Love your AS1100 videos! We run one at our store. I have the same tt as you and have tried the 2m red, 2m silver. When I swapped the stylus to the 2m blue everything improved especially the bass. I now run a Audio technica VM740ml on the tt. It is fantastic!
Placing a few LEDs with color control under the acrylic plater would be fantastic! Very much appreciate all your videos and the thought you put into them - My A-S1100 arrives next Thursday :-)
I agreed with your assessment regarding the built in phono preamp in the Yamaha A-S1100; it is indeed very good. I felt that I didn't need an external phono preamp and just got rid of it. No need for extra cables, I just plugged it straight into the amp and listened to it that way.
I love the phono stage in the 1100. I can tell you from experience that a heavier platter doesn't necessarily translate in to more or better bass. I experimented with different turntables and have gotten better bass response from cheaper tables with lighter platters.
I also enjoy vinyl for the aesthetic more so than the sound. I tend to prefer CD. When CD was introduced in the 80's I was on board big time. I was so tired of album noise and CD was such a breath of fresh air. I'll have to check out steaming and see how I feel about it.
The one thing that bugs me about Klipsch is the time alignment issues between drivers. I would love to take your Cornwallis and build a new box that time aligns the drivers and then create new crossovers to match. That would complete the speaker. We did that with movie theater speakers we developed back in the 90's and the difference in inteligability was amazing.
On my Project turntable changing too an acrylic patter made a nice improvement in sound quality. I also feel that the Ortofon cartridges run bright. Anyway enjoy both vinyl and streaming formats. Also your Yamaha has a bass tone you could raise just a little it should help. Enjoy your channel bro.
LOL, I'm tone control phobic. Using the tone controls on the Yama clicks a little relay and introduces nefarious op amps into the signal path - my doc tells me to avoid this due to a rise in blood pressure.
@@stereopolice I found the same issues with bass response i was using an ortofon cartridge as well. Switched to the nagaoka mp150 nice improvement very happy with the bass from it.
I agree. If you buy all parts of the AS 1100 2100, and 3000 as seperates it would cost way more than its retail price...makes it a steel at full retail price. Just heard the Klipsch heritage III...sound awesome. Can wait for you to compare. I hope Thomas and Stereo will do the same...need to know so i can purchase.
Excellent vid - looking forward to your assessment of the new platter - I'm not very predigest about the digital vs vinyl thing, my own experience, which I'd have to guess is like most other listeners, is that high end digital is far less expensive relative to vinyl, so when money is a large factor, I personally think that digital is the way to go - - however - - I have spent a ton, way too much really, and have access to excellent vinyl playback - and yes, as one would expect, if it's in the source, there's plenty of bass along with that more "personal" listening experience "thing" which I cannot explain, and yeah, I know that's part of the debate over the two sources - on the other hand I fully enjoy what I'm running for digital playback too, they do in fact sound very similar, at least to me, so let the debaters debate cause I really don't care what the reasons actually are for the differences. Anyway, thank you for another excellent vid, I fully enjoyed all of it - and the tonearm that your "Pro-Ject" turntable is equipped with looks to be of top shelf, excellent quality - if you might be considering a higher end cartridge, for sure they do sound better but on the other hand it's certainly a diminishing return on money spent deal - no shocker there - thanks again and please carry on.
I just bought the as1200 and it sounds amazing . The phono sounds very good 👍. I have a mani and the Yamaha phono blows it away. If you want something better you will have to spend at least 1 grand . If you ever sell the project phono let me know I need one for my secondary system .
Totally agree, I own a as1100 and bought a mani based on reviews and hated it, I round the gain way you high, highs were bleeding, and there was something missing in the mids, internal phono was much more musical.
It's based out of Seattle but if you like old school 40s 50s 60s music. I highly recommend am 880 kixi. You'd probably have to stream them but they play some great stuff.
I think using a seperate phono stage will help your bass. I have the as1100. I purchased a lounge lcr MKIII phono and the bass improved massively. It took a week or so to really start to thump, but i cant recommend it high enough.
Hi and thanks for your great videos. Just bought the as 1100 and like to ask you if it needs a breaking in period and if so, for how many hours. Keep up the good work!!!
Got another vid coming tonight. Congrats on purchasing a fine and unique and beautiful amplifier. Break in - well, I've not noticed any changes in the amp from day one. It sounded fantastic out of the box, and still does. Enjoy - write back about your experience with the amp after listening for awhile. Cheers ....
I have the same amp. I believe that all electronics need break in time. I've have had this amp for a year now and in my opinion it takes several months to fully break in. It sound nothing like it did when it first came out of the box.
