@@TheAmandaRaeGrant my parents didn’t ban me from dressing like a scene kid or anything but 90% of my clothes were from Asda or mountain warehouse until I was like 16 and started choosing my own wardrobe, by which time it was 2016 and being emo was deeply frowned upon 😂
Every time I see a new face on your channel, I smile first. The stories are heartbreaking...but you guys are out and you are here and that is hope. Thank you for being here and thank you for sharing....just sending hugs and encouragement and all yhe good things
Brenda, I am only halfway through the episode & I had to pause it real quick to say this… In my experience having a traumatic childhood will give a person more awareness of their surroundings & more “ppl smarts” as I refer to it. It’s a survival skill we learn. This keen perceptiveness. Everyone I have seen on this channel has shown this in their stories. Everyone. I’m blown away by yours though. You are AMAZINGLY insightful 🖤
It hit me really hard when Brenda said she didn't know loving your mother was a real thing. I don't remember a time I loved my mother and I'm currently trying to heal from the guilt it causes. I have never heard someone say it this clearly before, and it was like a breath of fresh air! Also I just want to say she has such a nice laugh!
Thanks Brenda for this conversation, I just wanted to join in and share your experiences are so similar, yet also uniquely your's! Your mom was the mom at washakie who I told about my SA, she was getting triggered or something cuz she shut it down so fast. Idk if someone told me this but I remember believing “bad things only happened to bad people, so I must have done something to deserve this.” I also knew if I ever acted on anything gay, the guilt would drive me to off myself. God the joys of being Daniel’s kids… I’ll go subscribe and watch the rest over on your channel💓
I'm so happy to hear that you've had/are having therapy. I listened to your stories of the psych wards before this and was so worried that you were being released with only meds. You are a very strong and courageous woman. I hope you continue to heal and find true happiness. You definitely deserve it! ❤️
I'm so glad she's doing well, her story was one of the scariest on the show. I get part of the point of social services is to reunite families and plenty just need help. But that they keep trying to force Daniel's kids back into this is terrifying. Bad things only happen to people who deserve it, Daniel has got a lot of shit coming if that is the case
It's so awesome to see you Brenda! I'm glad you reached out to friends and got out. It took so much courage and bravery for you to survive all of that! I hope you're thriving now, and I'm sure Amanda is being supportive of your therapy/ healing journey. Remember that progress isn't perfect or linear! 😀
I'm still trying to comprehend these broken people who have wonderful children like the two of you and aren't grateful every moment of every day. I'm so pleased that you got out of that dreadful cult and are encouraging others to do likewise.
Amanda.. I enjoy your channel. I find this kind of content extremely interesting. I appreciate your sense of humor and how you use it to keep things light.
Brenda, it's taken so much more courage to escape & find a new path in life. Thank you for showing the courage to open up about what you've gone through. You made the choice to act with the heart of a lion, strong & majestic, gentle & kind. I'm excited for you with the future you've allowed yourself to have the opportunity for that The Order can't give. May your future be bright, filled with joy, and with a peace beyond what you've ever dared to imagine.
OMG!!!! I watched this episode super recently and I was really hoping that everything had turned out okay for her. I’m so glad she got out for good and didn’t check out early💗
Wow, I was in the middle of a C2C episode of you Amanda, and your video just dropped 😊 As somebody who was sexually assaulted when I was young and had to carry that secret for years, I’m really sorry that your cult treated y’all that way when you were the victims and you were still little girls. I’m still living in an emotionally, verbally and mentally abuse household, but I’m so happy that you beat your cult, the grip that they had on you. It’s so awful, how much your father put you through, Brenda (and you, Amanda, as well). Forgive me for saying this, but Kingston men are horrible people. The fact that you saw unaliving yourself as the logical option, Brenda, is so heartbreaking, and the way your deceased sister was dehumanized and indignated after she ended her life, is a travesty on top of a tragedy on top of a tragedy. Thank you for opening up, and sharing your story, and trauma ❤🙏🏾.
I appreciate your support❤I am so sorry you had to deal with that for years :( I hope you have found healing❤ thank you so much for always showing so much kindness to me and the guests on my channel. I hope you can find your way in to the healthy house hold that you deserve. It can be hard to find especially while still healing heavy trauma. You seem so genuine❤ thankyou for sharing with us
Please bring Brenda on again! It felt like you barely scratched the surface of her story and I'm really curious to hear more about the dynamics in Daniel's family and how growing up in her family differed from your experience, Amanda. Great interviews (yes I watched part II).
