After having to move the old antenna for my family every time they changed the channel, I just ended up buying this antenna for my family and I never had to move it again. I was also amazed by how thick the cable is compared to other antennas I’ve used. Definitely worth it.
Based on your review I purchased this antenna for application in one of my daughter's homes that is located approximately 20 miles from local TV stations. I also read comments that said the antenna worked well up to approximately 25 miles so I hoped for the best. The local stations were located in SE direction so when I attached the antenna I held and pointed it in that direction, scanned for channels and detected around 55 (I was surprised there are that many in this area.) It turns out this antenna was not only picking up the "local" stations, but also the stations in another metro area that is 60 miles NE of her location. WOW This is with approximately 35 feet of coaxial cable and no booster. Prenominal cost effective antenna. Thank you AntennaMan and Channel Master.......both winners. 👍
I live about 35 miles from the Boston antenna farm in Needham MA. I use the Flatenna and it works great. I'm 25 -30 miles from the Providence RI stations and they come in 5x5 also from the opposite direction. I do use the amplified version, picture quality looks better than the cable I once had. I did find out the antenna picks up almost nothing if behind the screen, but raising above the screen nailed it. I highly recommend the Flatenna.
This Antenna is amazing. Its amazing how much of a difference a high quality coaxial cable makes. I had an old RCA rabbit ears with that cheap thin cable rga59. Went from 17 channels to 81 channels based on tylers antenna reccomendations. Same location. Same spot where the old rabbit ears were. Im about an estimated 15-18miles away from the towers. Everything is pretty clear. Thx tyler!
Sounds like this antenna was a very good fit for you. You are well within the area where most indoor antennas would work. In my area, Farnsworth Peak is a little over 20 miles away, but still well within the local coverage contour of many of my local TV stations. However, I have begun to have serious issues pulling in a Telemundo affiliate on virtual channel 10, but the fact that they duplicate their programming on KTMW (virtual channel and RF 20) and KEJT-LD (virtual channel 50) more than makes up for it. My guess is that the physical RF channel for virtual channel 10 is probably also 10. There was another that broadcasted on virtual channel and RF channel 12, and these paper-style antennas have their gain optimized for UHF (RF 14-36, 470-608 MHz) far more than VHF (RF 2-13, 54-216 MHz).
I bought this channel master antenna for my North NJ home after you mentioned that they come with RG6 cables as well as that they are detachable.. thanks a lot...
I bought a couple of their Flatenna 50's. I am in Flat Rock, Michigan, and I am receiving every station from Detroit, Windsor, and Toledo! Such a great investment.
Channel Master stands out by using an F-connector and including quality coax rather than a built-in cheap RG59 cable. I may get one to see how well it performs in my building as many of my neighbors (1,000 unit condo community) often ask about antennas and $20 is great deal for this one. I'm sure it can pick up the DC stations, but I'm curious if it will receive the Baltimore ones.
I had a flat antenna in my attic for about a year, before I switched to a UHF-VHF antenna. The flat antenna worked great for the UHF channels but great care was needed to aim it correctly for best signal.
I bought this antenna off Amazon based on your recommendation and it's amazing! I cut the cord with Comcast after they raised TV rates and were actually charging me for "free" local tv! I bought the amplified version of the antenna and the picture quality is crystal clear. Thank you very much for a great analysis!
@@ohger1 - I understand. This antenna is amazing and I'm not paying Comcast any longer for Cable TV. Got a Philo membership and that's only $25 per month for dozens of channels. Kind regards
Tyler, I purchased the Channel Master FLATenna to replace a similar thin antenna that had a tiny cable saddered to it. Got about a 25% increase in signal strength and a few stations I hadn't been receiving before. With the FLATenna, I believe the increase in signal strength is due to the superior lead-in cable supplied with the FLATenna -- the cable on my prior antenna was so thin I would not want to use it even to pass AUDIO signals-- let alone UHF! Thanks for the review and the suggestion!
Picked this up on your recommendation and it’s working very well for me !
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It's nice to see an honestly marketed product in this category. This delivers performance as good as can be expected for this type of antenna and doesn't make claims that it can't fulfill. Well done, Channel Master.
After watching this video, I ordered this directly from Channel Master. Twenty bucks (nine dollars cheaper than Amazon) and free shipping. Took less than a week via USPS. I had a crappy old flimsy antenna that never got all the channels, and I had to constantly move it. This one rocks. It took me three different locations before I found the perfect spot. Got nearly double the number of channels--including all the ones I want (not just the weird ones that I don't care about)! And this is even though I live in exactly the wrong apartment; it faces the opposite direction to the towers, and the previous tenant told me he never had much luck. So thanks, Antenna Man! Best twenty bucks I could have spent!
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I bought this antenna after watching many videos. As you mentioned, this indoor antenna works great! I was worried about long distances between my house and the surrounding tv stations. No sweat! I was worried about the mountains between my house and the surrounding tv stations. No problem!! Thank you for your great videos.
I bought this CM antenna several months ago after reading the reviews elsewhere that it worked very well. I needed a longer piece of RG6, so I ran 25 feet of Quad Shield RG6 over into the room with the window facing the translators. This antenna easily scanned in all local translators including our flea power ch 34 at 650 watts. All are LOS at 11-12 miles, but some a weaker than others. I bought this for a backup in-case the 91XG Yagi failed in the Winter storms. I am pleased with the Channel Master antenna at $25. It works better than any indoor antenna I have tried. For the size, it is amazing. I have a book shelf right next to the window, so all I did to test it was to slip in in-between the pages of a book facing North. That was it, hooked it up and scanned in the channels. By the way, I did not buy the one with the booster as I figured it may degrade the signal. Thank you for reviewing this great antenna and it is at a great price too!
By the way, I recently bought a Tablo as I wanted a good guide. At first I could not get the wifi to work on the Tablo. It just needed to be updated. Anyway, I had to use the Tablo in the computer room so I could use Ethernet in the beginning, and I had to use the CM flat antenna. It got all of our UHF LPTV's & translators. This CM Flat antenna continues to amaze me on how well it work considering the size. For $20 it is a bargain. Thanks for the great review! By the way, we have no VHF stations here, and that even surprises me more that it picks of High VHF.
