I have a tc mint. It just pushed out its first fenestrated leaf. I honestly only bought it because people were saying they never grow past a certain point and would never fenestrate. That intrigued me to see for myself 😂
Very informative and great to hear your opinion! I also love that you're sharing some insights and history of the original plants which I now always look forward to in your videos :)
This is so interesting! Really good to know more about TC as it becomes more and more popular within the aroid community. You hit on some really good points too!
I think it’s very important to note that TC does not make ALL PLANTS readily available, especially with variegation. Yes it has worked for Thai, White Monster, Caramel Marble, LF Aurea…but like you noted, not all variegations are going to be stable enough to replicate in tissue culture! There’s a reason the White Monster is the mint in Tissue Culture and not the Jungle Mint NoID and several others, and those plants will always carry a great deal more value than a TC plant. Successful TC also does not mean a plant is inferior, so thank you for touching on that. White Monster and Caramel Marble are not more likely to revert just because they are TC, people are forgetting that it’s a very high occurrence in non-TC for those as well and it is unfortunate but shouldn’t be surprising that TC kept that same trait from the parent plants. In most, like you said, the main difference for non-TC is just the story that comes with it, not the plant. It is also unfortunate, in the case of the miracle, that some further mutations get blocked into the goal plant and ends up tricking buyers. Informed decisions are always important here, but mis-informing others is also a dangerous thing (especially with those White Monsters and Caramel Marbles). Thank you for touching on both sides of that argument.
@@caseynichols7230 glad you enjoyed and got lots from the video. TC critique is can be very nuanced and it’s important to note both the positives and downfalls of it!
Every issues that you address is a spot-on. I'm wondering if this is your new channel, because I'm pretty sure I've seen your contents before. Maybe you collaborated with Sean from Onlyplants?
@@fahsai_saisadue I was featured on Onlyplants in his Monstera Variety video! 😊 I was inspired to do TH-cam because of him and the demand for good long form Monstera content. I’m glad you enjoyed the video.
A similar discussion can be had for “true” species, especially anthurium. A small fruit fly or insect can totally change the plant (SKG AOS for example). Tissue culture can produce a lot of beautiful plants but sometimes the variegation leads to deformed foliage. If the tc plants were repeatedly subcultured a lot, it can lead to some problems such as poor growth, weaker genes, etc. I just enjoy the plants as they are and seeing all the mutations has made me appreciate the original ones more, especially in their natural habitat.
Totally. It’s fascinating because there are Monstera that are exclusively sought after for their mutated foliage, like Ocean Mint or NSE Contorta for example. Ideas and opinions on beauty are a big part of it as well and I’m interested in how we are deciding what is worth growing and what is considered “inferior”. There are many folks that like the look of what is being sold as the TC Miracle.
Hi Josh, thanks for this video! We don't even have these in NZ but if I was to buy one - I'd be expecting one like you imported. Re TC in general - there'll be a time when plants that were not TC might be getting more expensive with time and market saturated with TC. I did something similar with white monster - didn't fly to see Kunzo-san but searched local collectors and got hands on a cutting ❤ I consider it my crown jewel 😁 All the best Josh 🦄
@@smajliiicka thank you for your response friend. Yes, people already have an idea of what the Miracle is and it is misleading that businesses are selling one that looks so different! I’m glad you got your hands on a White Monster. It is a cool one, though a bit frustrating at times!
@@SiaLaterPlants I do agree with WM, my last 2 leaves are like total opposite to each other, one turned green and the other is green white - still beautiful but ready to chop with next leaf. I do like that TC gives the opportunity to get hands on plants that were thousands of dollars but, as you pointed out as well, it's kinda bad taste selling something that is not true to its origin in appearance.
