Awesome seeing a video like this on Juno, I love stuff like this. One thing I want to note, however: As stated by Pedro, the dev responsible for making the system, Juno is a blue dwarf, a theoretical stage of red dwarf that could start appearing trillions of years from now. While still not fully realistic (among other things it is much bluer in game than a real blue dwarf is likely to be), this fact lends plausibility to the colour, size, mass, and temperature of Juno in a way that making it a tiny blue star wouldn't.
Interesting, I have never heard of this theoretical phenomenon. I'll have to read up on it! Thank you! The fact that it is trillions of years would have some other interesting implications for the system though. Like everything in the system tidally locking among other things. Certainly worth a future video!
@@curious_ksp_ the fact that the sky isn't very dark suggests Juno might not be trillions of years old, I believe. Otherwise the bright, visible stars would have died long ago. I think it probably was artificially created this way, somehow.
Fascinating, I ran the information for the real world solar system through that equation at 4:15 and found that if you ignore things like the greenhouse effect, Venus should actually be slightly cooler than Earth due to its higher albedo.
And at those altitudes, where the clouds ride, Venus' atmosphere is indeed near temperate. The greenhouse bumps it up a bit. I didn't make up the statement but: "Venus' problem is that its surface is 50 km too deep"
4:28 The typical atmospheric pressure of Droo is a bit smaller than that of Earth: 99,8kPa of its ISA model (ISA - International Standard Atmosphere). It's only slightly smaller than Earth's, however, it drops with attitude much faster, just like the light trabsmittance. We can imagine its atmosphere is also primarly made of mainly nitrogen, judging by its colour. However, I think I have a theory for why Droo could sustain life, in conditions similar to the Amazon Rainforest: Droo has a rotation span of 14h. Neptune, which has similar gravitational pull to that of Earth, has similar rotation span - and the fastest winds ever recorded in the Solar System. Judging by the existance of clouds and liquid oceans, I believe Droo has a water cycle. As the warm, dry air comes into contact with a liquid (especially liquid water), it instantly catches evaporting water, becoming more humid until it reaches its equillibrium. Air particles right next to water have a humidity of 100%, and it drops the further it is from the water. The most important part of it, however, is the fact as it gets more humid, its temperature drops as well - and the warmer the dry air is, the more water it can hold. When cold, humid air mixes with dry, warm air, they together form a mixture, whose temperature and humidity is between these two. We can make the air mix faster with eachother if we make the dry air move very fast - and, also, as the air moves, its static pressure drops (and with it, its temperature as well), which could also explain why its basic pressure is slightly lower than the one of Earth. I hope what I typed isn’t too complicated, but essentially, by messing around with humidity and static pressure of the air we can make it colder (which is a real thing used by air conditioners). Yet another thing is, because its average surface temperarure is so high, we can also imagine very extreme climate, and thus much higher difference between temperatures in certain regions of the planet. So, if we imagine Droo has extremely high winds (which would make sense judging by its rotation span) and somewhat similar (yet denser) atmosphere and water cycle to the one of Earth, there is a theoretical possibility for Droo to have a temperature below its star's thermal equillibrium - but I haven't done any math in this regard. If anyone wants to do so, I recommend searching out Molier's humid air equillibrium plot (and Clapeyron's and Bernoulli's gas equations).
Wow, thank you for the insight! Another thing is that one also has to compensate for the fact that atmospheres retain heat, but I would love to see people discussing the possibilities!
While we can assume that it's a B-Type subdwarf, this does come with a few problems. For one: B-type subdwarf's are known to be super hot, while Juno in... uh?.. Juno: New Origins is shown to be less than the average temperature of a B-type subdwarf. Along with that, using the radius and gravity of Juno, we can see that its mass is over about 0.000941607 solar masses. Which in terms of B-Type subdwarf's, thats incredibly low... The closest we would get to what star Juno is would be a Blue Dwarf, a hypothetical stage for when Red Dwarf stars begin increasing their radiative rate and temperature, which causes them to turn blue. But even that is somewhat a stretch, as Juno's mass is way lower than what a blue dwarf would be.
I have no idea what the Juno star system is or where does it come from, but I hope to see more content about it, there are certainly a lot of secrets to uncover
Droo's atmosphere gives its surface a very muted feel in comparison to Earth or Kerbin, so perhaps it has a much higher albedo than its appearance from orbit indicates. The colour and quality of light at the surface gives me the impression there's a lot of sulfur in the upper atmosphere. I can't clearly remember sulfur's effect on albedo, whether it makes a big difference or not. Cylero seems paler than real-life Mars, but I haven't been there so can't comment on its atmospheric qualities. Anyway! :) theorizing is fun, but mistakes are perhaps more understandable in JNO than KSP. Some parts of JNO are certainly better-coded than KSP, like the vehicle physics and maneuver node maker, but they have a much smaller team -- just 7 people -- and can't give it all that much attention when their 3 other games are much more profitable.
