One of your BEST videos. As a former music theory major, somehow we missed the part about Civil War drumming being used for battle communication. Brilliant way of making history relevant today. Very cool, indeed!
Drums were used in the military for many centuries before the American Civil war. I don't know why he chose that war to begin that topic. Perhaps he is just using it as a beginning spot for the development of jazz.
You nailed it. Seeing people at the pinnacle of their craft is very attractive. I don't care if it's a girl with 12 Hula Hoops going or a 90 year old man pick up a guitar in a Guitar Center and just kill it. If it's the best, then I am all in.
if you have average musicians BUT A GREAT DRUMMER, the drumming will put the song over the top of excellence!!!!!!,,,,,,,,,if you have exceptional musicians but a below average drummer,the song will be a disaster!!!!!!
Bill Ward (from Black Sabbath) was one of the best SWING drummers out there. Just listen to a song like Fairies Wear Boots. Geezer Butler was also a swing bass player. They were a great duo.
That's the thing about that band it swings. Other heavy bands forgot to swing...or just didn't swing. Into the Void is well... almost funky. Bill freaking Ward.Incredible.
Love those Purdie and Porcaro shuffles. Speaking of swing, one of my favorite rock-era singles of all time is Boz Scaggs' Lowdown, co-written with David Paich. Jeff Porcaro and David Hungate laydown one of the baddest rhythm section grooves of all times. It's got that pulsating R&B backbeat, but it also swings like those early rock drummers with jazz backgrounds. It bubbles, boils, it moves, it's just alive. Fred Tackett on rhythm guitar. The great Louis Shelton on the solo, and Paich of course on keyboards. Boz' vocals just lay back perfectly into that groove pocket. So cool. So bad. It's a perfect recording.
Leandro, you should check out Leland Sklar's channel. He does a video about Jeff and also has other drummers giving their thoughts and memories of Jeff Porcaro.
The Steely Dan behind the music "Making of Aja" is awesome from A to Z, but those Bernard Purdie interviews are particularly great - "you done it, you done hired the hitmaker!"
I love how when walter is trying to explain Bernard's shuffle he's literally caught off guard by it, and unable to really finish his thoughts, because of that hypnotic groove
The purdie shuffle is so iconic! It has an incredible feel to it. Nothing like that will be produced again.. the more we move forward in the music industry. The more electronic things are becoming. More beats are quantised which loses a lot of the swing. Inevitably the feel. Thank you both for sharing this video. It's nice to travel back to a time where Innovators changed music in such a raw manner. Thanks again guys. Peace and love ✌️
You have to dig a little deeper than "trains", in my opinion. New Orleans, Congo Square, The Afro-Caribbean diaspora, Afro-Cuban music, West Africa... Ghana, Senegal, The Gambia, Nigeria, Togo, Benin, etc. Polyrhythmic and syncopated expression of time was in American music rather independent of the influence of the sound of a train. Field hollers and work songs, Scott Joplin and ragtime, Jelly Roll Morton, Buddy Bolden, King Oliver, Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington. The proximity of trains to work sites and the fields and such may have had an influence (or a superficial kind of similarity between the sound of a slow-moving train and a delta blues guitar feel may have led some to draw associations), but the African influence on the American time feel is CERTAIN. That's where it comes from.
Thank you for this comment.There are a lot of nice feels from different eras predating "trains" - that fed into what's condensed at the top of this video. I cld be wrong (sorry Rick!) I think. Hearing this origin story "trains" repeated going forward... maybe is like reading Real Book charts instead of listening, for people beginning.They give you an idea, but really want you to listen. But i think of American dancing and the music with it pre-40's (when to me the in-between (commerciall eight to the bar, two-step feels, pre-tap) are a different continuum. Is the "train" beat idea ties to the stories coming out of RnB, rock n roll, influence of record making, etc. I think the sound in a room isn't always translated to vinyl (!), and what's exciting in recorded music is groove-oriented. These men are good musicians, they've lived it, and their enthusiasm driving their mastery is what I choose to takeaway. Here they provide a gateway, condensed, I think the drummer (and Rick) prob knows more, but situates the takeaways in a way contemporary internet surfers can explore if they want to go deeper. They serve their audience ...apologies, don's mean to offend, not sure how to phrase what I'm trying to imply better. And, unfortunately, african based music is fading in a way, to new african american innovations. A really nice channel and important resource. I do have some "cognitive dissonance" with the framing of the shuffle too, I think if peoples' ears and developmental stage don't draw them toward more depth, it's OK, it takes a while to hear things. Knowing where to look makes a difference. They got it to 12 minutes, with examples, and can follow up if there is interest. Thanks, apologies for any offense and misspeaking due to my ignorance.
Shuffle came from trains? So, there's no 12/8 grooves with a shuffle from before the industrial revolution? I'm not a musicologist, but that sounds highly unlikely to be true. You mention clave, but without exploring the 12/8 clave (African Bembe bell pattern), which is the defining characteristic of the BoDiddly shuffle. I love your videos, thanks for sharing! I'd love to see a deeper dive into the history of different rhythms.
12/8 is very common in western African rhythms (and by extension also Cuban rhythms) but a triplet feel or a 6/8 or 12/8 feel is not exactly the same thing as the shuffle. Of course, if you're used to playing in 12/8 a lot, shuffle is something that comes more naturally to you, but it is quite possible trains played a role. Obviously I don't know all African rhythms or even west African rhythms but the particular shuffle feel is not something you hear in traditional Afro-cuban music so I'd be surprised if you could hear in traditional west African music (I don't know east or south African music at all....except for a little bit of Angolan music)
Simplest way to explain a shuffle in theory terms: an 8th note triplet without the middle 8th note. Or a dotted 1/4 plus an 8th note. But it's all feel, not theory.
Great video! The swing feel is sooo important to drumming. I've played with tons of drummers that don't get it. You ask them to play like Bonham and they just hit harder...they don't let the music breathe and give it a swing feel. The good drummers will know how to do it.
I thought the same thing. Though trotting is a two beat pace... The gaited pace of the apaloosa horse is referred to as the shuffle. I read somewhere that it dates back to 1680's where pueblo indians revolted against the spanish and took their horses.. Makes more sense to me than trains, anyway.
6/8 rhythms arrived in the U.S with West-African culture .. and Jazz originates from a West-African approach to European Classical Music + Caribbean Basin marches - i.e. "second-line" music.. Love the Channel Rick, But this was just inaccurate ! You can hear Rhythms divided into three, if you step into any "Black" church in the U.S.. Really not hard to find accuracy, IF YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO FIND THE ANSWERS... Would LOVE anyone to offer their thoughts, here. Thanks ! p.s Waltzes are FORSURE a Western European import.. but laying down two cycles of 6 into a 4 count bar creates "swing" ; the basis for all shuffles described in the video
Bro, you’re confusing swing feel with the shuffle groove. You think Elvin Jones was playing shuffles with McCoy Tyner on the song Passion Dance? I’m sure you don’t know that song but you should check it out. That will teach you what real swing feel is.
Congo Square in New Orleans on Sunday’s is where African/Caribbean drumming started in the United States because of everything you mentioned. Thank you for helping to clarify 🥁👏⚜️👉🤩
If you want to bring shuffles and "the train beat" to rock drumming I think Bun E. Carlos is a great example. An underrated drummer with that perfect amount of swing and the ability to drive a song using a shuffle like no other.
