Thank you for your pragmatic approach. As an ARMY vet with a couple P hearts. Your information will keep people alive if, heaven forbid they need to apply their skills.
I needed to hear this because I’ve been trying to decide whether I would rather be slower but more accurate or faster and less accurate but accurate enough.
Rob is spot on as usual. People tend to get locked in to a paradigm and refuse to self analyze and make the necessary corrections. Someone, years ago told them that "X" is better than "Y" and they will do everything they can to hang on their version of reality no mater what. This is much like the martial arts scene these days.
Cognitive dissonance (the mental conflict that occurs when beliefs or assumptions are contradicted by new information) is a mental trait that will hold back, not only students, but teachers/masters to enhancing their abilities for certain practices. Be humble to adapt 🤗
One of the things I have learned from shooting in the last year is if you want to become better at it, you have to stop and break it down. If you aren't satisfied with your results after all these years you may have to scrap just about everything and start over. New stance, grip, trigger control and draw. I took a four day handgun class and found out the grip they taught was just awful. It's taken me months to get that out of my head. The last bit of this video says if you're doing the same wrong thing over and over and expecting different results, it's a sign of insanity.
You also have to be careful with the scenario where you were taught the right way but you weren't exactly doing it the right way and you scrapped the right way because you weren't at the level to do it right yet. I see this a lot in newer shooters who take comfortable over right especially if they get frustrated with results. Not saying you're guilty of this, but I don't discard techniques unless I've compared extensively.
Rob Leatham is the most articulate firearm instructor. Don't @ me! And that's from a Police officer who continues to train with the "best" in the business.
Bill Retherford you will never learn to shoot fast if you don't practice it. Shoot slow and accurate, stay slow and accurate. The mechanics of shooting fast are not the same as shooting slow. Slap that trigger.
To a point. If you never practice going fast, you'll never get any good at shooting fast, no matter how much you drill accuracy. It's the _balance_ of speed and accuracy that you develop with practice.
Yes, you have to experiment with speed. Even if the wheels fall of the wagon, then just dial it back a bit, but it's the constant experimentation with going fast that gets you fast.
I think a lot of issues with "slow and accurate". Come from a time of, 5 rounds on a circular target. People are afraid to learn how to use a gun for its intended purpose. Therefore we have a bunch of momos walking around with a CCW, not knowing the fundamentals from a self defense standpoint as well.
Speed for the win!👍 Better watch that thumbnail wording though...anything about "shooting fast" is being monitored by the antigun TH-cam police. Thanks for your insight brother! 🇺🇸👍🇺🇸✌️🇺🇸
You can go so slow your accuracy won't matter. In competion or in SD. Hit factor, target disapears, target shoots you first. Too often instructors that teach accuracy without regard to speed are setting the bar low enough for them to achieve to protect their own ego.
Accuracy and speed are both necessary. The most important thing to focus on is putting rounds on target. Once you know how to make the bullets go where you want them to go every time, *then* you focus on speed.
No..why? Because the things you do for pure accuracy don't always work when speed is a factor. You have to shoot in ways that will hold up when milliseconds matter. The mechanics of shooting fast are not the same as shooting slow and accurate
@@joeberger3441 They absolutely are the same, even Rob Leatham will tell you this. All you're doing is relaxing them in favor of speed. But they're not fundamentally different. You're simply applying less confirmation on your sights, and perhaps less care on your trigger pull.
I agree in part but just because you shoot the gut with a handgun (even in the face) doesn't mean the fight is over. So I agree speed is important but its the speed at which you move your ass, preferably to a better place, not necessarily the speed with which you shoot someone. First I'm trying to not get shot, then shooting the bad guy, and when I do I'll take a good enough sight picture and good enough trigger press all day. Unless your at "sniper ranges" for pistols good enough will work.
