The way the industry's shifting, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple Black or any of your projects became an actual anime one day. You definitely deserve it. Keep up the hustle! XD
Love the analogy of Manga=Comic, Football/Futball/Futbol=Soccer. It makes sense I hate it when people judge me for drawing in a certain style and they call me out like I'm wrong. WELL EXCUSE ME, I have developed my style for years based on comics I like not judging based off of where they came from so let me do me...sheesh. Great video Odunze!
I'm so glad you decided to make this video! My comic is left-to-right and I've had some idiots come at me recently claiming that it's not Manga, it's really fucking annoying!
the orientation depends on which magazine you publish. in Japan it is from right to left. in France it's the same. and other places left to right. what I say is, draw as you want to draw, call it as you want to call it, publish where you want to publish. in the end, the only thing that matters is that it is interesting to read.` I mean, if you're not Japanese, but you want to talk about samurais, ninjas, Japanese schoolgirls, go ahead. research, develop and be original. (because many people fail in this aspect or complain about this? simple, because they have to create something very very similar to something already existing and this goes for all nationalities.) in interviews with editors of the jump have said that the only thing that matters is to be original and interesting. It does not matter where the job comes from. in the end .. it's you, who decides what to do and how to do it.
When I visited Japan and asked teenagers what anime they watched when they were kids, they showed me Dexter's Lab or Spongebob. I don't know if it was because I was American or because they didn't didn't distinguish between cartoons and "anime".
GBDubstep Like the others have mentioned before, the word "anime" is pretty much the shortened form of the word "animation" but written in katakana (animation ⇛ アニメーション read as animēshon ⇛ アニメ a.k.a. anime). In Japan anime is basically any animated form of entertainment, including Spongebob Squarepants, Pocahontas, Dexter's Lab, and Steven Universe.
In japan they call all animated series anime. That's what anime means. It is short for animation. They also call american comics manga as far as I know, but I guess they might say comic just to make clear that they are talking about a foreign comic just like I would say manga to make clear that it is a japanese one.
There are people in my school looking over my shoulder when I'm drawing a character that I made or a character from a popular manga/anime and say, ''Ew!! What is that?! Hentai drawing freak!!!'' Or something like that, and it makes me feel.... not bad but just in a worse way than before but I haven't stopped drawing. If anything it makes me feel like I have to prove them wrong
Harvey Art yo what kinda school do you go, there’s this girl in my school and it’s a public school, she would draw gay hentai and nobody gives two fucks about it, and I live in a mean neighborhood, but you really shouldn’t let people talk to you like that or let them get to your head, fuck them. And it surprises me that people still makes fun of or shame anime or manga lovers.
@World Wide Weeb yeh, prejudice when we haven't even finished drawing, them not understanding perspective and anatomy and then asking me those questions as if they know any better lol, its annoying. I get you bro
That’s just annoying, I mean if you were to draw hentai then it’s alright to call it hentai but not all anime’s have hentai so that doesn’t make sense… My friends don’t really care but it’s the teachers that find anime really weird, I have yet to come across a teacher who likes or understands anime. I hope there is Atleast 1 anime liking teacher considering there’s over 100 staff.
TBH with Manhua now and days being colored with the style they're drawn in looking like anime/manga style just news and Korean instead it still is manga at heart. Differences mostly feel just cultural and style wise with each. I think it's mostly Elitist edgy trashy Weebs that try argue these things tbh
I think that the people who separate those two terms are people who had Japanese media idolized and they don't want to mix their products with others from different parts of the world. But i'm pretty sure that everyone who had put a foot into the actual creation of something (comic, animation) can realize very fast that there's actually no difference, except than cultural ones. This video its very helpful for everyone who wants to start doing a creative work. Thank you Whyt!
This is a very interesting point; however, there are other parts that come to play with this sort of thing. Tradition. American mangakas may choose to draw their manga right to left to keep the tradition of manga, of Japanese comics. They make stylistic choices to keep this tradition alive. It is a choice for each author, whether or not they want to do this but it is a reason why some authors do, do this.
You're right, artists can use whatever orientation they want regardless of whether it may affect their publishing [I'd advise against it, it's always safe to use the orientation of where you want to publish, especially if you want to be published by a predominantly English or left to right speaking publisher]. I just want people to know why Japanese comics are that way to begin with and then they can decide. it's better to understand the foundation so one can then make informed decisions. I know some authors know this and do to keep the aesthetic and Japanese tradition alive and that's an okay argument by fine me but some don't know why they do it and think it's law.
No lie, when you pulled out that mystery material with the dots and placed/cut it out to make it cover the characters face...that was cool. I'd never thought something like that would be a technique used in this sort of thing. Granted, I'm not an artist, so there are loads of techniques that'd likely surprise me like this, but I just found that to be really cool for some reason, and wanted to share that thought... So, there it is.
I feel like comics and manga are the same medium but the different countries and cultures give them a diff flavor. Like if you ate fried rice from a Latino they have a specific way of cooking and seasoning it, just like if you ate fried rice from a Chinese person they have their own methods and ingredients.
I like to think of manga and western comics as different things and as the same. I often say "I'm working on a comic" and "I'm working on a manga" interchangeably and depending on who I'm speaking with at the moment
Manga is from Japan created by a Japanese person living in Japan and originally in Japanese. if it's not created in Japan it's a comic even if the artist is Japanese.
To me there are already too much movies, Anime, Manga and tv shows that play in America or Japan so I would like to read more about storys with settings in different places of the world that's why my favorite settings are fantasy worlds that don't really exist in real life.
I love this video! When you mention how you don't have to be inspired by one kind of media. For myself i'm currently writing a comic where i find most of my inspiration from various genres of music and all sorts of media.
I would like to personally thank you for this video, me and my friend are trying to make a comic or manga. After listening to this video I feel that I should change my approach to what I know, instead of trying to be like everyone else.
