Best to Worst : All Weapons in Starfield
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
- With the help of TODD the terramorph, I test out EVERY weapon in Starfield to determine, which is the best and which are the rest. All weapons are STOCK, non unique/rare/epic/legendary weapons with maximum DPS modifications. Only exception are explosives like grenades & mines.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Start
00:56 - Fists
01:41 - All Melee weapons
02:28 - DNF Old shotgun,pacifier, kraken
02:57 - Novablast disruptor
03:06 - Ecliptic pistol
03:17 - Shotty
03:50 - Old Earth rifle (AK)
04:03 - Old Earth pistol (1911)
04:16 - AA-99
04:23 - Old Earth hunting rifle (VSS)
04:37 - Magstorm
04:45 - Negotiator
05:12 - Magpulse
05:20 - Microgun
06:00 - XM-2311
06:06 - Beowulf
06:13 - Bridger
06:29 - Magsniper
06:43 - Novalight
07:35 - Drum Beat
07:54 - Sidestar
08:07 - Lawgiver
08:14 - Magshot
08:25 - Rattler
08:31 - Maelstrom
08:38 - TOP20
08:41 - Eon
08:59 - Kodama
09:18 - Grendel
09:29 - Urban Eagle
09:36 - Razorback
09:52 - Regulator
09:57 - Tombstone
10:08 - Breach
10:28 - Solstice
10:36 - Hard target
10:47 - Equinox
10:59 - Magshear
11:10 - Coachman
11:31 - Auto-Rivet
11:41 - Varuun Inflictor
11:50 - Big bang
12:12 - Orion
12:30 - Varuun Starshard
12:41 - Arc welder
12:44 - Cutter
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"Let's fist Todd" 🤣
Might be a combination of the choice of the test subject and use of weapons when terrormorphs have a massive ballistician damage resistence so yeah, ballistic wrapons suck against them.
Combined with the fact that a Terramorph has 0% energy resistance so yeah doing a weapons test vs a Terramorph was a bad ide.
The problem with this test is that Terrormorphs have crazy resistance to ballistic weapons, and much lower resistances to other weapon types. Guns like the Shotty are fantastic, just not for that particular enemy.
Yeah your testing methodology is way flawed because of the armor of terromorph
Apparently, "Best to worst" has a completely different meaning in eastern Europe.
In geometry, a line built from points A and point B can be called either line AB or line BA.
@@Kyle-nm1kh Nifty. But we are not talking about geometry. We are talking about English.
I found an exploit in latest Starfield update.
If you place a lower level weapon onto the weapon rack, it will upgrade to your current level, but only up to weapons grade rank. Named weapons like the Avatar or Reflection don't have a grade modifier so they will always upgrate to your level. Basically if you get a named weapon at level 20 when you get to, let's say level 69, you just pop that bad boy onto a weapon rack and BAM, you got a level 69 named weapon.
I tested this with the weapon mount in the Lodge
So it doesn't upgrade the tier, right?
@@qtar1984 correct, only the level up to the maximum of the tier. Unique weapons don't have tiers.
@@drakowerewolf7209 So I can level up the Mantis Armor this way too?
@@qtar1984 unfortunately no. I've tried the exploit with mannequins and it didn't work. And it looks to be that space suits don't follow the same rules as guns. No matter what level I am, the Mantis suit has same stats on every NG+
@@drakowerewolf7209Do you need to wait or reload a save in order to get the upgrade?
Let's pick the highest defense enemy in the game and try to kill it with a ribshank. "Game bad."
I haven’t actively played elite since jun 21’ I clicked this video without checking who made it and was delighted to hear the voice of yamiks. It’s like seeing a friend I haven’t seen in two years
Teramorphs(who you don't run into very often) are not the same as high-level human enemies(which you will eventually run into all the time). The usual level 50 human enemies have a lot of armor that I think will change the results you get here to a noticeable extent.
Something I feel should be noted, you tested all weapons at advanced tier, which not all weapons can reach.
Eon, and Equinox can only be Refined
The Cutter, Auto-Rivet, and Arc-Welder cannot have a prefix at all, so their damage suffers late game without cheats or mods.
That being said, since fire damage is percentage based and all their damage comes from that, it shouldn't make much difference.