Always have to watch and support the channel, you guys are so awesome and brave. Really proud of you both, life is hard enough without being born into such abuse. Sending you guys love!!
Brenda you look really cool, your emo style is very slay, I love it. I like your shirt I don’t have many words to say about your story that hasnt been said already bc you and your friends/siblings were dehumanized to hell LITERALLY. Just messed up, and you have impressive strength. Will be going to part 2
Brenda, you are so resilient❤ I don’t know you, but I’m so proud of you. Despite coming from a place where you didn’t get the love you deserved, you have such a kind heart.
everyone from the Order who says "Daniel" says it the same way. Y'all pronounce the first 'a' as a short vowel as in 'apple. ' It is very pronounced while the rest of the name is said quickly- it sounds like "dAnyl". Most others pronounce the same 'a' as a long vowel like 'snake.' It may be a regional thing, but I've noticed everyone from the order says it this way.
@kendralowery8622 I noticed , also. It's a fun quirk and I love hearing it. My name has an "Ann" in it and depending who I meet some regions and on the West Coast, friends will pronounce it with that quirk or twang. It's lovely. Though, of course. The individual "dAnyel" is less than l9vely. ! Thanks for making this interesting observation and leaving a comment. It always gives me a little grin in the middle of dark stories.
Every time you bring on a family member, the resemblance is so uncanny. Brenda is super cool, excited to sub to her channel and learn more about her story!
I can’t wait to watch this later and I’ll come in with my questions. I know she is from the Mattingly line. I don’t know how I feel about the Mattinglys. I feel angry that they forced their teenage daughters into marrying gross, old men; and sad for Brenda’s grandmother who had to deal with it. I’m glad she is willing to share her story. Did Brenda reconnect with her mom’s family on the outside? How many of her siblings have left?
Yeah I'm only close with allison atm I do also love to visit Jessica, Andrea, and the other amazing women who have never been anything but supportive to me.
Thank you for answering my questions. It still baffles my mind that you, Andrea and Jessica are not only siblings but cousins because your moms are sisters.
@@Snow_Crystal420 Maybe it’s because I’m an only child? On another note, I could not imagine signing my teenage daughters up for a life of involuntary servitude and single motherhood. I’m 22 and I could not imagine having kids right now.
Therapy is not just for mental illness. It is like exercise for your emotions. It is no different than going to any other doctor to make sure that you are healthy.
Breana thank you for sharing! Glad you decided to not do the suicide route💕💕💕 on a completely different topic I feel like this was an apartment Eskel lived in. Is it the same place and or in the same building🤔🤔🤔🤔
It's okay to use the term "died by suicide". Rather than COMMITED, as though it is an accusation. Thank you, cousins and sisters for talking about these painful memories.
I feel like especially in the order it was treated as committing a sin but also on the outside I have heard people discuss it in such a weird way.....I think because there are not a lot of people publicly discussing this topic. Thank you for listening and being so supportive ❤❤I appreciate you ❤❤
@TheAmandaRaeGrant You are right. I was in a similar situation in my childhood, though not as severe. You are making a difference in your sphere of influence and a phenomenal shift. I learn so much from the way you have interacted with each other. Thanks for promoting mental health therapy, as well. I so much agree that EVERY ONE who has a brain can benefit from therapy. Every Counsellor can gain positive skills from receiving therapy, too!
I have to put most videos on two times speed or I get bored. Not you have have to do normal speed take the time to listen and process everything. Sorry I haven't been commenting much. But I appreciate you and all your interviews.
Best wishes to Brenda! I can already tell by the great head on her shoulders that she’s going to thrive! Question though…Did you cover the story about Rachel? Did I miss it?
All my Instincts tells me to go and take that young girl away from there.😔🖤 I have been SAd as an adult, and even though I got really good help from health care and police I where a mess afterwards. For months! I where paranoid thinking he might come back, having flashbacks of him touching me etc. I didnt want sex again for a year after. I didnt even touch myself because it descusted me. Which is totally put of character I have had a good, healthy s*x life for 30 years prior to that. Imaging going through an assault at 13! and instead of support you get blamed and scared with demons??!? Iam so proud of you for still being alive and sane ❤️ you are an incredible person ❤
I would rather that then the 90's trend here where all the high school kids are dressing like they are straight from the set of my so called life...all flannel button ups over mid drift tops and mom jeans....
