What is WPC Treatment and Why Do We Use It On Our Engine Builds?

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  • Wonder why we use this mysterious WPC Treatment on so many of our engine builds? Let us explain what WPC is and how it works. It's an inexpensive dose of prevention that can also double the life of your engine!
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  • @spjmrlahey4008
    @spjmrlahey4008 4 ปีที่แล้ว +283

    Mike always looks like he's about to drop the punchline of a dad joke. I could listen to him talk shop all day.

    • @crusTodd
      @crusTodd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He seems like a sincere, good guy to do business with

    • @natesartin2708
      @natesartin2708 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes lol

    • @tomop5603
      @tomop5603 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      For 125 an hour you can

    • @theNIproductions
      @theNIproductions 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@tomop5603 125$ an hour? Daym that's why he is so smiley :D

    • @RichardPetron
      @RichardPetron 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lmao i didn't know what you meant but this until literally the first 3 seconds of the video

  • @littlerhino2006
    @littlerhino2006 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Appreciate the enthusiasm Mr. Kojima, you really are a legend among the industry.

  • @thejayvodlexperience7856
    @thejayvodlexperience7856 4 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Damn near my whole motorcycle engine is WPC treated. This stuff is the real deal, no doubt.

    • @bluewanderer9903
      @bluewanderer9903 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      How long do you have it like that? Any negatives?

    • @FirstLast-tx3yj
      @FirstLast-tx3yj 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you notice any difference in how smooth the engine runs and how fast it accelerates??

    • @thejayvodlexperience7856
      @thejayvodlexperience7856 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bluewanderer9903 2 solid years now, no issues

    • @thejayvodlexperience7856
      @thejayvodlexperience7856 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@FirstLast-tx3yj i did a whole bunch of mods to the engine so thats probably most of the power gains but how fast it starts, i think it helps.... i did it more for longevity vs performance and thats the better way to look at it

    • @FirstLast-tx3yj
      @FirstLast-tx3yj 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thejayvodlexperience7856 did you do it yourself??

  • @martinfalls1023
    @martinfalls1023 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Thank you Mike, this solves an issue with using teflon additive in oils to reduce friction. WPC allows the rings to both improve wear resistance and not lose the slipperiness due to flame burn. Fantastic!!!

  • @TherianMushrooms
    @TherianMushrooms 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Im betting the mechanical friction losses come from the reduced contact surface. This coupled with the increased surface area for oil to dwell in really makes this process a marvel of engineering

  • @anangelshero0410
    @anangelshero0410 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've watched this video a few times and each time I learn something new. Today I learned DLC and WPC work together, and side-coated piston skirts with WPC is less common. I've seen DLC applications for every component of the piston, and love to see it with the WPC treatment done first. How does it, or doesn't it, affect friction, lubricity, and overall wear/performance? Great video - I'm setting a reminder to watch it again in a month.😉😎

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We found that coating doesnt stick to a WPC treated piston that well.

    • @alcyonegunantara7970
      @alcyonegunantara7970 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@motoiq sir, i still had silly question, but u think effective is effective we use ceramic coating on piston crown ( for reducing heat ofc) coz, in my mind if can combo WPC + ceramic coating crown its so overkill

  • @EclipseBox-he1qp
    @EclipseBox-he1qp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    my CP Carrillo rods are WPC treated, just learned that by looking back at my build sheet after this video

  • @SimonTrent8000
    @SimonTrent8000 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Getting my buckets and my kelford cams done for my 7age 20v engine

  • @Sk8n2Enjoi
    @Sk8n2Enjoi ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Your enthusiasm for your work and methods is contagious.

  • @RDGarage
    @RDGarage ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ok, I thought I kinda knew what WPC was all about but now I REALLY know!! Thanks Mike!! So good to meet them irl with you last week at PRI! :)

  • @Boostedm3nace
    @Boostedm3nace 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is one of my favorite channels by far.

  • @MR__JUSTIN
    @MR__JUSTIN 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Awesome video! You covered so many possible uses but didn't mention the fastest spinning thing in a car - a turbo! Have you tried WPC treating turbo internals for faster spool / better transient response etc?