You guys failed to mention at all the early blues guitarists like Robert Johnson doing shuffles on their guitars like on "Sweet Home Chicago" and many others. And the tradition of early BLUES drummers who played with Muddy Waters and Howlin' Wolf and others. Good vid though.
Another drummer that had one of the most amazing shuffles and grooves in general was Little Feat's Ritchie Hayward. One of the best drummers to ever pick up sticks.
Ritchie was undeniably one of those drummers in the magical “no one else can play that way” fraternity. No one else can play Over The Hills And Far Away, The Crunge or Misty Mountain Hop like Bonham. Only John Bonham can do that. No one else can play Chuck E’s In Love, Late In The Evening or I Can’t Run But like Gadd. Jim Keltner on Memphis In The Meantime, Michael Shrieve on Incident At Neshabur or Love, Devotion and Surrender, Jon Fishman on The Wedge or Llama, Jamie Oldaker on I Shot The Sheriff or The Core, or Ritchie Hayward on Dixie Chicken or Hate To Lose Your Lovin’. And so on...so many unique voices on the drums that no one can duplicate. Oh my, Nigel Olsson from Elton John’s band, or Bob Siebenberg from Supertramp. These guys are untouchable...
It’s a mimic of the sound of rail joints, which no one really hears anymore on commuter or intercity trains because of welded rails. But... jointed rails were 33 foot sections of rail and offset about midway which is the sound that is being mimicked about 25+ MPH.
The "Bo Diddley" is a 3/2 son clave. It is older than trains, it is a fundamental African beat. I respect Mr. Beato's experience and dedication to education greatly, but the rhythmic basis of a large percentage of popular music was "invented" several hundred years ago, on a continent far, far away. This has all been researched by musicologists and it is not disputed. While Mr. Beato's friend may be a fine mixer and drummer, I don't think he presented the origins of the shuffle particularly accurately. All that said, I'm glad that the early origins of music are at least being discussed. Cheers, Alan Tomlinson
I agree, so many famous drum patterns come from old African basic beats, idk why. Like salsa, reggaeton, merengue and many others. And what all have in common is the dance, fresh moving soul. Muy picante el sonido!
Grew up on Stick Control for the Snare Drummer! That and Syncopation were the first two books my teacher put in my hands. Not just for the snare drummer though, great when applied to the drum kit which I think is what Rick's guest is suggesting.
You will never see this comment, Rick, but that was the most most most fabulous thing I've seen in a long while. I don't know a thing about drumming other than I like it. Now, it's a little more available to me as an actual thing to study when I listen--to anything! Thank you a thousand times over. I grew up in Pittsford, NY. So proud to see you here on youtube and know you're from my part of the woods, so to speak. (I'm 3 yrs. older, so we basically share the same longitude and latitude of memory.)
I love shuffles, it’s just a shame so much of the newer music is getting away from it 90’s,and 2000’s to current music you barely hear a shuffle or a waltz anymore.
I've seen a lot of videos on the rossana shuffle, but nobody does the last stroke with the bass drum and the snare at the same time like jeff. If you watch the drummerworld video of jeff porcaro explaining it, you'll see. I would like to add, the guy from the video sounds really cool, great sounding drummer, really nice tecnique! I just wanted to make an observation. Keep up the good work.
RIP Jeff Porcaro. I watched him explain the Rosanna Shuffle SO MANY TIMES! I can... sorta... do it, but man, he was amazing. Luke Tweeted about him a few weeks back. Gone, but not forgotten.
Exactly Guillermo! Also, everyone says (even Jeff) it's the Bo Diddley beat but then anticipate the fourth hit. Even Jeff!!! 🤦🏻♂️ Those five hits on the bass drum are almost the Bo Diddley beat (the 3:2 son clave), except for the fourth hit 🤷🏻♂️
Fusion aka Jazz rock took the shuffle to a whole other level. Starting with Tony Williams, Billy Cobham, Simon Phillips, Cozy Powell and more, who am I missing?
Rick, your videos inspire me! I'm 10 and play guitar, bass, and piano/keyboards and seeing this I want to play drums :) I am learning alto sax for band this year and I think I have perfect pitch! TYSM! ♡♡♡
Awesome. I didn't know shuffle came from the sound of trains. As a drummer myself (not professional) it is pretty interesting to know this fact. Thanks for the video.
So much of classic American music (blues and jazz, plus their successors) is based on the same thing: Calling the train. Slide guitar? Just the train's whistle. Blues shuffle? Train's rhythm. Swung beats? From the train. Hell, most classic harmonica songs are "Call the Train"-style songs.
Little Richard has talked about the sound of trains coming through Macon, Ga as a inspiration...The origins of the rock & roll beats...Sex would be another, of course. There are lots of shuffle beats from super simple to very complex. I enjoyed this video!
Not just trains,,,it's why I included sex..."Beats" Not "beat". I'd say a train is more of a straight rock beat than a shuffle. Another thing also going back long before trains would be how a triplet, that was & maybe still is, used in some African indigenous groups along with possibly chants that would repeat for many hours hypnotically, which I've read is where the triplet ride cymbal pattern in jazz came from. Lota cool rhythms from Africa, of course.
You are reading my mind, this morning I am watching video of Jeff Porcaro explaining the shuffle and boom now i get the notification for this, incredible!
Funny, I had the same experience. I had watched the Porcaroa video ages ago and it popped back into my recommended videos yesterday. I suspect either this video was uploaded a couple days ago for release today and the yt algorithms recognized the clip and set about updating recommendations based on it or Rick watched it recently and that caused the Porcaro video to be pushed back up
I saw a vid the other day and Ringo was being interviewed, asked about his style he said that it was no secret it's just that he's left-handed playing a right-handed kit. In those days old people didn't like youngsters being left-handed, and in Britain, it was common for left-handed people to be "encouraged" to do things right-handed.
Lefties were encouraged in the States, also. My mother believed she was a leftie and had to use her right hand. At age 9, she broke her right arm and immediately, could write and do other things with her left. She and her twin were adopted at age 4 and she came to my gma and gpa using her right. We met her bio mother decades later and she confirmed that Mom was a leftie and they "stopped" her.
*A great breakdown and historical reference as well! One of the reasons that this channel is awesome…a wide range of important aspects of music and musicality! Thank you, Rick and Marcus, for your love of music and the contributions that you make! Take care gentlemen!*
AND.... tell "Marcus Petruska" to start up a youtube channel to continue our musical tutelage. Having multiple sources of musical knowledge will inherently develop our individuality when it comes to whatever we're consuming... Just thinking out loud there... Love what you do @Rick Beato... keep it coming!
It's a happy coincidence that African polyrhythmic drumming matched up with the sounds of a rolling freight train. You have a 3 over 2 beat implied in the shuffle, while a train makes a chunk CHUNK sound as well as TAK tak tak (in addition to high pitched squeals). And you got your blues shuffle.
@@davidwicks9538 yes Thank you I was just thinking this as the video was running .i was told by a drummer that all drum figures are built and fit inside what is known as a twelve eight Clave which originates from Africa. All the rhythms of any combination fit inside this Clave .