Also noting that all particle beam weapons gain benefits from the Laser Skill ON TOP of the Particle Beam skill, making them have the highest dps in the game die to being able to benefit from Laser, Particle beam, scoped, and rifle/Pistol skill damage boosts all at once.
Also note terrormorph also have ballistic damage resistances. Some alien creatures are massively resistant to laser damage. So testing weapons on one the tankiest enemies in the game will throw the whole test out when using inappropriate weapons against it. They are heavily armored, so laser and EM damage is a no brainier by default. TheYamiks again showing he is more interested in coming off as entertaining rather than informative.
Thank you for posting!!
I wasn't aware fire damage was that powerful, considering I just ignored it. For the shot guns I actually like flechette rounds a little more than tesla or hornet's nest due to the hilarious bleed effect. That seems a little more useful more often.
Also it's amazing how some guns like the eon or equinox don't have advanced counterparts so they start falling behind eventually.
fantastic video! thank you!
I have never laughed so hard while watching a game weapons comparison. You are a true entertainer. Thanks
i was expecting some weird outcomes like the stupid low crap pistols on the higher ranks, but that top rank... guess "mining" is the new best gameplay loop :P
Well done man, well done. Actually made me LoL😂. Keep it up!
I want to love the drum beat ( because it's a spaced up ar15 sbr with Hera Arms CQR stock and forgrip.), but it's always outclassed.
Fun video, and rather surprising. Guns I thought were great, perhaps weren't that great, or perhaps it's the legendary effects that make a mediocre weapon good.
This test is not a good representation of gun performance becouse of the target they are tested on. A Terramorph has a huge balistic resistance stat so any weapon using balistic dmg is gonna suck against it. On the other hand a Terramorph has 0% energy resistance regardless of difficulty or NG+ so the top weapons just won be default becouse they dealt primarly energy based dmg vs an enemy type with 0% resistance.
The barrels on the mag weapons are square because they are throwing magnets not rounds. Though idk why they would use flat rectangles for a projectile, it should at least have a point or it's just gonna bounce off anything harder than it
I gave a 👍 in the first 2 minutes because of the great commentary and I will check out a few more videos for the sub. I will guess he will get it off of how fun he seems
I kept imagining you were Triumph the Insult Dog enjoying your new gamer lifestyle in retirement. Great work!
Didn't see the A7 on the list. I think I got it during the mission where your jumping between realities and is great against creatures with outer shells but great all around because of the flieshette rounds and the bleeding effects.
Really didn't expect the cutter though
Still love my AA-99 with explosive rounds on semi auto. Good pew pew boom boom gun 😂.
I've seen it suggested by another CC that the shotty is bugged and not actually set as a ranged weapon in the games files, and thus doesn't get any of the additional damage from perks. would love to see some proper testing.
I don't think Bethesda will ever understand how miniguns work will they? We did get the FOV slider. BUT they quick hid chests in a one player game that are still known in Skyrim 12 years later. Great video and thank you for being another that wants guns to work like guns in games.
Beowulf my beloved
How did you get the advanced rattler? as four weapons in the game I have only found up to refined and the rattler being one of those four? I am level 120 and still have never found and advanced one. As well as only a few space suits coming in the superior version, most are only advanced at best.
Wow. Great video/review thank you. I can certainly say that I am a bit shocked on one hand and perhaps disappointed on another. I had heard about the Cutter/fire combo before but you have to be ready to take it in the face as it only has like a 10 meter range so probably ok for similar or lower level Fauna as a a lazier way to deal with them while running around scanning. It certainly doesn't appeal to me to be using it though compared to the much cooler weapons. My perception of the mini gun is that its one of the best I've found and it's my go to gun for mowing down the Starborn when they pop up, although I just recently found a Varun Starshard which I gave to Andreja and she now one shots pretty much everything...but I am only level 40 and doing level 40-60 stuff. Also with the Old Earth sniper rifle (or whatever) I am able to 1-2 shot enemies up to 10 levels above me. So the perception at least for me at my level and what I am doing is nowhere near this bad but obviously you have provided pretty hard/detailed evidence here. Thanks again.
I love the Varuun weapons. The sound they make on every shot is so chunky, I love it. Good to know that they're some of the best weapons too.
