage in the buffer unless they also make the cargo ejection system automated. You know, besides being able transport vehicles around. And not being mistaken for a Prospector with who knows what on board.
Not morth the money to pledge for it. It has a S2 salvage head which, in theory, should mean it scrapes faster. It doesnt. Reclaimer average scrape speed on smooth hulls (crusader ships, starfarer, HH) is roughly 2.1-2.5 cSCU. The Vulture with 2 S1 heads can be kept at 2.8-3.2 fairly easily. Getting out of your seat is a moot point because you'd still have to get out to move at least 4 SCU to the back in the Fortune. So one trip out of the seat. I can fit 38 SCU reliably in the Vulture with minimal effort. Using the cSCU speed, it would take about 21 minutes of just scraping (not including ejecting boxes) to get to 38. With the Fortune and its average scrape speed, it would take 29.5 minutes. Not a small difference in time between the two. Quite a hefty penalty in fact. What CIG is good at doing is buffing/nerfing things to benefit the sales of a new ship. So we could finally see a buff to S2 heads which should absolutely happen because a single Reclaimer salvage head SHOULD scrape faster than the Vulture but it doesn't...
@birdmonster4586 ah, I thought during the data mining it had come out it was a S2 head which lead us to believe it was a mid-sized salvager. If they try to sell this ship for more than the Prospector is going for now then it's DOA. Man......if it is a S1 head.....sheesh. If they charge more than $125 then it's DOA. That would take it's scrape speed down to 1.5...so, now you're looking at 42 minutes to get to the theoretical 38 SCU (that's including buffer). Garbage ship if that really is a S1 head. You get out of your chair twice in a Vulture to move boxes. You get out once in a Fortune but the fortunate takes twice as long to scrape? Not worth that trade-off at all.
@@TheeKevlarDuckythe Fortune should be scraping at almost the same speed as the Vulture with its single s2 beam. And you shouldn't have to get out of the seat until you get to the 25th scu. Then you either head home or eject and someone in a small cargo ship grabs up the 25 single scu boxes on the ground/ near space. That's all the plus. The negative is that it can't really hold any salvaged components. Not really. But it's more likely that a Fortune will team up with a Freelancer and that's a win for social gaming.
I guess those pads - with what seems to be magnetic rails connecting them - will work like a conveyor belt in order to automatically organize the SCU produced. But these specialized pads might not be able to carry other item types, unlike a classic cargo grid. As a result, the Fortune could be faster for hull scraping but less versatile than the Vulture. If I'm not wrong, the latter is also waiting for the Maelstrom tech so it might be able to munch hull pieces between its front arms in the future.
It looks good. Happy with my Vulture, though. Would switch if it can carry more RCM with less fuss. If you put the Vulture boxes off the cargo grid you can carry about 20-26 boxes in the hold (depending on the skill and courage of the one placing the boxes) plus another 13 in the buffer. I heard the Fortune might have two buffers (so 2x13). And with 2x6 SCU's on the side that would be 38 SCU's and I'd be mildly happy but not outright convinced. But I don't need to be. Got a Vulture already.
idk why but if it could hold 12 scu on both sides it would've probably been so much better thn 6 scu on both sides, this just feels like an extra small version of a salvager
If the fortune had a double size buffer, to account for the two sides I'd consider it. But at this point I'm not sure since we lose a whole salvage beam in the process. The whole argument in favour of the Fortune is that it has the cargo on the outside of the ship. To be honest, unloading a Vulture is not that hard or time consuming. Point the cargo bay at the Cargo elevator, land, unload, it really doesn't work out any harder than I see the fortune being while also being a much faster to do the job. I dunno, I'm not seeing it. I'm a big MISC Fanboy and was keen for the Fortune, but it's definitely a wait and see.
I think the Fortune looks a bit goofy because of the containers missing in the middle ... looks a bit strange to me. But I can´t wait for the reviews of the ship ^^
The main things this does are salvage and store salvage. Yet more volume is committed to a corridor to the back of the ship than is committed to either of those tasks. Very small changes, dedicated to cargo, would have massively increased the utility of the vehicle.