I was tapping out an ersatz beat on the steering-wheel and my soon-to-become G.F. said, "Oh, 'Rosanna.' Great song..." Purdue and Porcaro, astonishing talents...
thax's ,,, bro .... But i heard many many years ago ,, somewhere in the deep south ,,where the late great ( ROBERT JOHNSON , the singer'' writer ' and guitarist INVENTER OF THE BLUES ,, HISTORY SAY'S THE SHUFFLE '' ORG, COME FROM WITH ALL DUE RESPECT , BLACK FOLKS DANCEING AROUND THERE PORCH , OR KITCHEN AREA'S ,, WITH FRIEND'S Just having ahh good ol' time . they were SHUFFLE 'IN AROUND ,,,, much love , take Care !
Rick, this video was very informative! Marcus is a total wealth of knowledge and makes it very easy to learn about this stuff. Please have him on your channel more often, as he's a wonderful teacher and speaker.
1 key thing you're missing with the Porcaro half time shuffle is the ghost note right after the back beat on 3, the middle part of the triplet is ghosted often, but also after the back beat. He also does it on Lido Shuffle by Boz. It is the hardest part of making that groove sound like Jeff.
Great video Rick! Another favorite rock drummer with a a heavy swing feel is Ian Paice. Just listen to the fills on The Made in Japan album. Highway Star especially!
That was so fascinating! I loved these explanations--we got such a great history lesson of the evolution of the shuffle and how critical it is to great time, feel, and impact of music. One of your best, Rick.
All us drummers talk about Jeff, Bonzo and Purdie doing the shuffle but not one mentions Floyd Sneed of 3DN doing the shuffle on "Sure as I'm Sitting Here" back in 74 before most of the others mentioned were recorded. Check it out, Floyd was an underrated drummer that should get more credit!
Nice discussion and demonstrations! Thanks! I understand the time constraints of a brief overview like this, but I feel that you overlooked the importance of West African 12/8 feels and the various types of shuffling on the African continent.
There are also historical sources that seem to suggest that the origin of the shuffle is the sound of the chains of a shackled chain-gang walking, working in a field. If you consider the timing of its emergence roughly at the same time as the collapse of Reconstruction with its concomitant rise of the convict-leasing system, it makes sense that the extant music of the black church would merge with the experiences of leased convicts to produce such a rhythm.
Ha...I will let you all in on some secrets. I grew up in Lawrence, Mass. on Portland Street. Right across from us was/is the train tracks. Trains passed us at least 10 times a day with regular intervals, and then a few sporadic (In 1975 we had the American Freedom Train that past by us on it's American Tour. We put Quarters, Nickles and Dimes and Pennies on the tracks so the Train would crush them, we would poke holes in them and wear them as a cool necklace-yeah silly kids I know) .A friend named Eddie Veil, a Drummer for the group Aces and Eights, from the 1970's (had good success in the Boston Area, they did 2 Albums) Well, Eddie was 4 years older then me, would bring his kit over and would help me learn to play with a drummer.....One of his many major Secrets...was....Using the trains as a rhythm setter....Trains make their noise by passing over each track length to the new track etc etc (klink..klink..klink..)...Well depending on the speed of the train, you get different rhythm patterns and can put music to each and every set.......All you need do is go to any video where you can hear the train noise, you will easily understand....And the late night trains had a certain speed that we got use to, and is what got us a great sleep pattern. There was actually an article in the Lawrence Eagle Tribune news paper in the 1970's about this and many of the features of the trains in our city (as Rick would say, "Well there you have it!")..............Great video, Love It!..
staying at my grandparents house in small town Texas, the sound of the trains at night was always comforting. Another sound that had to have an impact on humans connection to rhythm is a horse galloping, or trotting or walking ...really distinct patterns. Also a frog pond at night, it's the mother of all poly-rhythms. cicadas were like an organ screech, the natural world gives a lot of rhythms Back in the big city, it was the concrete segments on streets and freeways. riding a bike on a sidewalk, a washer spinning, dryer tumbling - with the zippers clanging in and out of time.
That was fascinating, and Marcus certainly appears to know his stuff. I particularly liked showing the various "rudiments" where you can see the technical aspects behind great players aren't accidental. Watching him go from slow to rapid with that one beat was terrific. Applies to pretty much every instrument I would think, given how human neuromuscular facilitation and memory work. Reminded me of scales and arpeggios on piano, then things like the Hanon exercises. I have a sister in law who graduated in piano from the Amsterdam Conservatorium and it's really interesting and a privilege watching highly proficient artists practise. Great stuff.
Anyone interested in the shuffle, especially Texas shuffle, need only listen to Frank Beard and Cris Layton. Two masters, though obviously there are others. 👍
Watching Marcus, my first thought is....did this cat March in drum corps, looked it up and yep, marched with The Cadets drum corps 93-94 (killer drumline - TH-cam search Cadets Drumline 1993 or 1994). Not surprised by his chops.. Great vid!!
They keep saying the kick does the “bo diddley" on the Rosanna beat, but if you listen it’s really just accenting the first of all of the triplets, so is it really the bo diddley?
Bonham was the essence of heavy, but did play with that swing. It's what made him an un- usually great rock drummer. The swing makes everything sit just a touch behind the beat, where jazz and blues meet.
I thought this was gonna be boring. Man was I wrong! Loved the History portion of it. The Rosanna beat is one of my favorites. Wish I liked the song that goes with it. :( Also, as far as drummers with swing, don't forget Mitch Mitchell.
I read somewhere sometime That Little Richard took his drummer Charles Connor out to listen to a Steam Locomotive and asked him if he could play the rhythm of the train ...It was like 16 beats or something Anyways they went into the studio and cut 'Keep a Knockin' ... .
I grew up in Castle Rock, CO. When I was 16 I ended up taking drum lessons at a little music shop there. Of ALL the world places this guy could have been, he ended up there, cause he was living with his father in Parker, CO. At the time. His name is Kofi, and his father is Ginger. This guy was and is still phenomenal behind a drum set! He is where I became enamered by "the shuffle". He is all about the rudiments. Mr. Beato, you should try and interview him. He is better than his dad in my opinion, and much, much more saine.
It's all in the subdivision The beat in Fifty Ways subdivides into fours In a shuffle, it breaks down into triplets Also one of the things that makes a shuffle so hard to play, because those triplets aren't exact, it's more of a feel, called swing.
@@lorenzodicapo6305 Thank you for the explanation. I don't play the drums and have never studied music, but Steve Gadd is a god in my book. I've loved the 50 Ways intro since I first heard it as a kid in the 1970s.
The rhythm that slaves made as they toiled in fields was part of it too, similar to what convicts did, Call and response..over and over as they went across the cotton fields. They often kept a beat. Then they applied those beats to the Christian hymns that they were forced to listen to on Sundays..mixed with African chants. .that's how you get to Little Richard. Trains ,too, obviously, and drum corps, but also the sounds of horses trotting,and trolley cars, I heard all this from Dorothy Morrison, who has an African dance troupe called Les Etudiants du Francais and is a wonderful teacher.
Coincedentel timing for the video. Just a day ago i was watching the Jeff Pocaro video about his Rosanna beat. And then a Binard Purdie video And then the Bonham Fool in the Rain isolated drum track. I also listened to the Steely Dan track. But my favorite version of the halftime shuffle is Bonhams. But i like all of them. Its just a cool beat.
I once interviewed Jeff Porcaro, humble guy that he was, he hated his shuffle, had a hard time recording "Black Friday" on Steely Dan's Katy Lied. Jeff really admired Al Jackson's shuffle.