    • @bluewanderer9903
      @bluewanderer9903 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Good thinking.
      Also, wheel bearings ...

    • @KXP70
      @KXP70 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@bluewanderer9903 also, damper rods and tubes

    • @CursedRW
      @CursedRW 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Turbos are already set up for tolerances as low as .00005"

    • @accordv6er
      @accordv6er 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I wonder how this affects oil film /movement of oil across the surfaces. For example, would it reduce the tendency of oil to "stick"?

  • @zthang118
    @zthang118 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I don't know why I find his voice so soothing, even when talking about the most boring shit

  • @bloudermilk
    @bloudermilk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Came to your channel by way of High Performance Academy. Stoked to find another exceptional resource for a nerdy hobbyist like myself! Great content here

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Welcome aboard!

  • @mugen2002
    @mugen2002 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I WPC a lot of parts on my cars. Including shift knobs, shifter lever, valvetrain parts, clutch fork, clutch release bearing and clutch slave cylinder piston/cylinder.

    • @tortron
      @tortron 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      surely you wouldnt want less friction on the shift knob lol

    • @FirstLast-tx3yj
      @FirstLast-tx3yj 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you do it yourself? Because its expensive isnt it?

  • @IdEk5627
    @IdEk5627 4 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    Now i want to build an engine and coat everything with wpc

    • @jamesdills6720
      @jamesdills6720 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Not a coating.. its a micro dimpling surface treatment

    • @IdEk5627
      @IdEk5627 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@jamesdills6720 yea sorry that what i meant

    • @SavageBunny1
      @SavageBunny1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I heard doing the cylinder walls is actually not too good, because the rings never want to break-in.

    • @SylasG
      @SylasG 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Martini is a wino he said in the video that it takes a couple more dyno pulls to seat the rings.

    • @tylerdurden9517
      @tylerdurden9517 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hope you rich

  • @samuraijack3843
    @samuraijack3843 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Sir, ur smile makes the topic a cherry on top of the cake..godspeed

  • @thegreenpickel
    @thegreenpickel 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Don't know how I ended up here but strangely the man makes me feel happy.

  • @Whatsth3ruckus
    @Whatsth3ruckus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Amazing, I remember first seeing a video on WPC treatment years ago and thinking this might have huge implications for engine internals, and now I see it's been done and works. Now I really wonder if this could help make a turbo rotary more durable and powerful.

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It works really well on rotary engines.

    • @Whatsth3ruckus
      @Whatsth3ruckus 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@motoiq Oh no shit! Not too surprised, good to know, thanks!!

    • @sepg5084
      @sepg5084 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@motoiq here's a video of WPC in Japan, which includes DLC. Looks like WPC is micro-shotpeening surfaces with Tungsten.
      th-cam.com/video/-NKbtFEb2dc/w-d-xo.html

    • @thomaschung5623
      @thomaschung5623 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yea, i would figure it will work great in the housing and rotors itself

    • @joshstanton267
      @joshstanton267 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thomaschung5623 apex seals could have huge benefit from this

  • @AzongLee85
    @AzongLee85 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your way of explaining is very deep and thorough. Thanks for this awesome video.

  • @garagefanatic7830
    @garagefanatic7830 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I really appreciate this video as I'll likely be using WPC on my next built VQ37VHR. Keep it up with the great content and insight!

  • @xSc0oByDo0RaCeRx
    @xSc0oByDo0RaCeRx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Got a Sr20det piston and rings, crank and bearing wpc treatment 10 years ago and the motor is still going. Did wish we did the camshaft.

  • @michaeljoiner2503
    @michaeljoiner2503 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm building my 2.0L Alfa Romeo twin-cam Nord engine. Bringing my crank, bearings, oilpump gears, pistons, rings, rods, cylinders, etc to WPC.

  • @shaneswiley
    @shaneswiley 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    For valve springws, does this modify the K in F=Kx? For piston rings does it modify the compliance (I'm not sure the term, but hoop strength (It's basically a spring)? I want to be really clear on this... from your experience, does the overall dimension change? I know you said in the video the tolerance does not change, but surely the nominal value would, right? Finally, please just do more videos. I love them. Best on the web for automotive tech!

