Talk Is Jericho: Malakai Black Talks About His Surprise Release From WWE
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Malakai Black came to AEW with purpose, attacking Arn Anderson and starting something with Cody! He explains how his shocking release from WWE turned into a quick deal with AEW, what it was like hiding out before his debut on AEW DYNAMITE, and how the creative freedom and collaborative locker room have inspired him. Malakai also recounts the origins of his Malakai Black gimmick from his early days as Tommy End to the evolution of Aleister Black and how he used the occult and horror movies to inform his character and matches. He speaks to what he learned from both Shawn Michaels and Terry Taylor, and shares the story behind the Dark Father vignettes at WWE, and how that might have been his undoing. Plus, his favorite match, and the talent he’s most looking forward to working with at AEW.
Vince doesn't know what to do with a lot of talent, not just Tommy... that's as clear as water. We have in the past 3 years countless examples about it.
You know how much talent this company has? This was/is the best roster ever wrestling wise and they don’t do shit with any of there wrestlers storyline or anything else. If this was early 00 or late 90’ it would be a different animal
WCW will end WWE once and for all 🤣 So many wrestlers jumping ship all because of WWE's creative team constantly dropping the ball
@@christophergallinat1820 But they are still on top
@@redwan6605 well not long if their continue like that NXT talent is mazing but in Raw or Smackdown good talent will get buried
He practically dropped an Indy size promotion worth of talent
I can't wait until Paul Heyman gets released (and it seems like a possibility given the release news so far this year). His ideas plus the young AEW talent plus Tony Khan's money would be a sight to see.
It won't happen until Vince falls out of love with Roman which may not happen til mania which I think Cena will boost Roman to that 2nd ceiling and thru it to set up the Rock @ Survivor Series Roman & Goldberg spear vs spear non title then Roman vs Seth @ Royal Rumble & Rock vs Roman at mania or that's how I would book him long term for the now
@@JoshuaDangerExp no Rock! Push a ln actual contracted talent to face Roman at mania, or let the WWE continue to shrivel into a shell of what it once was
Not going to happen.
I remember Paul suggested to Dixie that they should push their young talent. Well that answered went nowhere
@@LL-fd7xn You can't blame Paul for Dixie not listening to him. She thought money was in only pushing guys like Hogan, Nash and Steiner. Whatever formula AEW found, they're doing it right so far.
Vince was absolutely mad at Paul Heyman and Black got stuck in the middle. And it hit its breaking point when Heyman suggested Black be involved in the Undertaker vs AJ Styles match
Vince has always hated Paul Heyman, because he's always subconsciously known that Heyman is a better booker than him. ECW was so beloved because it was booked so well- but it only died because Heyman, while a great booker, was a terrible businessman. Vince is not a good booker, but he was a great (and ruthless) businessman, and back in the day he was able to delegate to good bookers. Heyman has always been better at knowing what the fans want and either giving it to them or working them to keep them engaged until he does, and Vince has always resented that, which is why he always tries to keep Heyman close so he couldn't go anywhere else and work against him again (and also as an advocate for guys like Brock Lesnar), while simultaneously shutting him out and keeping him from having any influence on the show (they used to say that if you wanted Vince to ignore an idea, the best way to do so was to get Heyman to present it to him). It's pure green-eyed envy.
@@ArcaneAzmadi Been saying this for years. Vince should just handle the business aspect of WWE and hand off the creative side to someone who has proved to be able to do the job...like HHH.
@@KoolKeithProductions Well if that happened AEW would not exist, because HHH can do what AEW does and we've seen it in NXT when HHH had all the control. Honestly HHH is a ruthless businessman like Vince but he is also an amazing booker like Hayman, so he is kind of a combination of both, sure he may personaly not like people like Punk or Cody, but if the fans want it he will give it.
@@ArcaneAzmadi ECW booking was incredible. Many cards on their PPV or even TV shows just felt perfect. Would be interesting if he goes to AEW. I know Tony Khan is a huge ECW fan so hope they can work well together.