I agree! that's a good way to put it! It can be really hard for us people that have our own unique style and it doesn't really fit in Western Comics or Japanese comics but we can use these terms to help explain it. But in the end we're all just creating stories in our own unique way 💕
one thing i have noticed in the difference of a manga artist and s comic artist is the fact that most manga artist do the pencils, inking, and coloring ( of course just if they do covers, posters, special occasion). of course they have assistants who help them in doing it and also the drawings do not have too much contrast. where as comic artists, youve got the pencil artist, the inker, then the colorist. all separate mostly. im not saying one is better than the other but just an observation i made from a guy who was born and raised reading manga (im japanese btw). also most mangas are stand alone series. yes there are comics like that too. but that's probably why i think manga to me has the advantage of easily diving in because theres only one. i like comics too but i can never dive into like a spiderman comic since i dont know where to start. anyway, do you know of any comic artist who pencils, inks, and colors his drawings? ive been watching manga artists drawings videos (jumpryu) and also some if the great comic artists drawing. im not a pro but im also an illustrator. i love seeing the different process the artists do. especially in manga. they all draw differently and process it differently. i was lucky enough to have scott mccloud come to my college
jaysato Sean Gordon Murphy but he only pencils and inks!! And, I do agree about diving in to the comic book industry. There's so many batmans (who I love!!) And Spidermans. It's like where do you start? But, I think if you're creative enough and can retell your story in your own style. Then, you got a shot!! 😄
sean gordon murphy. cool ill check his work out. yeah to me, there is no need to retell a story over and over again. there are too many reboots or retelling by someone else which i do not like. unless its done by the creator himself.
exactly. like when i saw the x-men movie, the only new about it because of watching the cartoon in the 90s or hearing about the x-men stories from my uncle who read comic books.
I like how you are telling people that manga and comics, the difference is just the style and culture. I also like how you mentioned that different comics even have their own style and that there are no real set of rules when it comes to this. Yes, it is all in the style and how you represent your comic or the "feel" it gives.
I'm so glad you talk about this stuff. People seems to think that manga and comic is different things. I just see them as the same and I call them the same. Some people seems to get upset if you mix them up and I don't get that. My comic borrows some of the "manga" aestetic, but it stops there. Everything else is in a european setting and my characters is from my country. When I was young I fell into the "japanese manga trap" where I made japanese characters and setting etc. But I quickly realized; "how am I supposed to make a story like this when I have never even been to japan?" I know nothing real about japan and therefore it made no sense to do a comic this way. My tip is to write about something you know, that seems familiar to you.
Yeah you're right.... That's happen to me everytime, when i talked about my works, they keep arguing what my work is manga or a comics, i just tell them they're the same, and if they keep saying it, i said come here fight me, i'll show you its the same thing
I get what you're saying and agree that it's OK to have your own style when it comes to comics and drawing, but it's also important to remember that Japan is a country that has build it's culture on predictability. There are many rules in Japan and those even tell you how far you are allowed to break other rules, but your freedom stops there where the readers feel uncomfortable with what you're trying to do. I think that this predictability is also the reason why Manga and Anime themself are so much more popular than western comics, especially when it comes to quality.
That kinda makes sense but remember those "rules" only apply depending on the individual artists goals are, For example, If I don't care AT ALL about popularity or how people may perceive my work and just allow them see it as they please or I only make manga as a hobby, I can do what ever I like, or my publisher/editor or boss etc specificaly says, go for it!, there are no rules and even if there are, these rules, if any, depend on factors that aren't always consistent or constant, things change all the time, manga from years ago is very different from manga today regardless of the country of publication, the reasons for these changes also do not negate the change itself. So again, makes sense but thats not even a Japan thing, every one has their way of working, so different rules exist and lastly, I don't 100% agree with your point on Japan with predictability. That doesnt make too much sense to me, for example, there are certain tips and techniques for good storytelling and some might be predictable to a degree but again, it's not a Japan thing... unless I did not fully understand your point. At the end of the day, there really arent any rules, it depends on the creator.
What I'm talking about is that Japanese culture tends to be more focused on tradition and fixed rules, there is enough flexibility, but less than in other cultures. This is something that you'll often see in Japanese workplaces, just think about how often we hear that Faxes are still popular. There it's often more important to stick to the known process of doing something than to always find new and more efficient ways. Nearly all Mangakas are working in those environments and I often heard that they even get told how to name their coloring layers when they work at something on a PC, but goes as far as what poses and facial expressions to use and how to do their line work. This hidden structure of traditions brings often an important familiarity to most of the popular media that comes from Japan. It's ok to create freely, but it's always important to think about what audience one is aiming at, because art is a form of expression, a language of emotions, which means that someone else also has to be able to understand it. You can always invent your own language, but it often makes more sense to talk the words that will be understood.
Asagi Your argument only applies to Japanese mangaka, and even then, hardly. Look at Eiichiro Oda, the creator of muthafuckin ONE PIECE. His whole shtick is unpredictability and aesthetic originality. Had One Piece come out in the 80s, maybe it would have flopped, but nowadays, those qualities are appreciated more than ever. If the story is good, the story is good. Doesn't matter if you followed conventional traditions or not. Too many manga end up stale and boring BECAUSE they try to follow convention and tradition to a fault. cough (Fairy Tail) cough. I'm tired of reading the same damn stories with the same damn characters who are just named differently. We need more people of various ethnicities and nationalities to put what they know into their stories. Makes for more relatable topics, humor, and storylines.
Asagi Actually the rules depends on each individual company just like America. For example, Jump comics has a different set of rules compared to KC comics in Japan. The rules and criteria differ because of the different audiences and stories being told. Jump is for boys. KC is for boys and girls. If an artist in Japan in isn't with a company, he or she is much more free.
Thank you for making this video, Whyt! As I say in my trailer vid, I used to be all like "I don't wanna make a comic book, I wanna make a Manga!!" but as I got into it more I started to realize how blurred the lines are between the two and how silly it is to limit one's creativity for the sake of authenticity. Now, I just say "I'm gonna make a graphic novel" 'cause I'm like, screw the boundaries, I'm just going to make the best story I can make and if that means some people will think it's not Manga, who cares. As long as they like the story I will have done my job.
I think it has more to do with the connotations. Eastern comics and animation has always been known to appeal to all ages. Western comics have the standard connotation of being for children. This applies to marvel, DC, Cartoon Network, etcetera. It's already becoming a worldwide phenomenon.