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      No it does not change K or do any dimensional change down to tenths which is the best we can measure.

  • @charlesshamseldin9555
    @charlesshamseldin9555 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I love the word 'lubricity'

  • @PERZN4LIFE
    @PERZN4LIFE 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I WPC myself, it's that great!

    • @polipochilegge
      @polipochilegge 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How do you do it?

    • @bluewanderer9903
      @bluewanderer9903 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@polipochilegge to find an answer to that question, use your imagination 😁

  • @DP-nr1hz
    @DP-nr1hz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WPC IS LITERALLY MY FAVOURITE THING

  • @kevinwest3689
    @kevinwest3689 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm sold, I almost wished.I hadn't seen this video. I have 2 wheelbarrows worth of stuff i would like to send. Lol I have.
    Extravagant taste for a poor boy. My LS build is going to miss out. But I will most definitely Be sending my Clutch plates For my open primary shovelhead in the Future. Hum? Axles, lifters, Litter blocks, push rods, springs, rockers,piston. OK Everything but the seat, foot pegs, and handlebars 😏

  • @thehappytexan
    @thehappytexan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I’m extremely curious if this would solve the cam/lifter issues that the hemi and ls engines have. This treatment sounds like it can used to not only possibly solve those issues with cylinder deactivation engines, but also add to the efficiency of the engine as well. Taking a v8 that shuts off 4 cylinders and reducing friction by up to 50% makes low load cruising more economical, while also freeing some power and lowering temps when under full load. Hmmm.

    • @bennyboyy7
      @bennyboyy7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It sucks that the simpler design of ohv single cam engines are naturally going to have extra resistance. Although when you turn them by hand, ohc engines still have about the same resistance. I think that's more in part caused by the chain or belt length. Subarus being a perfect example, I'm not exactly sure what the hemis problem is but I heard it was just poor quality steel being used in combination with cheap lifters. They aren't terrible lifters but they obviously have a typical life span. I'm just guessing cause the predecessor to the hemi, the magnum engines hardly ever had lifter issues. Although I don't know how the cylinder shut down works so that could be the whole reason why but this is just my thought on it

  • @markscott2259
    @markscott2259 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Sure would be cool to see a complete engine before & after coated, torque to turn on the engine stand. Or before & after on the dyno.

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Its pretty expensive to do an engine back to back. We did do my daughters kart engine and it gained 0.2 hp which is pretty good on a 9 hp engine. It cut almost a second off her lap times.

    • @markscott2259
      @markscott2259 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@motoiq Thanks for the reply! I understand its expensive to rebuild motors, but if a known engine is going to be rebuilt it seems it would be relatively easy to remove the spark plugs on the engine in question & do a before & after by use of a torque wrench. I have done something similar with engines before & after with synthetics. Anyways, always learning from the good videos you produce.

    • @calebdavies526
      @calebdavies526 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@motoiqdid you cryo treat the kart engine as well?

  • @milenkogt
    @milenkogt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You mentioned WPC treating titanium valve stems, has that eliminated any galling and cut down the wear within the guides? I really want to use the WPC on my Gen 3 hemi on the springs, valves, especially the rocker shafts. I wish more people would document the use of WPC. I've only utilized it on a VK56DE oil pump housing and gears.
    Would really like to try it on my triumph 675 triple engine and trans.

  • @SoulEraser000
    @SoulEraser000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love listening to this guy talk

  • @watchere
    @watchere 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    real question always is how much does it cost? And if WPC makes the friction lower, wouldn't putting it on clutch packs just cause it to slip more and engage less?

    • @SavageBunny1
      @SavageBunny1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      For an inline 6 crankshaft is $310, for each shell of the rod bearing or crank its $12, each cylinder bore is $100, very reasonable prices, Also it increased lubricity which in hand is good for clutch packs, that's why they have friction modifiers for the oil.