I use a one element indoor bow tie antenna I made of copper wire. Works great for UHF and fair for VHF-High. Low power UHF station 26 miles away is on the hairy edge of reception. So probably good to 35 miles or so for full power stations. All the other stations here are 16 miles LOS. So this antenna works very well. Even with low power VHF-high channel. Reliably gets every channel from that transmitter farm. Both UHF and VHF-high.
I've had a few older Mohu Leaf antennas' connected with RG6 cables for years. I just purchased this CM antenna and to my surprise it outperformed my Mohu antennas. I installed it in my most problematic location on a wall (no window) facing the local antenna transmitters. It picked up 86 stations, my other antennas' only picked up about 57 stations and could not pick-up a couple of the major broadcast stations in my area. The CM solved the reception problem in this trouble spot. I've decided to buy another CM antenna to improve reception in another area. Mohu was top of the line for flat antennas when I purchased them, but CM has improved upon the design.
Thank you Antennna Man for recommending this antenna. It works great at my address which is 43 miles from the broadcast towers according to the rabbit ears website that you have mentioned before. I am getting over 60 channels. Good job Channel Master and Antenna Man for this video.Thanks again. 4:42
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Thanks. This might be better than the top-rated model comparison-tested by Consumer Reports, the Winegard FlatWave Amped FL5500A that costs ~$60. They tested 19 various types but this Channel Master model wasn’t among them. It’s ironic that for once a Channel Master model antenna cost less than Winegard that can found discounted from the list price. The Consumer Reports testing methodology was flawed in that they did not use the same make and model television at the several home locations the tests were done but their statistical analysis was valid/good and overall they found no correlation for performance and price.
I'm not Consumer Reports, but I can tell you from direct experience through years of experimentation at this, my older Winegard flatwave clearly outperforms anything I've ever tried in my location (and that's well over a couple dozen competitors) and it's the one I'm still using. Ratings and reviews, good or bad, have had me testing everything. But this nonamplified Winegard (I'm too close to the tower for an amplifier) still simply works the best and I always end up staying with what I have, and that's with the thinner (fixed) coaxial cable and splitting the signal to two television sets throughout my home. It's true. I get 120+ channels from a 10 year-old RV store, flatwave window antenna. Many channels are at 1080i and 720p. No reason to upgrade beyond stability. I am thinking of giving this featured antenna a try, but my instinct tells me that I'm better off trying the tuner that Tyler recommended, as it may lock in stability better on windy days. Or may not. Maybe will try both.
YOU HAVE TO PAY $$ TO RETURN IT. This did not find any channels for me. Which is fine. I am rural. The issue I have is that despite what it says, the return shipping is not free. Amazon will deduct the shipping from your return. Go with another company that allows free return as this is not garaunteed to work for you.
Also bought this antenna based on this review, it works great at my parent's house where they used to have to reposition their antenna on certain channels.
That's quite impressive that it was able to pick up both the Scranton stations and the low power translator in NJ. That NJN translator is about 50 miles away from Penobscot Knob.
I find it very interesting that the difference between the flat antennas vary so much. You'd think with how small it is there wouldn't be much difference.
Remember that the conductive elements are hidden inside. Copper costs more than plastic. Electrically good plastic costs more than cheap plastic. The balun that converts the signal impedance to match the coax involves copper wire an a core. On a really cheap antenna they may skip that part and just wire the cable straight to the elements.
I'm using this same exact antenna in my bedroom, and it's perfect. Very good reception and picture quality, but I live in Chicago, and there are tv antenna signal poles everywhere here, so I'm sure that has something to do with it... I'm guessing.
Amplifiers are a noise source. So an amp may cause signals that are weak to be too noisy. Amps are best used for compensating for the loss of long cable runs. For this the amp should be placed as far up cable (closest to antenna as possible). A long cable run that may benefit from an amp is probably about 30+ feet. If not running cable at least 20 feet, I wouldn't even consider an amp. It will probably inject more noise than what the cable loss is.
I purchased the amplified version about 5 years ago, so it may have changed a little since then. I tried it out at two different houses. Both about the same distance from the towers. One house on slightly higher ground and less trees around it. The house with less trees and sitting higher I could get 42 channels five being your basics. The others the sub-channels.. Including VHF channel 9. At the other house I got nothing. Location makes a big difference….
RG-6 is what I recommend for VHF-UHF antenna set ups, I even use them here with my FM dipole antenna using a 300 ohm to 75 adapter using a coax splitter. RG-59 and RG-174 stay away from if you want great reception for your TV set.
Hey Tyler. I attempted to buy this myself and it has improved my reception by 40%. Being in the Wilkes-Barre PA area and the biggest issue for me is to get 38 and 64 from Scranton. Works like a charm. I am also surprised I was able to get 30.1 through 30.4.....but I have no idea what it is or where it's from. Any ideas? Good review and good product. I can back you up on this.
I'm about to purchase a new TV that will have the 3.0 tuner. Interested to hear from people who have the new antenna and how they like it.With the new broadcast standard an indoor antenna should be all you need.
The broadcast standard won't make signals with too low of an SNR work for you. How far is the transmitter and what is in between you and it. That matters a lot.
I have my doubts. FCC tends to lower authorized power whenever they think transmission is going to go farther. They did it with analog to digital and will likely also do it with ATSC 1.0 to ATSC 3.0. They err on the side of caution to protect against interference, which is (believe it or not) their main mission.
I use the amplified version of this antenna for the Monster TV I take to the beach. I think what makes the big difference between this and the antenna that was supplied with the TV is the RG-6 cable and the amplifier.
Did the antenna perform well because it is a better antenna than others or did it perform better because of the thicker cable? I'm sure the thicker cable helped, but how much of a factor was the antenna itself? Did you attempt to hook up a thinner cable to test the difference?
It's hard to say. I did not try hooking up a cheaper cable. Regardless of whether it was the antenna or the cable, it's worth noting that this model actually allows you to connector your own cable which seems to be rare among flat antennas.
The cable affects more than people think. I have an RCA with a cheap thin cable, I have to adjust the cable as part of the antenna it is that bad. That said, not all RCA branded antennas are junk. I have a rather substantial thickness flat antenna with a proper RG6 coax on it also branded RCA.