Nice, hopefully those external cargo pads can hold other boxes too! i'd love to be able to store some "salvaged" cargo on the outside as well as the RMC if it's worth more.
honestly they should have made it more of like an upgrade when compared to the vulture, after seeing that they just made it to compete with the vulture rather than making it the games first medium salvage ship like myself and others were hoping for
Easy upgrade for me. Vulture is tedious to use with the lil 1 box at a time thing and a million doors to wait for. Go out, do your thing, come back. If a pirate wants boxes, they're not going to use tractor beams to do it - just guns.
I would've liked to see it in action. Like what happens with the boxes. Does it automatically put them out? I'm interested to see how well this compares to a vulture time wise of the actual salvage process, dealing with cargo, and how much it makes on a single run. I have a feeling this is going to kill the vulture.
Thinking on a downside, not being able to store ad hoc cargo. Also you mentioned some Hull series ship being ace at such. Maybe Fortune cargo grid extends to Hull config?
*Not sure WHY I would swap my Vulture that I can stack to a max 24 SCU for a Fortune that can only max 12 SCU? I was expecting something a bit bigger, perhaps a max stack 32 SCU but what we have here is a DOWNGRADE!!! No thanks..l'll stick with my Vulture.* 😒😒
I thought when they fist announced the Fortune it was going to be bigger then the Vulture? Don't get me wrong i get what they are doing with this ship cause it's a test bed for this cargo system that other ships like the Arrastra. But this seams like a lazy way to implement a new ship unless they are doing to update the Prospector with this ships interior.
What can it haul vs vulture would be my question because if the trip out is significantly more aeuc than vulture then it may be interesting. I don’t care about component hauling because I never bother anyway I mostly panel salvage for a quick influx of cash. If the fortune is a hundred thousand more a haul then it may be worth it but if it’s the same or less money per trip than the vultures bay is more useful and I’ll stick with that.
I don't think its a good idea for the MISC Fortune to compete with the Drake Vulture. Having only 1 salvage head, exposed cargo and limited cargo interior... someone just didn't do their homework at CIG.
CIG keeps it up with the terrible decisions. Instead of making a unique, well-needed salvage ship in-between the Reclaimer and the Vulture, they just take the Prospector and turn it into a Vulture equivalent salvage vessel. It doesn't give any "new" vibes and drive people to buy something and it doesn't add any variety or fit a much needed role either. Just another ship we didn't need at all. Meanwhile, the MSR and Herald have been without data running for over half a decade. Cool stuff.
This will actually be worse than the vulture because at least in the vulture you can put extra cargo off the cargo grid this one seems you will be forced to have to snap it on the outside. Furthermore the cargo is now exposed outside for everyone to see 😂
it automatically stores it externally no manual effort required, the trade off is not as much storage, i think its a fair compromise, vulture was always really a two person craft to be the most efficient, now one person can salvage while the other tractors off cubes to a larger delivery vessel
@beardedbarnstormer9577 I disagree you can argue that they both are two person ships one way or another. Also you have to put in consideration that even though it's automated you're having to run around on both sides of the ship to dispense your cargo and you're still vulnerable to more attacks because people will see that you have cargo I'm also not a huge fan of misc ships with the failure of wasted space of the starLancer and the Really problematic storage in the center of that ship if only they could get rid of that middle catwalk so you can move Cargo in between each side I would say hooray as far as design of misc ships they seem to be lacking.
@beardedbarnstormer9577 there's something else that maybe I'm not seeing with this misc salvaging ship is where is the grinding port in the front from the pictures I've seen so far and these videos it literally looks like the prospector at some point in time they have to get away from incinerating ships and give us the ability to actually cut and slice away parts of the ship to grind it
Really pissed CIG took the Prospector, updated its chassis, made a Salvaging variant that barely changes the external bits, and then DIDNT UPDATE THE PROSPECTOR! Its like the whole MPUV and Ballista thing all over again.
I'm curious to see how they will price the fortune. if the ever-popular vulture costs 175 dollars and can do almost twice as much, i wouldn't expect more than 150 dollars, despite the nicer interior. 75 would be fair. and maybe they offer it as a starter package for new players, if you start with a small money printing machine life in the verse is easier,
Not a chance. It will be between $155 and $200 at my guess. It will hold the same amount of cargo looking at the grid layout so will do what the vultcher does equally maby even more. The listed scu is 16, if i recall the vulture holds 12 scu
Oh lord...... NOW they're gonna make each manufacture have a salvage ship...? Looks like they've almost hit their peak when it comes to shops designing..... Hey, I'm just saying....