I think TC favors very diffuse variegation. If you think about it, really sectoral variegation will produce a lot of plants in tissue culture that are completely albo or completely reverted. Over time, I think we will see plants with Thai constellation style diffuse variegation mass produced in TC, and plants with more sectoral variegation produced at a smaller scale through chop and prop. If you look at the variegated plants that are in TC you will notice this trend is already occurring.
@@OfficerFloofles it can be very hard for some chimeric variegation to be passed onto the TC clones, since not every cell is or has the genetics to produce color. That’s why some plants like the Thai Con which has plenty of color are easier to TC than say an Albo or Aurea.
@@SiaLaterPlants people love to use the word "genetics" talking about chimeric variegation. eg "the Thai con doesn't revert, its genetic" etc. I think it leads to a lot of misunderstanding
I'm more into carnivorous plants and orchids but there is absolutely a difference between a division/cutting off the original plant and a TC version of the same plant. I had an original divison and a TC clone of Cattleya warscewiczii 'Frau Melanie Beyrodt', a famous specimen which was heavily used in hybridization back in the day. In terms of overall growth/vigor, as well as the size, shape, number and color of flowers, the division was always head and shoulders above the clone, despite both eventually being huge 25+ growth plants. Both were kept in identical conditions. Does TC always have an adverse effect? No, absolutely not. But when you look at how mass TC propagation is done (basically, taking a sample of the original plant, creating a callus or mass of undifferentiated cells that is divided, put on different agar to induce leaf/root growth, before eventually growing enough to be potted into soil) I feel its pretty probable that in that callus state, where you're basically encouraging incredibly rapid cellular division, very small genetic changes can occur. When your talking about something like variegation, which can be unstable to begin with, any changes would likely be magnified. Aside from possible genetic changes, lingering effects from the hormones/chemicals used in the cloning process can also cause deformed growth (twisted leaves, leggy growth, etc.) and other issues, though plants will eventually grow out of it (I've seen this happen on numerous occasions with TC'ed pitcher plants). TC is great for the casual grower looking for a neat houseplant, but if you're truly a collector, trying to preserve a specific variety, I'd encourage sticking to cuttings that can be traced to the original
@@MikeFallen13 I think so too. Thank you for sharing your experience. I have some familiarity with orchids because that was my original passion (and still is) but I was not super familiar with how cloning affected orchids. I think there is definitely still a need for non-TC plants.
Although I see many Thai con at big box stores now, I find the variegation on them is very poor which is unfortunate. Not great genetics on the mother plant or subcultures too much (I suspect the latter).
@@manueltomatillos3348 Yellow Marilyn is a Large Form Aurea. Originally from Kunzo, it was a select large form aurea that he really liked for the bright and strong color. I have a video on large and small form as well that you can check out to see if your yellow Marilyn is a large form to confirm!
For me miracle and those sport variegated thai constellation tc are completely different and shouldn t be confused. It's obvious to the eyes that both are so different, miracle has this very clean aurea variegation and normal leaves, and on the other hand a deformed, muted, sick, GoG thai constellation. For me i just think that with all the thai constellation tissue culture massive production that we just went through, some of those tcs got a random new sport variegation that producers just labeled without doing proper research and named it miracle because it was the closest looking variety. For me the name 'tricolor thai constellation' is way more suitable for this new variety(?) Also for mint and white monster i would say it's pretty much the same, i don t think there s a lot of difference.. maybe the stability of the variegation.
@@Gabechery56 Me 😆 Just kidding. Since majority on the market right now are sport discoveries that are not produced in large quantity, most people selling the true miracle only have one or two available and they are several thousand each at the moment. Feel free to message me on IG if you are still looking, and I can let you know if I find another
So, just for clarification in regard to the Miracle: The specimens that are generally being sold for a considerably less amount, are all "fakes." But luckily, you've got a genuine Miracle. And I'm assuming you're one of the only avenues through which an interested party (at least here in the U.S.) can purchase said genuine plant. For a considerably higher fee. Naturally. Which is convenient, since you drop money on plants (as we peasant viewers were cringeily reminded numerous times) almost as much as you drop names in this video. Nevermind, pretty sure I'm understanding the situation.