Well that was better at least he got to work with Top talents, now in AEW after 3 years he got his first singles match, it's sad that he is never on TV. WWE even under Vince gave him better TV time then AEW
TBH i thought Aleister black was going to be the face of WWE one day
During the 2020 royal rumble vince had to choose drew or aleister he chose drew i saw a video saying this donno if it was true
LOL Why? This guy had Boogeyman written all over him. What is so great about this guy? He literally has no character. He's a martial artist vampire who wants to pick a fight. Same thing with Bray. Just two dudes who have not made one salient point
@@thehater6189 you are a fool
Nahh Vince oldberg as the face of the Wwe cus a 50 year old talent is better than young talent
@@ThatGuyDami Right, you have no actual argument. There is nothing that sets this jobber apart from any other no character nerd
You know I'm not "that guy" that jumps on this with just about every WWE release, but Black, along with Wyatt releases were truly baffling to the highest degree. Two immensely talented guys who will be a massive loss to their respective rosters. WWEs loss is AEWs gain though....
Let’s hope and pray that Wyatt makes the right decision and goes to AEW and hopefully he’s the last one from WWE that they hire along Bryan and Punk. Fingers crossed 🤞🏼
I would add strowman to that list.
JJ • honestly Braun stroman's is more of a where one to me then Rotunda. From the stories I've heard I honestly think that Rotunda is having some type of medical or mental issue to the point where he didn't know when he was going to be coming back. If I'm an employer and I have someone who's going through some stuff where they're going to have to take a long. Of time off, I might consider firing them also but the door will always be open for me to invite them back.
@Acerulez319 debatable. Aew lacks a monster heel imo.
@@wrydrune They have Miro as a monster heel...So keep stroman away
Listening to the full cast right now. What an interesting character he is.
Legit one of the nicest guys I ever met in my life
Tbh Alesiter and Bray Wyatt should've replaced Kane and Undertaker as the dark horror guys in WWE have a passing of the torch match and let them be the supernatural wrestlers. I hope they both thrive now.
The one thing that helped Kane and Taker MAJORLY was the fact they're both 6'10+ (which helps for their looks) and having two 6'10+ guys battering the smaller guys REALLY made for some awesome visuals.
Yet another banger of a show.
Jericho gets the importance of booking.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Judging by the aew shows im not sure thats true
@@donmeyers2631 lmao
So glad he in Aew he could be the face of the company. Also I'm excited for both you & Malakai Black matches
His matches with Buddy Murphy highlighted how talented both those guys were.
He’ll be a great heel in AEW. Cody put him over as a killer. Hope they keep his momentum going. A Hangman feud would be fire, especially with the Dark Order in the mix.
What if he ends up taking over Dark World order an they all turn on Hangman
I’ve been waiting for this interview between Jericho and Black , wanted to hear the BS they made Black go through on the main roster.
There’s a reason why being “a Paul Heyman guy” means something
Haven’t seen 1 good promo at WWE from Tommy. Switched to Aew and boom, he showed his talent. In your face Mcmohon
I like how they capitalized the AB in ABout, because it's Alister Black's initials. Don't know it it's intentional, but I'm gonna roll with it.
Who has captialized the AB? Chris himself, when he pronounces the word, "About"?
@@Red-Red-Red-Red The video's name
Typo
Probably coincidence
It’s definitely intentional
I just listened to the full podcast.
It was great to hear Malakai's perspective of time in wwe and his process. Think he would be great in any character he can bring. It would be cool if he got some disciples his character makes sense as the head of a faction of dark characters.but ultimately it's a honor to be able watch him kick ass on AEW.
CHRIS great podcast keep them coming. Good luck with the tour.
Ayyyyy an absolute legend and a future legend
Now imagine a stable with Malakai, Darby Allin, Sting and Bray Wyatt in AEW 🔥🤯 I want this now !!
Bray vs Black is a money feud
Something never happened in Wwe
Also Bray needs to be the leader of the Dark order
I was thinking more Bray, Black, Darby, Abadon, and some huge muscle not named Braun. Maybe Mil Muertes.
@@eastwaters4082 or matanza cueto (jeff cobb)
It's funny, I remember JR saying something a while back about being part of your own creative, and if you don't like an idea, offer an alternative, and that not enough guys were doing that in WWE.
I feel like this is proof that that system no longer works, because it sounds like clearly Malakai has ideas, he had a vision for his character, he offered those alternatives, and they fell on deaf ears.