Greasy Hobo The exception does not make the rule. Sadly, there aren't many American animated shows who try to up their stylization and detail nowadays, so what he said still applies. I have hope for the future though. The kids who grew up on anime will soon be the ones running the big animation studios.
KrobTheGreat 1 It really feels like an American anime, and even has fight scenes that directly pay homage to a lot of classic anime. With that being said, some episodes do feel more like just a normal cartoon. Oh yeah, I guess we could include Teen Titans in the list too.
I even waited to hear what you had to say, till I started drawing. Incase I was doing something wrong. I've had this idea for a long time now and I completely agree. And I like how you added about being diverse, because I have several necessities, which I wanted to be in the story & isn't some sort of problem, it's just the way I wrote it. 👌
I can't agree more with you man. As artist we must to grow up and see the panorama with more clarity and leave behind the concepts that are stopping our development. IDK if I wrote wrong, English is not my first language.
Thank you so much for making this video I've already been producing a pony comic for years, and recently have been excited about an Isekai type of story I started writing. I've been nervous about whether or not I'm doing the right research, and if I was going to make some big mistakes in producing a very different kind of comic than what I'm used to. Especially since I'm not all that well-versed in anime or manga yet. It was really reassuring to hear your views about what defines manga and comics, and the reminder that stories don't have to focus on a specific place or people. Changing the location of my story has actually opened up a lot of doors for creative changes I can make, and now it seems like it's going to have much broader and richer content! ^^ Anyway, I just wanted to thank you for that.
DAAAAAMN, thank you for this video!!! 100% AGREE!!! I get this all the time. That my work isnt Manga because I'm not japanese and the story takes place in the USA
"Write what you know, and you can't write what you know if you don't know what you are writting about" wise words sir, i agree in what you said in this video manga and comics, anime and cartoon, same fucking thing love your work keep it up
It's just for easy distinction. Not to enforce any hard rules. You wouldn't call the Simpsons an anime, you wouldn't call spiderman a manga. We all kinda get which is which
the reason why anime/manga look so destinctive is because over the last 2 decades it established a style wich is simple yet detailed but pleasing for the eye, i personally would phrase it the generic eastern comicbook style, yet there are odd ones out cuz in the end its up to the artist to decide wich direction its goin
Although it can be agreed that manga and comics are the same thing when you only think about the semantics, people will want to make distinctions between Western and Eastern comics with short-hand terms because of the cultural differences. And this trend probably will not end anytime soon. A comic created in Japan will often take from, indirectly be influenced by or respond to cultural values shared within Japanese society. In the event that a creator is responding to cultures outside of Japan, that would still be considered anime because the creator will often have a set of values and perceptions shaped by the culture they were raised in. Hence why some people might not agree that "Avatar: The Last Airbender" isn't anime, but rather anime influenced, aesthetic wise.
You make a really good point on this. In the Japanese language, from what I’ve seen, all comics are called “manga” (literal translation of the kanji I think is “picture story”) and the word “comics” is mostly used in reference to, say, DC or Marvel. And all cartoons are called “anime” bevause the Japanese word “anime” comes from the French word for “animation”.
One of the key difference in Manga/Anime and Comics/Cartoons are theme and tone. Hence all the categories of of Manga and Anime out there. If you look at Naruto, My Hero Academia, Dragon Ball they are share a similar story and arc structure and they all function in telling a Aseops like lesson for the society to go by. Yes tools techniques and style are open to interpretation but the function of the media are what marks them as different. Manga and Anime are not the circular story telling of western Comics and Cartoons. For the most part the story are serial and the characters grow and change in approximation of real time, while comics will by there very circular aspect have to be rebooted every few decades because they keep treading the same roads over and over again for a new aging audience. The reason manga are different is in the basis of the storytelling and not necessarily in the execution of the art itself which is why a lot of American Mangaka's are not as well received in the Japanese market place.
the difference you stated are not necessarily the differences between Manga/Anime and Comics/Cartoons, what you've typed are the differences between JAPANESE Manga/comics and AMERICAN Manga/comics. Same applies to JAPANESE Anime/Cartoons compared to AMERICAN Anime/Cartoons.
I can't lie I didn't expect myself to be a victim of this mistake thanks for enlightening me. looks like its back to the drawing board for me. Mangaka ni naru
i actually think theres a misconception in this video as well. the styles of manga didnt origionate in japan, comic strips were brought in by american soldiers in world war 2. but manga esque aesthetics evolved in japan
I get what you're saying, manga is a comic and anime is an animation. Of course everyone can do both genres if they really want to. I think the major difference comes into the story itself and how it's shared. Story is presented differently because of the different cultures and that's why people really love manga.
Starting my first manga I'm not looking to publish it but I really think u gain the most experience from actually trying, so tip for those starting out, MAKE MANGA!!! It's the only way to gain manga experience
I feel so helpless with my art i just want to get better and I don't have the patience for it so I get discouraged. I'm confident in my story telling tho. I just want my art to reach exposable standards. And for me those standards aren't very high.
Very well put. Although I enjoy the genre and style of manga, I just enjoy comics and animation in general and I want people to see my creations/comics as such. I know research is essential when creating stories, but if you just use it as a base and create your own world around that you won't run the risk of having people tell you this and that about what it's not. For instance, I love my samurai but because I know nothing about it first hand aside from reading up on it, I would rather create an alternate universe where they are technically not considered samurai by name, but they will be called something else...a name I would make up. For those who share the same interest in samurai characters they will see the individual with samurai like characteristics. To be safe this is what I do and it makes creating stories more fun when you can create your own universe, language and so on. Am I wrong?
This is just my personal opinion, but i think creators revealing who they are behind the story RUINS the story for me... it really becomes hard to enjoy. especially ecchi type mangas, when reading 'those' type of scenes and the creator's face jsut pop up in my mind, what a turn off lmfao. i think the reason for this is cause it makes the story feel all the more fiction, it's hard to get immersed in the story when i know the creator's face or voice. this is also probably why most mangaka in japan choose to not face reveal and attract too much attention to themselves.