@@Sadowsky46 yeah but fucking purdie isn't from Africa...he talked about listening to them as a kid and how it gave him inspiration for that type of shuffle.
You have to abandon the Quantizer altogether to humanize the Shuffle on the drum machine. The shuffle can be programmed. DJ Premier, Pete Rock, Sam Sever, Kurtis Mantronik, Howie Tee, Hurb "The Love Bug" Azor and Larry Smith mastered the technique.
My son is 11 and is just getting into drums. I signed him up for music class and he is going o be doing percussion. I'm going to have him watch this!!! What would be a good beginners book for for him be? Also since I am a self taught guitar player he is actually picking up on the drum kit. He has a natural ability. Very excited! Thank you for this video!! Cheers!
I think if he can absorb some rudements, it'll help. I was taught economy of motion by using wrists instead of shoulders, palms down and count 1e&a2e&a3e&a4e&a. I wasn't counting and my meter was all over the place. As soon as I count, my meter straightens out.
My advice is keep the drums basic. Too many toys will just hinder him in the beginning. He needs to work on rudiments and keeping a solid rhythm. I would also suggest some lessons. Even some of the best have taken lessons after they've played for a while and learned something new to improve upon.
Great video Rick! I miss watching the live streams, but I seem to have no time at the moment. A drummer is everything in a band. 'Any band is only as good as its drummer' - John Scofield.
Damnit Rick Beato! I'm not even into drums... aaaaand now I want to the drums! Loved the history BTW - that was such an unexpectedly interesting episode!
I'm a guitar player and used to program all my drums until I had some money to buy a drum set and take lessons - thinking I could play the drum parts and my programming them would be awesome. Once I took lessons and started learning the rudiments and ghost notes and the things Marcus showed - I had a new respect for drummers - I'm still a terrible drummer and now I hate programming drums at all. Nothing better then to have a great drummer to play and record with. This video was awesome Rick!
I've spent the better part of 30 years playing shuffles. I hope young drummers today get the opportunity to play them because I don't hear them in new music much.
One of your BEST videos. As a former music theory major, somehow we missed the part about Civil War drumming being used for battle communication. Brilliant way of making history relevant today. Very cool, indeed!
4:55 he mentioned it I believe
Actually drums were the first form of telecommunications. They could signal from one village to the other. That goes back thousands of years.
Drums were used in the military for many centuries before the American Civil war. I don't know why he chose that war to begin that topic. Perhaps he is just using it as a beginning spot for the development of jazz.
@@johnmorrison9758 it is to accommodate the US audience. Their history goes only as far back as that 😉
@@johnmorrison9758 I'm sure it was in the Napoleonic wars.
I have never played a drum kit in my life.
I can't explain why I was so fascinated by this video. Just love to see experts doing their thing, I guess.
You nailed it. Seeing people at the pinnacle of their craft is very attractive. I don't care if it's a girl with 12 Hula Hoops going or a 90 year old man pick up a guitar in a Guitar Center and just kill it. If it's the best, then I am all in.
Pls watch me in 40 years..
I feel the same way my friend
Chris Williams same 😁
Chris Williams: Same here. It's an appreciation of the skills, like watching a good wood-turner or a metal worker restore some rusty old junk.
I tend to forget how incredibly complex and intricate high quality drumming can be.
Eric Arway it really is incredible to watch the truly talented drummer
I play the drums but I am not a drummer
These videos on utube are inspirational
Is he sure it's the sound of a train. It sounded like a galloping horse to me.
It's relatively easy to be a good drummer...yet crazy talent to be an amazing drummer!
if you have average musicians BUT A GREAT DRUMMER, the drumming will put the song over the top of excellence!!!!!!,,,,,,,,,if you have exceptional musicians but a below average drummer,the song will be a disaster!!!!!!
should watch some drum solos. one of my favs is moby dick by bonham
"No machine will replace me until it learns to drink beer."
-Tommy Lee
Lmao 😂
A paraplegic could replace tommy lee
...and grows a big ten inch...
@@hectorsanaifric343 Aw, man. He did groove. I just hated Krewe...
Reminds me of the trad band I used to go and see - the drummer would keep the beat going while supping his Guinness =oD
Bill Ward (from Black Sabbath) was one of the best SWING drummers out there. Just listen to a song like Fairies Wear Boots. Geezer Butler was also a swing bass player. They were a great duo.
That's the thing about that band it swings. Other heavy bands forgot to swing...or just didn't swing. Into the Void is well... almost funky. Bill freaking Ward.Incredible.
Not to bring in "Wicked World". Always thought that would sound dope in a big band arrangement. 8)
I'm glad you mentioned these two homeboys; like me they're both from Birmingham, and are very underrated.
Yeah I always thought of them as a dark sounding jazz rhythm section, them boys was heavy in the pocket!!!
Love those Purdie and Porcaro shuffles.
Speaking of swing, one of my favorite rock-era singles of all time is Boz Scaggs' Lowdown, co-written with David Paich. Jeff Porcaro and David Hungate laydown one of the baddest rhythm section grooves of all times. It's got that pulsating R&B backbeat, but it also swings like those early rock drummers with jazz backgrounds. It bubbles, boils, it moves, it's just alive. Fred Tackett on rhythm guitar. The great Louis Shelton on the solo, and Paich of course on keyboards. Boz' vocals just lay back perfectly into that groove pocket. So cool. So bad.
It's a perfect recording.
Jeff PORCARO, my hero. My big influence (and I'm a bass player). So many great records, he was the best
i came back to life when i seen him on this video jeff was so good doing shuffle groves
Leandro, you should check out Leland Sklar's channel. He does a video about Jeff and also has other drummers giving their thoughts and memories of Jeff Porcaro.
Man, Marcus is an amazing teacher. Very articulate and clear on what he's trying to get across. Have him more often on the channel if you can, Rick!
The Steely Dan behind the music "Making of Aja" is awesome from A to Z, but those Bernard Purdie interviews are particularly great - "you done it, you done hired the hitmaker!"
Check out the trap set podcast. He does a 2 part interview with Bernard
Purdie can shuffle in his sleep. One of the best ever.
Carlock has a great feel on that as well. Not the same, but damn when I saw them live.
I remember hearing a myth that Bernard Purdie dubbed Ringos drumming a couple of times
I love how when walter is trying to explain Bernard's shuffle he's literally caught off guard by it, and unable to really finish his thoughts, because of that hypnotic groove
So glad to see the Bernard getting the recognition he deserves. He always has by drummers but with the internet everyone can know him
DONT WORRY BOUT THEM GHOST NOTES! AINT NOTHING BUT REBOUND!
Ahma 'splain t'yuh
Uh, ain’t nothin but rebound _with control._ A rebound without control sounds like phdfhfhfhfhfhffhf (ie, not good). :)
In one of Jeffs clinics he joked that the ghost notes were nerves!
I love the Bernard Purdie videos.