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i really hope the prospector gets an update like this, with the interior we could have a panel that controls each side of what ore we want in what container, from a internal ore buffer like on salvage ships, as well as being able to dump the inert material as it was stating in the QnA was a feature of the prospector
One item of note: The Vulture has 2 size 1 heads, the Fortune has 1 size 2 head. (according to erkul). It will be interesting to see how they compare in use.
This is incorrect.
Erkul lists the Fortune with one S2 head, and the Vulture with two S2 heads.
However both ships use S1 modules.
Though these salvage heads are weird, since even the Reclaimer is listed as using an S2 head, however its scraper has different stats to the Vulture, IIRC. However the Reclaimer's turret is S5, so perhaps that's the deciding factor.
But even then, both Fortune and Vulture have S1 salvage arms.
@@ulvemann43 We'll know for certain soon. It should release with the red festival.
I believe the Fortune will be faster with less cargo. They might put more missions in as well.
0:19 it is not actually longer, and i believe its dimensions are exact to the Prospector.
It appears and feels longer because it no longer has those ore bags, and because it has a much larger interior.
It has a larger interior because most of the Prospector's internals are taken up by what i can assume to be ore sorting and other related systems that funnel ores to the bags and such.
The Fortune's interior simply replaces all of that.
Thank you - I will try one - just because it looks like I wont have to do the "manual" Vulture things to get boxes/
I already own a Vulture but this intrigues me. If they offer it in a MISC Combo pack with the prospector with LTI I believe I will pull the trigger. We'll have to see.
same here,id buy it for 300 if it came with prospector.
Stop making such a dillema of it, grab a couple of store CCU's NOT WARBOND, grab a couple of cheap LTI tokens at an event/sale NOT REFERRALS, and build from that. Dont make a girls night of it.
@@davewills6121 to late… they gave me what I wanted.. girls night out accomplished!
Thanks, Law.
They could also make the Vulture be the only salvage ship that stores RMC within the little buffer mill it has. Otherwise, you'd lose the advantage the Vulture has over the Fortune if they revert it to only storing 1 SCU worth of salvage in the buffer unless they also make the cargo ejection system automated.
You know, besides being able transport vehicles around. And not being mistaken for a Prospector with who knows what on board.
Not morth the money to pledge for it. It has a S2 salvage head which, in theory, should mean it scrapes faster. It doesnt. Reclaimer average scrape speed on smooth hulls (crusader ships, starfarer, HH) is roughly 2.1-2.5 cSCU. The Vulture with 2 S1 heads can be kept at 2.8-3.2 fairly easily. Getting out of your seat is a moot point because you'd still have to get out to move at least 4 SCU to the back in the Fortune. So one trip out of the seat.
I can fit 38 SCU reliably in the Vulture with minimal effort. Using the cSCU speed, it would take about 21 minutes of just scraping (not including ejecting boxes) to get to 38. With the Fortune and its average scrape speed, it would take 29.5 minutes. Not a small difference in time between the two. Quite a hefty penalty in fact.
What CIG is good at doing is buffing/nerfing things to benefit the sales of a new ship. So we could finally see a buff to S2 heads which should absolutely happen because a single Reclaimer salvage head SHOULD scrape faster than the Vulture but it doesn't...
The Salvage head sizes are the same size. Fortune just has one less. Which still isn't great.
@birdmonster4586 ah, I thought during the data mining it had come out it was a S2 head which lead us to believe it was a mid-sized salvager. If they try to sell this ship for more than the Prospector is going for now then it's DOA.
Man......if it is a S1 head.....sheesh. If they charge more than $125 then it's DOA. That would take it's scrape speed down to 1.5...so, now you're looking at 42 minutes to get to the theoretical 38 SCU (that's including buffer). Garbage ship if that really is a S1 head. You get out of your chair twice in a Vulture to move boxes. You get out once in a Fortune but the fortunate takes twice as long to scrape? Not worth that trade-off at all.
@@TheeKevlarDuckythe Fortune should be scraping at almost the same speed as the Vulture with its single s2 beam. And you shouldn't have to get out of the seat until you get to the 25th scu. Then you either head home or eject and someone in a small cargo ship grabs up the 25 single scu boxes on the ground/ near space. That's all the plus. The negative is that it can't really hold any salvaged components. Not really. But it's more likely that a Fortune will team up with a Freelancer and that's a win for social gaming.
