My son was a victim of a youth pastor’s wife. He was 16, she was 29 and groomed him in similar ways. So heartbreaking for the victims and their parents. I’m sorry this happened to you. You are very courageous and helping so many with your openness.
I vividly remember the time after Schaap's crimes became public. My husband and I were asked several times to write letters in favor of schaaps character to the judge. Prayers for him and his family from pulpit without ever mentioning his victim. Also language like "fallen", "one time mistake", "seduced" etc were used constantly. I would hear people say that the girl was out to get him on purpose and the devil used her to cause him to "stumble". 😡🤢 The language at FBC conveyed that the victim was actually to blame not schaap🤮 Sitting in those pews week after week as a victim myself of sexual assault by a pastor and had never spoken out at the time. I swore never to put myself through the trauma FBC was putting the victim through. I also had my first panic attack during this time. Rachel and Eric are so right... how churches handle sexual assault is so important!!
There are probably so many in the IFB that were groomed and raped. Way more than we know. We have to remember that God will expose what is covered. All the Pastors and leaders who " got away with it", they haven't. They will stand before God one day. My heart goes out to all the victims. I appreciate the " new" IFB is changing things, trying to keep kids safe. When people make Pastors equated to God, and you can never question, abuse will happen. It is very dangerous to idolize the Pastor.
Ashlie, I'm afraid the "new" isn't that much better than the "old." Our family suffered abuse just from disagreeing with PSA and later got slandered by PRJ for defending vulnerable families from perverts within the movement. They covered it up pretty effectively, so much that you probably never heard the truth about it. Several minor children were defrauded and abused by pastors' sons and the leaders didn't help - instead they shamed and shunned the hurting families for trying to find resolution. If you're in a good church, be thankful, but as for a NIFB church, my experience with them was 100x more traumatizing than all the OIFB churches we were a part of previously. Just sharing my personal experience for you to reconsider the big picture. We've moved on and are in a healthy, loving church. After healing now, I'm not afraid to point out to others that abuse is very much a part of the NIFB too.
I admire you for telling your story ! I to am a victim, but not in any church. I don’t talk about it much, but hearing about all the grooming & how they manipulate us, it’s so amazing. For me I feel like these guys must have gone to a class to know exactly what to say and when. To any woman, girl or anyone else that has been a victim to this abuse, I pray for you. Try therapy, it may work.
This is exactly as if it were my story!! Wow.... 23 years in an abusive church and still processing it.... my family, church , elders turned away when i asked for help. I had to escape but made bad choices. I have a hard time going back to a church. I never blamed God. In fact, i feel worthless in his eyes, because I decided to leave church.
I hope you can find peace within your some trustworthy people to spend time with. I'm so sorry this stuff happens, it's really appalling and God does absolutely see it. I see it, and so do many who liked your comment, and the person above me who left another comment. Maybe if you can imagine a real face behind the computer screen it'll help. Sometimes people online are less personal, but we are there and many of us have lived through things too.
Listening July 2024 from Northern California. I’m getting my education in church abuse. I never experienced any church abuse or church hurt but I know it happens and I am WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGAINST child abuse of any sort. I’m 65 and as a survivor I have fought child predators since I was 5. My abuse was by the babysitters husband and his wife knew.
My husband was a church sexual predator. He studied talks like this to figure out how to best not be caught and plan his moves. He videoed his own grooming and making moves sessions to analyze and improve and categorize what worked with what types and in what situation. He had files on all his victims and everyone they knew too. He kept track of their work schedules, their activity schedules, who picked them up, links to their social media posts and checked them daily. What kind of blinds they had in their bedrooms to get better shots set up in windows....sick. Predatory is just the beginning.
A "Covert" abuser will put so much energy into his "Art of deception." Mine did a lot of "charting" looking for his new wife! He gave potential new wives a "score" after charting characteristics he was looking for!
This has been the most horrific story I have heard so far from the ifb. It is unimaginable that this man was able to do this to so many people for so many years, yet nothing was done. Bruce Goddard is responsible for this abuse. He enabled it 100%
That's the thing about being a victim. You are one whether you act like 1 or not and that's why people think victims who have been through h*** , Are not victims because they're not acting like one and so they treat them horribly sometimes. Sorry it was just triggering to me I know you meant it well. Because sometimes victims come out fighters and not afraid hiding in a closet. Which way you choose to deal with it does not denote whether you are a victim or not.
I’m so sorry 😐 Rachel,That you had to go through that situation.Jesus hears your pain and knows your heart.broken heart that he will not despise.The wrongs in which has been done to you.The Lord will take care of these people.I understand what it’s like to be violated and sexually abused.Because I’m a victim as well.It was very traumatic I was only 7 or 9 years old.But I will continually will be praying for you.Jesus is your comforter and He is aware and sees your pain.