PURDIE! 👍👍
The purdie shuffle is so iconic! It has an incredible feel to it. Nothing like that will be produced again.. the more we move forward in the music industry. The more electronic things are becoming. More beats are quantised which loses a lot of the swing. Inevitably the feel. Thank you both for sharing this video. It's nice to travel back to a time where Innovators changed music in such a raw manner. Thanks again guys. Peace and love ✌️
You have to dig a little deeper than "trains", in my opinion. New Orleans, Congo Square, The Afro-Caribbean diaspora, Afro-Cuban music, West Africa... Ghana, Senegal, The Gambia, Nigeria, Togo, Benin, etc. Polyrhythmic and syncopated expression of time was in American music rather independent of the influence of the sound of a train. Field hollers and work songs, Scott Joplin and ragtime, Jelly Roll Morton, Buddy Bolden, King Oliver, Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington. The proximity of trains to work sites and the fields and such may have had an influence (or a superficial kind of similarity between the sound of a slow-moving train and a delta blues guitar feel may have led some to draw associations), but the African influence on the American time feel is CERTAIN. That's where it comes from.
Thank you for this comment.There are a lot of nice feels from different eras predating "trains" - that fed into what's condensed at the top of this video. I cld be wrong (sorry Rick!)
I think. Hearing this origin story "trains" repeated going forward... maybe is like reading Real Book charts instead of listening, for people beginning.They give you an idea, but really want you to listen. But i think of American dancing and the music with it pre-40's (when to me the in-between (commerciall eight to the bar, two-step feels, pre-tap) are a different continuum. Is the "train" beat idea ties to the stories coming out of RnB, rock n roll, influence of record making, etc. I think the sound in a room isn't always translated to vinyl (!), and what's exciting in recorded music is groove-oriented.
These men are good musicians, they've lived it, and their enthusiasm driving their mastery is what I choose to takeaway. Here they provide a gateway, condensed, I think the drummer (and Rick) prob knows more, but situates the takeaways in a way contemporary internet surfers can explore if they want to go deeper. They serve their audience
...apologies, don's mean to offend, not sure how to phrase what I'm trying to imply better. And, unfortunately, african based music is fading in a way, to new african american innovations. A really nice channel and important resource.
I do have some "cognitive dissonance" with the framing of the shuffle too, I think if peoples' ears and developmental stage don't draw them toward more depth, it's OK, it takes a while to hear things. Knowing where to look makes a difference. They got it to 12 minutes, with examples, and can follow up if there is interest.
Thanks, apologies for any offense and misspeaking due to my ignorance.
Respect to Mr. Petruska, that's solid drumming! This reminds me of Simon Phillips, very impressive!
Shuffle came from trains? So, there's no 12/8 grooves with a shuffle from before the industrial revolution? I'm not a musicologist, but that sounds highly unlikely to be true. You mention clave, but without exploring the 12/8 clave (African Bembe bell pattern), which is the defining characteristic of the BoDiddly shuffle.
I love your videos, thanks for sharing! I'd love to see a deeper dive into the history of different rhythms.
12/8 is very common in western African rhythms (and by extension also Cuban rhythms) but a triplet feel or a 6/8 or 12/8 feel is not exactly the same thing as the shuffle. Of course, if you're used to playing in 12/8 a lot, shuffle is something that comes more naturally to you, but it is quite possible trains played a role. Obviously I don't know all African rhythms or even west African rhythms but the particular shuffle feel is not something you hear in traditional Afro-cuban music so I'd be surprised if you could hear in traditional west African music (I don't know east or south African music at all....except for a little bit of Angolan music)
Simplest way to explain a shuffle in theory terms: an 8th note triplet without the middle
8th note. Or a dotted 1/4 plus an 8th note. But it's all feel, not theory.
i think what he meant to say was that's how it developed in America, where blues emerged.
Great video! The swing feel is sooo important to drumming. I've played with tons of drummers that don't get it. You ask them to play like Bonham and they just hit harder...they don't let the music breathe and give it a swing feel. The good drummers will know how to do it.
Horses make the same sound when they're trotting. I think that was before trains
I thought the same thing. Though trotting is a two beat pace... The gaited pace of the apaloosa horse is referred to as the shuffle. I read somewhere that it dates back to 1680's where pueblo indians revolted against the spanish and took their horses.. Makes more sense to me than trains, anyway.
@@princeofcupspoc9073 don’t disrespect bonzo like that. He is a god and better than both ringo and moon
@@webstercat so true
How can a video on the shuffle not even mention blues music??
6/8 rhythms arrived in the U.S with West-African culture .. and Jazz originates from a West-African approach to European Classical Music + Caribbean Basin marches - i.e. "second-line" music.. Love the Channel Rick, But this was just inaccurate ! You can hear Rhythms divided into three, if you step into any "Black" church in the U.S.. Really not hard to find accuracy, IF YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO FIND THE ANSWERS...
Would LOVE anyone to offer their thoughts, here. Thanks !
p.s Waltzes are FORSURE a Western European import.. but laying down two cycles of 6 into a 4 count bar creates "swing" ; the basis for all shuffles described in the video
Bro, you’re confusing swing feel with the shuffle groove. You think Elvin Jones was playing shuffles with McCoy Tyner on the song Passion Dance? I’m sure you don’t know that song but you should check it out. That will teach you what real swing feel is.
Congo Square in New Orleans on Sunday’s is where African/Caribbean drumming started in the United States because of everything you mentioned. Thank you for helping to clarify 🥁👏⚜️👉🤩
That thumbnail has my legit 3 favorite and most influential drummers for me! Wish people talked about porcaro and Purdie more, UNDERRATED!!!
If you want to bring shuffles and "the train beat" to rock drumming I think Bun E. Carlos is a great example. An underrated drummer with that perfect amount of swing and the ability to drive a song using a shuffle like no other.
And now we have to put up with Rick Nielsen's kid, who is OK, but not even on the same planet as Bun E. Carlos
Oh man, he's SO good. Overlooked for sure. We wouldn't need drum machines if we would learn to groove.
@@cary67 - Nailed it!
Pretty Purdie: “Don’t worry ‘bout those ghost notes… They ain’t nothin’ but rebounds!”
You guys failed to mention at all the early blues guitarists like Robert Johnson doing shuffles on their guitars like on "Sweet Home Chicago" and many others. And the tradition of early BLUES drummers who played with Muddy Waters and Howlin' Wolf and others. Good vid though.
The 'shuffle' rhythm does Not "come" from imitating a Train or Jeff Pacaro! When they isolate the parts it's obvious where it comes from🥁!!
Um, it’s about drumming
I JUST finished watching an hour long Bernard Purdie video lmao
rick can you do a video about Quincy jones please?
go on netflix theres a gret doc abut Q
Sure guys thanks for pointing me to the sources you mentioned.
"Quincy" ca. 2018. Looks like Rashida is a director. Shout-out to +LèPolisher +TheRealCritique for the 411!
TheRealCritique Clarence Avant, "The Black Godfather" 2019 👍🏽👍🏼👍🏻
Another drummer that had one of the most amazing shuffles and grooves in general was Little Feat's Ritchie Hayward. One of the best drummers to ever pick up sticks.
Ritchie was one of a kind and a great human
He is my drum hero
😮
Little Feat was exactly what I was thinking when I read the vid title.
Thanks for shouting out Ritchie. I could listen and watch him all day. That band is the Dickety Dank Schizel Whizel.
Yes yes yes....