@@olaniyi570 imo break-in is one of the main snake oil pillars when it comes to audio aside from speakers. Transistor electronics are supposed to maintain a constant signal. If capacitors change over time, it means they're degrading. If your amp sounds significantly different after a few months, return it cause there's something wrong with it. There's a video on TH-cam of some guys at Yamaha designing this very amp, and they said they spent only a few days together swapping out parts and capacitors to get the sound they wanted. Are you telling me they would sit and wait for months every time they changed a part around?
The thing I like about vinyl is the sound is a bit livelier. Almost like hearing someone speaking in the room as opposed to over the phone. As you said both can sound good but that's the difference that I've noticed.
Great summary... I’m 100% with you... I enjoy vinyl, but when I listen to sacd or Spotify premium it sounds more muscular and detailed.. I’m glad we can enjoy all.. you have an audio doggie too
Hey stereopolice I wonder if you could look into the next series down of Yamaha integrated amps mainly the A-S 801 and give your opinion what you think ? Has much as I would love the A-S1100 its not in my budget at this time.... Love your videos learned quite a bit.....By the way I have a mint Yamaha R-9 Receiver that I bought back in the 80's....
I have the a s 701 ,its pretty much equal to the a s 801,I'm thinking about upgrade for the a s 1100,can you give us what is the main difference between as801 & as1100? Thanks and like your videos
It sounds as if Yamaha does quite well with their pre amp and phono stage. Not using op-amps makes for good sound. My AX900U has a nice phono stage. I don't think it has an op-amp. My turntable is a Technics SL-1200 MK II that's been modded with Cardas litz tone arm wiring and Cardas litz phono cable. It has a Funk firm acromat for the platter. The Technics was made in 1985 and never used for DJ work. Peace.
Hello there. Could you please help me with a question I have been having for a while now. I have the Yamaha amp you have, the as 1100 that is. My speakers do not specify the impendance. The guy that sold them to me says they are 4 or 6 ohms if I remember correctly. I have them connected to the left and right side of the amp on the top speaker terminals. Have I done it correctly? Your help would be of great appreciation since I worry that I might damage the amp. thanks.
@@RabidNemo RP-8000 totally different construction, materials, concept. Find a place where you can listen to both, really, if possible. I just love the Cornwalls and wouldn't want anything else. I've heard the Klipsch reference series, and they're good, but not in the same league as the Cornwalls. Just my humble opinion.
@@stereopolice I ended up going to dealer and ordered the Cornwall iii's I felt that the A-S1100 deserved them :). Thank you for replying! Your channel has been hugely helpful to me with crafting my dream stereo setup and dedicated audio room.
@@RabidNemo OUTSTANDING. Welcome to the world of owning a piece of audio history ... classic design, and thoroughly modern in other respects. Wait 'till you find that sweet spot, and hear those dynamics, and that wall of sound. The most incredible thing I think you will ever hear. I hope so. Regards ....
I still can't make up my mind on which of the 2 amps to buy. Recent news that surfaced in your videos about these 2 amps is that the 2100 has almost 10.000μF more per channel than the 1100, and that's the only thing for me that i care about in terms of differense between the 2 amps. I have no interest in the headphone connector, i didn't spend my money on my speakers, only to listen to headphones. So all that aside. With the 2 amps identical apart from the increased μF-bank, is it really worth $500 extra to go from 36k to 44k μF ?. How much does that really impact the sound ?.
@@stereopolice Thanks for replying. No i don't have any use for balanced ports, i use regular 2.5mm² Supra speakercables for about $3/meter and a simple $40 RCA 30cm long, just enough. And my speakers don't have balanced ports either so...
I have been finding that most re-releases are crap. my original Rush Moving Pictures sounds killer kicks the shit out of my flac version. I have an Iron Maiden 7th son re-release album that sounds great, but it think they rip shit from digital to vinyl.
I suspect the lack of bass may be due to mastering. When mastering for vinyl, engineers knew the speakers of the time had poor bass response and cut out the low end. As an experiment try a modern album on vinyl or a vinyl remaster and compare it to a high res file.
Stereopolice, how much time do you have on the Ortofon cart? Most don’t settle in until they have a minimum of 50 hours. My AS1000 had, I believe, the same “fully discrete” phono preamp section. It was to my ears, quite bright, tinny and lacked oomph. Substituted a cheap Schiit Mani op-amp phono preamp. Very nice, warm, full range sound with scads of bass response. I switched out my Project phono interconnects with homebrew Belden thin two conductor microphone cable resulting in an improvement in spatial imaging. A couple of further suggestions would be if you wish to invest the time and money: Lounge LCR III phono preamp ($300) or if you INSIST on using your bright sounding Yammy integrated, a Nagaoka PH 110 or 150 cart, or at the very least, any NOS Shure cart. One final thought; either remove the acrylic phono cover (best) or lower it. They can transmit a surprising amount of sound energy, particularly with the close proximity of your Forte III speakers against the wall. If you are unsure of this, play a record on and tap the plinth with your fingernail. Cheers.