@@jordanschoffstall my goal in making this video is to educate people on what they’re buying and help them make an informed decision, not to boast or be condescending. Many folks potentially buying the TC miracle may have the expectation that it will eventually look like my true plant. I don’t want them to waste their money and be disappointed. The monstera community is very tight knit and much of the time you have to be in the “inner circle” with sellers and collectors to know what is going on. My goal is to eliminate that and make this information available for all people.
OK, so you're comparing a more juvenile form that you got from TC to a more mature plant. I've seen Thai Constellation that people bought before they were TC and took until the plant was producing fenestrated leaves to produce high variegation. I think you need to grow the younger plant out before making that judgement that they "aren't the same". TC is genetically identical to the mother, there is ZERO difference between a TC and a node propagation. The problem is the variegation because it is unstable. You can buy a node prop from what you would consider a "real" Miracle and have it completely revert or just have poor variegation. What you maybe are not aware of about TC (when done in Asia) is that they are graded. Few sellers disclose what grade (A, AA, AAA) TC they purchased, but the price will usually tell you. AAA grade sells for quite a bit more from the producer than AA or A because so few come out AAA (what you might call "real"). Generally, about 5% will be AAA, 65% AA and 20% A (the remaining 10% are considered revert). The AAA will show the best variegation and color on the first 2 leaves, AA will show less variegation, A will have the least variegation. That isn't to say that an A can't become a stellar plant, it just doesn't show it in TC.
@@michaelmccarthy4077 I’m very aware that TC is graded. What you maybe didn’t hear perhaps is that I was not sure if the miracles being sold in the USA were TC of the Thai Miracle or a completely different Thai Constellation. Variegation does not change even with maturity. The variegation on what is being sold as the TC miracles has poorly delineated, green on green color and contorted shape. The Thai Miracle has perfect round leaves and bright yellow variegation that is well defined on the leaf. Those characteristics of the Thai Miracle are consistent even in juvenile plants, so from those traits alone I can still make a comparison to the TC version being sold.
@@michaelmccarthy4077 you may have also not watched enough of the video where I discuss the TC Mint and how there is virtually no difference in the plant in how it acts and appears compared to White Monster. I address all these things in the video.
@@SiaLaterPlants variegation absolutely can change with maturity. It can become either more or less defined or remain unchanged. I invite you to hop over to Tropical Plant Party and look at his Thai Constellation 4/5 years ago and the leaves it is putting out, comparative to the leaves produced in the last year or two. In my own collection, I have a Marble Galaxy PP which has gone from producing mostly pink dots with some pink splotches to nearly half moon pink leaves. My conditions are unchanged, only the maturity of the plant is different.
@ I’m not talking about the amount of variegation. That will always change from leaf to leaf due to the chimeric nature of it. I’m talking about how the variegation manifests on the leaf. I have seen young true miracle propagations in-person with very clearly defined bright variegation. It’s hazy and unclear and different on the “TC” miracle. The perfect round shape is also stable in young miracles whereas this one is crinkled and deformed and that is consistent amongst the TC batch. It is not the same plant and I have done plenty of research on this with sellers overseas.
@@SiaLaterPlantsbut this is a matter of genotype vs phenotype. Many factors affect phenotype in plants. If we are using phenotype as the distinguishing factor, then literally only the original plant qualifies as that plant and any propagations will not be phenotypically identical. They can be indistinguishably similar, but not identical.
Just as much, don’t jump at the first TCs available as they may prove that replication by TC isn’t possible. Yes, Miracle is a mutation found in TC, but are only found as mutations of Thai and still very rare. I think Joshua did a great job highlighting that attempts to TC from a miracle mother are very unsuccessful so far, and may prove not possible. It may be available in the future, but I wouldn’t hold your breath yet.