Very good points. I lived in Japan for over 10 years and they abbreviate everything; anime is animation abbreviated. I guess you could say specifically Japanese animation, but even Disney cartoons are called anime in Japan, just American animation or anime. Freeeedom!
I have a novel I wrote back in 2000-2001, and the God of the Kingdom is named Ja'haal. I don't know the spelling of your character, as I have yet to check out Apple Black, but it's on my reading list.
To be honest i would like to make a manga with dialogue going from right to left because i prefer so, its probably the muscle memory or instinct i have when i read manga.... I accidentally read alot of comics from right to left when they shouldnt be.
Dang, getting me to wanna pick up the pencil and keep sketching my comic/manga. I created an an entire universe from scratch, but there’s a lot of influence on basically anything I like. I’ve actually made a comic for it, but it was so far into the story there’s literally no point in posting it anywhere. I’m working VERY slowly on the first issue. The prologue essentially. It’s an excessively complicated story to explain, but, I like it, and most people I know have found it interesting. Basically alien universe, the story revolves (mostly secretly) around a prophecy of the main character(s), it’s kind of similar in aspects to stuff like Dragon ball and Bleach, and I guess the style of my drawing has been notably similar to Dragon ball as well. Any advice how to get it out there once I actually finish the first few issues? I’m having a hard time, a lot of online free places won’t allow gore, which there’s a quite bit of in my story (death is VERY common, but not super grotesque death or anything, swords and explosions mostly). The story picks up right at the end of a civil war, so naturally yes, there’s death and violence right in the beginning. How do I get it out there? And eventually sell comics? Searching online isn’t really helping so I figure someone who actually does just that may have some tips, or if you have videos on the topic direct me to it or something, thanks. Your manga/comics are pretty cool btw, and this video is actually quite inspirational!
Manga and comics are different... for example, Mangas end... they are finite, once they finish they don't get remade by different artists and rebooted, they might have sequeles or prequels but nothing compared to American comics. American comics end, and then get remade again... and again... and again... and never stop, how many versions of Batman, Spider-Man, TMNT be remade by different artists with altered character versions.
Hi Whyt, I'm writing a sci fi supernatural manga series with Haitian and mixed characters. Is it better to stick with one genre, but I have other genres that I like I don't want to lose any readers.
Nephtalie Albert I'm Mexican, but I'm kind of tired of stories with only White or Asian main characters, lol. I myself am working on a Sci-Fi/Action-Adventure novel with a heavy Hong Kong Kung Fu movie and anime influence, that has a Mexican main character. I'm interested in stories made by people with very minimal representation in pop-culture.
Nephtalie Albert I think if it fits their character, it's fine, but when you have a very young, shy girl wearing barely anything, I just cringe and shake my head, lol. Also when a female character wears bikini armor. I'm just thinking, "That's not practical at all." lol.
im at the beginning of making my manga and i am writing mine right to left, even if the manga wont be published in japan, most of us manga fans are already used to reading right to left, so id assume it wouldn't be any problem just aslong as you're telling a good story
Admittedly I had all these misconceptions, but once you start looking at all of the most influential manga and where they drew their inspiration, you start seeing that this whole "that's how MANGA is supposed to look like" stuff. Is just a load of crap and severely limits creativity for a person.
Well i agree 100% with you, I am participating in a project of a manga magazine, well it is done in Costa Rica... well the guys on this project insist that manga should be like it is in Japan... that really bugs me, they want to do the reading left to right and all that stuff, even though it is made in CR .-.
Andre Moya Show them this video then. Hopefully it could change some of their minds. More accessibility for your region means more exposure, and thus, more readers and fans.
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"If spongebob was made in Japan" - *Narmak op plays*
Fucking killed me.
Weeb time stamp?
4:24
Weeb tk
Weeb not all heroes wear capes, thanks
To grow as an artist, it is necessary to discuss topics such as this one.Looking foward to your future works, Whyt!
The way the industry's shifting, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple Black or any of your projects became an actual anime one day. You definitely deserve it. Keep up the hustle! XD
Netflix!!!
I'm going to give making comics a serious effort this Winter, so hearing your insights is very helpful.
Well how'd it go?
Did you accomplish something
Just checking up on your progress, if any...
Any progress?
Made any progress yet?
Love the analogy of Manga=Comic, Football/Futball/Futbol=Soccer. It makes sense I hate it when people judge me for drawing in a certain style and they call me out like I'm wrong. WELL EXCUSE ME, I have developed my style for years based on comics I like not judging based off of where they came from so let me do me...sheesh. Great video Odunze!
I'm so glad you decided to make this video! My comic is left-to-right and I've had some idiots come at me recently claiming that it's not Manga, it's really fucking annoying!
Max Manga yo what's up Max lol
Yo Figgs, didn't expect to see you here lol!
Max Manga yea man, always looking for info on different subjects lol
The term is "OEL Manga", I believe. Also working on my own.
the orientation depends on which magazine you publish. in Japan it is from right to left. in France it's the same. and other places left to right.
what I say is, draw as you want to draw, call it as you want to call it, publish where you want to publish. in the end, the only thing that matters is that it is interesting to read.`
I mean, if you're not Japanese, but you want to talk about samurais, ninjas, Japanese schoolgirls, go ahead. research, develop and be original. (because many people fail in this aspect or complain about this? simple, because they have to create something very very similar to something already existing and this goes for all nationalities.)
in interviews with editors of the jump have said that the only thing that matters is to be original and interesting. It does not matter where the job comes from.
in the end .. it's you, who decides what to do and how to do it.
Everytime i see your videos, it pushes me again and again to get up and continue making my comic book/manga, Thanks for the video!😊
When I visited Japan and asked teenagers what anime they watched when they were kids, they showed me Dexter's Lab or Spongebob. I don't know if it was because I was American or because they didn't didn't distinguish between cartoons and "anime".
GBDubstep anime basically means animation..
GBDubstep a cartoon is anime
GBDubstep Like the others have mentioned before, the word "anime" is pretty much the shortened form of the word "animation" but written in katakana (animation ⇛ アニメーション read as animēshon ⇛ アニメ a.k.a. anime). In Japan anime is basically any animated form of entertainment, including Spongebob Squarepants, Pocahontas, Dexter's Lab, and Steven Universe.
