She wasn't sentenced to life, she was sentenced to life with the possibility of parole, a 53-year sentence is about 4x longer than most killers serve, the average time served being 13 years.
I never thought a member of the Manson Family would ever be released from prison! What a shock! After she sees how much society has changed, Leslie might feel safer in prison and want to return. At least she lived to see old age. Paul Richard wasn't allowed to take his first breath, and not a single victim lived to experience old age
U don't know the full story... just what BUGLIOSI gave in his "Show Trial!!" It was rife with lies and inaccuracies!! U must B brainwashed by the media!!
Hey, JOSH... do you have access to the "TEX WATSON" 20 hour, taped interview that occurred in Texas, before his was transferred back to L.A. to stand trial??! I'LL BET YOU DO!!! They've NEVER been released to the public... WHY NOT?! DON'T LIE like Bugliosi did, JOSHUA.
Why was that woman ever given a chance of parole? She should stay in prison for the rest of her life. The poor woman who was stabbed to death by this person lost her life, she no longer exists because of that disgusting monster, I think it’s pretty sick and twisted that “thing” gets to walk.
Whether she stabbed her before or after SHE STILL PARTICIPATED, why are people justifying her actions? Ok good she got her degree in whatever a human being is still dead wtf? She should do her time until she dies, oh well she did 50 yrs like if she shouldnt serve anymore 🙄 she deserves to stay in there. SOMEONE LOST THEIR LIFE!!
For attorneys I’m surprised that you didn’t even bring up the fact that she appealed her conviction and won. She was found guilty in a later trial but was sentenced to 7 years to life with a chance of parole. If it wasn’t such a high profile case she would have been paroled years ago.
If the victims don't get a second chance at life...neither should the killers! On the other hand, Newsome has destroyed California, she'll wish she was back in prison.
Sad she is being freed ,there were a lot of things that couldn't be charged that was done by their cult. None of them should be out of jail. All terrible people.Imo
Josh, I always enjoy your weekly Crime vids. I tend to lean a bit more on the forgiving side. All these people disgusted that she got off easy or got a break, 50 years in prison is no easy feat. She didn’t get Life without parole as you said.
I agree. Of all of the people convicted, she was least involved. Her crime was still horrific, but 53 years in prison without any behavioral issues --- earning a bachelor and master's degree.. and being elderly, at this point... she is a non-threat to society. I know the victim's families didn't want this, but I still understand the decision to release her.
@@bonniest.pierre2045 ok? And then the death penalty was found unconstitutional in the state of California. Relisten to how the sentences changed over time. ✌️
One thing ALWAYS omitted when talking about Leslie Van Houten is that she did not participate in murdering anyone. She admitted to stabbing Rosemary LaBianca 16 times, but all 16 stab wounds were postmortem. Everyone who reports on this case blasts the first part of that last sentence and never, ever includes the second. And she only participated at that point because she was forced. This is not a conspiracy theory either. The LA Coroner’s Dept. confirmed AT THE TIME OF TRIAL that indeed all of the clustered wounds on her lower back were both shallow and postmortem. The jury foreman gave an interview in which he acknowledged the jury had a problem extending the death penalty to Leslie specifically because she played no active roll in any death. The fact she was in prison for 50+ years because the media successfully Manson-branded her - making tens of millions of dollars in the process - while not reporting on what she actually did and DID NOT do is disgusting.
Lori Daybell didn't lay a hand on anyone she's been convicted of murdering. Does that mean she doesn't deserve life? This case undermines our jury system.
@@themischief420 But her name is only known due to be associated with Manson -- who had the famous actress Sharon Tate murdered. She didn't even participate that night. She would have been released a long time ago had she not been involved in this specific case. The stab wounds she inflicted were post-mortem. I am not justifying her actions and I think she deserved to serve the 53 years she has served... however, I still understand the decision to release her. Tex Watkins, Patricia Krenwinkel and Susan Atkins (if she were still alive) don't ever deserve to be released.
She should have never been allowed the possibility of parole. There’s people that committed murders when they were literal children 8-16 years of age. They got death sentences or life without parole. What she did was stab someone 16 times. I’m sorry I don’t agree with the death sentence. But absolutely life with no parole.
She didn't even participate in killing anyone. She stabbed the woman post mortem bc she was forced and the stab wounds were very shallow. She didn't wanna do it.
If only other certain people were this lucky. Many other cases I've seen where the crimes were lessor they're still in jail. Her crime was terrible. The victims had zero mercy. 😮
This is likely the unpopular belief but I'm actually glad she was released after all of these years. I was mortified when these unalivings happened but I've been following her story and her rehabilitation in prison for decades. As a practitioner in a healthcare field for the past 50 years that the population that I work with people deconstructing out of high demand religions, cults and the occult its of my opinion (of course I'm not her practitioner) is that IF she hadnt gotten in with the Mason family, the drugs etc I dont think she had a propensity of unaliving anyone, but of course thats my opinion. She has stated time and time again that she realizes the magnitude of what she did by participating. Anyway I will stop now but I thought I would just give my brief two cents. ✌️
@@BruteStrength99 nope it's because I have followed her case for decades since I was around her age when it all happened is why and because of what I do for a living and a professional opinion. I've had enough time to evolve from what my thoughts had been over the years. Reminder, she isn't completely free and on her own. Speaking of my TH-cam name, it actually only changed over the last few months as my YT "name" use to be my real name. It was changed to attempt to protect my identity online which unfortunately a lot of people don't do. The TH-cam streets is a crazy place to be. Btw she was ultimately given life with the possibility of parole and that's what happened here. Finally the justice system doing what it's suppose to be doing. ✌️
Your unability to even say the word MURDERER only proves to me that you are a sympathizer as she slashed through a living human being without a dash of remorse her only thought was to PLEASE her demented lover. Absolute trash...