@@caseynichols7230monstera miracle is just an aurea variegation on a Thai constellation, like it’s possible to TC the aurea monstera the miracle can be TCd too but it needs to be done with the right mother plant with the right variegation. Aurea are not too difficult to TC but they are more challenging than Thai as you can’t mass multiply them otherwise you lose the var, the tissue culture process is almost the same as making stem cutting except that you do it in vitro using hormone to activate growth point and it’s a bit faster. Not all propagation of a miracle would carry the aurea variegation and the same would happen in TC hence making it more difficult, and not necessarily worth it at the time when the plants can sell for a lot, they will be produce eventually and probably labs are working on it but the first step is to make enough nice mother plants in lab and this takes time, I am pretty sure in 6 month to a year they will be available at very high price to start with. Currently it’s just bad double variegation on Thai sold as miracle, simply because those sell at high price and they are available.
What do you guys think? Have you bought any of these TC Monstera? Let us know about your experience or thoughts in the comments!
Love you man! And I have to agree with you, I’ve found more than a handful of these and they’re very clearly not a true miracle.
I got a mint TC. I’ll update ya on how it grows 😊
@@hightunnel2723 yes please!
I have a tc mint. It just pushed out its first fenestrated leaf. I honestly only bought it because people were saying they never grow past a certain point and would never fenestrate. That intrigued me to see for myself 😂
@@lvbaum3 finally! I don’t see many with fenestration!
Each video gets more and more popular. Love to see it man!
@@djcapp5 thank you Donnie 😊😊
Very informative and great to hear your opinion! I also love that you're sharing some insights and history of the original plants which I now always look forward to in your videos :)
@@sinchons thanks for the feedback, I’m glad you’re enjoying the videos! 😊
Loving your videos Josh! Thank you for being so informative and mindful when interpreting differences between plants and points of contention.
This is so interesting! Really good to know more about TC as it becomes more and more popular within the aroid community. You hit on some really good points too!
I think it’s very important to note that TC does not make ALL PLANTS readily available, especially with variegation. Yes it has worked for Thai, White Monster, Caramel Marble, LF Aurea…but like you noted, not all variegations are going to be stable enough to replicate in tissue culture! There’s a reason the White Monster is the mint in Tissue Culture and not the Jungle Mint NoID and several others, and those plants will always carry a great deal more value than a TC plant.
Successful TC also does not mean a plant is inferior, so thank you for touching on that. White Monster and Caramel Marble are not more likely to revert just because they are TC, people are forgetting that it’s a very high occurrence in non-TC for those as well and it is unfortunate but shouldn’t be surprising that TC kept that same trait from the parent plants. In most, like you said, the main difference for non-TC is just the story that comes with it, not the plant. It is also unfortunate, in the case of the miracle, that some further mutations get blocked into the goal plant and ends up tricking buyers. Informed decisions are always important here, but mis-informing others is also a dangerous thing (especially with those White Monsters and Caramel Marbles).
Thank you for touching on both sides of that argument.
@@caseynichols7230 glad you enjoyed and got lots from the video. TC critique is can be very nuanced and it’s important to note both the positives and downfalls of it!
Thanks for addressing this. I see people label things as monstera miracle but it looks so sus and doesn’t look like yours.
Glad you enjoyed, totally agree. Important for buyers to know!
Every issues that you address is a spot-on. I'm wondering if this is your new channel, because I'm pretty sure I've seen your contents before. Maybe you collaborated with Sean from Onlyplants?
@@fahsai_saisadue I was featured on Onlyplants in his Monstera Variety video! 😊 I was inspired to do TH-cam because of him and the demand for good long form Monstera content. I’m glad you enjoyed the video.
A similar discussion can be had for “true” species, especially anthurium. A small fruit fly or insect can totally change the plant (SKG AOS for example).