    • @dinukap4
      @dinukap4 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      100$ a cylinder? Geez

    • @HaloWolf102
      @HaloWolf102 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@SavageBunny1 Only $310? That is nothing compared to repairing or replacing an entire engine. That little money to double my engine life is pennies.

  • @ImJustMe555
    @ImJustMe555 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    What are your thoughts on WPC treating oil pump internals?

    • @joseacuna3239
      @joseacuna3239 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      He already did a video on an Honda k series and he wpc the internals for less friction and less heat.

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@joseacuna3239 and to help reduce the chance that the gears might break.

  • @SavageBunny1
    @SavageBunny1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I WPC treated my BMW S54 crank, rod bearings and main bearings, VANOS oil pump and oil pump itself, everyone that drives my car that owns a real M3, notices that my car is a lot more responsive.

    • @ALW96
      @ALW96 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Very smart. Especially on the oil pump. How much did everything cost you

    • @SavageBunny1
      @SavageBunny1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@ALW96 the crank was $310, everything else added up to another $200 maybe, very cost effective.

    • @jt-iu3kv
      @jt-iu3kv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SavageBunny1 where did you get these services done?

    • @mr.j.martinez
      @mr.j.martinez 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@jt-iu3kv CTP CRYOGENICS in California

  • @stevemcrichards8768
    @stevemcrichards8768 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting surface substrate refinishing methodologies. I like it.

  • @adandredestefano
    @adandredestefano 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm wondering if the WPC treatment would be good for the friction surfaces in an AR-15. Maybe even a muzzle treatment to increase velocity and consistency. I already know that you can get a DLC bolt carrier group for them. I'm wondering if the combination of the tube would go really good into increasing reliability and velocity / accuracy.

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If it is a phosphated bolt yes for sure. Haven't tried it on nitrided, or chrome yet.

    • @adandredestefano
      @adandredestefano 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@motoiq Excellent! I'm wondering if the process would be able to be done inside the bore of a barrel. I understand the concept of how it works but I don't know much about the process. I don't know if you could get the equipment inside such a small hole or how it would affect the rifling. I know a lot of people including myself run stainless barrels in their precision competition guns. That could be a game changer if it's possible. By the way, thank you for your response. I really appreciate it and did not expect it.

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      its hard to get the medium to hit at the right angles inside the bore. I tried it on a glock with a stainless barrel and it only got the ramp and chamber. That gun is easy to clean! From what I understand, some military units use the process on their SAW's due to a friend of mine that does special stuff, he says the cyclic rate and reliability go way up, especially on the M249spw

    • @adandredestefano
      @adandredestefano 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@motoiq I had a feeling that might be the case. Maybe as time and technology progress the ability to perform a treatment inside the bore may become a possibility at some point. Regardless, it's an excellent technology that should get more applications than it does.

  • @St0RM33
    @St0RM33 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    WPC works on the driver, engine builder, body builder, tire guy, etc!

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      LOL!

  • @FiteTheGoodFight
    @FiteTheGoodFight 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would this treatment improve the efficiency of positive displacement supercharger rotors?

  • @eliasmelendez1271
    @eliasmelendez1271 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you!! Now I gotta rip apart my f20b to do all of this lol but seriously thank you I'm definitely doing this to my f20b and my ys1 Gs-R transmission.

  • @trevorcannavo
    @trevorcannavo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have heard that (proper) Cryo treatment combined with WPC treatment can even further extend the durability of any stressed prone parts. Unfortunately most of those claims have come from vendors so I would love to hear what your personal experience has found on the matter. So, what do you think of cry treatment?(with or without WPC)

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      We find that the biggest increases are in wear resistance. Usually at least 50% better. Cryo helps abrasion resistance to some degree and helps in fatigue strength by at least 50%. It's not going to make crappy metal or an underdesigned part amazing but it will make it last 2x longer before it breaks.

  • @MrChristianbowman82
    @MrChristianbowman82 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    MR Miyagi of Engines boys!