Wow, that's a lot of info. I need to digest this in parts. You make some very good points that I need to consider. Yes, I really need to get that turntable away from the speakers, and agreed, the cover must go during playback. The cart has about 50 or fewer hours on it, so maybe that's it. I'm looking into your other suggestions. Thanks much; I always appreciate the advice of others, really ....
stereopolice, it’s the LEAST I can do. You have given your TH-cam viewers a lot of time and have shared a lot of electronic expertise that has helped many.
@@motorradmike BTW, I just moved the turntable to the center of the cabinet, w/the amp to the left. Now, the turntable is half-way between the speakers, not so close anymore. Cheers ....
stereopolice, very good. One of the things I have done is to physically and sonically decouple my TT from my wood stereo cabinet that is between my Tekton DI speakers. Wood cabinets are highly resonant. I had a local kitchen counter granite shop make a slab approximately 1” larger than the the TT plinth to set the TT on. I then bought four of the largest Sangean sorbothane pucks and placed them under the granite slab. My home has a concrete floor (I live in FL) and I was getting a very quiet 60 hz hum that I at first thought was a poor ground. Test by dropping your stylus on a record that is NOT spinning and turn up the volume or listen through headphones. Also tap on the wood stereo cabinet and listen for the thumping or hum. After checking my interconnects and ground I determined the hum was coming through the cabinet via the floor! I did the sorbothane / granite slab thing and voila, silence. Your local granite shop would be happy to accommodate you. They will have all kinds of small scrap pieces of black marble or granite for this purpose. Just have the front and sides polished for appearance. Listening to vinyl can be very rewarding but it DOES take a determined effort but not a lot of money (I’m cheap) to achieve audio nirvana. Then attack the poor Project TT interconnects. Good listening.
audiofiles dont listen to bass they listen to bamboo sticks klicking im using loudness knob on marantz yamahas are dry and clinic hifi purism is like self torture
Wonderful video. I have the A-S 2100 for more than 2 years now. Some time ago I got the Pro-ject Tube box DS2. The built in phono was sou much better, much more musical. My cartridge is Ortofon quintet black. The bass is also greate, my turntable is better than yours, I guess. LUXMAN pd 300 from 1983, 20kg, and the platter is 3kg. Any way, love your videoes :) thanks
First of all you need to listen to the same album on vinyl and hi-rez or cd. Second, several pressing of the same album will sound completely different. Third photo cartridges sound extremely different, some emphasis on highs, others on lows, others on details, etc etc. On average yes, digital files have more bass due to the fact that most records were/are mastered with less bass to prevent the needle from jumping out of the groove. But there are records with gorgeous bass. And another thing. Stop saying that the 1100, 2100 and 3000 are the same. I have the 1000 and although I love it it is no match to the 2100 which again is no match for the 3000. I have listened to all 3. Even if the schematics are similar that doesn't mean it is the same due to different materials used, different capacitors, different resistors, different transistors. Yes, the final transistors are the same, Sanken mosfets, but not the others. What about the bias? Did you know the PCB in the 3000 is custom made to include double the copper used for the 1100 and 2100? That alone will make it sound completely different due to the much lower impedance. Did you know the 3000 uses only n type transistors? 99.999% of solid state amps in the world use pairs, meaning one p-type paired with one n-type. The 1100 is a superb amp, but bettered by it's bigger brethren.
Clearly the 3000 is the best; I wish I had one. However, the 1100, 2100, and 3000 are all similar enough that I can group them together as being similarly exceptional. Thanks for the info or records, I see what you mean.
Vinyl has infinite differences in volume and infinite variations in frequencies. Digital is a reconstruction of numbers. It is an approximation. Hi Rez is a better approximation, but still an approximation. Analog is the complete waveform. Regarding your turntable, a better, heavier turntable will have better bass. More mass keeps the turntable from inserting its own vibrations into the music. A better time harm that can absorb frequencies from the stulus. If the arm does not absorb the frequencies, as they transmit up and down the arm, they can cancel frequencies the aluminum platter will have a different resonant frequency than the acrylic platter, and therefore sound different. I don't like records directly on a platter without a absorbing mat. To me, it sounds like the stylus tracks better with the mat. A better phono preamp will sound better. Changing from the 2M grey to the 2M black will also get better resolution. Yes there are alot if people out there selling snake oil. But some upgrades can help. It's up to your ear.