With a cable this short the RF loss is minimal either way, unless the thin cable was junk or the connector was defective. Cable type is real important in longer runs.
I'm looking at getting a indoor antenna because of storms.. Yes my outdoor antenna is grounded but I still get nervous and disconnect it from my tv's when bad storms approach.. When I was young we had a ungrounded antenna lighting struck a pine-tree near the antenna then at the height of the antenna jumped from the tree to the antenna and burned out everything that was plugged into a wall outlet. Even though I have grounded my antenna now days that still remains in my head.
Don’t have this one, but I have one of the cheapo knockoffs, which is no good at my house, but I hooked it up at my daughter’s apt. She’s on a high enough floor, and the stations are all within 30 miles so it works well enough. And hell, I got it for free. 😊
Honest truth here. In my situation, I live like the sum of 2 counties over from where the stations and the towers are and at one time, I had a flat antenna with a hair thin cable and it could only pick up like one main station and actually 4 stations in all and I did the signal meter on it and it only responded with one light showing up and I did the rabbit ears with the hair thin cable on the signal meter and that only gave me one light on the signal meter. The Channel Master FLATenna with the thick RG6 Cable gave me one light on the signal meter without the Wingard Booster and three lights on the signal meter with the Winegard Booster. Also, when I visited Orlando Florida one time and with the included RG6 Cable and the Winegard Booster I went from getting 4 stations in all to like 50 Stations in all. I like how Channel Master gives you the choice to accessorize this FLATenna with what works for your situation the way that Mohu Leaf Antennas, Amplified Boostwaves Razor Antenna, Clearstream Eclipse Antenna, Mediasonic Homeworx Antenna does and not having a cable cord built into the antenna the way most others do. It is a big game changer for me.
This antenna works great for me, but the slightest shift in position drops channels. I live in a second-floor condo in metro Atlanta and all networks are within 15 miles in the same general direction. I'm not sure how it would perform in other conditions. I'm happy with this inexpensive antenna that gives me a picture as good as cable.
So for these flat antenna, what do you use to "mount" them like it seems like it would be simple but all the double sided adhesion tape they give usually gives out in a week and then falls. Even the heavy duty picture ones still fail and they had horrible reviews because of this. I don't know if piercing it with thumbtacks would "break" the antenna
While there are always exceptions, my opinion is that even the best "flat antenna" is still not a satisfactory solution for most. This is because flat antennas are all designed to be isotropic, so there is no directional gain. Reflected/multi-path signals will be received from behind the antenna and won't be filtered; the multi-path signal will degrade the SNR and pixelate broadcasts. Always best to have a directional/high-gain antenna pointing towards the local TV towers! I've had great luck with RCA's ANT705Z antenna mounted in a vaulted ceiling space in my apartment, about 10 miles from the towers.
I wish Channel Master had used the thicker cable back when I bought mine. Instead CM used that thin cable that AM is always complaining about. Still it works okay.
OK! GOT IT! ...through your Cnnel Master link... Helpful, right? My first antenna with more to buy if this works out... We need one antenna per TV (3 here), right? Thanks... Liked... Subscribed... Shared... Bought it...
Do you think you might be able to make a video testing out some Antenna's from a long range (maybe 50-60+ miles) or test them out in area's where its hard to pick up a signal?
The first thing I saw on that web page, Tyler, was 250 mile range, I've watched enough of your videos to know better, but we apparently have some first-time visitors to your channel who don't know, and others that don't remember data mentioned on another video.
Bought the Channel Master FLATenna for my Vizio TV. However, the thickness of the cable and where the antenna plug-in on my tv is, does not allow me to directly screw in the coax into the tv. I tried manipulating the cable while using an open-end wrench, but that seemed like forcing the cable in. Notice fine metal particles on the set after trying this method. Is there an coax extender that can attach to the tv so I can easily screw in the antenna?
Hi, I have a question, can you test terrestrial TV in Europe? Like something in Poland, for example, some stations are in the old DVBT mpeg 4 standard, but most of the channels are in the new DVBT 2 HEVC standard. There is no analog anymore. Only you need to have an antenna and receiver compatible with DVBT mpeg 4 and DVBT 2 HEVC. check wikipedia. those in the old standard are sa Public or TVP.
Hi Tyler I live in WI but grew up in your area. I remembet channel 16, 22. 28. Do you live in the Wilkes-Barre area? I lived in Hanover Township. Can you give a link for the device to jelp make the antenna better? Thanks, Dirt.
I cut cord recently and don’t regret it for the most part. But in my experience, these hd antennas are hugely unreliable. I bought Mohu plus with amplifier. If you think you can just stick it on the wall and be done with it, guess again. With luck you might get 80% if channels. Then a few days later, it starts to pixelate and you have to adjust it again. If you find the sweet spot, Mohu is reliable. But even then, there are some channels that require separate positions. I live in LA and to get abc7, I have to actually drop the antenna on the floor. To get kcal9 I have to move it about midwall. And I have to find THE PERFECT SPOT to be 95% free of pixelation. The tiniest deviation results in signal loss. Imagine yourself waking around the room with antenna in hand like you were one of those people seeking underground water with wooden stick. It becomes a chore. Thankfully for my parents the Asian language, tbn and Sinclair stations come up reliably. I’m so amused that my old onn Walmart antenna can pick up metv well but to watch abc, owned by behemoth Disney, I have to hope for a miracle. If America was a poorer nation, it’s people would howl with rage at having to deal with this headache to watch free tv. But we just moved onto piecemeal streaming culture.
It is better to call these just "TV antennas". The design of the antenna has nothing to do with the "NDness" of the TV signals they receive. Changing performance when things move in the area is a common issue with indoor antennas. The old fashioned rabbit ears on top of the TV set in some ways were a better design. You could easily make fine adjustments to the position and the length of the elements. On a flat antenna changing location is your only option. A TV or tuner with a signal meter feature is a good thing to have when adjusting.
Ah....you youngsters don't appreciate the old days where indoor antennas were appended with various aluminum foil shapes to improve reception. Or even some young kid (me at times) was appointed to touch one of the elements to improve the analog signal enough to make it out. And this was after walking home 6 miles from school in the snow.