He sounds very intelligent, I am interested in seeing what he does going forward. I'd like to see more from him in the ring, see what he can do outside of a squash match, but so far his movement is very crisp, and the few moves he did do looked strong.
you can here his accent pop up the faster he talks, love it
As a Dutch guy its amazing to hear haha
Dude has "IT"... I can't stress that enough... AEW better do that man justice!
How do you know what "IT" is your a fan like just the rest of us dont pretend you know what you're talking about it makes you look stupid
He's talking about the "IT" factor, Tony. Wrestling fans are the ones who decide the ultimate fate of each character--it's always been that way. We can tell better than anyone who's got "IT", and who doesn't. Your comment was extremely rude and reeked of ignorance. On the contrary, his comment makes him look like he has a good understanding of what it takes to make it and be successful in this business. Simply put, he's absolutely right and you're the one that looks stupid, not to mention hateful.
@@MetalMe55iah *you're 🤦🏾♂️ Guess it's you who looks stupid now hey little guy?
@@MetalMe55iah He has Charisma, Talent and brings in Money.. That is "IT" ... This dude is either a WWE troll or just a keyboard warrior... I am guessing BOTH.
@@sloothlothos1 Thanks my dude!
Honestly Vince didn't know how to book this guy cause he had so much talent,gimmick,look,imp act And main event level if HHH was in charge sooner this guy would been a multiple time world champion
I don't know if it was done on purpose but the caps in AB in about is a good touch to the initials of his previous character 🤯
"I think Vince was really keen on me but circumstances got in the way" ~ 90% of wrestlers released by Vince who probably forgot their names after a week. Love Tommy's work in ring and out but he comes across as a bit naïve
I don't think he's being naive he's trying to not burn bridges with the E in the event that he has to go back.
You wouldn't want to burn a bridge that big if you were in his shoes, regardless of how they treated you, imo
What he is telling is Vince doesn't want a wrestler to get over on his own.Vince wants the wrestler to get over with his idea
@@thegalatiatex6238 No, he doesnt wanna burn bridges with the WWE because his wife still works there, bro. Wont matter to Vince tho, shes already 0-5 since shes been back. The biggest thing l think came out of this interview is MB said the only reason why she went back there was because he was there, and she cried when he got released and asked "what are we going to do now?" That tells me she has no interest in being in the E without him, so she will continue to get buried until Vince gets bored, and then they'll release her too 🤔
I mean, as easy as it is to be cynical about this situation, maybe as people, he and Vince did get along.
Malakai sounds like a smart, polite guy, so theres probably no real animosity here, it's just business. Malakai had a vision, and Vince didn't get it, so their professional relationship ended, that doesn't mean they have to hate each other.
This is some great insight as to how storylines are created
Buddy Murphy, CM Punk, American Dragon, Adam Cole, and now Bray are ALL ELITE.
Bray possibly depending on Braun Murphy might be impact Bryan & punk definitely Adam Cole is a coin toss
Kenny Omega wants Buddy Murphy.
I'd be down to see that
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Breaking News: 20 years later WCW finally wins the Monday Night Wars
I was wondering why Black was so under-utilized by WWE when he was so popular with fans. After the way they put him on the shelf, I really wasn't surprised when WWE released him. I was thrilled when AEW scooped him up. They are a company that will know how to utilize his talents.
Damn with the eye makeup on his right eye Malakai Black reminds me of Anthony Hopkins as Odin in the thor movies.
“i think when Vince walks into the room his first words are Whats next with Cena?! Because that’s what his ideas are always around and I just don’t agree with that.” CM Punk
The more I go back and listen to his interview when he left the more I think about all these releases
Tommy is the legend we need but don’t deserve. 👊
I loved his tag team with Ricochet
Interesting tag pairing we'll see ricochet & black together again as soon as he gets future endeavored also as Puma
Buddy Murphy and Aleister Black Matches in NXT were FN Great! I think Both companies aren't/weren't utilizing Murphy's talent.
Now that Malakai Black is on AEW hope to see him go successfully against formidable opponents and to be made to shine over the competition. Looking forward to the match tonight and many future ones.
I am so excited for his debut tomorrow.
I love that he's in AEW now. He is so damn good
Lookin forward to Malakai Black's run in AEW.
I can't quite put my finger on what it exactly is, but this dude has legit crossover charisma. Don't fuck this up AEW and you've got a true draw on your hands with this guy
The "Knock on my door" segments were f'n absurd.