Re: love of mothers; without emotional maturity, it's not possible to develop a healthy attachment, even with your own child. Because most of these women marry young/become mothers before their brain is even fully developed I'm not surprised that normal development of maternal love did not take place.
I could never imagine anyone chalking my brother taking his life over anything but mental illness 😭 If you’re thinking about it. Please do not do it, your story isn’t over yet. If you need resources reach out. Whatever you’re going through will pass I promise! I’m a statistic, I shouldn’t have made it to 18,21,25 & then 30 & here I am at 32 & my life now… I wouldn’t trade my life for nothing!!! Please reach out!
34:56 Nah, he doesn’t deserve a more feminine name. I’m continually surprised no one (or two people or a small group) has deleted him yet. I won’t be surprised if I were to read that headline. Relieved, perhaps even pleased, but not surprised.
Shunning is also normal and part of rule for JWs, my mom is shunning me also. I´m dead to her. They changed shunning rule that they can finally say hi to ex members, but if you are an apostate, they still cant say greetings to you. Other similar thing is mental problems inside my excult, I knew all kind of mental things going on like cutting and eating disorders and sadly I know too many JWs that killed themselfs. JWs still dont tell victims (of things I cant typing here), go to police, they want to fix things with elders, I know some person got DF`ed, cos elders think she was the reason of that bad thing to happen. Its sad, but also good to hear my cult isnt only cult that do horrible things to people. I´m so proud of you that you give faces of all that. ❤
I knew JWs growing up, I don't know why there's a large population in Ireland. But same thing, a friend's mother was told divorcing her alcoholic, abusive husband was the worse sin but her daughter marrying a non-witness the crime the shame. Its scary how much religion covers up abuse
I had a very good friend that grew up JW. He was shunned because his wife needed and got a heart transplant so she could continue living. I can’t imagine being shunned for saving a life.
@@MaureenStevens-mh3tiI had even when I was kid no blood card with me always, only good thing that in my country they will give blood no matter what kid or parents saying if the person is under 18. They would saved me. In the past there was rule that you cant take organs from other people nowdays its fine, the only thing that you kicked out from org is blood. And sadly to say way too many JWs have died around the globe, cos not taking blood. I was kid when they had magazine cover that had pictures about teens that have died cos didnt take blood, even back then I was thinking it was horrible, that god waits that you rather die than take blood. Crazy cult, that still keeps killing its members, cos this no blood rule.
@@tiiatuuli339 I was recently told that the blood issue is now considered a matter of conscience. I was appalled to say the least thinking of all those who died believing what had previously been taught.
@@kimstout6419 Nowdays you can take fractals of blood , i hope its typing that way in english, I know its only my language, if you feel so but still not full blood, red or white bood cells. Atleast I know and I follow what JWs are doing and all the new light. I was still in when they changed that so it has been years when they changed that fractal thingy. So its tiny things from blood, but not real blood. I remember that one person didnt kicked out cos they gave him blood, cos he didnt fill right way his blood card and he asked forgivnes. But atleast I know its still reason to be d´f´ed if you ask blood.
Unfortunately that's how it happens in many cults/high demand religions. It's believed that the victim did something to draw the perpetrator's attention.
Heading you two talk about therapy made me think.... do you all remember that scene in The Sixth Sense were the little boy finally faces the ghosts that have been following him and there's a little girl in his room that scared him because she was just vomiting and looked like a zombie because she was dead, but when he went back in and faced her she said, "I feel better now."? And he realized that they weren't to be feared they needed help. That's how therapy is. That's how you all described it. You got to get a good long hard puke out and then you'll feel better. It's not fun to go through but you will come out on the other side feeling better!❤
It seems to me that when people especially girls and women who leave the order seem much more healthier after leaving. Even though I know that when some people who leave or get kicked out will start drinking or doing drugs. I’m glad Brenda’s doing well since leaving.
34:44 we do say Daniel different, maybe because in the order we gave a lot of power and respect to that name. I dont personally hear the difference, but have been told by different Daniels, 🤷 I still don't hear it. 🤮
@@krystaladams4440Thanks. The reason I asked, is because Amanda said "Whenever I was..." in her intro and the background looks similar to Eskels old apartment. Just been forever since I heard that.
I can't believe how 2 people...Your Dad and Your Mom gave birth to You and many other's, yet they can't give You their last name! That's Just Wrong from the get go!