Bruh, they’re so ugly. And look so uncomfortable to hold. The rifle especially is so big for no reason.
I personally like the Beowulf and the Coachman shotgun (with the special 4 magazine clip and the hornets perk) lovely combination...
Equiping the coachman using the Parralel self power and then sniping with the beowulf or keep bombing with the coachman....
My precious negotiator with extended mag, crippling, and at advanced rank. Hornet’s nest brings the fun to the party.
Got a mini gun with the pre fix "does higher damage after each consecutive hit". It's gnarly
Wait a minute advanced cutter o.O I need that!
Personally my favorite weapon is the maelstrom and I know most of you won't agree with me but put AP or whitehot rounds, high powered and semi auto mods and then the maelstrom does crazy damage, like dropping enemies with 2 or 3 shots😅
I use the magshot, AA-99, and hard target. I’m one or two shorting every enemy below 60 with the rifle and magshot, and below 30 with my AA-99. The AA-99 has double mag cap, 10% more damage to enemies, and a chance to poison enemies.
The varuun afflicter is pretty damn Op in my opinion also a legendary advanced Beowulf definitely slaps
People complaining about the test method but damn this is hilarious and works perfectly for me with the 9 weapon types I have bound😂
Saying that the game isn't balanced based on this test is sort of bad. The average player isn't always facing giga health enemies. As a joke, saying "fix this garbage" is fine, but not seriously. Also, it does point out some issues with high-end scaling for sure.
I wasn't expecting the cutter but it is kind of balanced by the incredibly short range. I'll stick with my semi auto Grendel, it's more fun and doesn't eat ammo like it's going out of fashion :)
Are you going to do a ship review for all the ships you can buy from vendors and how they perform?
Most of my kills are either long distance with a silenced hard target, or up close with an inflictor. Only problem is Andreja seems to like being electrocuted from the splash damage. She seems to somehow always go and stand in it.
Just 2 things I wanted to say about this. Dots are really only good against high hp aliens. And I don't think you ever used railguns like they're supposed to, which is holding down the trigger to "charge" the shot, the mag sniper can pretty much one shot everything in the game.
I would have to say the Va'ruun Inflictor is the most practical weapon for outdoor environments. If you can get Reflection, then it has the instigating perk which makes it's damage output insane.
In close quarters combat, the Magshear is my choice. Although you could substitute the Big Bang I suppose, it just struggles with mid range engagements. The cutter is really only good for taking out terrormorphs due to the way the dot scales with health, it's very slow at killing regular enemies.
Everyone seems to rave on about the Coachman with hornets nest, but it's not particularly practical. It's only just comparable to a Va'ruun Inflictor in damage but useless at long range, deadly to yourself at close range and only has a 2 or 4 shot mag if you're lucky.
The vss is insane on a stealth build with the instigating effect. I have that and furious on mine and its two shoting most creatures up to level 80, one shot when sneak bonus. Plus with the hair trigger its so quick to spam shots off most enemies never last more than a few seconds. I'd use it a lot more if the ammo wasn't such a bitch to find
Out of curiosity were you testing with perks or no? Also the really terrible looking weapons being really terrible in DPS might be intentional at this rate.
With melee I like the axe even though it's got terrible damage and attack speed, cause I got the perks to let me run faster and heal after every melee kill. So I run around like an axe murderer.
Are there any guns that you find fun to shoot even though they suck?
......i said : all damage affecting perks equipped!
@@TheYamiksmy bad i heard the part with "no modifications" and thought that also meant no perks.
Have you watched the interview that the head of Insomniac Games did with Todd Howard?
Except its clear from the first segment his perks ate not maxed, let alone not using consumables either
Additionally not mentioned is his conclusions only apply to the terrormorph and high hp targets
The time to kill is shown but extremely skewed because the target is a terrormorph and fire is exceptionally op
Time to kill a level 100 pirate lord or equivalent humanoid or robot would’ve been a lot more representative than terrormorphs that are extremely rare
@@luzhang2982 the same result would have3 been for something like "pirate legend"
none of the weapons has any ""bonus"" for aliens. All stock basic stuff!
funny, the mag weapons are actually based on the MetalStorm weapons program from the US in the early 2000s. They tested very well but never went anywhere for some reason
Ty for video... You missed the beowulf variation... It's a great video on semi automatic
Thank you
Maybe he will talk about this but if u only test weapons vs a Terramorph u are gonna get some VERY 1 sided stats when it comes to the types of dmg they deal. A Terrormorphs balistic resistance is huge and depending on difficulty and if u play a NG+ a Terrormorph has betwinn 40ish% all the way up to 93% balistic resistance. However if u use an energy based weapon they have 0% resistance regardless of difficulty or NG+.