  • @batman607
    @batman607 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man, You the man, Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I’ve always been a piston head 😵‍💫. I’m just starting with (Old School SBC racer😵‍💫) LS engines 1 LSA and just finished a LS 9. One question if you don’t mind. What is the red coating that GM puts on the bearings? The bearings I took out of both engines look brand new .

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's an anti scuff coating for initial startup.

    • @batman607
      @batman607 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@motoiq must be good stuff the lsa had 16,000 miles on it and the bearings and the crank looked brand new. Thank you for the response. Batman 😎

  • @bradcarpenter1881
    @bradcarpenter1881 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I want to WPC everything now!

  • @stompinmcallister1312
    @stompinmcallister1312 ปีที่แล้ว

    Followers used was different from one another so I say not a valid test take two brand new ones then do it . Or if you want to stick with used ones use the same one . There is a cone built to the top surface and one was warn so it was flat would not spin as good. Other one still had the cone shape on the bottom that helps it spin .

  • @boostdr33
    @boostdr33 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Change in surface hardness aside.
    These tests all look impressive however I wonder how different these tests would perform when oil is introduced as in actual operating conditions.

    • @tomaskusnir2374
      @tomaskusnir2374 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think the main benefit of this treatment is when oil is not present, or atleast not enough of it to avoid some friction. It looks like creates microstructure finish that retains a coating of oil that surfaces glide on.

    • @joemanthei3251
      @joemanthei3251 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s what I’m thinking, a lot of these rotating assembly parts have a thin film of oil between the contact. Lol I’m sure this helps A little but depending on how expensive it is, is it worth it? Who knows

  • @Twobarpsi
    @Twobarpsi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent advice, backed up by real world testing!

  • @josh9847
    @josh9847 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Seems crazy that you could make a surface more dense through shot peening, without effecting the tolerances at all.
    Do you think that is down to the dry lubricant being left impregnated in the surface of the parts? I guess it could also be that the surface change is so small it doesn’t effect clearances 🤔 either way seems like a great service! Shame it’s doesn’t appear to be available across the pond.

    • @SylasG
      @SylasG 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      WPC has less effect on surface dimensions than shot peen.

    • @iancooll12
      @iancooll12 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SylasG I find WPC coatings excellent, I lighten by grinding all my parts on my Norton race engines, just plain shot peening by a knowledgable source can strengthen an undisturbed steel conrod by up to 20%. The key is "a knowledgable source" I use a company that peens the root radius of Bell helicopter variable pitch Blades. I wpc my aluminum parts and Babbit shells minimum excellent. This was F1 Tech only.

  • @jacksonedward7245
    @jacksonedward7245 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great vid!
    Would this treatment be overkill for a street engine?

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We like it especially for daily drivers that do a lot of miles.

  • @Thumper68
    @Thumper68 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The pebble surface makes since that things spin longer on top of it compared to glass smooth surface since it’s less area of contact which would reduce overall friction.

  • @luisalmeida6524
    @luisalmeida6524 หลายเดือนก่อน

    is there any sort of testing that anyone can share that proof this works? Like I want to see a turbo spool faster with a before an after test or anything that tells me it is worth doing it because of x

  • @ryandeweese363
    @ryandeweese363 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome demonstration of how well the wpc coating works!! Top notch for sure!! Hey just out of curiousity... You need a shop hand by any chance lol?

  • @saik0uguy
    @saik0uguy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Wish there was a place in Australia for WPC :(

    • @JH-jo9wt
      @JH-jo9wt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Japan / California
      Japan would be pretty cheap for an Aussie esp if u lived up north

  • @erikwahlstrom7826
    @erikwahlstrom7826 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video, can you do a video of WPC vs. Teflon coating? Thanks.

  • @sgtlazar
    @sgtlazar 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was building a motor for my Mazdaspeed 6 and had the Pistons, rings, and bearings WPC. I sold the build before I got to finish it.
    My question is, have you had similar builds that you have had one with several components WPC treated, and the other without any WPC and could quantify any performance increase? Like has the WPC one had higher output due to the reduction in friction?