@@mikemandell132 Luxury! You only had 6 miles to go and could slow down to a walk. We had to run 10 miles to school in the morning and back home at night. It also was up hill in both directions. BTW: An aluminum foil bowtie antenna works quite well. As an experiment I made one taped to a cardboard box. It worked slightly better than the best adjustment I could get on the rabbit ears.
@@mikemandell132 In the 90s my family used a bunny ear antenna for one of the tvs in the living room and it worked pretty well. I'm not that young but I wasn't alive in the 60s or 70s and maybe reception was an issue back then.
what interior antenna should i choose for vhf, im attempting to get access to CBS. the tower is 21 miles away from me. It's channel 2 near me, and it's always been difficult to get it to work. please let me know if the flatenna is also the solution for this
The FLATenna is probably one of the best flat antennas to pick up VHF signals. I'd say it's worth a try. If not, the ClearStream 2V might work a bit better if there's a place near the TV you can put it. Just make sure to use some kind of signal meter as a guide. See video below: th-cam.com/video/1_Cy08x5qeY/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for your review. I am moving from the Dallas area to a smaller city that is 39 miles away from the broadcast towers according to the Rabbit Ears link you mentioned. I plan in getting this antenna or the flat Winegard amplified one you reviewed. Which one do you recommend? I have a Terk ota that works well in the Dallas area. Thanks.
39 miles away is a stretch for an indoor antenna. Both antennas work about the same, but you may end up needing an attic or outdoor antenna if neither works. You can find a list of recommended antennas below: www.amazon.com/shop/antennaman/list/2LH365VAPDKLC?ref_=aip_sf_list_spv_ofs_mixed_d
Hi fantastic video again do you know in the UK 🇬🇧 if I am using a antenna or sky Q the British people have to pay 💰 a TV license 🪪 under £160 a year what a joke because of the license fee I don’t watch live TV 📺
The TV license also subsidizes some news gathering efforts by the BBC. This is important in a democracy. The for profit companies will tend to bias news in a way to favor the for profit model. BBC has a different bias.
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I have to tell you that the channel master flatenna is a stronger indoor antenna right in the competition with the Mohu Leaf 50, RCA flat, multi directional antenna, and Clearstream flex
I have certain station channel 8 out of New Orleans that are clear but early morning some go out and the TV states there is no single This happens in the morning between 6:00 AM and 7:30 AM then later in the day it fine and at night, I also have problems with the same stations but only in bad thunder storm which I figured it was the amount of rain and thunder but the morning thing is inconsistent what do you think is going on you did a report for me several years and I don't know what going on PS this happens more on one TV but at times both. I have amp on main cable and main distribution amp
@@kensmith5694 what strange one tv usually is fine it the one on the bedroom and it actually now effecting more channels I think I am have to pull new cable to outlet the guy that built this house and wired it did crazy things he ran 12/3 wire to outlet and switches was it cheaper or he stole it so I am 90% sure it's in a connector or cheap coax
You sort of went from your review of Channel Master into other things so I cannot tell whether you picked or panned it as you were plugging other devices and your channel.
I'm happy to acquire the tuner through your link, but it looks like there's a newer release of the same product. Perhaps you could swap or add to your links to include the latest version. Mediasonic HomeWorx ATSC Digital Converter Box with TV Tuner, TV Recording, USB Multimedia Function (HW-150PVR-Y22)
Christopher, I greatly appreciate this information. I saw the model but thought it was just an older discontinued version. It does indeed appear to be a "new version with 2 year warranty" so I'll be updating affiliate links in all of my videos. If you would like to use my affiliate link to order it's below. amzn.to/3yRziRL
@@AntennaMan Indeed, Amazon itself promotes this as a "newer version," as part of their built-in interface technology which is meant to alert the consumer in advance. I'll go ahead and acquire this through your updated link here and trust that you've elected this brand through comparative analysis. Your channel and the information gained is greatly valued and appreciated.
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After having to move the old antenna for my family every time they changed the channel, I just ended up buying this antenna for my family and I never had to move it again. I was also amazed by how thick the cable is compared to other antennas I’ve used. Definitely worth it.
Based on your review I purchased this antenna for application in one of my daughter's homes that is located approximately 20 miles from local TV stations. I also read comments that said the antenna worked well up to approximately 25 miles so I hoped for the best.
The local stations were located in SE direction so when I attached the antenna I held and pointed it in that direction, scanned for channels and detected around 55 (I was surprised there are that many in this area.) It turns out this antenna was not only picking up the "local" stations, but also the stations in another metro area that is 60 miles NE of her location. WOW
This is with approximately 35 feet of coaxial cable and no booster.
Prenominal cost effective antenna. Thank you AntennaMan and Channel Master.......both winners. 👍
I live about 35 miles from the Boston antenna farm in Needham MA. I use the Flatenna and it works great. I'm 25 -30 miles from the Providence RI stations and they come in 5x5 also from the opposite direction. I do use the amplified version, picture quality looks better than the cable I once had. I did find out the antenna picks up almost nothing if behind the screen, but raising above the screen nailed it. I highly recommend the Flatenna.
It's a good antenna!
This Antenna is amazing. Its amazing how much of a difference a high quality coaxial cable makes. I had an old RCA rabbit ears with that cheap thin cable rga59. Went from 17 channels to 81 channels based on tylers antenna reccomendations. Same location. Same spot where the old rabbit ears were. Im about an estimated 15-18miles away from the towers. Everything is pretty clear. Thx tyler!
Sounds like this antenna was a very good fit for you. You are well within the area where most indoor antennas would work. In my area, Farnsworth Peak is a little over 20 miles away, but still well within the local coverage contour of many of my local TV stations. However, I have begun to have serious issues pulling in a Telemundo affiliate on virtual channel 10, but the fact that they duplicate their programming on KTMW (virtual channel and RF 20) and KEJT-LD (virtual channel 50) more than makes up for it. My guess is that the physical RF channel for virtual channel 10 is probably also 10. There was another that broadcasted on virtual channel and RF channel 12, and these paper-style antennas have their gain optimized for UHF (RF 14-36, 470-608 MHz) far more than VHF (RF 2-13, 54-216 MHz).
I bought this channel master antenna for my North NJ home after you mentioned that they come with RG6 cables as well as that they are detachable.. thanks a lot...
Thank you for noting the removability of the Coax as well as the better quality cable. Thanks!