I think I played simple rockets 1 and got confused on it (this was a few years ago) and then didn’t touch it again. However I found Simple rockets 2 just as it’s name was changed, far better than its predecessor
i had a great idea for a futur video : is it possible to calculate where is kebin's point nemo ? it would be fun to deorbit sattelites there, and it would add a nice touch of realism
When kitten space agency gets costom solar system (Or I guess if it does, but they did say they wanted it to have a costom system) Are you gonna do anything with that? Or are you gonna stick with KSP through and through?
Wow, is this the real Pedro? Thank you for watching the video! I would love some more info if you are willing to provide those. You can find my e-mail in mio YT bio
Juno being a Blue Dwarf has interesting lore implications that i'd love to see somebody dive into.
oh hi Cardz
its prob a less dense neutron star
i thought they were all nearly the same density since theyre all sitting at the neutron degeneracy barrier?
@@safepancake7551 Isn't that neutron stars? I think 'blue' stars are different.
@@FlightlessAviator I forgot to click reply to floppashorts
Awesome seeing a video like this on Juno, I love stuff like this. One thing I want to note, however:
As stated by Pedro, the dev responsible for making the system, Juno is a blue dwarf, a theoretical stage of red dwarf that could start appearing trillions of years from now. While still not fully realistic (among other things it is much bluer in game than a real blue dwarf is likely to be), this fact lends plausibility to the colour, size, mass, and temperature of Juno in a way that making it a tiny blue star wouldn't.
Interesting, I have never heard of this theoretical phenomenon. I'll have to read up on it! Thank you!
The fact that it is trillions of years would have some other interesting implications for the system though. Like everything in the system tidally locking among other things. Certainly worth a future video!
@@curious_ksp_ the fact that the sky isn't very dark suggests Juno might not be trillions of years old, I believe. Otherwise the bright, visible stars would have died long ago. I think it probably was artificially created this way, somehow.
@@AstroCharaAn aliens Science Project for school
Fascinating, I ran the information for the real world solar system through that equation at 4:15 and found that if you ignore things like the greenhouse effect, Venus should actually be slightly cooler than Earth due to its higher albedo.
And at those altitudes, where the clouds ride, Venus' atmosphere is indeed near temperate. The greenhouse bumps it up a bit.
I didn't make up the statement but: "Venus' problem is that its surface is 50 km too deep"
Found your channel today and i love it. How do you know so much about space math??
I study physics and astrophysics, sooo :)
Do more JUNO videos buddy :)
Seeing your profile pic I can see that you would like that!
Dam, what mod pack did you use to make laythe a joul so good
Hi, if you still want the names of mods I can help you
@@MrMilionare Sure I guess
Likely Blackrack's Volumetriks mod (EVE), Scatterer, probably TUFX and others
4:28
The typical atmospheric pressure of Droo is a bit smaller than that of Earth: 99,8kPa of its ISA model (ISA - International Standard Atmosphere). It's only slightly smaller than Earth's, however, it drops with attitude much faster, just like the light trabsmittance. We can imagine its atmosphere is also primarly made of mainly nitrogen, judging by its colour. However, I think I have a theory for why Droo could sustain life, in conditions similar to the Amazon Rainforest:
Droo has a rotation span of 14h. Neptune, which has similar gravitational pull to that of Earth, has similar rotation span - and the fastest winds ever recorded in the Solar System. Judging by the existance of clouds and liquid oceans, I believe Droo has a water cycle.
As the warm, dry air comes into contact with a liquid (especially liquid water), it instantly catches evaporting water, becoming more humid until it reaches its equillibrium. Air particles right next to water have a humidity of 100%, and it drops the further it is from the water. The most important part of it, however, is the fact as it gets more humid, its temperature drops as well - and the warmer the dry air is, the more water it can hold. When cold, humid air mixes with dry, warm air, they together form a mixture, whose temperature and humidity is between these two. We can make the air mix faster with eachother if we make the dry air move very fast - and, also, as the air moves, its static pressure drops (and with it, its temperature as well), which could also explain why its basic pressure is slightly lower than the one of Earth. I hope what I typed isn’t too complicated, but essentially, by messing around with humidity and static pressure of the air we can make it colder (which is a real thing used by air conditioners). Yet another thing is, because its average surface temperarure is so high, we can also imagine very extreme climate, and thus much higher difference between temperatures in certain regions of the planet.
So, if we imagine Droo has extremely high winds (which would make sense judging by its rotation span) and somewhat similar (yet denser) atmosphere and water cycle to the one of Earth, there is a theoretical possibility for Droo to have a temperature below its star's thermal equillibrium - but I haven't done any math in this regard. If anyone wants to do so, I recommend searching out Molier's humid air equillibrium plot (and Clapeyron's and Bernoulli's gas equations).
Wow, thank you for the insight! Another thing is that one also has to compensate for the fact that atmospheres retain heat, but I would love to see people discussing the possibilities!
i think juno might be a blue subdwarf
While we can assume that it's a B-Type subdwarf, this does come with a few problems.