Exactly. I've seen more podcast and awareness from Christian men and women calling out abuse in the church and standing against this. This is the Lord defending those who don't have a voice and I believe He's calling the church to route out this evil sexual abuse.
Please do not think that these type of actions are exclusive to IFB which I’m very familiar with. I grew up in that denomination and went to TTU in Chattanooga. I now attend a SBC but just before we joined the single youth pastor took a vacation to Las Vegas with one of the teen girls. Unchecked power is dangerous. It was all swept under the rug for years until the local news found out about it recently.
This poor girl. The amount of guilt he put her through. Made her feel like she sinned!!! I shutter at the thought of this man’s judgement on his judgement day at the foot of Our Lord's judgement throne. Gods justice will be so great this man won’t know what hit him. I can’t believe he had the GALL to use Jesus for his manipulation against her! Do these people know they will be judged!? Where is the fear of the Lord? My gosh. God have mercy on him. God bless this woman. She is shinning the light on this disgusting piece of filth. That’s exactly what God wants her to do. Shine the light on this so it doesn’t happen again. God have mercy.. yikes.
I heard more dirty talk, sexual innuendo, racism, learned about drugs and alcohol all in Church. I would have been more protected by staying home. School was so feared because of what you might learn or hear, when in reality the church scuttle butt was far more damaging.
Btw I attended Hammond Baptist Grade School and Hammond Baptist Junior High and it was a common joke among the students that Jack Schaap couldn't stop talking about sex every time he spoke to us. I was also one year behind his son Ken Schaap.
It still doesn’t make sense to me why these parents of some of these kids are not in their kids lives and business as much as they should be. You cannot just trust anyone with your kids and I never understand how parents just bring their kids up in the church and act like “oh they go to church, they must be good people”. CRAZY to me.
It is bizarre! The youth group culture is like a breather for trusting parents. Raising my girls to have a voice, to be vocal about uncomfortable situations is deemed disrespectful by my precious Christian family. We love that Jesus came to set the captives free and that includes all women. Never, ever silence your voice! May God continue to bless your message and your healing!
What a bastard. It make me angry to hear about the sexual abuse she went through and all under the guise of someone who's supposed to a "man of God." NO, he's a sadistic predator who twisted God's word for his own sick perversion. I hope she had healed and that she know none of this was her fault.
Schaap’s last sermon makes me incredibly uncomfortable. I cannot imagine the soul damage these poor IFB girls sustained. These guys use the Bible to denigrate and manipulate children. That’s… I can’t even come up with words about how this feels.
That sermon @ ~31:00...makes my skin crawl. That MAN makes my skin crawl. All the men who speak like that seem **so transparently** weak & ludicrous to me. Like a little tiny bird all puffed up & squawking, trying to be tuff or whatever. Bleh. Dunno how people can sit & listen to that and not bust out laughing in his face. So gross.
Let me see if this comment is removed but i want to share. My high school principal acted similarly and tried to give me a free college education by working in his political office...he was a local politician....which i did not do. It is so sad. I remember it still and have other stories of men i was dependent on due to illness. Its horrible
In Mentioning Proverbs 13:12, I can’t help but point out the beginning of the next verse, “whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed…..” It seems like the person in question despises the word.
I did not watch every minute of this video but I was wondering if you ever asked this young lady where her parents were during these horrible years? Was she not having an open, healthy relationship with them in a way that she could have confided in them? (Maybe they were too brainwashed themselves.) I think it would be something to be addressed in exposing dysfunctional behavior of IBF families/parents that they defend their children when wronged and always let them feel safe to talk openly with their parents without fear. Very sad story. Thanks for your work.
Pleasing the “man of God” what???? That is not even in context it totally contradicts what the Bible says in Ephesians 6:6-7 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; [7] With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men:
My son was a victim of a youth pastor’s wife. He was 16, she was 29 and groomed him in similar ways. So heartbreaking for the victims and their parents. I’m sorry this happened to you. You are very courageous and helping so many with your openness.
I vividly remember the time after Schaap's crimes became public. My husband and I were asked several times to write letters in favor of schaaps character to the judge. Prayers for him and his family from pulpit without ever mentioning his victim. Also language like "fallen", "one time mistake", "seduced" etc were used constantly. I would hear people say that the girl was out to get him on purpose and the devil used her to cause him to "stumble". 😡🤢 The language at FBC conveyed that the victim was actually to blame not schaap🤮
Sitting in those pews week after week as a victim myself of sexual assault by a pastor and had never spoken out at the time. I swore never to put myself through the trauma FBC was putting the victim through. I also had my first panic attack during this time. Rachel and Eric are so right... how churches handle sexual assault is so important!!
Great shirt! "Don't Be Culty" What a horrible experience. Thank you for speaking out.