Okay so order ppl def pronounce their vowels differently than standard American English and it doesn't fit with regional accents either. It's not bad tho. Standard English is Dan-yul, emphasis on yul. You say dahn-yul, emphasis on dahn
ive noticed it too. Y'all DO say Daniel weird lol. It's almost like instead of pronouncing the a as you would in the word at, you almost pronounce it like an ah sound or an o sound. Dahniel. Also its kind of like you don't hit the n very hard. It's almost dah-yil
Unrelated but Brenda’s style is taking me back to my 2013 wannabe scene/emo kid days so hard I think I got whiplash 😂
right? same lol I always wanted a nose ring but was too scared to do it lol
😂❤ tysm!
@@TheAmandaRaeGrant my parents didn’t ban me from dressing like a scene kid or anything but 90% of my clothes were from Asda or mountain warehouse until I was like 16 and started choosing my own wardrobe, by which time it was 2016 and being emo was deeply frowned upon 😂
@ it really suits your face shape if that makes sense? Like the style looks really good on you!
@@emilybarclay8831 that's so sweet of you to say! 💝
Every time I see a new face on your channel, I smile first. The stories are heartbreaking...but you guys are out and you are here and that is hope. Thank you for being here and thank you for sharing....just sending hugs and encouragement and all yhe good things
awww thankyou 🥰
❤❤
Brenda, I am only halfway through the episode & I had to pause it real quick to say this… In my experience having a traumatic childhood will give a person more awareness of their surroundings & more “ppl smarts” as I refer to it. It’s a survival skill we learn. This keen perceptiveness. Everyone I have seen on this channel has shown this in their stories. Everyone. I’m blown away by yours though. You are AMAZINGLY insightful 🖤
It hit me really hard when Brenda said she didn't know loving your mother was a real thing. I don't remember a time I loved my mother and I'm currently trying to heal from the guilt it causes. I have never heard someone say it this clearly before, and it was like a breath of fresh air! Also I just want to say she has such a nice laugh!
Thanks Brenda for this conversation, I just wanted to join in and share your experiences are so similar, yet also uniquely your's! Your mom was the mom at washakie who I told about my SA, she was getting triggered or something cuz she shut it down so fast. Idk if someone told me this but I remember believing “bad things only happened to bad people, so I must have done something to deserve this.” I also knew if I ever acted on anything gay, the guilt would drive me to off myself. God the joys of being Daniel’s kids… I’ll go subscribe and watch the rest over on your channel💓
I'm so happy to hear that you've had/are having therapy. I listened to your stories of the psych wards before this and was so worried that you were being released with only meds. You are a very strong and courageous woman. I hope you continue to heal and find true happiness. You definitely deserve it! ❤️
I'm so glad she's doing well, her story was one of the scariest on the show. I get part of the point of social services is to reunite families and plenty just need help. But that they keep trying to force Daniel's kids back into this is terrifying. Bad things only happen to people who deserve it, Daniel has got a lot of shit coming if that is the case
Thank you for sharing, Brenda ❤
It's so awesome to see you Brenda! I'm glad you reached out to friends and got out. It took so much courage and bravery for you to survive all of that!
I hope you're thriving now, and I'm sure Amanda is being supportive of your therapy/ healing journey. Remember that progress isn't perfect or linear! 😀
@@gwendolynmorgan7803 You said so well what I wanted to say. 👍
Thanks for sharing !
I'm still trying to comprehend these broken people who have wonderful children like the two of you and aren't grateful every moment of every day. I'm so pleased that you got out of that dreadful cult and are encouraging others to do likewise.
Thank you both, your such beautiful souls.
I wished i could hug you both but never forget you both are stronger than you were when you came out of the hell.
Thank you ❤❤❤
@TheAmandaRaeGrant you're so welcome as a mom I just love you both so much and if you would love I'd adopt all both into my family
Amanda.. I enjoy your channel. I find this kind of content extremely interesting. I appreciate your sense of humor and how you use it to keep things light.
Brenda, it's taken so much more courage to escape & find a new path in life. Thank you for showing the courage to open up about what you've gone through. You made the choice to act with the heart of a lion, strong & majestic, gentle & kind. I'm excited for you with the future you've allowed yourself to have the opportunity for that The Order can't give.
May your future be bright, filled with joy, and with a peace beyond what you've ever dared to imagine.
You both look so much alike ❤
Their cousins their dad's are half brothers
That family has strong genes. All the family members look alike.