Tissue culture can produce a lot of beautiful plants but sometimes the variegation leads to deformed foliage. If the tc plants were repeatedly subcultured a lot, it can lead to some problems such as poor growth, weaker genes, etc.
I just enjoy the plants as they are and seeing all the mutations has made me appreciate the original ones more, especially in their natural habitat.
Totally. It’s fascinating because there are Monstera that are exclusively sought after for their mutated foliage, like Ocean Mint or NSE Contorta for example. Ideas and opinions on beauty are a big part of it as well and I’m interested in how we are deciding what is worth growing and what is considered “inferior”. There are many folks that like the look of what is being sold as the TC Miracle.
I appreciate your take on the mint TC. by definition yes they are mint monsteras. So horticulturally they are mints but in botanical terms not so much
Hi Josh, thanks for this video! We don't even have these in NZ but if I was to buy one - I'd be expecting one like you imported.
Re TC in general - there'll be a time when plants that were not TC might be getting more expensive with time and market saturated with TC.
I did something similar with white monster - didn't fly to see Kunzo-san but searched local collectors and got hands on a cutting ❤ I consider it my crown jewel 😁
All the best Josh 🦄
@@smajliiicka thank you for your response friend. Yes, people already have an idea of what the Miracle is and it is misleading that businesses are selling one that looks so different!
I’m glad you got your hands on a White Monster. It is a cool one, though a bit frustrating at times!
@@SiaLaterPlants I do agree with WM, my last 2 leaves are like total opposite to each other, one turned green and the other is green white - still beautiful but ready to chop with next leaf.
I do like that TC gives the opportunity to get hands on plants that were thousands of dollars but, as you pointed out as well, it's kinda bad taste selling something that is not true to its origin in appearance.
I think TC favors very diffuse variegation. If you think about it, really sectoral variegation will produce a lot of plants in tissue culture that are completely albo or completely reverted. Over time, I think we will see plants with Thai constellation style diffuse variegation mass produced in TC, and plants with more sectoral variegation produced at a smaller scale through chop and prop. If you look at the variegated plants that are in TC you will notice this trend is already occurring.
@@OfficerFloofles it can be very hard for some chimeric variegation to be passed onto the TC clones, since not every cell is or has the genetics to produce color. That’s why some plants like the Thai Con which has plenty of color are easier to TC than say an Albo or Aurea.
@@SiaLaterPlantsI agree, edited my comment while you wrote your reply
@@SiaLaterPlants people love to use the word "genetics" talking about chimeric variegation. eg "the Thai con doesn't revert, its genetic" etc. I think it leads to a lot of misunderstanding
I'm more into carnivorous plants and orchids but there is absolutely a difference between a division/cutting off the original plant and a TC version of the same plant.
I had an original divison and a TC clone of Cattleya warscewiczii 'Frau Melanie Beyrodt', a famous specimen which was heavily used in hybridization back in the day. In terms of overall growth/vigor, as well as the size, shape, number and color of flowers, the division was always head and shoulders above the clone, despite both eventually being huge 25+ growth plants. Both were kept in identical conditions.
Does TC always have an adverse effect? No, absolutely not. But when you look at how mass TC propagation is done (basically, taking a sample of the original plant, creating a callus or mass of undifferentiated cells that is divided, put on different agar to induce leaf/root growth, before eventually growing enough to be potted into soil) I feel its pretty probable that in that callus state, where you're basically encouraging incredibly rapid cellular division, very small genetic changes can occur. When your talking about something like variegation, which can be unstable to begin with, any changes would likely be magnified. Aside from possible genetic changes, lingering effects from the hormones/chemicals used in the cloning process can also cause deformed growth (twisted leaves, leggy growth, etc.) and other issues, though plants will eventually grow out of it (I've seen this happen on numerous occasions with TC'ed pitcher plants).