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      On a car, it is super expensive to do an A to B test on WPC only but I have done it on a go-kart engine, on my daughter 50cc two-stroke Kart, it gave .2 more hp on a 3 hp motor and took a second of her lap time on a 1.03-second track. When she moved to 100cc karts it gained .3 hp on a 9 hp engine and gave her just under a second improvement on a 37 second a lap track. These are spec motors but the WPC isn't detectable and pass tech. For cars, the engine life is greatly increased, that's for sure. Also when a new engine is being turned by hand while being assembled, the friction is way less and the engine spins a lot easier.

    • @sgtlazar
      @sgtlazar 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@motoiq wow! That's awesome. Thank you for the reply!

  • @danielfietkau733
    @danielfietkau733 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great, WPC also stands for Wood-Polymer-Composites.
    What does WPC mean in metal treatment?
    I try to find a service like that in Germany.

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  ปีที่แล้ว

      Something weird in japlish.

    • @danielfietkau733
      @danielfietkau733 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@motoiq noted 😄

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I finally found it, it stands for Wonder Process Craft. www.fujimfg.co.jp/english/wpc.html toyoseiko.co.jp/en/product/wpc/

    • @danielfietkau733
      @danielfietkau733 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@motoiq My apologies. I really thought you were joking and just didn't want to tell me😆 Thank you a lot

  • @C-M-E
    @C-M-E 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What does WPC recommend for surface prep? Depending on that, I could tell you what's in it. If it's heat vs acid etch for instance; moly is an acid etch if memory serves, and if there's a heat chaser, ptfe or graphite is involved. All of those are friction modifiers, though moly has that dull silvery grey surface appearance.

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Whatever the final surface finish for the end use is.

    • @C-M-E
      @C-M-E 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@motoiq Interesting. I misunderstood and thought this was like a send-out service, but if I understand correctly now, this is like a product that is forcefully applied like a reverse sandblast or kind of like an anodizing treatment (in terms of surface transfer) of sorts? Initially I had in my mind that is was being done as an industrial hot tank process where the product was surface bonding chemically.

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's impingement with super small ceramic spheres and dry film lubricant.

    • @C-M-E
      @C-M-E 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@motoiq I very much appreciate your having expanded my wheelhouse to the product. I'm occasionally guilty of getting to that point where you try a lot of things but stick with what you know works or make one yourself. Outside of nitriding which isn't really what I'd consider long-term durable on hard-wearing surfaces but better than nothing, Cerakoting or products like it were something I'd turn to on occasion if it wasn't like a bearing or journal surface. More often than not, I'm more concerned (in my field anyway) about thermal protection than metal-to-metal contact and fell back on oil additives for the heavy lifting with asperations to finding something better one day. 😉

  • @J_rostro
    @J_rostro 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for sharing your knowledge sir 🙏🏽

  • @vevenaneathna
    @vevenaneathna ปีที่แล้ว

    hmm if you get more strength then i would think the important parts could be made a lot lighter with less material. that rod pin is a good example. maybe a good idea to make it smaller if its so strong already. I wonder with the new things coming out like with porsche trying to 3d print pistons, combine the additive minimal design/hollow pistons with a wpc process, and see how light the inertia sensitive parts of an engine could get down to. would like to see higher revs even in commuter econo box cars with variable valve timing. im sure GM will still find a way to engineer things to break 1000 miles after warenty lol

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  ปีที่แล้ว

      your car first

  • @DanielOrtegoUSA
    @DanielOrtegoUSA 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice to know that he's an authorized dealer for this product/service. I'm making arrangements to replace my LS3 with a Dart LS 7.0, and I may choose MotoIQ for the build. Unfortunately, my preferred builder would probably tell me this stuff isn't necessary. I'm sure many of us know that engine builders are set in their ways and do not like to deviate from what they normally do.

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It isnt necessary but it helps for lower friction and longer life, the customer has to decide if they want this.

  • @eglover92
    @eglover92 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    He looks like he always about 1 second away from roasting you.