In japan they call all animated series anime. That's what anime means. It is short for animation. They also call american comics manga as far as I know, but I guess they might say comic just to make clear that they are talking about a foreign comic just like I would say manga to make clear that it is a japanese one.
I will soon become a mangaka
Corneille K me too
You can do it even I am trying yo
Corneille K me too I'm planning on moving to Japan in a few years
Brian Guzman me too
Liam Monaghan stfu. If they aspire to be mangaka then let them.
Go mind ur own business.
There are people in my school looking over my shoulder when I'm drawing a character that I made or a character from a popular manga/anime and say, ''Ew!! What is that?! Hentai drawing freak!!!'' Or something like that, and it makes me feel.... not bad but just in a worse way than before but I haven't stopped drawing. If anything it makes me feel like I have to prove them wrong
Harvey Art yo what kinda school do you go, there’s this girl in my school and it’s a public school, she would draw gay hentai and nobody gives two fucks about it, and I live in a mean neighborhood, but you really shouldn’t let people talk to you like that or let them get to your head, fuck them. And it surprises me that people still makes fun of or shame anime or manga lovers.
@World Wide Weeb yeh, prejudice when we haven't even finished drawing, them not understanding perspective and anatomy and then asking me those questions as if they know any better lol, its annoying. I get you bro
I'm lucky because where I'm at the most people will do is meme about like Naruto running and here's the thing I love memes
That’s just annoying, I mean if you were to draw hentai then it’s alright to call it hentai but not all anime’s have hentai so that doesn’t make sense…
My friends don’t really care but it’s the teachers that find anime really weird, I have yet to come across a teacher who likes or understands anime. I hope there is Atleast 1 anime liking teacher considering there’s over 100 staff.
TBH with Manhua now and days being colored with the style they're drawn in looking like anime/manga style just news and Korean instead it still is manga at heart. Differences mostly feel just cultural and style wise with each.
I think it's mostly Elitist edgy trashy Weebs that try argue these things tbh
I think that the people who separate those two terms are people who had Japanese media idolized and they don't want to mix their products with others from different parts of the world. But i'm pretty sure that everyone who had put a foot into the actual
creation of something (comic, animation) can realize very fast that there's actually no difference, except than cultural ones.
This video its very helpful for everyone who wants to start doing a creative work. Thank you Whyt!
Page orientation is right to left and the (Japanese) text is read vertically.
TRUE.
Whyt Manga *Senpai noticed me!* 😫
This is a very interesting point; however, there are other parts that come to play with this sort of thing.
Tradition. American mangakas may choose to draw their manga right to left to keep the tradition of manga, of Japanese comics. They make stylistic choices to keep this tradition alive. It is a choice for each author, whether or not they want to do this but it is a reason why some authors do, do this.
You're right, artists can use whatever orientation they want regardless of whether it may affect their publishing [I'd advise against it, it's always safe to use the orientation of where you want to publish, especially if you want to be published by a predominantly English or left to right speaking publisher]. I just want people to know why Japanese comics are that way to begin with and then they can decide. it's better to understand the foundation so one can then make informed decisions. I know some authors know this and do to keep the aesthetic and Japanese tradition alive and that's an okay argument by fine me but some don't know why they do it and think it's law.
No lie, when you pulled out that mystery material with the dots and placed/cut it out to make it cover the characters face...that was cool. I'd never thought something like that would be a technique used in this sort of thing. Granted, I'm not an artist, so there are loads of techniques that'd likely surprise me like this, but I just found that to be really cool for some reason, and wanted to share that thought...
So, there it is.
I feel like comics and manga are the same medium but the different countries and cultures give them a diff flavor. Like if you ate fried rice from a Latino they have a specific way of cooking and seasoning it, just like if you ate fried rice from a Chinese person they have their own methods and ingredients.
I like to think of manga and western comics as different things and as the same. I often say "I'm working on a comic" and "I'm working on a manga" interchangeably and depending on who I'm speaking with at the moment
Manga is from Japan created by a Japanese person living in Japan and originally in Japanese. if it's not created in Japan it's a comic even if the artist is Japanese.
You broke that down very well my brother!
Yes finally a new vid, also congrats on the Crunchy Roll expo. Also the Narmak animation is fire.
To me there are already too much movies, Anime, Manga and tv shows that play in America or Japan so I would like to read more about storys with settings in different places of the world that's why my favorite settings are fantasy worlds that don't really exist in real life.
I love this video! When you mention how you don't have to be inspired by one kind of media. For myself i'm currently writing a comic where i find most of my inspiration from various genres of music and all sorts of media.
I would like to personally thank you for this video, me and my friend are trying to make a comic or manga. After listening to this video I feel that I should change my approach to what I know, instead of trying to be like everyone else.
Your faces are so appealing. It has nothing to do with the topic of this video, just wanted to share.
I agree!
that's a good way to put it! It can be really hard for us people that have our own unique style and it doesn't really fit in Western Comics or Japanese comics but we can use these terms to help explain it. But in the end we're all just creating stories in our own unique way 💕
one thing i have noticed in the difference of a manga artist and s comic artist is the fact that most manga artist do the pencils, inking, and coloring ( of course just if they do covers, posters, special occasion). of course they have assistants who help them in doing it and also the drawings do not have too much contrast. where as comic artists, youve got the pencil artist, the inker, then the colorist. all separate mostly. im not saying one is better than the other but just an observation i made from a guy who was born and raised reading manga (im japanese btw). also most mangas are stand alone series. yes there are comics like that too. but that's probably why i think manga to me has the advantage of easily diving in because theres only one. i like comics too but i can never dive into like a spiderman comic since i dont know where to start. anyway, do you know of any comic artist who pencils, inks, and colors his drawings? ive been watching manga artists drawings videos (jumpryu) and also some if the great comic artists drawing. im not a pro but im also an illustrator. i love seeing the different process the artists do. especially in manga. they all draw differently and process it differently. i was lucky enough to have scott mccloud come to my college
jaysato Sean Gordon Murphy but he only pencils and inks!! And, I do agree about diving in to the comic book industry. There's so many batmans (who I love!!) And Spidermans. It's like where do you start? But, I think if you're creative enough and can retell your story in your own style. Then, you got a shot!! 😄
yeah same. honestly I can't get into the western stuff because it's all jumbled together and I have no clue where to begin
sean gordon murphy. cool ill check his work out. yeah to me, there is no need to retell a story over and over again. there are too many reboots or retelling by someone else which i do not like. unless its done by the creator himself.
exactly. like when i saw the x-men movie, the only new about it because of watching the cartoon in the 90s or hearing about the x-men stories from my uncle who read comic books.