The results were very mutch expected with the Energy based weapons at the top even if we ignore the top 2 meme weapons. The Terramorphs none existing energy resistance just catapulted all the energy based weapons to the top by default.
I love how unbalanced the guns are; as such, I love my enemy rebalance mod, which makes both me and the enemy not have a ton of overhealth, so I can run mostly what I want.
I did the same, one or two shots and either they or I die... something dies at least. But the only thing I can't find a good balance is detection. Either they spot me a mile away ducking or fail to see me standing a foot away.
@@Shadow__133 I haven't even touched stealth. Even though I genuinely love picking my enemy off one or even two at a time, it's not worth truly becoming the assassin until a good mod comes out that has it down. I can deal somewhat with my full set of chameleon armor and stealth skills, except for the fact that sometimes enemies will start shooting at me when the meter is still in caution.
What's the name of the mod?
@@josephwilson6272 It's two mods Less Spongy Enemies (5 for the optional health gain) and if you scroll down you'll see a mod that's Less Spongey players. I play on very hard as well.
@@Indo6627 Oh, you got me wrong... I hate the too stealthy aspect lol. I increased my detection stats (sound/light) because I found it too unrealistic that you can sneak within feet of targets. 😂
Actually, the AA-9 in semi-auto is very potent, similar to the Beowolf Just need to keep tapping the trigger.
The AA-99 with explosive rounds is so much fun to use and one of my lost used weapons. If an enemy takes cover you can just shoot the ground next to them.
People hate on melee weapons but trust me when I say this if you actually have a melee build it’s really effective and fun as well
......sounds like a sad joke. but ok.
i was so saddened to see how crap melee ended up being!
I got a microgun (minigun) with explosive rounds faster firespeed and armor pen .... Im roleplaying as a sentient A10 and its glorious! Evry enemy melts regardless the level armor or anything else. Heck that thing could kill ships if they wouldnt be in a different "system?"!
This list gives FIRE rate a new meaning
by the time I fought my first terramorphs I was level 65ish in ng+... and every other one was lvl 90... biggest bullet sponges in the game, holy crap, even with magstorms and microguns. EM does work great agains them.
That's funny. I didn't look up anything, and had fought a dozen by like 5hrs in and haven't seen any since 😂
@@jasonmcbride637 were they connected to UC quest?
@@ravenheartwraith yeah they were. Looks like I did the fun fights early 🫠
@@jasonmcbride637 I'm a Freestar guy so I didn't really bother with the other factions until well into NG+, hence the higher levels. They don't really show up much in exploration, at least not in my case, but I did a lot of it.
The Vintorez is the best weapon in starfield and I won't be convinced otherwise c:
You'd think in a space setting where people can just farm endless resources from planets and ship them across the universe no problem, they'd have no ammunition shortage because you could just order online. But nooooooooooo, we're still in the Wasteland!
i'm pretty sure you can thank the Fallout 4 "when freedom calls" quest for the minigun nerf stupidity.
Ok, ok. I had planned to just glaze over this vid while I listened to it in the background while working. HOWEVER... when you said "it's so bad at killing things they might as well call themselves russian military" I laughed coffee out my nose and now I will be invoicing you for a new keyboard. -This was funny AF. Thank you.
Wanna know something very fun about the cutter fire procing? ... it's tied to framerate which means it dose about half damage on consoles but is still the best😂
Ooooohhh???!!
@@TheYamiks the testing I did was rudementary but I did it as following me and my friend loaded up the story mission where you need to kill the terrormorph in the food plant, using a level 100 character, we put the game on max difficulty (witch also increased the burning damage because it's health percentage based) and killed the thing 10 times with the cutter, and only the cutter. He is on PC I'm on Xbox it took him almost half the time to kill it every time, the only difference in this scenario is the framerate which he tried to get pretty close to a constant 60 while mine being on console is locked at 30.