I just googled the shirt and other, "Don't Be Culty" merch & ordered a t-shirt. 😃 It's a Lisa Remini product. 👏
I thought it said "don't be guilty" 😮
hearing this makes me sick to my stomach and so very angry, I'm so sorry this happened to you Rach...
There are probably so many in the IFB that were groomed and raped. Way more than we know. We have to remember that God will expose what is covered. All the Pastors and leaders who " got away with it", they haven't. They will stand before God one day. My heart goes out to all the victims. I appreciate the " new" IFB is changing things, trying to keep kids safe. When people make Pastors equated to God, and you can never question, abuse will happen. It is very dangerous to idolize the Pastor.
Ashlie, I'm afraid the "new" isn't that much better than the "old." Our family suffered abuse just from disagreeing with PSA and later got slandered by PRJ for defending vulnerable families from perverts within the movement. They covered it up pretty effectively, so much that you probably never heard the truth about it. Several minor children were defrauded and abused by pastors' sons and the leaders didn't help - instead they shamed and shunned the hurting families for trying to find resolution. If you're in a good church, be thankful, but as for a NIFB church, my experience with them was 100x more traumatizing than all the OIFB churches we were a part of previously. Just sharing my personal experience for you to reconsider the big picture. We've moved on and are in a healthy, loving church. After healing now, I'm not afraid to point out to others that abuse is very much a part of the NIFB too.
@@Morganistas I am so sorry that you had such a bad experience. We live not too far from Stedfast, but don't go to church there.
I admire you for telling your story ! I to am a victim, but not in any church. I don’t talk about it much, but hearing about all the grooming & how they manipulate us, it’s so amazing. For me I feel like these guys must have gone to a class to know exactly what to say and when.
To any woman, girl or anyone else that has been a victim to this abuse, I pray for you. Try therapy, it may work.
Feeling you. Mine was a school teacher, age 13. Therapy is helping me tremendously now at age 32.
This is exactly as if it were my story!! Wow.... 23 years in an abusive church and still processing it.... my family, church , elders turned away when i asked for help. I had to escape but made bad choices. I have a hard time going back to a church. I never blamed God. In fact, i feel worthless in his eyes, because I decided to leave church.
You are NOT worthless, my friend. This happened to you and is not your fault.
God truly loves you and he HATES what was done to you!
I hope you can find peace within your some trustworthy people to spend time with. I'm so sorry this stuff happens, it's really appalling and God does absolutely see it. I see it, and so do many who liked your comment, and the person above me who left another comment.
Maybe if you can imagine a real face behind the computer screen it'll help. Sometimes people online are less personal, but we are there and many of us have lived through things too.
You are not worthless at all
Listening July 2024 from Northern California.
I’m getting my education in church abuse. I never experienced any church abuse or church hurt but I know it happens and I am WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGAINST child abuse of any sort. I’m 65 and as a survivor I have fought child predators since I was 5. My abuse was by the babysitters husband and his wife knew.
My husband was a church sexual predator. He studied talks like this to figure out how to best not be caught and plan his moves. He videoed his own grooming and making moves sessions to analyze and improve and categorize what worked with what types and in what situation. He had files on all his victims and everyone they knew too. He kept track of their work schedules, their activity schedules, who picked them up, links to their social media posts and checked them daily. What kind of blinds they had in their bedrooms to get better shots set up in windows....sick. Predatory is just the beginning.
I am so sorry about what he put you through and what he put his victims through. I wish for healing for all of you.
@@billieryan3453 Sad.
Wow! You poor woman! Was he stopped?
A "Covert" abuser will put so much energy into his "Art of deception." Mine did a lot of "charting" looking for his new wife! He gave potential new wives a "score" after charting characteristics he was looking for!
This has been the most horrific story I have heard so far from the ifb. It is unimaginable that this man was able to do this to so many people for so many years, yet nothing was done. Bruce Goddard is responsible for this abuse. He enabled it 100%
Rachel, you're *not* a victim, at least not in my books...to me, you're a hero, full stop.
That's the thing about being a victim. You are one whether you act like 1 or not and that's why people think victims who have been through h*** , Are not victims because they're not acting like one and so they treat them horribly sometimes. Sorry it was just triggering to me I know you meant it well. Because sometimes victims come out fighters and not afraid hiding in a closet. Which way you choose to deal with it does not denote whether you are a victim or not.
Bless you for being brave enough to share your story, Rachel. May God have mercy on us all ❤️
I’m so sorry 😐 Rachel,That you had to go through that situation.Jesus hears your pain and knows your heart.broken heart that he will not despise.The wrongs in which has been done to you.The Lord will take care of these people.I understand what it’s like to be violated and sexually abused.Because I’m a victim as well.It was very traumatic I was only 7 or 9 years old.But I will continually will be praying for you.Jesus is your comforter and He is aware and sees your pain.