Analog medium are not the complete wave form. The magnetic particles in a tape or the grooves in a vinyl record simply approximate the full wave form in the same way digital does. Both a vinyl cartridge and DAC, do the same thing, converting the signal from the source back into a true analog signal. The wave forms are essentially redrawn by the cartridge or DAC using the grooves or data as reference. Analog storage does not have a greater resolution of storage than lossless digital. In fact, digital has a higher resolution than even the highest quality vinyl. Plus digital also doesn't have surface noise, so it's better in basically every way
@@michaelmitchell6089 if you want to go there, any recording of any kind is an approximation. 2 channel, 5 channel, 7 channel are all approximations. Nothing beats live, hopefully with no reinforcement. The "resolution" of analog is the density of metallic particles, resolution of the processing and cutting equipment. But they are all complete wave forms, with differing amounts of distortion. Analog does not add breaking up the signal into parts, then reassemble the parts back to a waveform. Past experience in medium, high and ultra high end fidelity digital vs. analog, says analog waveforms always win both to my ears and trained and untrained ears alike. I am talking music only, not hiss or pops.
@J Ked if by "reinforcement" you mean the music gets sent to a digital mixing board and then played back out through the venue's PA system, that's gonna be the majority of large scale live performances lol. and no, magnetic particles are not a complete waveform. The analog wave form is full in both recording methods at first but then the signal gets broken up into magnetic particles or samples for digital bits. The magnetic particles, when looked at through a microscope may more closely resemble an analog wave on the surface, but it's still breaking up the original signal into particles. digital information isn't stored like that. That staircase diagram that's been tossed around for forever is incredibly misleading. A DAC does not simply connect the dots, it draws a completely smooth and full analog wave, essentially tracing over the samples as reference, roughly put. It's just as smooth and "complete" of an analog wave signal as the one coming out of your phono preamp. So when you say the analog waveform wins every time, of course it does, because you're hearing an analog wave form from both sources. The main difference being there are many more samples in digital recordings, than there are magnetic particles in a tape meaning the digital source is going to have a higher resolution than the analog one. Not to mention the increased dynamic range headroom and frequency range that digital recording provides. I don't doubt though that many analog-sourced recordings you hear sound better though. Not because analog sounds better, but because it's likely your analog setup is higher end than your digital one, but also because it's common for vinyls to get better masters than their digital versions. This has nothing to do with the medium itself, but rather record companies not caring about sound quality and just making the digital recording as loud as possible because they can. Given equivalent masters though, through equivalent quality equipment, the digital source will sound better every time, if you could even hear a difference. Placebo I think also plays a large part in this. My dad's an audiophile and I once gave him a blind test between a brand new, 180g vinyl of DSOTM and an original CD printing from the 80s and he couldn't tell a difference. I myself am not usually too impressed with the sound of most vinyl, unless there's no good digital master, but at least they do look cool. Speaking as an audio engineer, I find digital to be a better medium in terms of both practicality and sound quality, but that's just my opinion
@@michaelmitchell6089 Unless you hear symphonies, smaller big band or jazz concerts. Symphonies in aclaimed halls are great places to tune your ears. There is not much that can beat a jazz quartet in an intimate setting like the Red Bar in Grayton Beach Fl. or 1000 other places like it across the country. I was at a local art show where they had a string quartet playing to add ambiance. I can also remember sitting outside a church in NOLA listening to a jazz band. The instrument texture and spatial ambience was amazing. Those simple concerts can be fantastic. Regarding your other comments: this is a discussion forum, not an AES white paper so i am simplifying. As i said, any reproduction form is a representation, so i agree with you there. I understand how digital is done. Data points are stored. Again experience with digital and analog comparions of equal quality equipment within the price range always has analog winning. I have some and have listened to friend's direct to disc records with no magnetic tape in the way so we can keep splitting hairs. In the end, while i enjoy a sprited discussion as much or more than most, i enjoy listening more. I think i'll do that. I suggest you do to. Enjoy and thanks for the discussion!
Currently listening to your A-S1100 through my A-S1200. These are truly special amps
Love your AS1100 videos! We run one at our store. I have the same tt as you and have tried the 2m red, 2m silver. When I swapped the stylus to the 2m blue everything improved especially the bass. I now run a Audio technica VM740ml on the tt. It is fantastic!
Placing a few LEDs with color control under the acrylic plater would be fantastic!
Very much appreciate all your videos and the thought you put into them - My A-S1100 arrives next Thursday :-)
I agreed with your assessment regarding the built in phono preamp in the Yamaha A-S1100; it is indeed very good. I felt that I didn't need an external phono preamp and just got rid of it. No need for extra cables, I just plugged it straight into the amp and listened to it that way.