TC is great for the casual grower looking for a neat houseplant, but if you're truly a collector, trying to preserve a specific variety, I'd encourage sticking to cuttings that can be traced to the original
@@MikeFallen13 I think so too. Thank you for sharing your experience. I have some familiarity with orchids because that was my original passion (and still is) but I was not super familiar with how cloning affected orchids. I think there is definitely still a need for non-TC plants.
Well done, Joshua
@@michaelzito7252 thanks Michael
Although I see many Thai con at big box stores now, I find the variegation on them is very poor which is unfortunate. Not great genetics on the mother plant or subcultures too much (I suspect the latter).
@@candied.crabapples I’ve noticed the same. Lower variegation TC batches have become much more common unfortunately.
Same with the pink princess philos. The green on them are so pale!
I had ordered a Monstera Yellow Marlin and 2 Aurea TC. I think I got played with the Marlin. Might just be another Aurea
@@manueltomatillos3348 Yellow Marilyn is a Large Form Aurea. Originally from Kunzo, it was a select large form aurea that he really liked for the bright and strong color.
I have a video on large and small form as well that you can check out to see if your yellow Marilyn is a large form to confirm!
Great video! Thanks for sharing it with us!
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For me miracle and those sport variegated thai constellation tc are completely different and shouldn t be confused.
It's obvious to the eyes that both are so different, miracle has this very clean aurea variegation and normal leaves, and on the other hand a deformed, muted, sick, GoG thai constellation. For me i just think that with all the thai constellation tissue culture massive production that we just went through, some of those tcs got a random new sport variegation that producers just labeled without doing proper research and named it miracle because it was the closest looking variety. For me the name 'tricolor thai constellation' is way more suitable for this new variety(?)
Also for mint and white monster i would say it's pretty much the same, i don t think there s a lot of difference.. maybe the stability of the variegation.
@@zepoissondu4510 I think so too. If they were sold as a tricolor Thai mutation that would be totally fine, it’s not even an issue about price either.
Where do I go to get a real miracle monstera?
@@Gabechery56 Me 😆
Just kidding. Since majority on the market right now are sport discoveries that are not produced in large quantity, most people selling the true miracle only have one or two available and they are several thousand each at the moment.
Feel free to message me on IG if you are still looking, and I can let you know if I find another
And I love plants!!!
Where's my tea..☕😅
It’s here 👀
@SiaLaterPlants 😂 and you do not sound like a maniac! I feel the same way about plants!
@@SiaLaterPlantswe’re gonna need to dive deeper. I’d like a bigger cup of tea lol
@@hightunnel2723 I’ve got a whole kettle brewing!
447 subscribers your a very good TH-camr singed Meow Kitty
So, just for clarification in regard to the Miracle: The specimens that are generally being sold for a considerably less amount, are all "fakes." But luckily, you've got a genuine Miracle. And I'm assuming you're one of the only avenues through which an interested party (at least here in the U.S.) can purchase said genuine plant. For a considerably higher fee. Naturally. Which is convenient, since you drop money on plants (as we peasant viewers were cringeily reminded numerous times) almost as much as you drop names in this video.
Nevermind, pretty sure I'm understanding the situation.
@@jordanschoffstall my goal in making this video is to educate people on what they’re buying and help them make an informed decision, not to boast or be condescending.
Many folks potentially buying the TC miracle may have the expectation that it will eventually look like my true plant. I don’t want them to waste their money and be disappointed.
The monstera community is very tight knit and much of the time you have to be in the “inner circle” with sellers and collectors to know what is going on. My goal is to eliminate that and make this information available for all people.
OK, so you're comparing a more juvenile form that you got from TC to a more mature plant. I've seen Thai Constellation that people bought before they were TC and took until the plant was producing fenestrated leaves to produce high variegation. I think you need to grow the younger plant out before making that judgement that they "aren't the same".