I bought a couple of their Flatenna 50's. I am in Flat Rock, Michigan, and I am receiving every station from Detroit, Windsor, and Toledo! Such a great investment.
Channel Master stands out by using an F-connector and including quality coax rather than a built-in cheap RG59 cable. I may get one to see how well it performs in my building as many of my neighbors (1,000 unit condo community) often ask about antennas and $20 is great deal for this one. I'm sure it can pick up the DC stations, but I'm curious if it will receive the Baltimore ones.
I had a flat antenna in my attic for about a year, before I switched to a UHF-VHF antenna. The flat antenna worked great for the UHF channels but great care was needed to aim it correctly for best signal.
You should do a video on your antenna setup at your house or take us along with you as you install antennas like a day in the life video.
Great review. I have been using this antenna for about 3 years and it is almost as good as my db8 .
I bought this antenna off Amazon based on your recommendation and it's amazing! I cut the cord with Comcast after they raised TV rates and were actually charging me for "free" local tv! I bought the amplified version of the antenna and the picture quality is crystal clear. Thank you very much for a great analysis!
I hate Comcast as much as the next guy, but your free local stations *charge* Comcast a carrying fee.
@@ohger1 - I understand. This antenna is amazing and I'm not paying Comcast any longer for Cable TV. Got a Philo membership and that's only $25 per month for dozens of channels. Kind regards
Tyler, I purchased the Channel Master FLATenna to replace a similar thin antenna that had a tiny cable saddered to it. Got about a 25% increase in signal strength and a few stations I hadn't been receiving before. With the FLATenna, I believe the increase in signal strength is due to the superior lead-in cable supplied with the FLATenna -- the cable on my prior antenna was so thin I would not want to use it even to pass AUDIO signals-- let alone UHF! Thanks for the review and the suggestion!
Picked this up on your recommendation and it’s working very well for me !
It's nice to see an honestly marketed product in this category. This delivers performance as good as can be expected for this type of antenna and doesn't make claims that it can't fulfill. Well done, Channel Master.
After watching this video, I ordered this directly from Channel Master. Twenty bucks (nine dollars cheaper than Amazon) and free shipping. Took less than a week via USPS. I had a crappy old flimsy antenna that never got all the channels, and I had to constantly move it.
This one rocks. It took me three different locations before I found the perfect spot. Got nearly double the number of channels--including all the ones I want (not just the weird ones that I don't care about)! And this is even though I live in exactly the wrong apartment; it faces the opposite direction to the towers, and the previous tenant told me he never had much luck.
So thanks, Antenna Man! Best twenty bucks I could have spent!
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I bought this antenna after watching many videos. As you mentioned, this indoor antenna works great! I was worried about long distances between my house and the surrounding tv stations. No sweat! I was worried about the mountains between my house and the surrounding tv stations. No problem!!
Thank you for your great videos.
I bought this CM antenna several months ago after reading the reviews elsewhere that it worked very well. I needed a longer piece of RG6, so I ran 25 feet of Quad Shield RG6 over into the room with the window facing the translators. This antenna easily scanned in all local translators including our flea power ch 34 at 650 watts. All are LOS at 11-12 miles, but some a weaker than others. I bought this for a backup in-case the 91XG Yagi failed in the Winter storms. I am pleased with the Channel Master antenna at $25. It works better than any indoor antenna I have tried. For the size, it is amazing. I have a book shelf right next to the window, so all I did to test it was to slip in in-between the pages of a book facing North. That was it, hooked it up and scanned in the channels. By the way, I did not buy the one with the booster as I figured it may degrade the signal.
Thank you for reviewing this great antenna and it is at a great price too!
By the way, I recently bought a Tablo as I wanted a good guide. At first I could not get the wifi to work on the Tablo. It just needed to be updated. Anyway, I had to use the Tablo in the computer room so I could use Ethernet in the beginning, and I had to use the CM flat antenna. It got all of our UHF LPTV's & translators. This CM Flat antenna continues to amaze me on how well it work considering the size. For $20 it is a bargain. Thanks for the great review! By the way, we have no VHF stations here, and that even surprises me more that it picks of High VHF.
I use a one element indoor bow tie antenna I made of copper wire. Works great for UHF and fair for VHF-High. Low power UHF station 26 miles away is on the hairy edge of reception. So probably good to 35 miles or so for full power stations.
All the other stations here are 16 miles LOS. So this antenna works very well. Even with low power VHF-high channel. Reliably gets every channel from that transmitter farm. Both UHF and VHF-high.
Thanks!
Thanks Alan!
I've had a few older Mohu Leaf antennas' connected with RG6 cables for years. I just purchased this CM antenna and to my surprise it outperformed my Mohu antennas. I installed it in my most problematic location on a wall (no window) facing the local antenna transmitters. It picked up 86 stations, my other antennas' only picked up about 57 stations and could not pick-up a couple of the major broadcast stations in my area. The CM solved the reception problem in this trouble spot. I've decided to buy another CM antenna to improve reception in another area. Mohu was top of the line for flat antennas when I purchased them, but CM has improved upon the design.
I'm still sold on the RCA indoor antennas. I get good reception from them and they don't cost a lot of money.
Looks like even for indoor antennas, Channel Master proves to be the MASTER.
Thank you Antennna Man for recommending this antenna. It works great at my address which is 43 miles from the broadcast towers according to the rabbit ears website that you have mentioned before. I am getting over 60 channels. Good job Channel Master and Antenna Man for this video.Thanks again. 4:42
I'm glad my videos helped you get better reception. Feel free to give a contribution at the link below as I spend A LOT of time making the videos and responding to these comments:
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Thanks. This might be better than the top-rated model comparison-tested by Consumer Reports, the Winegard FlatWave Amped FL5500A that costs ~$60. They tested 19 various types but this Channel Master model wasn’t among them. It’s ironic that for once a Channel Master model antenna cost less than Winegard that can found discounted from the list price. The Consumer Reports testing methodology was flawed in that they did not use the same make and model television at the several home locations the tests were done but their statistical analysis was valid/good and overall they found no correlation for performance and price.
I'm not Consumer Reports, but I can tell you from direct experience through years of experimentation at this, my older Winegard flatwave clearly outperforms anything I've ever tried in my location (and that's well over a couple dozen competitors) and it's the one I'm still using.