I think this list is actually a list of Worst to Best, not the other way around =D
Soinds better thou heh
1:03 - Rapid liquid projectile output - I need a new keyboard
Isn't the test flawed since terramorphs are meant to be tanky?
The thing on the bottom of the VSS is a flashlight attached.
I'd like to remind everyone that the strongest weapon in Skyrim is a fork.
... So yeah, Cutter being OP is Bethesda approved.
A Suppressed Coachman with Hornet’s Nest rounds is a great setup but you will kill yourself a lot.
Is it actually better suppressed?
@@BlueOvals24 with Concealment maxed out it is 4x times higher with stealth shots.
@@BlueOvals24 Stealth lasers with ignition beams seem to kill bosses quicker though. Fire damage is very op in this game.
@@Aceshooting So far my favorite thing to do is gravity wave a boss and hit them with Coachman + hornets nest. I'll add a a suppressor and see how that goes
Revenant and keel hauler are by far the best guns in the game.
What, no comments on the busted forend on the old earth shotgun?
The cutter is apparently the most op weapon, I will try to find one.
The Eon with Hair Trigger and Binary Trigger might as well be a full auto.
Appreciate this. I think.
Hah. Guess I'm doing things right. Found a legendary Orion and it's my go-to weapon at level 16. I one-shot everything so far.
I think the double barrel laser rifle thing looks more similar to the pulse rifle from Aliens.
The cutter... the cutter took #1. Irony.
Do a video of best weapons for each ammo type.
I will second the varuun pistol. That thing just yeets on a headshot
The Tetramorph is almost completely immune to ballistic damage and has zero defense against energy.
Fist wasn't useless, it was a terromorph massage. 😂
Just stated playing. I thought the mining laser was OP. All of the enemies are bullet sponges. What have they been doing all this time? 😮Not QA...
You're right. At the start all of the enemies are very spongey. That being said, the weapon skills that give you damage buffs are some of the easiest things to level up if you see weak or low level fauna (like heat leeches) that die in one hit they will count toward your kill requirements for leveling a skill.
To be fair, any automatic with a high fire rate is insanely broken with the 'Furious' effect.
Is advanced the highest weapon tear?
yes. while fro space suits "SUPERIOR" is the highest
I don’t think the nova light would light them on fire cause it says it’s a particle beam weapon but I could be wrong lol
Any form of energy damage will trigger it, particle uses a hybrid of physical and energy damage
I'm looking forward to mod creators adding more weapons to the game 🤙
Probably the best gaming related content on the internet.
Bruh how tf did you rank the AA-99 lower than the Beowulf?
i got a legendary Kodama with 100 round mag that shoots flechet rounds and rips through bosses in 2 mags
Those pretty good guns
Cutter and arc wielder are balanced because you literally have to be up your enemy's nostrils to use them. And they cannot get advanced versions either.
So while they are VERY good against melee range xenomorphs, they are not so good against humanoids with guns.
Terrormorph was a bad test subject because of their resistances it skewed the rsults pretty bad...
I had an incendiary Coachman that was basically a grenade launcher. It would one shot everything (besides terramorphs)
I think I just got one on my 2nd play through. I blew myself up because I didn't take into account the handrail 10 meters ahead of me..
So essentially one mechanic, fire, determines what is good or not. Great game design
Except if you don't invest points into it, then it doesn't determine what is good or not because all weapons would not have it. The game is designed fine, fire is a choice.
@Kyle-nm1kh My point is that one mechanic makes all the difference, regardless of build, if you want to deal meaningful damage
@@KhtrasNo. You still do meaningful damage without fire. If you want to be one of those people that chases numbers because you lose sleep at night over not having the highest numbers achievable, then use a weapon that ignites the target.
Solstice reminds me of infrared thermometers
I can’t believe Todd got fisted for hours and hours and still didn’t perish
I love those kind of videos! There's just one (major) problem with it:
As others have pointed out, you're testing weapons with illegitamite attachments, that can't spawn naturally that way, e.g. Advanced Equinox, Advanced Sidestar, etc. These weapons can't spawn as Advanced variants. I also checked some of your other weapons' stats, whose attachments look legit at first glance, but they are off as well. You probably attached incorrect quality attachments (those who are responsible for the Calibrated, Refined, and Advanced tiers). That invalidates this whole comparison to some degree.