Exactly. I've seen more podcast and awareness from Christian men and women calling out abuse in the church and standing against this. This is the Lord defending those who don't have a voice and I believe He's calling the church to route out this evil sexual abuse.
Please do not think that these type of actions are exclusive to IFB which I’m very familiar with. I grew up in that denomination and went to TTU in Chattanooga. I now attend a SBC but just before we joined the single youth pastor took a vacation to Las Vegas with one of the teen girls. Unchecked power is dangerous. It was all swept under the rug for years until the local news found out about it recently.
Wow! Man, it’s shocking to me that this is so rife within the Baptist faith.
@Preacher Boys I didn't know she went to HAC and married Daniel Peach! I went to school with the Peach boys and their mom was one of my PE teachers.
This poor girl. The amount of guilt he put her through. Made her feel like she sinned!!! I shutter at the thought of this man’s judgement on his judgement day at the foot of Our Lord's judgement throne. Gods justice will be so great this man won’t know what hit him. I can’t believe he had the GALL to use Jesus for his manipulation against her! Do these people know they will be judged!? Where is the fear of the Lord? My gosh. God have mercy on him. God bless this woman. She is shinning the light on this disgusting piece of filth. That’s exactly what God wants her to do. Shine the light on this so it doesn’t happen again. God have mercy.. yikes.
❤❤❤ your story will help many.
I heard more dirty talk, sexual innuendo, racism, learned about drugs and alcohol all in Church. I would have been more protected by staying home. School was so feared because of what you might learn or hear, when in reality the church scuttle butt was far more damaging.
Btw I attended Hammond Baptist Grade School and Hammond Baptist Junior High and it was a common joke among the students that Jack Schaap couldn't stop talking about sex every time he spoke to us. I was also one year behind his son Ken Schaap.
Interesting. Couldn’t stop talking about sex, around kids. And no one batted and eye.
15. 😡. This guy deserves a millstone.
wow. When an adult is wrong, he/she is w.r.o.n.g. Always question when there is a question.
Thank you so much for sharing.
It still doesn’t make sense to me why these parents of some of these kids are not in their kids lives and business as much as they should be. You cannot just trust anyone with your kids and I never understand how parents just bring their kids up in the church and act like “oh they go to church, they must be good people”. CRAZY to me.
It is bizarre! The youth group culture is like a breather for trusting parents. Raising my girls to have a voice, to be vocal about uncomfortable situations is deemed disrespectful by my precious Christian family. We love that Jesus came to set the captives free and that includes all women. Never, ever silence your voice! May God continue to bless your message and your healing!
What a bastard. It make me angry to hear about the sexual abuse she went through and all under the guise of someone who's supposed to a "man of God." NO, he's a sadistic predator who twisted God's word for his own sick perversion. I hope she had healed and that she know none of this was her fault.
Schaap’s last sermon makes me incredibly uncomfortable. I cannot imagine the soul damage these poor IFB girls sustained. These guys use the Bible to denigrate and manipulate children. That’s… I can’t even come up with words about how this feels.
That sermon @ ~31:00...makes my skin crawl. That MAN makes my skin crawl. All the men who speak like that seem **so transparently** weak & ludicrous to me. Like a little tiny bird all puffed up & squawking, trying to be tuff or whatever. Bleh. Dunno how people can sit & listen to that and not bust out laughing in his face.
So gross.
Let me see if this comment is removed but i want to share. My high school principal acted similarly and tried to give me a free college education by working in his political office...he was a local politician....which i did not do. It is so sad. I remember it still and have other stories of men i was dependent on due to illness. Its horrible
The way Schaap talks, narcissism at it finest right there.
In Mentioning Proverbs 13:12, I can’t help but point out the beginning of the next verse, “whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed…..”
It seems like the person in question despises the word.
Pay day someday!
I did not watch every minute of this video but I was wondering if you ever asked this young lady where her parents were during these horrible years? Was she not having an open, healthy relationship with them in a way that she could have confided in them? (Maybe they were too brainwashed themselves.) I think it would be something to be addressed in exposing dysfunctional behavior of IBF families/parents that they defend their children when wronged and always let them feel safe to talk openly with their parents without fear. Very sad story. Thanks for your work.
This is discussed in part one.
You’re not a very attentive listener. She spoke to this in the previous interview.
@@HellIsADarkForest😮 very rude! Why don't you just give her an answer kindly if you know what happened to her parents??
As you are choosing him NOT he targeting you!!!!
This horrible abuse happens everywhere! Public, private and church. Homeschool your children and raise them yourself like the bible teaches:)
I know of a family the secluded themselves from church and homeschooled their children and several of their children abused their siblings.
@@kennethbalos4235 Like what Josh Duggar did.
@@kennethbalos4235 That's terrible.
Pleasing the “man of God” what???? That is not even in context it totally contradicts what the Bible says in Ephesians 6:6-7 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; [7] With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men:
What an evil man.