I am glad you said "competition"! In war it's don't get shot! So look for cover! Avoid getting shot at all costs! I'll bet that 1/4 second will get you shot too? Three Gun is a fun game and yes there are transferring skills, but it is still a game!
they are too LAZY to get fast. They wont spend time and money on the airsoft gun and timer that would quickly, safely and cheaply teach them to be TWICE as fast for the draw and hit as they currently Are. In the early 80,s, when I could reliably draw from surrender and hit a 10" disk at 5m in . 75 second (speed rig, but SECURE) I'd learned to do so with dryfire and primer only wax ammo in a 1911. I'm not quite that fast any more, , More like .90 second and the extreme reversal of the arm movement with a speed rig hurts my elbow after a few repetitions. So I settle for 1.0 second, with an FBI angle on the rig. I never did think that open wear rigs made any sense. That's not how youll be carrying your gun. starting hand in pocket, I can still get the .75 second reaction, draw and hit at 5m, and I can sidestep as I do so, too. That's more like reality to me.
"You have to be a reaction time and a bullet flight time faster". That right there says everything.
The last 20 seconds is one of the best life lessons someone can learn. Whether you shoot or not, that is great advice.
Rob teaches more in 3 minutes than most teach in an hour. It justakes sense. Thank you for the wisdom you share.
Thank you for your pragmatic approach. As an ARMY vet with a couple P hearts. Your information will keep people alive if, heaven forbid they need to apply their skills.
I think he is absolutely correct here.
This is absolutely true and profound.
Finally good advice on utube you have a new fan
I needed to hear this because I’ve been trying to decide whether I would rather be slower but more accurate or faster and less accurate but accurate enough.
Rob is spot on as usual. People tend to get locked in to a paradigm and refuse to self analyze and make the necessary corrections. Someone, years ago told them that "X" is better than "Y" and they will do everything they can to hang on their version of reality no mater what. This is much like the martial arts scene these days.
"I reject your reality, and substitute my own."
to be accurate, you have to be accurate fast enough.......love this saying
Don't forget practical experience. Worth it's weight in gold in stressful situations.
TRUTH, nothing more to be said.
Cognitive dissonance (the mental conflict that occurs when beliefs or assumptions are contradicted by new information) is a mental trait that will hold back, not only students, but teachers/masters to enhancing their abilities for certain practices. Be humble to adapt 🤗
Jp77530 "EPISTEMOLOGY".. 😉
Squirrel Sniper yes! 😄
Clear sky Over the lake couldn't have said it better. RIP (roam in peace/paradise) Bruce Lee
Clear sky Over the lake because water always finds its own level...
Jp77530 I am going to try this with my wife! Wish me luck!
Well said and I served with Larry Vickers back in the day.
right on.
One of the things I have learned from shooting in the last year is if you want to become better at it, you have to stop and break it down. If you aren't satisfied with your results after all these years you may have to scrap just about everything and start over. New stance, grip, trigger control and draw. I took a four day handgun class and found out the grip they taught was just awful. It's taken me months to get that out of my head. The last bit of this video says if you're doing the same wrong thing over and over and expecting different results, it's a sign of insanity.
You also have to be careful with the scenario where you were taught the right way but you weren't exactly doing it the right way and you scrapped the right way because you weren't at the level to do it right yet. I see this a lot in newer shooters who take comfortable over right especially if they get frustrated with results. Not saying you're guilty of this, but I don't discard techniques unless I've compared extensively.
@@paddypibblet846 I did say "after all these years". Is there any question you would ask Rob Leatham?
@@paddypibblet846o
“Take your time - in a hurry!”
I wonder what prescription protective glasses Rob is wearing?
There's a reason Rob is the 88th National and 62nd World Champion. Or something like that.
Timing beat speed
Accuracy beat power
Well, I mean, I can’t really argue with that.
Timing always beats speed. Always
Rob Leatham is the most articulate firearm instructor. Don't @ me!
And that's from a Police officer who continues to train with the "best" in the business.
It's better to clip your enemy in the hip, than to wait for a perfect kill shot only for him to clip you in the hip.
As someone said, you can't miss fast enough to win.
I heard once that Jerry Barnhart said that, not sure if that is true.
He who scores the most points wins. Another one, second place is the first looser. I can do this all day as well.
I found gold!
We condemn what we do not understand.
yep
Can we agree practicing accuracy speed will indelibly follow?
Bill Retherford you will never learn to shoot fast if you don't practice it. Shoot slow and accurate, stay slow and accurate. The mechanics of shooting fast are not the same as shooting slow. Slap that trigger.
To a point. If you never practice going fast, you'll never get any good at shooting fast, no matter how much you drill accuracy. It's the _balance_ of speed and accuracy that you develop with practice.