I love the phono stage in the 1100. I can tell you from experience that a heavier platter doesn't necessarily translate in to more or better bass. I experimented with different turntables and have gotten better bass response from cheaper tables with lighter platters.
I also enjoy vinyl for the aesthetic more so than the sound. I tend to prefer CD. When CD was introduced in the 80's I was on board big time. I was so tired of album noise and CD was such a breath of fresh air. I'll have to check out steaming and see how I feel about it.
Can't beat the cool look of vinyl!
The one thing that bugs me about Klipsch is the time alignment issues between drivers. I would love to take your Cornwallis and build a new box that time aligns the drivers and then create new crossovers to match. That would complete the speaker. We did that with movie theater speakers we developed back in the 90's and the difference in inteligability was amazing.
On my Project turntable changing too an acrylic patter made a nice improvement in sound quality. I also feel that the Ortofon cartridges run bright. Anyway enjoy both vinyl and streaming formats. Also your Yamaha has a bass tone you could raise just a little it should help. Enjoy your channel bro.
LOL, I'm tone control phobic. Using the tone controls on the Yama clicks a little relay and introduces nefarious op amps into the signal path - my doc tells me to avoid this due to a rise in blood pressure.
@@stereopolice I found the same issues with bass response i was using an ortofon cartridge as well. Switched to the nagaoka mp150 nice improvement very happy with the bass from it.
Just saw you went with the Sumiko Blue Point No. 2 nice choice.
I agree. If you buy all parts of the AS 1100 2100, and 3000 as seperates it would cost way more than its retail price...makes it a steel at full retail price.
Just heard the Klipsch heritage III...sound awesome. Can wait for you to compare. I hope Thomas and Stereo will do the same...need to know so i can purchase.
Excellent vid - looking forward to your assessment of the new platter - I'm not very predigest about the digital vs vinyl thing, my own experience, which I'd have to guess is like most other listeners, is that high end digital is far less expensive relative to vinyl, so when money is a large factor, I personally think that digital is the way to go - - however - - I have spent a ton, way too much really, and have access to excellent vinyl playback - and yes, as one would expect, if it's in the source, there's plenty of bass along with that more "personal" listening experience "thing" which I cannot explain, and yeah, I know that's part of the debate over the two sources - on the other hand I fully enjoy what I'm running for digital playback too, they do in fact sound very similar, at least to me, so let the debaters debate cause I really don't care what the reasons actually are for the differences. Anyway, thank you for another excellent vid, I fully enjoyed all of it - and the tonearm that your "Pro-Ject" turntable is equipped with looks to be of top shelf, excellent quality - if you might be considering a higher end cartridge, for sure they do sound better but on the other hand it's certainly a diminishing return on money spent deal - no shocker there - thanks again and please carry on.
I just bought the as1200 and it sounds amazing . The phono sounds very good 👍. I have a mani and the Yamaha phono blows it away. If you want something better you will have to spend at least 1 grand . If you ever sell the project phono let me know I need one for my secondary system .
Totally agree, I own a as1100 and bought a mani based on reviews and hated it, I round the gain way you high, highs were bleeding, and there was something missing in the mids, internal phono was much more musical.
It's based out of Seattle but if you like old school 40s 50s 60s music. I highly recommend am 880 kixi. You'd probably have to stream them but they play some great stuff.
A technics sl1200 would look nice next to the Yamaha receiver.
I think using a seperate phono stage will help your bass. I have the as1100. I purchased a lounge lcr MKIII phono and the bass improved massively. It took a week or so to really start to thump, but i cant recommend it high enough.
Could be. I'm experimenting w/ a new cartridge now, but would certainly try that if it doesn't work. Thanks for the reply.
Hi and thanks for your great videos. Just bought the as 1100 and like to ask you if it needs a breaking in period and if so, for how many hours. Keep up the good work!!!
Got another vid coming tonight. Congrats on purchasing a fine and unique and beautiful amplifier. Break in - well, I've not noticed any changes in the amp from day one. It sounded fantastic out of the box, and still does. Enjoy - write back about your experience with the amp after listening for awhile. Cheers ....
I have the same amp. I believe that all electronics need break in time. I've have had this amp for a year now and in my opinion it takes several months to fully break in. It sound nothing like it did when it first came out of the box.
@@olaniyi570 imo break-in is one of the main snake oil pillars when it comes to audio aside from speakers. Transistor electronics are supposed to maintain a constant signal. If capacitors change over time, it means they're degrading. If your amp sounds significantly different after a few months, return it cause there's something wrong with it. There's a video on TH-cam of some guys at Yamaha designing this very amp, and they said they spent only a few days together swapping out parts and capacitors to get the sound they wanted. Are you telling me they would sit and wait for months every time they changed a part around?