TC is genetically identical to the mother, there is ZERO difference between a TC and a node propagation. The problem is the variegation because it is unstable. You can buy a node prop from what you would consider a "real" Miracle and have it completely revert or just have poor variegation. What you maybe are not aware of about TC (when done in Asia) is that they are graded. Few sellers disclose what grade (A, AA, AAA) TC they purchased, but the price will usually tell you. AAA grade sells for quite a bit more from the producer than AA or A because so few come out AAA (what you might call "real"). Generally, about 5% will be AAA, 65% AA and 20% A (the remaining 10% are considered revert). The AAA will show the best variegation and color on the first 2 leaves, AA will show less variegation, A will have the least variegation. That isn't to say that an A can't become a stellar plant, it just doesn't show it in TC.
@@michaelmccarthy4077 I’m very aware that TC is graded. What you maybe didn’t hear perhaps is that I was not sure if the miracles being sold in the USA were TC of the Thai Miracle or a completely different Thai Constellation.
Variegation does not change even with maturity. The variegation on what is being sold as the TC miracles has poorly delineated, green on green color and contorted shape. The Thai Miracle has perfect round leaves and bright yellow variegation that is well defined on the leaf. Those characteristics of the Thai Miracle are consistent even in juvenile plants, so from those traits alone I can still make a comparison to the TC version being sold.
@@michaelmccarthy4077 you may have also not watched enough of the video where I discuss the TC Mint and how there is virtually no difference in the plant in how it acts and appears compared to White Monster. I address all these things in the video.
@@SiaLaterPlants variegation absolutely can change with maturity. It can become either more or less defined or remain unchanged. I invite you to hop over to Tropical Plant Party and look at his Thai Constellation 4/5 years ago and the leaves it is putting out, comparative to the leaves produced in the last year or two. In my own collection, I have a Marble Galaxy PP which has gone from producing mostly pink dots with some pink splotches to nearly half moon pink leaves. My conditions are unchanged, only the maturity of the plant is different.
@ I’m not talking about the amount of variegation. That will always change from leaf to leaf due to the chimeric nature of it. I’m talking about how the variegation manifests on the leaf.
I have seen young true miracle propagations in-person with very clearly defined bright variegation. It’s hazy and unclear and different on the “TC” miracle. The perfect round shape is also stable in young miracles whereas this one is crinkled and deformed and that is consistent amongst the TC batch. It is not the same plant and I have done plenty of research on this with sellers overseas.
@@SiaLaterPlantsbut this is a matter of genotype vs phenotype. Many factors affect phenotype in plants. If we are using phenotype as the distinguishing factor, then literally only the original plant qualifies as that plant and any propagations will not be phenotypically identical. They can be indistinguishably similar, but not identical.
Miracle = TC, don’t spend a lot of money on plants :)
Just as much, don’t jump at the first TCs available as they may prove that replication by TC isn’t possible. Yes, Miracle is a mutation found in TC, but are only found as mutations of Thai and still very rare. I think Joshua did a great job highlighting that attempts to TC from a miracle mother are very unsuccessful so far, and may prove not possible. It may be available in the future, but I wouldn’t hold your breath yet.
@@caseynichols7230monstera miracle is just an aurea variegation on a Thai constellation, like it’s possible to TC the aurea monstera the miracle can be TCd too but it needs to be done with the right mother plant with the right variegation. Aurea are not too difficult to TC but they are more challenging than Thai as you can’t mass multiply them otherwise you lose the var, the tissue culture process is almost the same as making stem cutting except that you do it in vitro using hormone to activate growth point and it’s a bit faster. Not all propagation of a miracle would carry the aurea variegation and the same would happen in TC hence making it more difficult, and not necessarily worth it at the time when the plants can sell for a lot, they will be produce eventually and probably labs are working on it but the first step is to make enough nice mother plants in lab and this takes time, I am pretty sure in 6 month to a year they will be available at very high price to start with. Currently it’s just bad double variegation on Thai sold as miracle, simply because those sell at high price and they are available.
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@@tavinstaber4507 video just came out!