Yes, you have to experiment with speed. Even if the wheels fall of the wagon, then just dial it back a bit, but it's the constant experimentation with going fast that gets you fast.
5th....It was too clean not to do it..I swear lol
This doesn’t fall in line with my personal beliefs. But that’s why he’s the champ and I’m just a pretty accurate, slower shooter
And 5 months later, I agree with the dude!
@@wrestle4life234 That's why he was the champ in the first place :D
Good
If somebody has gone killed allot of times and going back to life again and again just to correct his mistakes maybe im gona listen to his advice
I think a lot of issues with "slow and accurate". Come from a time of, 5 rounds on a circular target. People are afraid to learn how to use a gun for its intended purpose. Therefore we have a bunch of momos walking around with a CCW, not knowing the fundamentals from a self defense standpoint as well.
Speed for the win!👍
Better watch that thumbnail wording though...anything about "shooting fast" is being monitored by the antigun TH-cam police.
Thanks for your insight brother! 🇺🇸👍🇺🇸✌️🇺🇸
You can go so slow your accuracy won't matter. In competion or in SD. Hit factor, target disapears, target shoots you first. Too often instructors that teach accuracy without regard to speed are setting the bar low enough for them to achieve to protect their own ego.
So if my reaction times are slower, I need a gun and ammo with a higher muzzle velocity?
Lol 😆
Honestly, yes lol, Luckily most people don't have to shoot at moving targets from 20 yards away.
Accuracy and speed are both necessary. The most important thing to focus on is putting rounds on target. Once you know how to make the bullets go where you want them to go every time, *then* you focus on speed.
No..why? Because the things you do for pure accuracy don't always work when speed is a factor. You have to shoot in ways that will hold up when milliseconds matter. The mechanics of shooting fast are not the same as shooting slow and accurate
@@joeberger3441 They absolutely are the same, even Rob Leatham will tell you this. All you're doing is relaxing them in favor of speed. But they're not fundamentally different. You're simply applying less confirmation on your sights, and perhaps less care on your trigger pull.
How could someone hit the Not Like button on this video.
never hold gun sideways
4 center mass
whole clip in the face ... =)
That was life coaching disguised as “how to be a better pistol shooter”.
mic drop
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shooting isn't golf
I agree in part but just because you shoot the gut with a handgun (even in the face) doesn't mean the fight is over. So I agree speed is important but its the speed at which you move your ass, preferably to a better place, not necessarily the speed with which you shoot someone. First I'm trying to not get shot, then shooting the bad guy, and when I do I'll take a good enough sight picture and good enough trigger press all day. Unless your at "sniper ranges" for pistols good enough will work.
I don't think he was trying to address everything involved in a gunfight.
Shoot fast, don't miss.... 😉 keep your powder dry my friend
First .
I am glad you said "competition"! In war it's don't get shot! So look for cover! Avoid getting shot at all costs! I'll bet that 1/4 second will get you shot too? Three Gun is a fun game and yes there are transferring skills, but it is still a game!
Did you even watch the video?
Did you not read that he's glad Rob said "competition"?
Are you saying it's better to be slow outside of competition?
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they are too LAZY to get fast. They wont spend time and money on the airsoft gun and timer that would quickly, safely and cheaply teach them to be TWICE as fast for the draw and hit as they currently Are. In the early 80,s, when I could reliably draw from surrender and hit a 10" disk at 5m in . 75 second (speed rig, but SECURE) I'd learned to do so with dryfire and primer only wax ammo in a 1911. I'm not quite that fast any more, , More like .90 second and the extreme reversal of the arm movement with a speed rig hurts my elbow after a few repetitions. So I settle for 1.0 second, with an FBI angle on the rig. I never did think that open wear rigs made any sense. That's not how youll be carrying your gun. starting hand in pocket, I can still get the .75 second reaction, draw and hit at 5m, and I can sidestep as I do so, too. That's more like reality to me.
6th
I spotted that Springfield logo. In quarter of a second faster that it took me to unsubsribe...thats speed baby!!
danneo65 I guess you have no interest in becoming a better shooter.......
Shoot the cameraman
Hey you old fart!
Let's go for a MTB ride!
I haven't hit any parked cars lately have you?
Haymaker