The thing I like about vinyl is the sound is a bit livelier. Almost like hearing someone speaking in the room as opposed to over the phone. As you said both can sound good but that's the difference that I've noticed.
Check out my latest vid with the new cartridge.
great amplifier!
You've still got your transport screws attached to the motor....These are meant to come off to decouple the motor from the chassis.
LOL, I think not.
crutchfield claims the same , they have a review on this table were they tell you to do that
Great summary... I’m 100% with you... I enjoy vinyl, but when I listen to sacd or Spotify premium it sounds more muscular and detailed.. I’m glad we can enjoy all.. you have an audio doggie too
Hey stereopolice I wonder if you could look into the next series down of Yamaha integrated amps mainly the A-S 801 and give your opinion what you think ? Has much as I would love the A-S1100 its not in my budget at this time.... Love your videos learned quite a bit.....By the way I have a mint Yamaha R-9 Receiver that I bought back in the 80's....
I have the a s 701 ,its pretty much equal to the a s 801,I'm thinking about upgrade for the a s 1100,can you give us what is the main difference between as801 & as1100? Thanks and like your videos
@@10MEGAMETAL i made that move and the sound improvment was well worth the switch ,now i have my keeper amp for life
It sounds as if Yamaha does quite well with their pre amp and phono stage. Not using op-amps makes for good sound. My AX900U has a nice phono stage. I don't think it has an op-amp. My turntable is a Technics SL-1200 MK II that's been modded with Cardas litz tone arm wiring and Cardas litz phono cable. It has a Funk firm acromat for the platter. The Technics was made in 1985 and never used for DJ work. Peace.
Sounds nice. What speakers are you using?
Martin Logan Motion 60 XT.
Hello there. Could you please help me with a question I have been having for a while now. I have the Yamaha amp you have, the as 1100 that is. My speakers do not specify the impendance. The guy that sold them to me says they are 4 or 6 ohms if I remember correctly. I have them connected to the left and right side of the amp on the top speaker terminals. Have I done it correctly? Your help would be of great appreciation since I worry that I might damage the amp. thanks.
Where do you get big speakers like those these days? Seems like the only thing they sell are tall skinny ones now
The Klipsch Heritage series - pure classic American plump!
@@stereopolice I'm looking at the Cornwall III but 2k each. Is it worth it? Im might get a pair of RP-8000F's. Are they worth the extra money?
@@RabidNemo RP-8000 totally different construction, materials, concept. Find a place where you can listen to both, really, if possible. I just love the Cornwalls and wouldn't want anything else. I've heard the Klipsch reference series, and they're good, but not in the same league as the Cornwalls. Just my humble opinion.
@@stereopolice I ended up going to dealer and ordered the Cornwall iii's I felt that the A-S1100 deserved them :). Thank you for replying! Your channel has been hugely helpful to me with crafting my dream stereo setup and dedicated audio room.
@@RabidNemo OUTSTANDING. Welcome to the world of owning a piece of audio history ... classic design, and thoroughly modern in other respects. Wait 'till you find that sweet spot, and hear those dynamics, and that wall of sound. The most incredible thing I think you will ever hear. I hope so. Regards ....
Would it be safe to say that the A-S801 has an op amp based phono stage?
Does the AS 1100 need a USA transformer ? Or can you buy with USA power supply thx
I still can't make up my mind on which of the 2 amps to buy. Recent news that surfaced in your videos about these 2 amps is that the 2100 has almost 10.000μF more per channel than the 1100, and that's the only thing for me that i care about in terms of differense between the 2 amps.
I have no interest in the headphone connector, i didn't spend my money on my speakers, only to listen to headphones.
So all that aside. With the 2 amps identical apart from the increased μF-bank, is it really worth $500 extra to go from 36k to 44k μF ?.
How much does that really impact the sound ?.
2100 has a set a balanced inputs and is fully balanced all the way through, if you used a balanced source, it'll be worth it.
@@stereopolice Thanks for replying.
No i don't have any use for balanced ports, i use regular 2.5mm² Supra speakercables for about $3/meter and a simple $40 RCA 30cm long, just enough.
And my speakers don't have balanced ports either so...
I have been finding that most re-releases are crap. my original Rush Moving Pictures sounds killer kicks the shit out of my flac version. I have an Iron Maiden 7th son re-release album that sounds great, but it think they rip shit from digital to vinyl.
I suspect the lack of bass may be due to mastering. When mastering for vinyl, engineers knew the speakers of the time had poor bass response and cut out the low end. As an experiment try a modern album on vinyl or a vinyl remaster and compare it to a high res file.
I plan to do just that. Thanks for the reply.