I'm Glad Malakai Black Is At Aew
Man i loved his character on wwe ...it really reminded me of a crossing between cm punk and the undertaker (a dark character and good on the mic/promo's ) and he is dutch like me so that's automatically a wrestler i watch😂, sucks he's gone in wwe
I really hope aew makes him one of the top guys
NOt gonna lie the buddy vs black stuff was GOOD
Is this malakai black or Tommy end? Ex wrestled him in Dusseldorf Germany but I don't recognize him anymore!
One of the things that I've always found odd about this podcast but I wouldn't change it for the world is the way Jericho goes into ad reads. This episode is a perfect example. There's this one part where malakai is talking about learning from veterans and when malakai is done making his point and stops talking Jericho starts talking, sounding totally different by the way which just makes it obvious that this was recorded later and edited in, and Jericho says "and I want to talk about about what you learned from Shawn Micheals but before we do malakai I just want to say that if your the type of person who likes working on your own car..." and he just goes into an ad read. And it's like obviously he didn't actually say that right? Like obviously he didn't interrupt this interview because right at that moment he felt like he just HAD to tell malakai black about a fucking online car parts store. Obviously it was recorded later and edited in. Which is fine but I just find it funny how everytime he tries to make it seem like a natural part of the conversation.
"Watch Out! Watch Out! Watch Out!... RKO!!" 😂
Black 🖤 coming AEW Honestly is the best thing for AEW THERE VERSION OF THE UNDERTAKER
Its so sad how the days of a dream match back when the fiend was universal champion was black vs him. Now we are here.
Podcast was very cool but that entrance was fkkn EPIC
Hunter: "Vince, here's your new Undertaker."
Vince: *Hmm, just can't figure out what to do with this guy...
"What's that Hunter? Did you say call Taker? Good idea pal, we'll need him back soon!"
Malakai Black vs Darby Alin....and Malakai Black vs the Painkiller Jericho......Tony book that asap.
Tommy said the greatest statement about Vince, “I think he wants to figure it out for himself”. That’s his problem. If it’s not HIS idea or makes sense to HIM he’s against it. I don’t think it’s his age, it’s not helping. But he’s “understanding” is no longer in vogue. In sports terms, he’s a defensive liability. Get him off the court.
Can’t wait for Cody vs Malakai Black tonight on dynamite. Should be 🔥
I like AB martial art skills and the match between him & Murphy was the most entertaining match that night. Vince has messed up the careers of NXT stars and I don't believe Vince understands how much the fans like these wrestlers & thier characters.
Next up we have talk is Jericho! Bray Wyatt edition!!!
@2:40 listen closely and try and explain that. im confused what was heard. but anyway thank you thanks Jericho for having Black on here. Lets hope for a title run.
So basically. The mini feud in 2019 was to be like “remember these two because in 5 years time these are going to be Wrestlemania main eventers against each other so you are seeing the future of the WWE”. Heyman did this with the Smackdown 6 back in 2002 telling Cole and Taz to call them future Hall Of Famers to go “Wow. And I’m seeing the beginning stages of them getting to that point.”
It’s not that. Listen to the background with headphones
Could you imagine if Paul Haymen was by Allister blacks side as the dark father, that could have been the perfect move.
Good luck Malakai 👏
Great interview, interesting guy. The Cody match was great, wonder if he continues the feud or takes on someone else
Great podcast
People think the former WWE superstars that leave or get fire just so they can join AEW but they really want to be on Talk Is Jericho.
WWE messed up big time releasing this guy one my newer wrestlers didnt know much about him till like 2 years ago this guy great promo cool character awesome in the ring plus bryan and punk AEW is on fire
Damn Jericho you just made TH-cam a Damn Radio but damn I'm enjoying it!
Vince McMahon was the problem. Once he was sent home and Triple H and Stephanie took over the company and creative, we saw a lot of people return to WWE and the product got way better. The board of directors did bring Vince McMahon back and they compared his booking to Triple H's at Wrestlemania. Triple H's booking of Wrestlemania Saturday was way better than what Vince booked on Saturday night. That's when they put Triple H in complete control of creative and talent relations and Vince McMahon has no say in those. I find it awful funny that Stephanie stepped down from her post and resigned from the company when Vince McMahon returned.