Ratings and reviews, good or bad, have had me testing everything. But this nonamplified Winegard (I'm too close to the tower for an amplifier) still simply works the best and I always end up staying with what I have, and that's with the thinner (fixed) coaxial cable and splitting the signal to two television sets throughout my home. It's true.
I get 120+ channels from a 10 year-old RV store, flatwave window antenna. Many channels are at 1080i and 720p. No reason to upgrade beyond stability.
I am thinking of giving this featured antenna a try, but my instinct tells me that I'm better off trying the tuner that Tyler recommended, as it may lock in stability better on windy days. Or may not.
Maybe will try both.
YOU HAVE TO PAY $$ TO RETURN IT. This did not find any channels for me. Which is fine. I am rural. The issue I have is that despite what it says, the return shipping is not free. Amazon will deduct the shipping from your return. Go with another company that allows free return as this is not garaunteed to work for you.
Always a favorite youtube presenter
Thanks!
Also bought this antenna based on this review, it works great at my parent's house where they used to have to reposition their antenna on certain channels.
That's quite impressive that it was able to pick up both the Scranton stations and the low power translator in NJ. That NJN translator is about 50 miles away from Penobscot Knob.
NJN ❤️
As always, an excellent review with supporting facts…good job
I find it very interesting that the difference between the flat antennas vary so much. You'd think with how small it is there wouldn't be much difference.
Remember that the conductive elements are hidden inside.
Copper costs more than plastic.
Electrically good plastic costs more than cheap plastic.
The balun that converts the signal impedance to match the coax involves copper wire an a core. On a really cheap antenna they may skip that part and just wire the cable straight to the elements.
I'm using this same exact antenna in my bedroom, and it's perfect. Very good reception and picture quality, but I live in Chicago, and there are tv antenna signal poles everywhere here, so I'm sure that has something to do with it... I'm guessing.
Amplifiers are a noise source. So an amp may cause signals that are weak to be too noisy.
Amps are best used for compensating for the loss of long cable runs. For this the amp should be placed as far up cable (closest to antenna as possible). A long cable run that may benefit from an amp is probably about 30+ feet. If not running cable at least 20 feet, I wouldn't even consider an amp. It will probably inject more noise than what the cable loss is.
Bought 3 they work well
I purchased the amplified version about 5 years ago, so it may have changed a little since then. I tried it out at two different houses. Both about the same distance from the towers. One house on slightly higher ground and less trees around it. The house with less trees and sitting higher I could get 42 channels five being your basics. The others the sub-channels.. Including VHF channel 9. At the other house I got nothing. Location makes a big difference….
Another great review Tyler , Channel Master knows what works , plain and simple 👍👍
My grandparents always had their outdoor towers.
this guy is the attenna king gained a subscriber
The F-connector makes a lot more sense than soldering-in a cheap lead wire.
RG-6 is what I recommend for VHF-UHF antenna set ups, I even use them here with my FM dipole antenna using a 300 ohm to 75 adapter using a coax splitter. RG-59 and RG-174 stay away from if you want great reception for your TV set.
The good old cheap “rabbit ears” antenna works for me. The OTA adapter on my Wally receiver picked up more channels than the TV tuner.
Hey Tyler. I attempted to buy this myself and it has improved my reception by 40%. Being in the Wilkes-Barre PA area and the biggest issue for me is to get 38 and 64 from Scranton. Works like a charm. I am also surprised I was able to get 30.1 through 30.4.....but I have no idea what it is or where it's from. Any ideas? Good review and good product. I can back you up on this.
I'm about to purchase a new TV that will have the 3.0 tuner. Interested to hear from people who have the new antenna and how they like it.With the new broadcast standard an indoor antenna should be all you need.
The broadcast standard won't make signals with too low of an SNR work for you. How far is the transmitter and what is in between you and it. That matters a lot.
@@kensmith5694 REALLY!? Hmmm I don't know all that. I'll have to see when I get my new TV but the idiots broke the screen so now I have to wait.🤬
I have my doubts. FCC tends to lower authorized power whenever they think transmission is going to go farther. They did it with analog to digital and will likely also do it with ATSC 1.0 to ATSC 3.0. They err on the side of caution to protect against interference, which is (believe it or not) their main mission.
id love to see an indoor antenna round up where you go over all the test results of the antennas
I use the amplified version of this antenna for the Monster TV I take to the beach. I think what makes the big difference between this and the antenna that was supplied with the TV is the RG-6 cable and the amplifier.
I wonder if this would work well in an apt? I'm in the market to purchase a better antenna for my dad.
Antenna Man, you're my best friend
Did the antenna perform well because it is a better antenna than others or did it perform better because of the thicker cable? I'm sure the thicker cable helped, but how much of a factor was the antenna itself? Did you attempt to hook up a thinner cable to test the difference?
It's hard to say. I did not try hooking up a cheaper cable. Regardless of whether it was the antenna or the cable, it's worth noting that this model actually allows you to connector your own cable which seems to be rare among flat antennas.
The cable affects more than people think. I have an RCA with a cheap thin cable, I have to adjust the cable as part of the antenna it is that bad. That said, not all RCA branded antennas are junk. I have a rather substantial thickness flat antenna with a proper RG6 coax on it also branded RCA.
With a cable this short the RF loss is minimal either way, unless the thin cable was junk or the connector was defective. Cable type is real important in longer runs.
I'm looking at getting a indoor antenna because of storms.. Yes my outdoor antenna is grounded but I still get nervous and disconnect it from my tv's when bad storms approach.. When I was young we had a ungrounded antenna lighting struck a pine-tree near the antenna then at the height of the antenna jumped from the tree to the antenna and burned out everything that was plugged into a wall outlet. Even though I have grounded my antenna now days that still remains in my head.
Don’t have this one, but I have one of the cheapo knockoffs, which is no good at my house, but I hooked it up at my daughter’s apt. She’s on a high enough floor, and the stations are all within 30 miles so it works well enough. And hell, I got it for free. 😊
Honest truth here.
In my situation, I live like the sum of 2 counties over from where the stations and the towers are and at one time, I had a flat antenna with a hair thin cable and it could only pick up like one main station and actually 4 stations in all and I did the signal meter on it and it only responded with one light showing up and I did the rabbit ears with the hair thin cable on the signal meter and that only gave me one light on the signal meter.