Thanks for the podcast. I'm sorry to hear what happened to you, I hope you're doing better
Good luck nice tattoo
I'm late but I just subbed. Very brave of you to tell your story. Thank you for giving her space Amanda! You continue to be a light.
OMG!!!! I watched this episode super recently and I was really hoping that everything had turned out okay for her. I’m so glad she got out for good and didn’t check out early💗
The photo of his wives and children is wild 😮 that’s just crazy to see visually
I am truly amazed at just how Bright, Smart and Articulate each and Every One of You are!
Wow, I was in the middle of a C2C episode of you Amanda, and your video just dropped 😊
As somebody who was sexually assaulted when I was young and had to carry that secret for years, I’m really sorry that your cult treated y’all that way when you were the victims and you were still little girls.
I’m still living in an emotionally, verbally and mentally abuse household, but I’m so happy that you beat your cult, the grip that they had on you. It’s so awful, how much your father put you through, Brenda (and you, Amanda, as well). Forgive me for saying this, but Kingston men are horrible people.
The fact that you saw unaliving yourself as the logical option, Brenda, is so heartbreaking, and the way your deceased sister was dehumanized and indignated after she ended her life, is a travesty on top of a tragedy on top of a tragedy.
Thank you for opening up, and sharing your story, and trauma ❤🙏🏾.
I appreciate your support❤I am so sorry you had to deal with that for years :( I hope you have found healing❤ thank you so much for always showing so much kindness to me and the guests on my channel. I hope you can find your way in to the healthy house hold that you deserve. It can be hard to find especially while still healing heavy trauma. You seem so genuine❤ thankyou for sharing with us
@@TheAmandaRaeGrant beautiful words, from a beautiful person with a beautiful heart. Thank you 💛❤️
She is so pretty 😍
Please bring Brenda on again! It felt like you barely scratched the surface of her story and I'm really curious to hear more about the dynamics in Daniel's family and how growing up in her family differed from your experience, Amanda. Great interviews (yes I watched part II).
Join the live on Sunday! She will be answering questions❤️🫶
So much resemblance, Amanda!
Always have to watch and support the channel, you guys are so awesome and brave. Really proud of you both, life is hard enough without being born into such abuse.
Sending you guys love!!
Brenda you look really cool, your emo style is very slay, I love it. I like your shirt
I don’t have many words to say about your story that hasnt been said already bc you and your friends/siblings were dehumanized to hell LITERALLY. Just messed up, and you have impressive strength. Will be going to part 2
That disconnect isn't just from the order, my own father disowned me because I married out of my race.
Brenda, you are so resilient❤ I don’t know you, but I’m so proud of you. Despite coming from a place where you didn’t get the love you deserved, you have such a kind heart.
Ok Amanda I’m a long time watcher and this is your best hair ever!
everyone from the Order who says "Daniel" says it the same way. Y'all pronounce the first 'a' as a short vowel as in 'apple. ' It is very pronounced while the rest of the name is said quickly- it sounds like "dAnyl". Most others pronounce the same 'a' as a long vowel like 'snake.' It may be a regional thing, but I've noticed everyone from the order says it this way.
@kendralowery8622 I noticed , also. It's a fun quirk and I love hearing it. My name has an "Ann" in it and depending who I meet some regions and on the West Coast, friends will pronounce it with that quirk or twang. It's lovely. Though, of course. The individual "dAnyel" is less than l9vely. ! Thanks for making this interesting observation and leaving a comment. It always gives me a little grin in the middle of dark stories.
I think it's a Utah thing, I pronounce it the same way
Every time you bring on a family member, the resemblance is so uncanny. Brenda is super cool, excited to sub to her channel and learn more about her story!
I can’t wait to watch this later and I’ll come in with my questions. I know she is from the Mattingly line. I don’t know how I feel about the Mattinglys. I feel angry that they forced their teenage daughters into marrying gross, old men; and sad for Brenda’s grandmother who had to deal with it. I’m glad she is willing to share her story. Did Brenda reconnect with her mom’s family on the outside? How many of her siblings have left?
I believe it is just her and Allison. Thank you for always being so kind and supportive ❤❤❤❤
Yeah I'm only close with allison atm I do also love to visit Jessica, Andrea, and the other amazing women who have never been anything but supportive to me.
Thank you for answering my questions. It still baffles my mind that you, Andrea and Jessica are not only siblings but cousins because your moms are sisters.