Ayyy Chris people said on Twitter that Eddie Guerrero was an b plus player
Paul needs an environment where he can showcase his talent as a booker and talent coach.
Y2J what are your thoughts on Caster’s “controversial” rap? As well as it being edited out of AEW Dark?
What'd he say?
@@switchblade6993 referenced simone biles , duke lacrosse and a joke about Julia hart
Do urselves a favor and listen to the whole interview.
When paul Heyman goes to aew imagine the greatness
He'll be back in WWE soon.
Damnnn idk how wwe let somebody like black go … he’s big time frfr. I miss the old wwe 😤
3:55 - The whole story.
You know Fat2J called this whole interview, he calls every fucking thing else in AEW, from telling them who to hire right down to taking credit for them forming, he's a cog in the machine just like the rest of the roster
This guy is Hella lot better since he moved over to aew he be a main event player
Jericho says we don't talk about WWE and here we are lol
Vince is running NXT and WWE as a whole to the ground. Damn shame he can't be vetoed out. He's undoing all the great work Triple H has done with NXT.
Imagine what a show like Impact can do with Heyman’s help?
What CM PUNK SAID 7 YEARS AGO IS COMING TO LIGHT!!!
2 legends 🔥🔥🔥🔥
dark father gimmick reminds me of the cultist Joseph "The Father" seed from Far Cry 5.
So in 3 to 5 years from now buddy and black will main event AEW biggest event of the year. Got it
I am 100% sure that Tripe h would have him tried desperately to bring him back to Wwe now due to the changes that has taken place.But since he is signed with aew i guess it will all be just a dream now
We want to see buddy Murphy in Aew . Here he will get the chance to show his potential.
AEW has this thing Vince doesn’t know shit about.
Matches.
Wrestling on a FUCKING WRESTLING SHOW!
I’m curious to know how Paul would change a wrestling product if he could start another company up I’m curious to know if he’d run it like ecw horrible product or run it more like wwe and how many people would follow him
To think, people were dumbfounded that WWE would release Aleistar Black.
A real...bad sign for the company, making you question wtf was wrong.
And then they fucking released Wyatt @___@
Alister "so, like, you know, like, like, you know" Black
There are talents that are in the business for the money and there are talents that are in the business because of their passion for professional wrestling. Tommy End & whoever that are not in the WWE are in the latter
Hmmm Paul Heyman loved Malakai Black and wanted Anderson and Gallows cut…seems smart to me
Wait until you hear interviews from Bray Wyatt🤘
Man if they get (Bray Wyatt) Windham Rotunda (I think that's his name correct me if I'm wrong?) they are set/stacked. Maybe Braun but I'm cool without him. Get Bray and Ric + Charlotte Flair then chill out for a minute with all the signings lol. Female wrestlers are an exception they need more depth in the women's division, but I would quit throwing all this money for a lil while after those 2; I really hope that happens I'm becoming an AEW fan by the day (I used to not dig it but everyone starts somewhere) they're making wrestling watchable again! Mark Henry was a waste of $ though lol IMO unless he gonna wrestle which he should
Glad to see Paul Burchill made the move thanks Jericho for recruiting big stars!
Jericho does this on purpose every time
love how AEW is treating ex wwe talent better then wwe...Love AEW
Heyman is a god
A solution to booking could be Vince NOT head the creative team and just do business. Creative Team determines the directions of the show and wrestlers contribute with their characters.
If Vince was so "fond" of Black then why did he get fired?
Money is usually the answer...
Bruce Pichard.Vince didn't even want to fire Black.
This is further proof Vince McMahon does not know how to connect with this younger Talent perfect example look at Killer cross and Keith Lee on the main roster this is why I want Adam Cole to leave
Dark father is the only char Vince relates to - guess Kayfabe ain't dead then
I just dont understand why they dont give Paul Heyman control? Like just give him a year and if it fails fine, so many cooks in the pot who think they know best but they dont.
I think Vince's plan is drowning the market with too many talent. I mean looking at it he kind of succeeded. Look at FTR, Shawn Spears, Matt Hardy, Pac, Matt Cardona. They were supposed to be huge and never made it. Now when it was Miro, Malakai and Andrade's time to shine but again getting drowned out by CM Punk and Daniel Bryan's debut. It's like a rush from that spoilt brat Tony having period mood swings with dad's money
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