I'm going to make a guess and say that jack Kirby does his own comics completely.
I like how you are telling people that manga and comics, the difference is just the style and culture. I also like how you mentioned that different comics even have their own style and that there are no real set of rules when it comes to this. Yes, it is all in the style and how you represent your comic or the "feel" it gives.
I'm so glad you talk about this stuff. People seems to think that manga and comic is different things. I just see them as the same and I call them the same. Some people seems to get upset if you mix them up and I don't get that.
My comic borrows some of the "manga" aestetic, but it stops there. Everything else is in a european setting and my characters is from my country.
When I was young I fell into the "japanese manga trap" where I made japanese characters and setting etc. But I quickly realized; "how am I supposed to make a story like this when I have never even been to japan?" I know nothing real about japan and therefore it made no sense to do a comic this way. My tip is to write about something you know, that seems familiar to you.
In western Countries Manga and Comics are totally different things. But in Japan manga is any comic book.
Yeah you're right.... That's happen to me everytime, when i talked about my works, they keep arguing what my work is manga or a comics, i just tell them they're the same, and if they keep saying it, i said come here fight me, i'll show you its the same thing
I get what you're saying and agree that it's OK to have your own style when it comes to comics and drawing, but it's also important to remember that Japan is a country that has build it's culture on predictability. There are many rules in Japan and those even tell you how far you are allowed to break other rules, but your freedom stops there where the readers feel uncomfortable with what you're trying to do.
I think that this predictability is also the reason why Manga and Anime themself are so much more popular than western comics, especially when it comes to quality.
That kinda makes sense but remember those "rules" only apply depending on the individual artists goals are, For example, If I don't care AT ALL about popularity or how people may perceive my work and just allow them see it as they please or I only make manga as a hobby, I can do what ever I like, or my publisher/editor or boss etc specificaly says, go for it!, there are no rules and even if there are, these rules, if any, depend on factors that aren't always consistent or constant, things change all the time, manga from years ago is very different from manga today regardless of the country of publication, the reasons for these changes also do not negate the change itself. So again, makes sense but thats not even a Japan thing, every one has their way of working, so different rules exist and lastly, I don't 100% agree with your point on Japan with predictability. That doesnt make too much sense to me, for example, there are certain tips and techniques for good storytelling and some might be predictable to a degree but again, it's not a Japan thing... unless I did not fully understand your point. At the end of the day, there really arent any rules, it depends on the creator.
What I'm talking about is that Japanese culture tends to be more focused on tradition and fixed rules, there is enough flexibility, but less than in other cultures. This is something that you'll often see in Japanese workplaces, just think about how often we hear that Faxes are still popular. There it's often more important to stick to the known process of doing something than to always find new and more efficient ways.
Nearly all Mangakas are working in those environments and I often heard that they even get told how to name their coloring layers when they work at something on a PC, but goes as far as what poses and facial expressions to use and how to do their line work.
This hidden structure of traditions brings often an important familiarity to most of the popular media that comes from Japan.
It's ok to create freely, but it's always important to think about what audience one is aiming at, because art is a form of expression, a language of emotions, which means that someone else also has to be able to understand it. You can always invent your own language, but it often makes more sense to talk the words that will be understood.
Asagi Your argument only applies to Japanese mangaka, and even then, hardly. Look at Eiichiro Oda, the creator of muthafuckin ONE PIECE. His whole shtick is unpredictability and aesthetic originality. Had One Piece come out in the 80s, maybe it would have flopped, but nowadays, those qualities are appreciated more than ever. If the story is good, the story is good. Doesn't matter if you followed conventional traditions or not. Too many manga end up stale and boring BECAUSE they try to follow convention and tradition to a fault. cough (Fairy Tail) cough. I'm tired of reading the same damn stories with the same damn characters who are just named differently. We need more people of various ethnicities and nationalities to put what they know into their stories. Makes for more relatable topics, humor, and storylines.
Asagi Actually the rules depends on each individual company just like America. For example, Jump comics has a different set of rules compared to KC comics in Japan. The rules and criteria differ because of the different audiences and stories being told. Jump is for boys. KC is for boys and girls. If an artist in Japan in isn't with a company, he or she is much more free.
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AGREED. FACTS. Great video.
Thank you for making this video, Whyt! As I say in my trailer vid, I used to be all like "I don't wanna make a comic book, I wanna make a Manga!!" but as I got into it more I started to realize how blurred the lines are between the two and how silly it is to limit one's creativity for the sake of authenticity. Now, I just say "I'm gonna make a graphic novel" 'cause I'm like, screw the boundaries, I'm just going to make the best story I can make and if that means some people will think it's not Manga, who cares. As long as they like the story I will have done my job.
you just changed my life .. this i needed fuck the haters and dislikes
I think it has more to do with the connotations. Eastern comics and animation has always been known to appeal to all ages. Western comics have the standard connotation of being for children. This applies to marvel, DC, Cartoon Network, etcetera. It's already becoming a worldwide phenomenon.
I never really thought about this while working on my comic. Thanks for this man.
There's a character with a Hijab in Planetes by Makoto Yukimura
I love the Japanese way of making manga
Like the right to left style and cool manga effects
America= cheap animation and more realistic looking art
Japan= stylized and more detailed animation even when cheaply made compared to America
Greasy Hobo The exception does not make the rule. Sadly, there aren't many American animated shows who try to up their stylization and detail nowadays, so what he said still applies. I have hope for the future though. The kids who grew up on anime will soon be the ones running the big animation studios.