The Channel Master FLATenna with the thick RG6 Cable gave me one light on the signal meter without the Wingard Booster and three lights on the signal meter with the Winegard Booster.
Also, when I visited Orlando Florida one time and with the included RG6 Cable and the Winegard Booster I went from getting 4 stations in all to like 50 Stations in all.
I like how Channel Master gives you the choice to accessorize this FLATenna with what works for your situation the way that Mohu Leaf Antennas, Amplified Boostwaves Razor Antenna, Clearstream Eclipse Antenna, Mediasonic Homeworx Antenna does and not having a cable cord built into the antenna the way most others do.
It is a big game changer for me.
This antenna works great for me, but the slightest shift in position drops channels. I live in a second-floor condo in metro Atlanta and all networks are within 15 miles in the same general direction. I'm not sure how it would perform in other conditions. I'm happy with this inexpensive antenna that gives me a picture as good as cable.
Interesting it came with RG6 cable. I bought the channel master amplifier and it came with the tiny cable.
Let’s see a Zapperbox review Antenna Man !!!
Can you even buy it and get it to be shipped? 🤣😂
So for these flat antenna, what do you use to "mount" them like it seems like it would be simple but all the double sided adhesion tape they give usually gives out in a week and then falls. Even the heavy duty picture ones still fail and they had horrible reviews because of this. I don't know if piercing it with thumbtacks would "break" the antenna
While there are always exceptions, my opinion is that even the best "flat antenna" is still not a satisfactory solution for most. This is because flat antennas are all designed to be isotropic, so there is no directional gain. Reflected/multi-path signals will be received from behind the antenna and won't be filtered; the multi-path signal will degrade the SNR and pixelate broadcasts.
Always best to have a directional/high-gain antenna pointing towards the local TV towers! I've had great luck with RCA's ANT705Z antenna mounted in a vaulted ceiling space in my apartment, about 10 miles from the towers.
The FLATenna 35 performed very similar to the Winegard Amplified Flatwave although it's smaller.
Thanks for sharing, Tyler.
I wish Channel Master had used the thicker cable back when I bought mine. Instead CM used that thin cable that AM is always complaining about. Still it works okay.
It seems like a good one to stick on a window which would make it work more like an outdoor antenna.
Yes, if you have a window facing towards the transmitters.
Big fan of your videos,watch them quite a bit! I am a cord cutter,was wondering,if channel master is any good for,cresson pa?
Bro u teach me a lot today l was about to buy a piece of junk u literally safe me
OK! GOT IT! ...through your Cnnel Master link... Helpful, right?
My first antenna with more to buy if this works out... We need one antenna per TV (3 here), right?
Thanks...
Liked... Subscribed... Shared... Bought it...
Just discovered your channel! Great content! You’ve got a new sub!
Do you think you might be able to make a video testing out some Antenna's from a long range (maybe 50-60+ miles) or test them out in area's where its hard to pick up a signal?
He does that with the outdoors antennas. There are some stations further from him.
I actually have a ton of outdoor antenna reviews. You can find the playlist below: th-cam.com/play/PLa4W1QMIBkFHdxAhcntyCBjkZlOLCxn74.html
The first thing I saw on that web page, Tyler, was 250 mile range, I've watched enough of your videos to know better, but we apparently have some first-time visitors to your channel who don't know, and others that don't remember data mentioned on another video.
Bought the Channel Master FLATenna for my Vizio TV. However, the thickness of the cable and where the antenna plug-in on my tv is, does not allow me to directly screw in the coax into the tv. I tried manipulating the cable while using an open-end wrench, but that seemed like forcing the cable in. Notice fine metal particles on the set after trying this method. Is there an coax extender that can attach to the tv so I can easily screw in the antenna?
The superior coax cable is probably the main reason this flatenna works so well
NICE REVIEW Tyler
Hummmm
Flat antenna, wondering are there any cone shaped antennas that will “funnel” the signal into a BNC coaxial cable?
Thank you for posting this helpful video
Thank You, this fits the situation !
Hi, I have a question, can you test terrestrial TV in Europe? Like something in Poland, for example, some stations are in the old DVBT mpeg 4 standard, but most of the channels are in the new DVBT 2 HEVC standard. There is no analog anymore. Only you need to have an antenna and receiver compatible with DVBT mpeg 4 and DVBT 2 HEVC. check wikipedia. those in the old standard are sa Public or TVP.
I don't he can test it without actually going there... because that's the point, you have to be there. :)
My winegard is doing good so far hope I will.get more channels later
I'm interested in getting one for my RV, do you have to AUTO-TUNE to get it working on the TV? or just hook it up and start change channels? ANYONE!
Terrain shielding will also affect signal strength.
Thanks for the review
Hi Tyler
I live in WI but grew up in your area. I remembet channel 16, 22. 28. Do you live in the Wilkes-Barre area? I lived in Hanover Township.
Can you give a link for the device to jelp make the antenna better?
Thanks,
Dirt.
Love your videos! Did you see they took Comet TV off over-the-air channel?
They moved channels in some markets, but are still active. There is a live feed on the Web site.
is this Channel Master FLATenna 35 Antenna better than the Winegard FlatWave Amped FL5500A Antenna ???
Question: could a small directional pick up fair signals, even one indoors?
Yes, even sometimes an indoor antenna will pick up fair signals. It all depends on a ton of factors that are hard to predict.
How good would this antenna work in NYC? Thanks!!
I cut cord recently and don’t regret it for the most part. But in my experience, these hd antennas are hugely unreliable.
I bought Mohu plus with amplifier. If you think you can just stick it on the wall and be done with it, guess again. With luck you might get 80% if channels. Then a few days later, it starts to pixelate and you have to adjust it again.
If you find the sweet spot, Mohu is reliable. But even then, there are some channels that require separate positions. I live in LA and to get abc7, I have to actually drop the antenna on the floor. To get kcal9 I have to move it about midwall. And I have to find THE PERFECT SPOT to be 95% free of pixelation. The tiniest deviation results in signal loss. Imagine yourself waking around the room with antenna in hand like you were one of those people seeking underground water with wooden stick. It becomes a chore.