@@jrr7312 hahaha same lol 😆
@@Snow_Crystal420 Maybe it’s because I’m an only child? On another note, I could not imagine signing my teenage daughters up for a life of involuntary servitude and single motherhood. I’m 22 and I could not imagine having kids right now.
Therapy is not just for mental illness. It is like exercise for your emotions. It is no different than going to any other doctor to make sure that you are healthy.
@keashablew7728 What an excellent observation. I promote your mesage!
Im so glad your younger cousin got out was worried about her 💜
Breana thank you for sharing! Glad you decided to not do the suicide route💕💕💕 on a completely different topic I feel like this was an apartment Eskel lived in. Is it the same place and or in the same building🤔🤔🤔🤔
It's okay to use the term "died by suicide". Rather than COMMITED, as though it is an accusation.
Thank you, cousins and sisters for talking about these painful memories.
I feel like especially in the order it was treated as committing a sin but also on the outside I have heard people discuss it in such a weird way.....I think because there are not a lot of people publicly discussing this topic. Thank you for listening and being so supportive ❤❤I appreciate you ❤❤
@TheAmandaRaeGrant You are right. I was in a similar situation in my childhood, though not as severe. You are making a difference in your sphere of influence and a phenomenal shift. I learn so much from the way you have interacted with each other. Thanks for promoting mental health therapy, as well. I so much agree that EVERY ONE who has a brain can benefit from therapy. Every Counsellor can gain positive skills from receiving therapy, too!
I have to put most videos on two times speed or I get bored. Not you have have to do normal speed take the time to listen and process everything. Sorry I haven't been commenting much. But I appreciate you and all your interviews.
Best wishes to Brenda! I can already tell by the great head on her shoulders that she’s going to thrive!
Question though…Did you cover the story about Rachel? Did I miss it?
Thank you for sharing
All my Instincts tells me to go and take that young girl away from there.😔🖤
I have been SAd as an adult, and even though I got really good help from health care and police I where a mess afterwards. For months! I where paranoid thinking he might come back, having flashbacks of him touching me etc. I didnt want sex again for a year after. I didnt even touch myself because it descusted me. Which is totally put of character I have had a good, healthy s*x life for 30 years prior to that.
Imaging going through an assault at 13! and instead of support you get blamed and scared with demons??!?
Iam so proud of you for still being alive and sane ❤️ you are an incredible person ❤
Omg, the 90s/zeros are back! Emo scene! ;D
I would rather that then the 90's trend here where all the high school kids are dressing like they are straight from the set of my so called life...all flannel button ups over mid drift tops and mom jeans....
@@denisepace3229
So, grunge? 😉
It's so nice to have all this throwback to that time, my childhood. Never expected this to happen in my lifetime. 😄
@saschamayer4050 the band tee they are also wearing says yes Nirvana, Peal Jam, Weezer and such hahaha
Re: love of mothers; without emotional maturity, it's not possible to develop a healthy attachment, even with your own child. Because most of these women marry young/become mothers before their brain is even fully developed I'm not surprised that normal development of maternal love did not take place.
I could never imagine anyone chalking my brother taking his life over anything but mental illness 😭 If you’re thinking about it. Please do not do it, your story isn’t over yet. If you need resources reach out. Whatever you’re going through will pass I promise! I’m a statistic, I shouldn’t have made it to 18,21,25 & then 30 & here I am at 32 & my life now… I wouldn’t trade my life for nothing!!! Please reach out!
Oh my, I don’t know if it’s a compliment, given the circumstances but you two look so similar! Edit - meaning - you’re both so beautiful!
34:56 Nah, he doesn’t deserve a more feminine name. I’m continually surprised no one (or two people or a small group) has deleted him yet. I won’t be surprised if I were to read that headline. Relieved, perhaps even pleased, but not surprised.
Shunning is also normal and part of rule for JWs, my mom is shunning me also. I´m dead to her. They changed shunning rule that they can finally say hi to ex members, but if you are an apostate, they still cant say greetings to you. Other similar thing is mental problems inside my excult, I knew all kind of mental things going on like cutting and eating disorders and sadly I know too many JWs that killed themselfs. JWs still dont tell victims (of things I cant typing here), go to police, they want to fix things with elders, I know some person got DF`ed, cos elders think she was the reason of that bad thing to happen. Its sad, but also good to hear my cult isnt only cult that do horrible things to people. I´m so proud of you that you give faces of all that. ❤
I knew JWs growing up, I don't know why there's a large population in Ireland. But same thing, a friend's mother was told divorcing her alcoholic, abusive husband was the worse sin but her daughter marrying a non-witness the crime the shame. Its scary how much religion covers up abuse
I had a very good friend that grew up JW. He was shunned because his wife needed and got a heart transplant so she could continue living. I can’t imagine being shunned for saving a life.