KungFuPandurr the avatar, the boondocks and I think there's one more I just can't remember it
KrobTheGreat 1 In terms of story and stylization, I would also say Samurai Jack, and to a slightly lesser degree, Steven Universe.
KungFuPandurr yes samurai jack is actually the one I was referring to but im not so sure about Steven universe
KrobTheGreat 1 It really feels like an American anime, and even has fight scenes that directly pay homage to a lot of classic anime. With that being said, some episodes do feel more like just a normal cartoon. Oh yeah, I guess we could include Teen Titans in the list too.
I agree! That's what I'm doing too, putting my Japanese characters in an American atmosphere :)
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I'm not afraid to admit that I sorta had that mindset when creating new ideas, especially when I was young and impulsive, but now I know better.
Thank you for making this video! I basically say the same thing when someone asks me about manga and anime. Keep up the good work.
whyt continue ahead, thanks for taking your time explaining manga and drawing things
I even waited to hear what you had to say, till I started drawing. Incase I was doing something wrong.
I've had this idea for a long time now and I completely agree. And I like how you added about being diverse, because I have several necessities, which I wanted to be in the story & isn't some sort of problem, it's just the way I wrote it. 👌
I can't agree more with you man. As artist we must to grow up and see the panorama with more clarity and leave behind the concepts that are stopping our development.
IDK if I wrote wrong, English is not my first language.
Thank you so much for making this video
I've already been producing a pony comic for years, and recently have been excited about an Isekai type of story I started writing. I've been nervous about whether or not I'm doing the right research, and if I was going to make some big mistakes in producing a very different kind of comic than what I'm used to. Especially since I'm not all that well-versed in anime or manga yet. It was really reassuring to hear your views about what defines manga and comics, and the reminder that stories don't have to focus on a specific place or people. Changing the location of my story has actually opened up a lot of doors for creative changes I can make, and now it seems like it's going to have much broader and richer content! ^^ Anyway, I just wanted to thank you for that.
DAAAAAMN, thank you for this video!!! 100% AGREE!!! I get this all the time. That my work isnt Manga because I'm not japanese and the story takes place in the USA
"Write what you know, and you can't write what you know if you don't know what you are writting about" wise words sir, i agree in what you said in this video manga and comics, anime and cartoon, same fucking thing love your work keep it up
I make mine left to right, but only as a start. If I ever publish it. I will flip it
It's just for easy distinction. Not to enforce any hard rules. You wouldn't call the Simpsons an anime, you wouldn't call spiderman a manga. We all kinda get which is which
I totally agree !!! Manga is Comics and Anime is Animation.
I love how made them so diverse
You have a guide on clothing folds/wrinkles? That's something I need to learn how to do efficiently.
Nice visual references, Jahal
the reason why anime/manga look so destinctive is because over the last 2 decades it established a style wich is simple yet detailed but pleasing for the eye, i personally would phrase it the generic eastern comicbook style, yet there are odd ones out cuz in the end its up to the artist to decide wich direction its goin
Watching your process was mesmerizing, thanks. Cheers from co. Galway Ireland.
Although it can be agreed that manga and comics are the same thing when you only think about the semantics, people will want to make distinctions between Western and Eastern comics with short-hand terms because of the cultural differences. And this trend probably will not end anytime soon. A comic created in Japan will often take from, indirectly be influenced by or respond to cultural values shared within Japanese society. In the event that a creator is responding to cultures outside of Japan, that would still be considered anime because the creator will often have a set of values and perceptions shaped by the culture they were raised in. Hence why some people might not agree that "Avatar: The Last Airbender" isn't anime, but rather anime influenced, aesthetic wise.
Very well made video. Thanks for posting this. I actually learned a lesson from this.
I want to buy apple black but I don't have a credit card... I love shounen manga...
You make a really good point on this. In the Japanese language, from what I’ve seen, all comics are called “manga” (literal translation of the kanji I think is “picture story”) and the word “comics” is mostly used in reference to, say, DC or Marvel. And all cartoons are called “anime” bevause the Japanese word “anime” comes from the French word for “animation”.
How and where do you get that gray-scale sheet? It seems to make that part of comic-making far easier. It also looks very nice.
One of the key difference in Manga/Anime and Comics/Cartoons are theme and tone. Hence all the categories of of Manga and Anime out there. If you look at Naruto, My Hero Academia, Dragon Ball they are share a similar story and arc structure and they all function in telling a Aseops like lesson for the society to go by. Yes tools techniques and style are open to interpretation but the function of the media are what marks them as different. Manga and Anime are not the circular story telling of western Comics and Cartoons. For the most part the story are serial and the characters grow and change in approximation of real time, while comics will by there very circular aspect have to be rebooted every few decades because they keep treading the same roads over and over again for a new aging audience. The reason manga are different is in the basis of the storytelling and not necessarily in the execution of the art itself which is why a lot of American Mangaka's are not as well received in the Japanese market place.
the difference you stated are not necessarily the differences between Manga/Anime and Comics/Cartoons, what you've typed are the differences between JAPANESE Manga/comics and AMERICAN Manga/comics. Same applies to JAPANESE Anime/Cartoons compared to AMERICAN Anime/Cartoons.
When the SpongeBob anime B roll started running, you got my like 👍
I can't lie I didn't expect myself to be a victim of this mistake thanks for enlightening me. looks like its back to the drawing board for me. Mangaka ni naru
Can you make a video on how to draw smaller for comics? I cant for the life of me get it right.
Me too, thanks to this guy right here I'm about to finish my Manga named life after death
Man i love your art style
i actually think theres a misconception in this video as well. the styles of manga didnt origionate in japan, comic strips were brought in by american soldiers in world war 2. but manga esque aesthetics evolved in japan
I love how culturally diverse your characters are, having black characters or hijabis in manga is just really great to see 👌
I get what you're saying, manga is a comic and anime is an animation. Of course everyone can do both genres if they really want to. I think the major difference comes into the story itself and how it's shared. Story is presented differently because of the different cultures and that's why people really love manga.