For one: B-type subdwarf's are known to be super hot, while Juno in... uh?.. Juno: New Origins is shown to be less than the average temperature of a B-type subdwarf.
Along with that, using the radius and gravity of Juno, we can see that its mass is over about 0.000941607 solar masses. Which in terms of B-Type subdwarf's, thats incredibly low...
The closest we would get to what star Juno is would be a Blue Dwarf, a hypothetical stage for when Red Dwarf stars begin increasing their radiative rate and temperature, which causes them to turn blue. But even that is somewhat a stretch, as Juno's mass is way lower than what a blue dwarf would be.
Very lovely to see you branch out to more space games like this, wonderful video
I have no idea what the Juno star system is or where does it come from, but I hope to see more content about it, there are certainly a lot of secrets to uncover
The Juno System is the main setting for the 3d aerospace sandbox game, Juno: New Origins (Or as it used to be named... SimpleRockets 2).
Very good video, its nice to see something other then Kerbal. Great work as always
i would love to see you go over this system more, it gets really weird after looking into stuff more.
got this game for my birthday like 3 weeks ago and BAM!! You make a video on it AS IM PLAYING THE GAME!!! WoOoAaAaAah
it would be nice if you covered two KSP Planet packs, the Outer Planets Pack, and the Kcalbeloh Planet Pack
Spoilers! The next video is gonna be OPM
Great video, haven't played the game, but I sure will
Interesting video, nice channel dude, you went into a lot of detail here ❤
Your calculations say the planet in Juno would be 50c. That's just normal summer temparatures for me.
That's the average, the hottest days could get to the 80 or even 100
It also doesn't take into account greenhouse effects that a realistic Earth-like planet would have.
On average, that planet should be an Arrakis like desert...
Droo's atmosphere gives its surface a very muted feel in comparison to Earth or Kerbin, so perhaps it has a much higher albedo than its appearance from orbit indicates. The colour and quality of light at the surface gives me the impression there's a lot of sulfur in the upper atmosphere. I can't clearly remember sulfur's effect on albedo, whether it makes a big difference or not.
Cylero seems paler than real-life Mars, but I haven't been there so can't comment on its atmospheric qualities.
Anyway! :) theorizing is fun, but mistakes are perhaps more understandable in JNO than KSP. Some parts of JNO are certainly better-coded than KSP, like the vehicle physics and maneuver node maker, but they have a much smaller team -- just 7 people -- and can't give it all that much attention when their 3 other games are much more profitable.
1:55 wait it says 5 hours, 59 minutes and 60 seconds, so does that mean its just 6 hours?
I think I played simple rockets 1 and got confused on it (this was a few years ago) and then didn’t touch it again. However I found Simple rockets 2 just as it’s name was changed, far better than its predecessor
Its nice to see people making more JNO videos 😁
well, this is an unexpected but welcome topic :D
i had a great idea for a futur video : is it possible to calculate where is kebin's point nemo ? it would be fun to deorbit sattelites there, and it would add a nice touch of realism
That is a really cool idea!
omg I downloaded this game on my phone a ew days ago to have like a mini ksp on my phone and you make a video about it
I didn’t expect someone would make a good video about this underrated game, love from Ukraine
Talk about Mindustry.
Was I like one of the only ones who played it tho?
Yooo jool might be radioactive
When kitten space agency gets costom solar system (Or I guess if it does, but they did say they wanted it to have a costom system) Are you gonna do anything with that? Or are you gonna stick with KSP through and through?
Where can we find and play Juno?
App Store or steam
JUNO NEW ORIGINS MENTIONED RAAHH🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥WHAT THE FUCK IS A SCIENCE MODE
Could Juno be a Neutron Star?
Neutron stars have typical diameters of a couple dozen km. Juno sadly has a diameter of several tens of thousands of km
Blue dwarf
why is joseph gordon levitt a gaming youtuber
Omg, as a kid I looked even more like him, especially as I had long hair like him in "3rd Rock from the Sun "
lol
Juno (Finally) :D
JUNO WOOOOOOOOOOOO
fr though nice video :D
Nothing to do with the video I SAW THE LIKE COUNTER GO UP like IN REAL TIME WHEN DID TH-cam ADD THAT?
If you want more precise numbers than the ones on the wiki I could get you any
Wow, is this the real Pedro? Thank you for watching the video! I would love some more info if you are willing to provide those. You can find my e-mail in mio YT bio
@@curious_ksp_ do you have discord?
@@pedro16797 I do, but prefer not to post here lol
Ye. I like juno because it was cheaper that ksp
nice video
There are less info beacuse it's less popular, and the one that know the game play it on mobile (I am an example)
I play it on pc. So checkmate
@@true_octagone is it free on PC?
No, sadly not. But I bought it as a business expense lol
@@curious_ksp_ lmao
YES
YIPPEE
gud
hot
His voice makes me mad for some reason, idk why
Bruh