Ritchie was undeniably one of those drummers in the magical “no one else can play that way” fraternity. No one else can play Over The Hills And Far Away, The Crunge or Misty Mountain Hop like Bonham. Only John Bonham can do that. No one else can play Chuck E’s In Love, Late In The Evening or I Can’t Run But like Gadd. Jim Keltner on Memphis In The Meantime, Michael Shrieve on Incident At Neshabur or Love, Devotion and Surrender, Jon Fishman on The Wedge or Llama, Jamie Oldaker on I Shot The Sheriff or The Core, or Ritchie Hayward on Dixie Chicken or Hate To Lose Your Lovin’. And so on...so many unique voices on the drums that no one can duplicate. Oh my, Nigel Olsson from Elton John’s band, or Bob Siebenberg from Supertramp. These guys are untouchable...
1:15 Sounds more like horse clopping as opposed to a train. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 🐴
Good point... could have originated from either/both?
Trains were called the iron horse. Closely connected here.
It’s a mimic of the sound of rail joints, which no one really hears anymore on commuter or intercity trains because of welded rails. But... jointed rails were 33 foot sections of rail and offset about midway which is the sound that is being mimicked about 25+ MPH.
He's got two coconuts and he's banging them together
Purdie shuffle has always been my favorite beat of all time.
The "Bo Diddley" is a 3/2 son clave. It is older than trains, it is a fundamental African beat. I respect Mr. Beato's experience and dedication to education greatly, but the rhythmic basis of a large percentage of popular music was "invented" several hundred years ago, on a continent far, far away. This has all been researched by musicologists and it is not disputed. While Mr. Beato's friend may be a fine mixer and drummer, I don't think he presented the origins of the shuffle particularly accurately.
All that said, I'm glad that the early origins of music are at least being discussed.
Cheers,
Alan Tomlinson
*THANK* *YOU* 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Big truth... Descendants of Europe talking about the origins of nearly anything is generally a red flag :)
I agree, so many famous drum patterns come from old African basic beats, idk why. Like salsa, reggaeton, merengue and many others. And what all have in common is the dance, fresh moving soul. Muy picante el sonido!
Word. Maybe even older than several hundred.
@@weslypype1
Hahahaha, you've never looked into traditional Scottish and Irish music. Touche for the mutual ignorance, my friend.
Grew up on Stick Control for the Snare Drummer! That and Syncopation were the first two books my teacher put in my hands. Not just for the snare drummer though, great when applied to the drum kit which I think is what Rick's guest is suggesting.
And The Jim Chapin books.
Awesome, Awesome, Awesome! I'm not even a drummer and this was great!
This was fantastic. Rick, your channel is quickly becoming my favorite thing on TH-cam.
Agree. It is the first channel I access on YT each day, and if no new content, Rhett Schull is next...👍🎶🎵🎼
You will never see this comment, Rick, but that was the most most most fabulous thing I've seen in a long while. I don't know a thing about drumming other than I like it. Now, it's a little more available to me as an actual thing to study when I listen--to anything! Thank you a thousand times over. I grew up in Pittsford, NY. So proud to see you here on youtube and know you're from my part of the woods, so to speak. (I'm 3 yrs. older, so we basically share the same longitude and latitude of memory.)
The Bo Didley part is the 3 part of the clave, known a "tresillo cubano".
Probe Raum billy Joel, “don’t ask me why” :)
I love shuffles, it’s just a shame so much of the newer music is getting away from it 90’s,and 2000’s to current music you barely hear a shuffle or a waltz anymore.
Videos like this make me wish I could give a thumbs up over & over. This was fascinating. Thank you.😎
I've seen a lot of videos on the rossana shuffle, but nobody does the last stroke with the bass drum and the snare at the same time like jeff. If you watch the drummerworld video of jeff porcaro explaining it, you'll see.
I would like to add, the guy from the video sounds really cool, great sounding drummer, really nice tecnique!
I just wanted to make an observation.
Keep up the good work.
wow, never noticed. thanks for pointing out, it really makes a difference
RIP Jeff Porcaro. I watched him explain the Rosanna Shuffle SO MANY TIMES! I can... sorta... do it, but man, he was amazing.
Luke Tweeted about him a few weeks back. Gone, but not forgotten.
Noticed that as well
guillermo is 100% correct!!!!!
Exactly Guillermo! Also, everyone says (even Jeff) it's the Bo Diddley beat but then anticipate the fourth hit. Even Jeff!!! 🤦🏻♂️ Those five hits on the bass drum are almost the Bo Diddley beat (the 3:2 son clave), except for the fourth hit 🤷🏻♂️
Fusion aka Jazz rock took the shuffle to a whole other level. Starting with Tony Williams, Billy Cobham, Simon Phillips, Cozy Powell and more, who am I missing?
Lenny White
Rick, you might just singlehandedly make music great again! Thank you for educating the younger generation on real music!
Rick, your videos inspire me! I'm 10 and play guitar, bass, and piano/keyboards and seeing this I want to play drums :) I am learning alto sax for band this year and I think I have perfect pitch! TYSM! ♡♡♡
Awesome. I didn't know shuffle came from the sound of trains. As a drummer myself (not professional) it is pretty interesting to know this fact. Thanks for the video.
So much of classic American music (blues and jazz, plus their successors) is based on the same thing: Calling the train. Slide guitar? Just the train's whistle. Blues shuffle? Train's rhythm. Swung beats? From the train. Hell, most classic harmonica songs are "Call the Train"-style songs.
Little Richard has talked about the sound of trains coming through Macon, Ga as a inspiration...The origins of the rock & roll beats...Sex would be another, of course. There are lots of shuffle beats from super simple to very complex. I enjoyed this video!
That's because it DIDN'T.
@@jazzbecausejazz No? What's the origin then? And why does he say that in the video? It seems I'll have to research
Not just trains,,,it's why I included sex..."Beats" Not "beat". I'd say a train is more of a straight rock beat than a shuffle. Another thing also going back long before trains would be how a triplet, that was & maybe still is, used in some African indigenous groups along with possibly chants that would repeat for many hours hypnotically, which I've read is where the triplet ride cymbal pattern in jazz came from. Lota cool rhythms from Africa, of course.
Haven’t even started to watch and I know it’s going to be good. Cheers Rick
You are reading my mind, this morning I am watching video of Jeff Porcaro explaining the shuffle and boom now i get the notification for this, incredible!
That's the TH-cam algorithm for ya
Ibe Kerkhoven yep, Beato put Jeff Pocaro in his video listing.
Saaaaaame
Funny, I had the same experience. I had watched the Porcaroa video ages ago and it popped back into my recommended videos yesterday. I suspect either this video was uploaded a couple days ago for release today and the yt algorithms recognized the clip and set about updating recommendations based on it or Rick watched it recently and that caused the Porcaro video to be pushed back up
I searched for Porcaros video it didnt pop up in my reccomendations
To go farther back, it also sounds like a horse-gallop.
Indeed.
Adamfront it’s all from European marching music. Jazz is from northern irish marching bands.
have a sampled the "Purdie Shuffle" a few times... love triplet rhythms. good stuff man!
I saw a vid the other day and Ringo was being interviewed, asked about his style he said that it was no secret it's just that he's left-handed playing a right-handed kit. In those days old people didn't like youngsters being left-handed, and in Britain, it was common for left-handed people to be "encouraged" to do things right-handed.
And that's why this leftie plays guitar right handed. That, and it's easier to find guitars!
That and Purdie filled in for him in the studio...now fight!
@@NuncNuncNuncNunc 😂
Lefties were encouraged in the States, also. My mother believed she was a leftie and had to use her right hand. At age 9, she broke her right arm and immediately, could write and do other things with her left. She and her twin were adopted at age 4 and she came to my gma and gpa using her right. We met her bio mother decades later and she confirmed that Mom was a leftie and they "stopped" her.