@WhytManga ....sensie I highly agree with you....great video...!!!
Starting my first manga I'm not looking to publish it but I really think u gain the most experience from actually trying, so tip for those starting out, MAKE MANGA!!! It's the only way to gain manga experience
I feel so helpless with my art i just want to get better and I don't have the patience for it so I get discouraged.
I'm confident in my story telling tho. I just want my art to reach exposable standards. And for me those standards aren't very high.
Thank you for this Video!
Very well put. Although I enjoy the genre and style of manga, I just enjoy comics and animation in general and I want people to see my creations/comics as such. I know research is essential when creating stories, but if you just use it as a base and create your own world around that you won't run the risk of having people tell you this and that about what it's not. For instance, I love my samurai but because I know nothing about it first hand aside from reading up on it, I would rather create an alternate universe where they are technically not considered samurai by name, but they will be called something else...a name I would make up. For those who share the same interest in samurai characters they will see the individual with samurai like characteristics. To be safe this is what I do and it makes creating stories more fun when you can create your own universe, language and so on. Am I wrong?
This is just my personal opinion, but i think creators revealing who they are behind the story RUINS the story for me... it really becomes hard to enjoy. especially ecchi type mangas, when reading 'those' type of scenes and the creator's face jsut pop up in my mind, what a turn off lmfao. i think the reason for this is cause it makes the story feel all the more fiction, it's hard to get immersed in the story when i know the creator's face or voice. this is also probably why most mangaka in japan choose to not face reveal and attract too much attention to themselves.
Finally someone understands ideology on comic manga and anime and cartoon
Apple black is fire bro
Very good points. I lived in Japan for over 10 years and they abbreviate everything; anime is animation abbreviated. I guess you could say specifically Japanese animation, but even Disney cartoons are called anime in Japan, just American animation or anime. Freeeedom!
I have a novel I wrote back in 2000-2001, and the God of the Kingdom is named Ja'haal. I don't know the spelling of your character, as I have yet to check out Apple Black, but it's on my reading list.
thanks for taking your time,
i appreciate. all the advice keep making videos
thinking broad is good. putting yourself in a box reduces complexity.
I love how you add the spongebob anime video 😂😂
This is a really good point
To be honest i would like to make a manga with dialogue going from right to left because i prefer so, its probably the muscle memory or instinct i have when i read manga....
I accidentally read alot of comics from right to left when they shouldnt be.
Dang, getting me to wanna pick up the pencil and keep sketching my comic/manga.
I created an an entire universe from scratch, but there’s a lot of influence on basically anything I like.
I’ve actually made a comic for it, but it was so far into the story there’s literally no point in posting it anywhere. I’m working VERY slowly on the first issue. The prologue essentially. It’s an excessively complicated story to explain, but, I like it, and most people I know have found it interesting. Basically alien universe, the story revolves (mostly secretly) around a prophecy of the main character(s), it’s kind of similar in aspects to stuff like Dragon ball and Bleach, and I guess the style of my drawing has been notably similar to Dragon ball as well. Any advice how to get it out there once I actually finish the first few issues?
I’m having a hard time, a lot of online free places won’t allow gore, which there’s a quite bit of in my story (death is VERY common, but not super grotesque death or anything, swords and explosions mostly). The story picks up right at the end of a civil war, so naturally yes, there’s death and violence right in the beginning. How do I get it out there? And eventually sell comics? Searching online isn’t really helping so I figure someone who actually does just that may have some tips, or if you have videos on the topic direct me to it or something, thanks.
Your manga/comics are pretty cool btw, and this video is actually quite inspirational!
I hope you finish the series of your comic I hope it will be something great!
I plan to make webtoons in the future. I love your art style and Apple Black.
Manga and comics are different... for example, Mangas end... they are finite, once they finish they don't get remade by different artists and rebooted, they might have sequeles or prequels but nothing compared to American comics.
American comics end, and then get remade again... and again... and again... and never stop, how many versions of Batman, Spider-Man, TMNT be remade by different artists with altered character versions.
I drew from right to left because I have read to many manga
Cool video bro!Good luck:)
Hi Whyt, I'm writing a sci fi supernatural manga series with Haitian and mixed characters. Is it better to stick with one genre, but I have other genres that I like I don't want to lose any readers.
Nephtalie Albert That sounds badass. I'd read it.
KungFuPandurr Thank you.
Are you Haitian?
Nephtalie Albert I'm Mexican, but I'm kind of tired of stories with only White or Asian main characters, lol. I myself am working on a Sci-Fi/Action-Adventure novel with a heavy Hong Kong Kung Fu movie and anime influence, that has a Mexican main character. I'm interested in stories made by people with very minimal representation in pop-culture.
KungFuPandurr That's cool I would love to see it. How do you feel about modesty in manga like female characters wearing skimpy clothing?
Nephtalie Albert I think if it fits their character, it's fine, but when you have a very young, shy girl wearing barely anything, I just cringe and shake my head, lol. Also when a female character wears bikini armor. I'm just thinking, "That's not practical at all." lol.
Yo whyt my man love the art yo!
This is cool and all but where volume 2 at tho?!
No rules needed to know that it's like I know but now , I really know
Thx for sharing Whyt!
Question: How deep did u researched for Apple Black (for example the power system or the ranking of the goverment)?
im at the beginning of making my manga and i am writing mine right to left, even if the manga wont be published in japan, most of us manga fans are already used to reading right to left, so id assume it wouldn't be any problem just aslong as you're telling a good story
im currently making a manga on my channel that reads right to left too
u wanna give it a watch?
Admittedly I had all these misconceptions, but once you start looking at all of the most influential manga and where they drew their inspiration, you start seeing that this whole "that's how MANGA is supposed to look like" stuff. Is just a load of crap and severely limits creativity for a person.
Well i agree 100% with you, I am participating in a project of a manga magazine, well it is done in Costa Rica... well the guys on this project insist that manga should be like it is in Japan... that really bugs me, they want to do the reading left to right and all that stuff, even though it is made in CR .-.
Andre Moya Show them this video then. Hopefully it could change some of their minds. More accessibility for your region means more exposure, and thus, more readers and fans.