Stereopolice, how much time do you have on the Ortofon cart? Most don’t settle in until they have a minimum of 50 hours. My AS1000 had, I believe, the same “fully discrete” phono preamp section. It was to my ears, quite bright, tinny and lacked oomph. Substituted a cheap Schiit Mani op-amp phono preamp. Very nice, warm, full range sound with scads of bass response. I switched out my Project phono interconnects with homebrew Belden thin two conductor microphone cable resulting in an improvement in spatial imaging. A couple of further suggestions would be if you wish to invest the time and money: Lounge LCR III phono preamp ($300) or if you INSIST on using your bright sounding Yammy integrated, a Nagaoka PH 110 or 150 cart, or at the very least, any NOS Shure cart. One final thought; either remove the acrylic phono cover (best) or lower it. They can transmit a surprising amount of sound energy, particularly with the close proximity of your Forte III speakers against the wall. If you are unsure of this, play a record on and tap the plinth with your fingernail. Cheers.
Wow, that's a lot of info. I need to digest this in parts. You make some very good points that I need to consider. Yes, I really need to get that turntable away from the speakers, and agreed, the cover must go during playback. The cart has about 50 or fewer hours on it, so maybe that's it. I'm looking into your other suggestions. Thanks much; I always appreciate the advice of others, really ....
stereopolice, it’s the LEAST I can do. You have given your TH-cam viewers a lot of time and have shared a lot of electronic expertise that has helped many.
@@motorradmike BTW, I just moved the turntable to the center of the cabinet, w/the amp to the left. Now, the turntable is half-way between the speakers, not so close anymore. Cheers ....
stereopolice, very good. One of the things I have done is to physically and sonically decouple my TT from my wood stereo cabinet that is between my Tekton DI speakers. Wood cabinets are highly resonant. I had a local kitchen counter granite shop make a slab approximately 1” larger than the the TT plinth to set the TT on. I then bought four of the largest Sangean sorbothane pucks and placed them under the granite slab. My home has a concrete floor (I live in FL) and I was getting a very quiet 60 hz hum that I at first thought was a poor ground. Test by dropping your stylus on a record that is NOT spinning and turn up the volume or listen through headphones. Also tap on the wood stereo cabinet and listen for the thumping or hum. After checking my interconnects and ground I determined the hum was coming through the cabinet via the floor! I did the sorbothane / granite slab thing and voila, silence. Your local granite shop would be happy to accommodate you. They will have all kinds of small scrap pieces of black marble or granite for this purpose. Just have the front and sides polished for appearance. Listening to vinyl can be very rewarding but it DOES take a determined effort but not a lot of money (I’m cheap) to achieve audio nirvana. Then attack the poor Project TT interconnects. Good listening.
Nice video ! 👍
audiofiles dont listen to bass they listen to bamboo sticks klicking im using loudness knob on marantz yamahas are dry and clinic hifi purism is like self torture
Why does it look like your audio room
is wallpapered in reflective material? Basement/garage?
Wonderful video. I have the A-S 2100 for more than 2 years now. Some time ago I got the Pro-ject Tube box DS2. The built in phono was sou much better, much more musical. My cartridge is Ortofon quintet black. The bass is also greate, my turntable is better than yours, I guess. LUXMAN pd 300 from 1983, 20kg, and the platter is 3kg. Any way, love your videoes :) thanks
ok, now I understand the lack of bass,,ortofon 2m silver!:)
First of all you need to listen to the same album on vinyl and hi-rez or cd. Second, several pressing of the same album will sound completely different. Third photo cartridges sound extremely different, some emphasis on highs, others on lows, others on details, etc etc. On average yes, digital files have more bass due to the fact that most records were/are mastered with less bass to prevent the needle from jumping out of the groove. But there are records with gorgeous bass.
And another thing. Stop saying that the 1100, 2100 and 3000 are the same. I have the 1000 and although I love it it is no match to the 2100 which again is no match for the 3000. I have listened to all 3. Even if the schematics are similar that doesn't mean it is the same due to different materials used, different capacitors, different resistors, different transistors. Yes, the final transistors are the same, Sanken mosfets, but not the others. What about the bias? Did you know the PCB in the 3000 is custom made to include double the copper used for the 1100 and 2100? That alone will make it sound completely different due to the much lower impedance. Did you know the 3000 uses only n type transistors? 99.999% of solid state amps in the world use pairs, meaning one p-type paired with one n-type. The 1100 is a superb amp, but bettered by it's bigger brethren.
Clearly the 3000 is the best; I wish I had one. However, the 1100, 2100, and 3000 are all similar enough that I can group them together as being similarly exceptional. Thanks for the info or records, I see what you mean.