I guess those pads - with what seems to be magnetic rails connecting them - will work like a conveyor belt in order to automatically organize the SCU produced. But these specialized pads might not be able to carry other item types, unlike a classic cargo grid. As a result, the Fortune could be faster for hull scraping but less versatile than the Vulture. If I'm not wrong, the latter is also waiting for the Maelstrom tech so it might be able to munch hull pieces between its front arms in the future.
Seems like the Fortune will be a ship below the Vulture in size and also as it relates to volume of salvage capabilities
The community wanted a medium salvage ship, and they give us this.
When I think industrial ship, I think ARGO.
A new salvage ship should have been ARGO, designed to offload to the Raft.
I agree with you bit im still happy because im a misc fanboy.
It looks good. Happy with my Vulture, though. Would switch if it can carry more RCM with less fuss. If you put the Vulture boxes off the cargo grid you can carry about 20-26 boxes in the hold (depending on the skill and courage of the one placing the boxes) plus another 13 in the buffer.
I heard the Fortune might have two buffers (so 2x13). And with 2x6 SCU's on the side that would be 38 SCU's and I'd be mildly happy but not outright convinced. But I don't need to be. Got a Vulture already.
if it has 38 scu i MIGHT get it, but if it doesnt i 100% wont
idk why but if it could hold 12 scu on both sides it would've probably been so much better thn 6 scu on both sides, this just feels like an extra small version of a salvager
Love the Hull A. This looks like a great companion
If the fortune had a double size buffer, to account for the two sides I'd consider it.
But at this point I'm not sure since we lose a whole salvage beam in the process.
The whole argument in favour of the Fortune is that it has the cargo on the outside of the ship.
To be honest, unloading a Vulture is not that hard or time consuming. Point the cargo bay at the Cargo elevator, land, unload, it really doesn't work out any harder than I see the fortune being while also being a much faster to do the job.
I dunno, I'm not seeing it. I'm a big MISC Fanboy and was keen for the Fortune, but it's definitely a wait and see.
I think the Fortune looks a bit goofy because of the containers missing in the middle ... looks a bit strange to me. But I can´t wait for the reviews of the ship ^^
The main things this does are salvage and store salvage. Yet more volume is committed to a corridor to the back of the ship than is committed to either of those tasks.
Very small changes, dedicated to cargo, would have massively increased the utility of the vehicle.
Nice, hopefully those external cargo pads can hold other boxes too! i'd love to be able to store some "salvaged" cargo on the outside as well as the RMC if it's worth more.
honestly they should have made it more of like an upgrade when compared to the vulture, after seeing that they just made it to compete with the vulture rather than making it the games first medium salvage ship like myself and others were hoping for
Easy upgrade for me. Vulture is tedious to use with the lil 1 box at a time thing and a million doors to wait for. Go out, do your thing, come back. If a pirate wants boxes, they're not going to use tractor beams to do it - just guns.
I would've liked to see it in action. Like what happens with the boxes. Does it automatically put them out? I'm interested to see how well this compares to a vulture time wise of the actual salvage process, dealing with cargo, and how much it makes on a single run. I have a feeling this is going to kill the vulture.
Still waiting for a MISC(ed) Opportunity
Ha ha.
Thinking on a downside, not being able to store ad hoc cargo. Also you mentioned some Hull series ship being ace at such. Maybe Fortune cargo grid extends to Hull config?
Now I expect the Prospector will get longer.
Is this the gold status for prospector too? Could Imagine that for component change this is needet
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The SCU value of the ship is listed as 16. I would assume the elevator has the missing 4 scu grid
*Not sure WHY I would swap my Vulture that I can stack to a max 24 SCU for a Fortune that can only max 12 SCU? I was expecting something a bit bigger, perhaps a max stack 32 SCU but what we have here is a DOWNGRADE!!! No thanks..l'll stick with my Vulture.* 😒😒
i see no reason to not pick the Vulture over Fortune so far, lets see if there is some magic that makes it better somehow
I believe the Fortune will be faster with less cargo.
let have a vulture miner now
How about we get a medium salvager that like 3 frickin years overdue
this sounds like salvaging is getting buffed
Kinda looks like drake vulture goes for parts and fortune goes for hull salvage
I don't like that revolving red light in the crew compartment. If it can be shut off then only I'd be interested.