    • @Polemicist_
      @Polemicist_ 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂😂😅

  • @bentagliarini7918
    @bentagliarini7918 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So When my and my sons mx bikes need new piston i can send it off to you for wcp treatment and it will fit straight back in cylinder ok on 2000 cr250 and 05 kx85

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes it will, doing the rings and the cylinder might not be a bad idea too. Did it on my daughters kart, took .8 seconds off on a 50 second lap.

  • @Sympatiko85
    @Sympatiko85 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i went back to review this video as im planning my next build. we had my cousins crank shaft nitrated! would WPC be better for our next build? M271😁

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      you can WPC a nitrided surface, we do it all the time.

  • @MilushevGeorgi
    @MilushevGeorgi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Don’t wpc you disk brakes, great video

  • @Moonbeam54
    @Moonbeam54 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you add WPC treatment ? I watched videos of people ceramic coating but I can't see any video on : how WPC is achieved on engine components...
    Probably you could answer me?

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Watch the video

  • @donaldspeck9212
    @donaldspeck9212 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Who, where and cost?

  • @sk33t3r33
    @sk33t3r33 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’d like to see you build two identical short blocks - one with WPC and one without WPC treatment. Then turn the crank and measure the resistance.

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      if you pay for it we will gladly do it and any other tests you can pay for!

    • @Rob-vv5yn
      @Rob-vv5yn วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@motoiq LOl I was thinking exactly the same

  • @stevehammel2939
    @stevehammel2939 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does WPC help on wet clutches for drag racing?

  • @alcyonegunantara7970
    @alcyonegunantara7970 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello sir, i had simple question, can we combine wpc treatment with ceramic coating on top ( crown) piston

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The ceramic wont stick to the WPC

    • @alcyonegunantara7970
      @alcyonegunantara7970 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@motoiq ok, thk u for ur answer sir

  • @ivogiev
    @ivogiev 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid, thank you. Maybe a stupid question, but didn't see it commented below, nor in the vid. Is this WPC suitable for brake rotors? Obviously reduced friction is a bad idea there, but if this could be overcome with longer bed in process similar to piston rings, maybe after that is not a bad thing to have for increased rotor life?

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, but cryo treating helps.

    • @404nobrakes
      @404nobrakes ปีที่แล้ว

      since WPC only affects the surface, and rotor wear is measured in mm, not microns, it'd probably go away pretty quickly. You'd probably get a bit more rotor life (see Porsche's Tungsten carbide coated rotors) with soft street pads, but I imagine that with metallic race pads, you'd immediately annihilate the surface, and have trouble bedding in the pads.

  • @alirezaeskandari2287
    @alirezaeskandari2287 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    His smile makes me smile

  • @lacoolhand1017
    @lacoolhand1017 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super cool 😎. I remember watching a video on dlc coated pistons I wonder how a fully dlc coated piston plus full wpc coated piston would do?

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      DLC and WPC work well together actually.

  • @shredder8910
    @shredder8910 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you do a video on cryogenic treatment, and which engine parts to treat? I know it's good, but I'm not sure exactly what parts to do, and exactly why

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      thats coming soon, we shot it just in post.

  • @Wolfspartanmarvel117
    @Wolfspartanmarvel117 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    mike do u also do treatment on transmission gears

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes

  • @gtronin2631
    @gtronin2631 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't understand the benefit to WPC treatment on clutch plates in a DCT, is friction not the mechanism for engagement? If you were to reduce the friction would the clutches be more prone to slipping and then would increase wear? I must be missing something

  • @hibs5516
    @hibs5516 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would wpc and cryo treatment be viable for apex seals?

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes a lot of top rotary builders use it.

  • @RBAERO
    @RBAERO 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's like shooting penning?

  • @JuanBrolo
    @JuanBrolo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish I could have my Audi engine. Built by you guys it would be amazing

  • @CreeperOnYourHouse
    @CreeperOnYourHouse ปีที่แล้ว

    What happens if you wash off the lubricants you mentioned them adding?

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  ปีที่แล้ว

      It doesnt wash off.