@@MaureenStevens-mh3tiI had even when I was kid no blood card with me always, only good thing that in my country they will give blood no matter what kid or parents saying if the person is under 18. They would saved me. In the past there was rule that you cant take organs from other people nowdays its fine, the only thing that you kicked out from org is blood. And sadly to say way too many JWs have died around the globe, cos not taking blood. I was kid when they had magazine cover that had pictures about teens that have died cos didnt take blood, even back then I was thinking it was horrible, that god waits that you rather die than take blood. Crazy cult, that still keeps killing its members, cos this no blood rule.
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I was recently told that the blood issue is now considered a matter of conscience. I was appalled to say the least thinking of all those who died believing what had previously been taught.
@@kimstout6419 Nowdays you can take fractals of blood , i hope its typing that way in english, I know its only my language, if you feel so but still not full blood, red or white bood cells. Atleast I know and I follow what JWs are doing and all the new light. I was still in when they changed that so it has been years when they changed that fractal thingy. So its tiny things from blood, but not real blood. I remember that one person didnt kicked out cos they gave him blood, cos he didnt fill right way his blood card and he asked forgivnes. But atleast I know its still reason to be d´f´ed if you ask blood.
Did Brenda say she was sexually assaulted, her mom and Daniel knew, and SHE got in trouble for it?!
Unfortunately that's how it happens in many cults/high demand religions. It's believed that the victim did something to draw the perpetrator's attention.
Heading you two talk about therapy made me think.... do you all remember that scene in The Sixth Sense were the little boy finally faces the ghosts that have been following him and there's a little girl in his room that scared him because she was just vomiting and looked like a zombie because she was dead, but when he went back in and faced her she said, "I feel better now."? And he realized that they weren't to be feared they needed help. That's how therapy is. That's how you all described it. You got to get a good long hard puke out and then you'll feel better. It's not fun to go through but you will come out on the other side feeling better!❤
It seems to me that when people especially girls and women who leave the order seem much more healthier after leaving. Even though I know that when some people who leave or get kicked out will start drinking or doing drugs. I’m glad Brenda’s doing well since leaving.
34:44 we do say Daniel different, maybe because in the order we gave a lot of power and respect to that name. I dont personally hear the difference, but have been told by different Daniels, 🤷 I still don't hear it. 🤮
Omg Brenda’s voice sounds just like Kollene
I remember her episode. I am glad she is out
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My great grandpa killed himself. A lot of people said he was going to hell. It pissed me off.
Ooo I’d like to know what kind of ptsd that is Amanda.
I always wondered what happened to her
Odd question: Was this video recorded recently?
yes it was
@@krystaladams4440Thanks. The reason I asked, is because Amanda said "Whenever I was..." in her intro and the background looks similar to Eskels old apartment. Just been forever since I heard that.
That's something with standard about. That's soft. You will be. Being emphasized, it's so both of the way you're saying Daniel.
Maybe ur moms are jealous in a way … that u got out and actually want to be happy
I was wondering what happened to they little sister
Daniel is such a disgusting person. Truly horrible. He needs to be, and stay, in jail.
i am a subscriber but who was amanda's father?
with all these family tree, im confused 😅
Verl Johnson
@@loyzdee92 Verl is a half brother to Daniel. Daniel’s mom is Ladonna, the favorite and legal wife. Verls mom is Isabell, the sixth wife of Ortell.
thank you :)
I can't believe how 2 people...Your Dad and Your Mom gave birth to You and many other's, yet they can't give You their last name! That's Just Wrong from the get go!
She looks like you
Okay so order ppl def pronounce their vowels differently than standard American English and it doesn't fit with regional accents either. It's not bad tho. Standard English is Dan-yul, emphasis on yul. You say dahn-yul, emphasis on dahn
ive noticed it too. Y'all DO say Daniel weird lol. It's almost like instead of pronouncing the a as you would in the word at, you almost pronounce it like an ah sound or an o sound. Dahniel. Also its kind of like you don't hit the n very hard. It's almost dah-yil
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