NuncNuncNuncNunc I love Purdie, but he's batshit crazy and he certainly remembers things that never happened... the man's a legend, though...
*A great breakdown and historical reference as well! One of the reasons that this channel is awesome…a wide range of important aspects of music and musicality! Thank you, Rick and Marcus, for your love of music and the contributions that you make! Take care gentlemen!*
Thanks!!!
@@RickBeato You are very welcome! Have a great weekend!
AND.... tell "Marcus Petruska" to start up a youtube channel to continue our musical tutelage. Having multiple sources of musical knowledge will inherently develop our individuality when it comes to whatever we're consuming... Just thinking out loud there... Love what you do @Rick Beato... keep it coming!
It's a happy coincidence that African polyrhythmic drumming matched up with the sounds of a rolling freight train. You have a 3 over 2 beat implied in the shuffle, while a train makes a chunk CHUNK sound as well as TAK tak tak (in addition to high pitched squeals). And you got your blues shuffle.
👏🏿💯👏🏿💯 Correct , the 'shuffle' is an African polyrhythm concept that predates Trains hundreds of years🥁❕
@@davidwicks9538 yes Thank you I was just thinking this as the video was running .i was told by a drummer that all drum figures are built and fit inside what is known as a twelve eight Clave which originates from Africa. All the rhythms of any combination fit inside this Clave .
*THIS* 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I was tapping out an ersatz beat on the steering-wheel and my soon-to-become G.F. said, "Oh, 'Rosanna.' Great song..."
Purdue and Porcaro, astonishing talents...
Doc Will GF?! Marry that woman!
thax's ,,, bro .... But i heard many many years ago ,, somewhere in the deep south ,,where the late great ( ROBERT JOHNSON , the singer'' writer ' and guitarist INVENTER OF THE BLUES ,, HISTORY SAY'S THE SHUFFLE '' ORG, COME FROM WITH ALL DUE RESPECT , BLACK FOLKS DANCEING AROUND THERE PORCH , OR KITCHEN AREA'S ,, WITH FRIEND'S Just having ahh good ol' time . they were SHUFFLE 'IN AROUND ,,,, much love , take Care !
Rick, this video was very informative! Marcus is a total wealth of knowledge and makes it very easy to learn about this stuff. Please have him on your channel more often, as he's a wonderful teacher and speaker.
Ive been playing fool in the rain wrong, I noticed a double stroke ghost note after the high hat opening
so cool
1 key thing you're missing with the Porcaro half time shuffle is the ghost note right after the back beat on 3, the middle part of the triplet is ghosted often, but also after the back beat. He also does it on Lido Shuffle by Boz. It is the hardest part of making that groove sound like Jeff.
One of your best videos. Thanks for emphasizing the importance of the rudiments!
As a smooth jazz player this information is very helpful. Thanks Rick!
Great video Rick! Another favorite rock drummer with a a heavy swing feel is Ian Paice. Just listen to the fills on The Made in Japan album. Highway Star especially!
Probably the most swing of any drummer in the history of rock!
Kids pay attention: You can’t program this stuff. This cat is a great store of knowledge. Also, the Purdie shuffle is magic.
To Eric Anwayˋs comment: .... and how hard it is to pull it off! Great video, Rick. Cheers, Richard from Paris
That was so fascinating! I loved these explanations--we got such a great history lesson of the evolution of the shuffle and how critical it is to great time, feel, and impact of music. One of your best, Rick.
All us drummers talk about Jeff, Bonzo and Purdie doing the shuffle but not one mentions Floyd Sneed of 3DN doing the shuffle on "Sure as I'm Sitting Here" back in 74 before most of the others mentioned were recorded. Check it out, Floyd was an underrated drummer that should get more credit!
Thanks giving "Moony" some mention....🙃
Nice discussion and demonstrations! Thanks!
I understand the time constraints of a brief overview like this, but I feel that you overlooked the importance of West African 12/8 feels and the various types of shuffling on the African continent.
I see John Bonham, I click
There are also historical sources that seem to suggest that the origin of the shuffle is the sound of the chains of a shackled chain-gang walking, working in a field. If you consider the timing of its emergence roughly at the same time as the collapse of Reconstruction with its concomitant rise of the convict-leasing system, it makes sense that the extant music of the black church would merge with the experiences of leased convicts to produce such a rhythm.
Ha...I will let you all in on some secrets. I grew up in Lawrence, Mass. on Portland Street. Right across from us was/is the train tracks. Trains passed us at least 10 times a day with regular intervals, and then a few sporadic (In 1975 we had the American Freedom Train that past by us on it's American Tour. We put Quarters, Nickles and Dimes and Pennies on the tracks so the Train would crush them, we would poke holes in them and wear them as a cool necklace-yeah silly kids I know) .A friend named Eddie Veil, a Drummer for the group Aces and Eights, from the 1970's (had good success in the Boston Area, they did 2 Albums) Well, Eddie was 4 years older then me, would bring his kit over and would help me learn to play with a drummer.....One of his many major Secrets...was....Using the trains as a rhythm setter....Trains make their noise by passing over each track length to the new track etc etc (klink..klink..klink..)...Well depending on the speed of the train, you get different rhythm patterns and can put music to each and every set.......All you need do is go to any video where you can hear the train noise, you will easily understand....And the late night trains had a certain speed that we got use to, and is what got us a great sleep pattern. There was actually an article in the Lawrence Eagle Tribune news paper in the 1970's about this and many of the features of the trains in our city (as Rick would say, "Well there you have it!")..............Great video, Love It!..
staying at my grandparents house in small town Texas, the sound of the trains at night was always comforting. Another sound that had to have an impact on humans connection to rhythm is a horse galloping, or trotting or walking ...really distinct patterns. Also a frog pond at night, it's the mother of all poly-rhythms. cicadas were like an organ screech, the natural world gives a lot of rhythms
Back in the big city, it was the concrete segments on streets and freeways. riding a bike on a sidewalk, a washer spinning, dryer tumbling - with the zippers clanging in and out of time.
That was fascinating, and Marcus certainly appears to know his stuff. I particularly liked showing the various "rudiments" where you can see the technical aspects behind great players aren't accidental. Watching him go from slow to rapid with that one beat was terrific. Applies to pretty much every instrument I would think, given how human neuromuscular facilitation and memory work.
Reminded me of scales and arpeggios on piano, then things like the Hanon exercises. I have a sister in law who graduated in piano from the Amsterdam Conservatorium and it's really interesting and a privilege watching highly proficient artists practise.
Great stuff.
Anyone interested in the shuffle, especially Texas shuffle, need only listen to Frank Beard and Cris Layton. Two masters, though obviously there are others. 👍
Watching Marcus, my first thought is....did this cat March in drum corps, looked it up and yep, marched with The Cadets drum corps 93-94 (killer drumline - TH-cam search Cadets Drumline 1993 or 1994). Not surprised by his chops.. Great vid!!
The Inimitable Ginger Baker refers to It Has - The God Givin' Gift of Time .. .
Shawn fox firth: right on!
They keep saying the kick does the “bo diddley" on the Rosanna beat, but if you listen it’s really just accenting the first of all of the triplets, so is it really the bo diddley?
1:18 Also sounds like a skateboard going across sidewalk blocks, lol!