Thankfully for my parents the Asian language, tbn and Sinclair stations come up reliably. I’m so amused that my old onn Walmart antenna can pick up metv well but to watch abc, owned by behemoth Disney, I have to hope for a miracle. If America was a poorer nation, it’s people would howl with rage at having to deal with this headache to watch free tv. But we just moved onto piecemeal streaming culture.
It is better to call these just "TV antennas". The design of the antenna has nothing to do with the "NDness" of the TV signals they receive.
Changing performance when things move in the area is a common issue with indoor antennas. The old fashioned rabbit ears on top of the TV set in some ways were a better design. You could easily make fine adjustments to the position and the length of the elements. On a flat antenna changing location is your only option.
A TV or tuner with a signal meter feature is a good thing to have when adjusting.
Ah....you youngsters don't appreciate the old days where indoor antennas were appended with various aluminum foil shapes to improve reception. Or even some young kid (me at times) was appointed to touch one of the elements to improve the analog signal enough to make it out. And this was after walking home 6 miles from school in the snow.
@@mikemandell132 Luxury! You only had 6 miles to go and could slow down to a walk. We had to run 10 miles to school in the morning and back home at night. It also was up hill in both directions.
BTW: An aluminum foil bowtie antenna works quite well. As an experiment I made one taped to a cardboard box. It worked slightly better than the best adjustment I could get on the rabbit ears.
@@mikemandell132 In the 90s my family used a bunny ear antenna for one of the tvs in the living room and it worked pretty well. I'm not that young but I wasn't alive in the 60s or 70s and maybe reception was an issue back then.
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what interior antenna should i choose for vhf, im attempting to get access to CBS. the tower is 21 miles away from me. It's channel 2 near me, and it's always been difficult to get it to work. please let me know if the flatenna is also the solution for this
The FLATenna is probably one of the best flat antennas to pick up VHF signals. I'd say it's worth a try. If not, the ClearStream 2V might work a bit better if there's a place near the TV you can put it. Just make sure to use some kind of signal meter as a guide. See video below: th-cam.com/video/1_Cy08x5qeY/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for your review. I am moving from the Dallas area to a smaller city that is 39 miles away from the broadcast towers according to the Rabbit Ears link you mentioned. I plan in getting this antenna or the flat Winegard amplified one you reviewed.
Which one do you recommend? I have a Terk ota that works well in the Dallas area. Thanks.
39 miles away is a stretch for an indoor antenna. Both antennas work about the same, but you may end up needing an attic or outdoor antenna if neither works. You can find a list of recommended antennas below: www.amazon.com/shop/antennaman/list/2LH365VAPDKLC?ref_=aip_sf_list_spv_ofs_mixed_d
@@AntennaManThanks so much for your input. I appreciate it.
Great review of C M FLAT
Thanks for your time
how does this compare to the Mohu? its half the price.
Hi fantastic video again do you know in the UK 🇬🇧 if I am using a antenna or sky Q the British people have to pay 💰 a TV license 🪪 under £160 a year what a joke because of the license fee I don’t watch live TV 📺
The TV license also subsidizes some news gathering efforts by the BBC. This is important in a democracy. The for profit companies will tend to bias news in a way to favor the for profit model. BBC has a different bias.
@@kensmith5694 I don’t need a TV license For Netflix Amazon Prime Disney + Paramount + or ITV Hub All 4 My 5 so people like me are saving £160 a year not to give to the corrupt BBC they accommodate for snowflakes crybabies lefty’s transgender bull merda bbc go walk and they will go broke
I have to tell you that the channel master flatenna is a stronger indoor antenna right in the competition with the Mohu Leaf 50, RCA flat, multi directional antenna, and Clearstream flex
I have certain station channel 8 out of New Orleans that are clear but early morning some go out and the TV states there is no single This happens in the morning between 6:00 AM and 7:30 AM then later in the day it fine and at night, I also have problems with the same stations but only in bad thunder storm which I figured it was the amount of rain and thunder but the morning thing is inconsistent what do you think is going on you did a report for me several years and I don't know what going on PS this happens more on one TV but at times both. I have amp on main cable and main distribution amp
With an indoor antenna, the house being wet with dew or rain can make the signal lower.
@@kensmith5694 it and outdoor antenna with a rotor I think I may have a loose connector or the weather
@@bobschallalcs584 Water getting into the connectors is one possible cause. Also the insulation on the antenna may be getting wet.
@@kensmith5694 what strange one tv usually is fine it the one on the bedroom and it actually now effecting more channels I think I am have to pull new cable to outlet the guy that built this house and wired it did crazy things he ran 12/3 wire to outlet and switches was it cheaper or he stole it so I am 90% sure it's in a connector or cheap coax
@@bobschallalcs584 ... or you have an inline joint in a coax that somehow gets wet. an inline joint in a coax that somehow gets wet.
I would try this cool looking antenna
Does this antenna work with a fire TV? How would I install it?
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You sort of went from your review of Channel Master into other things so I cannot tell whether you picked or panned it as you were plugging other devices and your channel.
Want to know what you think is the best indoor antenna
My DBM signal is all -80 should I get a antenna or not?
I'm happy to acquire the tuner through your link, but it looks like there's a newer release of the same product.
Perhaps you could swap or add to your links to include the latest version.
Mediasonic HomeWorx ATSC Digital Converter Box with TV Tuner, TV Recording, USB Multimedia Function (HW-150PVR-Y22)
@Christopher Jones
The one you list at the bottom of your post: is this the newer, updated model?
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Yes. Amazon informs that there's a newer release of the same device. It's the one I listed.
Christopher, I greatly appreciate this information. I saw the model but thought it was just an older discontinued version. It does indeed appear to be a "new version with 2 year warranty" so I'll be updating affiliate links in all of my videos. If you would like to use my affiliate link to order it's below. amzn.to/3yRziRL
@@AntennaMan
Indeed, Amazon itself promotes this as a "newer version," as part of their built-in interface technology which is meant to alert the consumer in advance.
I'll go ahead and acquire this through your updated link here and trust that you've elected this brand through comparative analysis.
Your channel and the information gained is greatly valued and appreciated.
Let me know how it works.
I like the two I own. One has the amp and the other doesn’t. I get one more station with the amp.