Vinyl has infinite differences in volume and infinite variations in frequencies. Digital is a reconstruction of numbers. It is an approximation. Hi Rez is a better approximation, but still an approximation. Analog is the complete waveform. Regarding your turntable, a better, heavier turntable will have better bass. More mass keeps the turntable from inserting its own vibrations into the music. A better time harm that can absorb frequencies from the stulus. If the arm does not absorb the frequencies, as they transmit up and down the arm, they can cancel frequencies the aluminum platter will have a different resonant frequency than the acrylic platter, and therefore sound different. I don't like records directly on a platter without a absorbing mat. To me, it sounds like the stylus tracks better with the mat. A better phono preamp will sound better. Changing from the 2M grey to the 2M black will also get better resolution. Yes there are alot if people out there selling snake oil. But some upgrades can help. It's up to your ear.
Analog medium are not the complete wave form. The magnetic particles in a tape or the grooves in a vinyl record simply approximate the full wave form in the same way digital does. Both a vinyl cartridge and DAC, do the same thing, converting the signal from the source back into a true analog signal. The wave forms are essentially redrawn by the cartridge or DAC using the grooves or data as reference. Analog storage does not have a greater resolution of storage than lossless digital. In fact, digital has a higher resolution than even the highest quality vinyl. Plus digital also doesn't have surface noise, so it's better in basically every way
@@michaelmitchell6089 if you want to go there, any recording of any kind is an approximation. 2 channel, 5 channel, 7 channel are all approximations. Nothing beats live, hopefully with no reinforcement. The "resolution" of analog is the density of metallic particles, resolution of the processing and cutting equipment. But they are all complete wave forms, with differing amounts of distortion. Analog does not add breaking up the signal into parts, then reassemble the parts back to a waveform. Past experience in medium, high and ultra high end fidelity digital vs. analog, says analog waveforms always win both to my ears and trained and untrained ears alike. I am talking music only, not hiss or pops.
@J Ked if by "reinforcement" you mean the music gets sent to a digital mixing board and then played back out through the venue's PA system, that's gonna be the majority of large scale live performances lol. and no, magnetic particles are not a complete waveform. The analog wave form is full in both recording methods at first but then the signal gets broken up into magnetic particles or samples for digital bits. The magnetic particles, when looked at through a microscope may more closely resemble an analog wave on the surface, but it's still breaking up the original signal into particles. digital information isn't stored like that. That staircase diagram that's been tossed around for forever is incredibly misleading. A DAC does not simply connect the dots, it draws a completely smooth and full analog wave, essentially tracing over the samples as reference, roughly put. It's just as smooth and "complete" of an analog wave signal as the one coming out of your phono preamp. So when you say the analog waveform wins every time, of course it does, because you're hearing an analog wave form from both sources. The main difference being there are many more samples in digital recordings, than there are magnetic particles in a tape meaning the digital source is going to have a higher resolution than the analog one. Not to mention the increased dynamic range headroom and frequency range that digital recording provides. I don't doubt though that many analog-sourced recordings you hear sound better though. Not because analog sounds better, but because it's likely your analog setup is higher end than your digital one, but also because it's common for vinyls to get better masters than their digital versions. This has nothing to do with the medium itself, but rather record companies not caring about sound quality and just making the digital recording as loud as possible because they can. Given equivalent masters though, through equivalent quality equipment, the digital source will sound better every time, if you could even hear a difference. Placebo I think also plays a large part in this. My dad's an audiophile and I once gave him a blind test between a brand new, 180g vinyl of DSOTM and an original CD printing from the 80s and he couldn't tell a difference. I myself am not usually too impressed with the sound of most vinyl, unless there's no good digital master, but at least they do look cool. Speaking as an audio engineer, I find digital to be a better medium in terms of both practicality and sound quality, but that's just my opinion
@@michaelmitchell6089 Unless you hear symphonies, smaller big band or jazz concerts. Symphonies in aclaimed halls are great places to tune your ears. There is not much that can beat a jazz quartet in an intimate setting like the Red Bar in Grayton Beach Fl. or 1000 other places like it across the country. I was at a local art show where they had a string quartet playing to add ambiance. I can also remember sitting outside a church in NOLA listening to a jazz band. The instrument texture and spatial ambience was amazing. Those simple concerts can be fantastic. Regarding your other comments: this is a discussion forum, not an AES white paper so i am simplifying. As i said, any reproduction form is a representation, so i agree with you there. I understand how digital is done. Data points are stored. Again experience with digital and analog comparions of equal quality equipment within the price range always has analog winning. I have some and have listened to friend's direct to disc records with no magnetic tape in the way so we can keep splitting hairs. In the end, while i enjoy a sprited discussion as much or more than most, i enjoy listening more. I think i'll do that. I suggest you do to. Enjoy and thanks for the discussion!