I'd love to see this video being remade with legit weapons and weapon parts. Cheers.
cant spawn advanced?
what?
mate. you ether level up high -> the whole item pool also scales according yo your level (not everywhere, oddly, but mostly)
but most importantly : NG+ would increase both enemy levels and dropped item "quality"
Do tell what I missed here!?
@@TheYamiks I could explain how weapons are assembled in Bethesda games in detail but that would be pages of text and I doubt you or anyone else would read it. So, I make it short. The quality of a weapon usually comes in four quality tiers:
- tier 1 is the basic variant that has no indicator in an item's name
- tier 2 provides the Calibrated prefix
- tier 3 provides the Refined prefix
- tier 4 provides the Advanced prefix
These four tiers are determined by hidden so-called "Object Mod" attachments, or OMOD for short in engine terms. These attachments will be applied dynamically and semi-randomised (based on area/character level) when an item is spawned. The problem being, while most weapons have all four quality attachments available, some of them only have attachments up to tier 3, thus lacking the Advanced variant - whether this is done intentionally or a bug is up for debate. Here are some screenshots taken from ESM Explorer to visualise what I'm trying to explain - there are more that are limited to tier 3 but I included only a couple of them for showcasing purposes: imgur.com/a/R0VMTQd
I also poked around in the game's code, assets, and databases. I couldn't find anything that would explain getting access to an Advanced variant of those weapon, unless console commands are being used to attach another weapon's Advanced tier OMOD to one of the weapons that lacks an equivalent OMOD.
I have a character around level 80 and never seen a single Advanced variant of those weapons. Thus it is fairly safe to say that there is no hidden mechanic that somehow makes weapons work fundamentally different than in previous Bethesda titles. And other players (including the users of my mods) confirmed that they also never got Advanced variants of those weapons.
But don't just take my word for it. You can verify that yourself. Go to NexusMods, download "ESM Explorer" (or xEdit if you know how to make it read Starfield's plugins) and load the plugin "Starfield.esm". In there expand the OMOD (or Object Mod) section and search for the weapon attachments in question, as shown on the screenshots, either via FormID or EditorID.
Hilarious commentary!
So basically the best weapons in starfield is any weapon with whitehot rounds or has the incinerate perk
3:41 Lolol this so much.
I think you made a mistake in testing these ONLY on the super bullet sponge enemies where OBVIOUSLY the percentage based effects reign king.
But I still never use my cutter…because your space magic powers like Solar Flare produce the same effect and destroy terrormorphs and any other bullet sponge enemies.
So no imo the Va’Run Inflictor and Big Bang are EASILY the best guns because they kill all other normal high level enemies far quicker than definitely the cutter. They have the best per damage shot by far.
So I don’t think terrormorphs, a rare enemy where your powers can kill as easily as guns, are a good enemy type for ratings. I think it’s best to use just the highest level BASE type pirates and spacers. Big bang destroys all the others in that sense
i played starfield hard for a few days then settled into a play for 2 or 3 hours a day kinda thing. i was having fun (or so i thought) and i will still get shattered space if it's about the Varuun or adds more functionality to ships and outposts.
BUT
i got Cyberpunk on ps4 (pre-ordered, yes i know. moving on) and i played it hard for 4 or 5 days to squeeze some value out of it. it was clear that it was, mostly, the bad port i had an issue with. i liked the underlying game. so i decided i'd get it on a sale when i had a pc or next gen. i got next gen at the start of the year and got Cyberpunk 50% of shortly after. i , immediately, set it aside for the 2.0 version release. i played the REAL Cyberpunk 2077 last week. i am undernourished. i am underhydrated. i have had precious little sleep in a week. and i pre-ordered phantom liberty on day 2. ps4 cyberpunk was the last game i pre-ordered and i swore i would never pre-order even dlc from then on. the personal ban on pre-order and day 1 purchase still stands for GAMES but it took 2 days for next gen 2.0 cyberpunk to get me to break the very rule it inspired (for dlc anyway). now, if you will excuse me, my snack is gone and while i have been typing this i could be playing one of the greatest games i have ever played in my life. bye.