Horses were clip-clopping along with that same sound before trains came along….
John Bonhams isolated Fool in the Rain track is a sweet shuffle sound to listen to...always makes me smile.
Bonham was the essence of heavy, but did play with that swing. It's what made him an un-
usually great rock drummer. The swing makes everything sit just a touch behind the beat,
where jazz and blues meet.
I want to see all the 80+ thumbs down people play these beats.
I thought this was gonna be boring. Man was I wrong! Loved the History portion of it.
The Rosanna beat is one of my favorites. Wish I liked the song that goes with it. :(
Also, as far as drummers with swing, don't forget Mitch Mitchell.
Congrats on 1 million. Videos with content of this quality this will get you to 2 million very soon.
I read somewhere sometime That Little Richard took his drummer Charles Connor out to listen to a Steam Locomotive and asked him if he could play the rhythm of the train ...It was like 16 beats or something Anyways they went into the studio and cut 'Keep a Knockin' ... .
Hi Rick,
The rosanna shuffle has also a clave in the kickdrum as a foundation beat puls... 😆
I grew up in Castle Rock, CO. When I was 16 I ended up taking drum lessons at a little music shop there. Of ALL the world places this guy could have been, he ended up there, cause he was living with his father in Parker, CO. At the time. His name is Kofi, and his father is Ginger. This guy was and is still phenomenal behind a drum set!
He is where I became enamered by "the shuffle". He is all about the rudiments.
Mr. Beato, you should try and interview him. He is better than his dad in my opinion, and much, much more saine.
Thanks for the Army Drummers reference! Never thought of it that way! I am a member of the West Point Band, which goes back to 1817!
Phenomenal vid Rick. Kudos to Marcus for walking us so crisply through so much rhythmic knowledge in such a short time.
Is Steve Gadd's drum intro in Paul Simon's 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover considered a shuffle groove?
No. Its more of a march rudiment type groove
It's all in the subdivision
The beat in Fifty Ways subdivides into fours
In a shuffle, it breaks down into triplets
Also one of the things that makes a shuffle so hard to play, because those triplets aren't exact, it's more of a feel, called swing.
Crispmom No, it’s just an awesome one of a kind beat.
@@lorenzodicapo6305 Thank you for the explanation. I don't play the drums and have never studied music, but Steve Gadd is a god in my book. I've loved the 50 Ways intro since I first heard it as a kid in the 1970s.
Excellent, great informative video. Marcus is great,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Can we really say for sure that the shuffle beat came from trains?
Purdie's sure did but you can take everything back as far as you want, to civil war, Africa
The rhythm that slaves made as they toiled in fields was part of it too, similar to what convicts did, Call and response..over and over as they went across the cotton fields. They often kept a beat. Then they applied those beats to the Christian hymns that they were forced to listen to on Sundays..mixed with African chants. .that's how you get to Little Richard. Trains ,too, obviously, and drum corps, but also the sounds of horses trotting,and trolley cars, I heard all this from Dorothy Morrison, who has an African dance troupe called Les Etudiants du Francais and is a wonderful teacher.
Coincedentel timing for the video. Just a day ago i was watching the Jeff Pocaro video about his Rosanna beat. And then a Binard Purdie video And then the Bonham Fool in the Rain isolated drum track. I also listened to the Steely Dan track. But my favorite version of the halftime shuffle is Bonhams. But i like all of them. Its just a cool beat.
I once interviewed Jeff Porcaro, humble guy that he was, he hated his shuffle, had a hard time recording "Black Friday" on Steely Dan's Katy Lied. Jeff really admired Al Jackson's shuffle.
Losing the swing feel is when rock records started sounding stiff and dull. Looking at you 1990's rock.
I think it's derived from African rhythms, not trains.
I'll agree, but while considering I thought Europeans brought a drumming tradition to America as well.
@@philt4346 no argument there. But the CHEEZE came from Africa.
There is a video of Bernard explaining the train thing
Africa also has trains 😂🤣
@@Sadowsky46 yeah but fucking purdie isn't from Africa...he talked about listening to them as a kid and how it gave him inspiration for that type of shuffle.
You have to abandon the Quantizer altogether to humanize the Shuffle on the drum machine. The shuffle can be programmed. DJ Premier, Pete Rock, Sam Sever, Kurtis Mantronik, Howie Tee, Hurb "The Love Bug" Azor and Larry Smith mastered the technique.
thomas matthews my man you mentioned some Legends there. Damn Herbie luv bug , Hitman Howie T and Mantronix. RIP LARRY SMITH a true game changer!!!!
My son is 11 and is just getting into drums. I signed him up for music class and he is going o be doing percussion. I'm going to have him watch this!!! What would be a good beginners book for for him be? Also since I am a self taught guitar player he is actually picking up on the drum kit. He has a natural ability. Very excited! Thank you for this video!! Cheers!
I think if he can absorb some rudements, it'll help. I was taught economy of motion by using wrists instead of shoulders, palms down and count 1e&a2e&a3e&a4e&a. I wasn't counting and my meter was all over the place. As soon as I count, my meter straightens out.
@Brian Reading and Syncopation by Frank Briggs. He needs to start off right and learn the fundamentals of rhythm.
My advice is keep the drums basic. Too many toys will just hinder him in the beginning. He needs to work on rudiments and keeping a solid rhythm.
I would also suggest some lessons. Even some of the best have taken lessons after they've played for a while and learned something new to improve upon.
Stone’s Stick Control is THE book. It is discussed in the video...few make it past the first page....
Great video Rick! I miss watching the live streams, but I seem to have no time at the moment. A drummer is everything in a band. 'Any band is only as good as its drummer' - John Scofield.
Awesome to see more Drum work from ye! I hope you could do other grooves such as the Paradiddle and such!
id think the paradiddle is a rudiment and not a groove
however you can have grooves that are based on a paradiddle rhythm, so in that sense, i guess it would make sense
@@trobin Maybe, but it's still fundamental to drumming as a whole
@@trobin ahh indeed
RC32 close to the edge by yes comes to mind when i think of paradiddle grooves, it’s phenomenal drumming by the great bill bruford
Damnit Rick Beato! I'm not even into drums... aaaaand now I want to the drums!
Loved the history BTW - that was such an unexpectedly interesting episode!
I'm a guitar player and used to program all my drums until I had some money to buy a drum set and take lessons - thinking I could play the drum parts and my programming them would be awesome. Once I took lessons and started learning the rudiments and ghost notes and the things Marcus showed - I had a new respect for drummers - I'm still a terrible drummer and now I hate programming drums at all. Nothing better then to have a great drummer to play and record with.
This video was awesome Rick!
How about the "Hot for Teacher" shuffle? :) Eddie's not the only great musician in that family!
Any links to Marcus' YT, IG or FB accounts? Dude is a drum machine! (pun intended)
I've spent the better part of 30 years playing shuffles. I hope young drummers today get the opportunity to play them because I don't hear them in new music much.
‘You can’t program shuffle or swing on a drum machine’......J Dilla: ‘hey Rick, hold my beer’
Bernard Purdie > J Dilla. A person trying to program a machine trying to be human is just that.
Rick, would you consider "Digital Man" by Rush a shuffle grove? If so, is it the only one in their catalog?
I would, except it goes to even 8ths at 2:49 for a short bit, then back to shuffle. They have done other shuffles