I thought when they fist announced the Fortune it was going to be bigger then the Vulture? Don't get me wrong i get what they are doing with this ship cause it's a test bed for this cargo system that other ships like the Arrastra. But this seams like a lazy way to implement a new ship unless they are doing to update the Prospector with this ships interior.
Vulture looks better and can hold more, seems like a step down for me.
I think this one will be faster with 1 size 2 head.
Waiting for the Polaris medical, mining, salvage, ship vers..
What can it haul vs vulture would be my question because if the trip out is significantly more aeuc than vulture then it may be interesting. I don’t care about component hauling because I never bother anyway I mostly panel salvage for a quick influx of cash. If the fortune is a hundred thousand more a haul then it may be worth it but if it’s the same or less money per trip than the vultures bay is more useful and I’ll stick with that.
thanks
Would be nice if they could complete the misc expanse instead of making another ship.
It'll be in game when the game can support it, we dont want anymore eunuch ships. You have a CCU, so you locked in the price.
I don't think its a good idea for the MISC Fortune to compete with the Drake Vulture. Having only 1 salvage head, exposed cargo and limited cargo interior... someone just didn't do their homework at CIG.
CIG keeps it up with the terrible decisions. Instead of making a unique, well-needed salvage ship in-between the Reclaimer and the Vulture, they just take the Prospector and turn it into a Vulture equivalent salvage vessel.
It doesn't give any "new" vibes and drive people to buy something and it doesn't add any variety or fit a much needed role either. Just another ship we didn't need at all. Meanwhile, the MSR and Herald have been without data running for over half a decade. Cool stuff.
Yeah... no. I think I will just keep my Vulture as this 'Fortune' looks like a step down. Also, way too much wasted space in the interior imo.
This will actually be worse than the vulture because at least in the vulture you can put extra cargo off the cargo grid this one seems you will be forced to have to snap it on the outside. Furthermore the cargo is now exposed outside for everyone to see 😂
it automatically stores it externally no manual effort required, the trade off is not as much storage, i think its a fair compromise, vulture was always really a two person craft to be the most efficient, now one person can salvage while the other tractors off cubes to a larger delivery vessel
@beardedbarnstormer9577 I disagree you can argue that they both are two person ships one way or another. Also you have to put in consideration that even though it's automated you're having to run around on both sides of the ship to dispense your cargo and you're still vulnerable to more attacks because people will see that you have cargo I'm also not a huge fan of misc ships with the failure of wasted space of the starLancer and the Really problematic storage in the center of that ship if only they could get rid of that middle catwalk so you can move Cargo in between each side I would say hooray as far as design of misc ships they seem to be lacking.
@Funkiyy NGL the cat walk came super handy in the Daymar time trials
@beardedbarnstormer9577 there's something else that maybe I'm not seeing with this misc salvaging ship is where is the grinding port in the front from the pictures I've seen so far and these videos it literally looks like the prospector at some point in time they have to get away from incinerating ships and give us the ability to actually cut and slice away parts of the ship to grind it
@Funkiyy good point. Wonder if this is not capable of breaking down that kind of material ?
please give credit to original leaker hater from his whatever discord.
Really pissed CIG took the Prospector, updated its chassis, made a Salvaging variant that barely changes the external bits, and then DIDNT UPDATE THE PROSPECTOR!
Its like the whole MPUV and Ballista thing all over again.
Seems realistic to me. That's exactly what companies do in real life.
where is armor locker and the weapon rack¿????
No thanks.
I'm curious to see how they will price the fortune. if the ever-popular vulture costs 175 dollars and can do almost twice as much, i wouldn't expect more than 150 dollars, despite the nicer interior. 75 would be fair. and maybe they offer it as a starter package for new players, if you start with a small money printing machine life in the verse is easier,
Not a chance. It will be between $155 and $200 at my guess. It will hold the same amount of cargo looking at the grid layout so will do what the vultcher does equally maby even more. The listed scu is 16, if i recall the vulture holds 12 scu
Oh lord...... NOW they're gonna make each manufacture have a salvage ship...?
Looks like they've almost hit their peak when it comes to shops designing.....
Hey, I'm just saying....
salvage is just not worth atm, unless they increase the value of the boxes nobody will dive into it anymore
with 1 laser head, is not the same like the vulture... 100$ worth only
Sounds like you said misfortune. I hope that doesn't become prophetic.
it's already the meme... lol
@@lawofthewestgaming I can imagine. It's just so memeable.
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