  • @f430ferrari5
    @f430ferrari5 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I noticed I’m smiling while watching Mike. 😅😂
    I guess it’s kind of like yawning. 😂

  • @GP-fc7jv
    @GP-fc7jv 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow great information

  • @Bavarian_M
    @Bavarian_M 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great content!!! Thank you so much

  • @hoost3056
    @hoost3056 ปีที่แล้ว

    How is this treatment with transmissions and differentials?

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  ปีที่แล้ว

      Works awesome!

  • @eugenetorres7406
    @eugenetorres7406 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good Morning Mr. Mike do your company work wpc treatments for classic vw engine for beetle? And how it gonna be the cost? Thank you very much

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      About $1750 for the engine.

    • @eugenetorres7406
      @eugenetorres7406 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@motoiq Sir is it every parts will be treated?

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Every part where it helps.

  • @chrispompano
    @chrispompano ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there any benefits to include isotopic treatment with WPC & Cryo?

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't like it because it changes dimensions

  • @11Xshadowolf
    @11Xshadowolf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I Love your Videos !

  • @frank.l181
    @frank.l181 ปีที่แล้ว

    How about cylinder walls? I believe Honda uses a ceramic coating instead of iron sleaves.

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Some Honda engines use a cast silicone carbide matrix cast into the aluminum. WPC works on all of that.

  • @kennygaines1863
    @kennygaines1863 ปีที่แล้ว

    would this treatment allow audi alusil cylinders to be durable enough for turbocharging

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  ปีที่แล้ว

      It works well on it.

    • @kennygaines1863
      @kennygaines1863 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@motoiq thank you

  • @nii-san5485
    @nii-san5485 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this should be done on all cylinder walls and piston rings from factory, probably increases efficiency

  • @crackbrainedrunner6791
    @crackbrainedrunner6791 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How would this affect the ports of a cylinder head where a rougher surface performs better than a smooth polished one?

  • @chriswillis9599
    @chriswillis9599 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I run a metal plating lab. How do you add something to the metal without adding mils?

  • @justinlowder1854
    @justinlowder1854 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What is Cost to do a 351winAnd a c4 transmission

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      www.wpctreatment.com/quotation.htm

  • @justinranes3351
    @justinranes3351 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel like I wouldn’t want my clutch done because I want more friction to hold my power. Will it last longer yeah but If I’m racing I want my clutch to hold

  • @mikebrown41182
    @mikebrown41182 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about powervalve treatments? Would it be beneficial, is there alot of friction-stress going on there.

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A two stoke power valve? It would probably help the operation.

    • @mikebrown41182
      @mikebrown41182 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@motoiq yes for a two stroke, i har my mind that i would perhaps DLC coat it, but a professional mechanic for one of the best team in motocross told me about WPC, and now i try to think what i should treat, the transmission aswell.

  • @jonnymocksville4149
    @jonnymocksville4149 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is like an as seen on TV add, but actually works. And no, they won't double your order for free.

  • @drone8392
    @drone8392 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    how much horsepower gain after WPC all engine parts?, have you compare it?, less friction should be more power

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      On a car, it is super expensive to do an A to B test on WPC only but I have done it on a go-kart engine, on my daughter 50cc two-stroke Kart, it gave .2 more hp on a 3 hp motor and took a second of her lap time on a 1.03-second track. When she moved to 100cc karts it gained .3 hp on a 9 hp engine and gave her just under a second improvement on a 37 second a lap track. These are spec motors but the WPC isn't detectable and pass tech. For cars, the engine life is greatly increased, that's for sure. Also when a new engine is being turned by hand while being assembled, the friction is way less and the engine spins a lot easier.

  • @DBravo29er
    @DBravo29er 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How do thread locking agents react to it?

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Not affected

  • @aventari
    @aventari 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about Alusil / Nikasil cylinders, I don't know if WPC would be a good idea there due to the very specific finish they require.

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Works great on Nikasil and plasma liners, we do it all the time.

  • @yondaimehokage3343
    @yondaimehokage3343 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    can u wpc internal engine parts?even bone stock with less wear?
    just curious..

  • @jackmehoff1565
    @jackmehoff1565 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love how he always has a weird little smile on his face