Prison is for rehabilitation too. When you lock someone up, we the tax payers are responsibility for their well being and education to better themselves.
You are 100 percent right that our governor has lost his mind! He's just as evil as the criminals He's letting out of jail, and there's no stopping him. Our attempts at getting him recalled have failed, and he has goals to run for president. Gavin Newsom Was is positioned by the Getty family and other wealthy democrats to do their will, and their will only . We are ignored and told to shut up and pay our taxes.
She should not be able to profit AT ALL for all the interviews, book deals or anything else. Also, pay back tuition for her degrees. Must do community service for the rest of her life.
Krenwinkle and Watson were on another level of violence re the Tate / La Bianca murders. Van Houten was not present at the Tate slaughter, and it has been claimed that she didn’t actually murder the victim she stabbed.
And Susan Atkins was on another level of violence as well. Just vicious. She suffered a harsh death from cancer though. LVH was the least culpable. She has essentially served a life sentence - she is elderly now and repented. She's not a threat to society. There is no reason to keep her locked up.
While I know she was sentenced to death, then when commuted they did not say not eligible for parole. She was 19, heavily under the influence of LSD, was under Manson’s influence who was 35 at the time who groomed her for him to manipulate . While in prison she received 2 higher degrees and had favorable behavior in prison. I think her release makes sense.
The arrogance of people from the modern first world, makes them believe they are better and morally superior than those from the past and from second and third world countries. We’ve never been better.
Yeah. It's not death or life. But it's interesting to me also the language of "instituting an unlawful burden," or what I call "a unadjudicated burden." Here in California and all accross the country every day Americans face the unadjudicated burden of homelessness which some people could argue is so much worse than sitting in a prison with security and three meals a day. You could argue that homelessness and the eventual and inevitable horrible death that you sucumb to eventually with it because homelessness is impossible to get out of isn't even as bad as where El Chapo is in a supermax. It seems completely crazy to see California mistreat and kill mostly if not all its homeless population with zero adjudication or consideration by a judge and jury of this burden.
People need to remember that she and the others involved in the murders were not monsters. They were normal girls living their lives before they met Manson. Yes they chose to follow him knowing what his plan was, but they were very impressionable and also not sober at the time. They were definitely influenced and it doesn’t excuse way they did. Yet she has been in prison for 50 years. She’s not a threat to anyone. If she truly changed her life then she deserves to spend whatever time she has left in society. Sentencing is tricky and there definitely needs to be a solid ground in it in any case. We also need to remember that some people can change if they aren’t long gone by the time they commit a crime. There are people who go to prison for decades for crimes they didn’t commit or crimes that were not as serious as murder and they deserve to be considered for how they have changed. We need to strive for fairness in sentencing.
It wasn't your sister or niece or bff that had 16 stab wounds that lay dying with her blood pouring out all over was it just imagine the pure horror this innocent woman was put in before she actually died. Words so thoughtlessly spoken. She's dead and gone we are to speak for those who can not hopefully if this was to happen to anyone of us we should have that voice from the GRAVE...
Let whoever said she deserved Parole, have her live with them. That way if she murders anyone, it will be the one that said to let her out, and not an innocent victim.
Leslie is lucky to be alive, as she was originally sentenced to death. I hope & pray that she doesn't lose her temper one day and murder some innocent again.
you can't really talk about a 19 year old Manson girl committing these awful crimes without talking about coercive control. The justice system needs to catch up and be educated on cults and bounded choice. It appears she made a "choice" to participate, but did she? what were her other options? if the situation is "kill or be killed" that's not a choice, but a bounded choice. I hope that with her release, there were plenty of mental evaluations and a determination that her actions at 19 don't reflect her own character or desire to kill, but rather another example of cult tactics being used by monsters to get others to do horrendous things.
Correct, but she hasn't done anything while in prison to prevent her from being paroled either. She hasn't had any behavioral issues, she got two degrees and she's elderly now. What she did at age 19 and brainwashed... was horrific, but 53 years in prison without any issues - should be a reason to parole her, right?
@@clash4421 I'm sorry that I don't agree with you and that I have a higher value on life than that. If you could take another human being's life in such a violent manner, then you should expect to pay with your own. Many who have committed far less crimes have paid far higher prices in this justice system today
I think California is insane for releasing this vile murderer. It doesnt matter what age she is. That murder calls for life without parole. I think all states should parole their murderers in Cali since they want them.
Unreal with the horrific murders she was in on and worse yet the murders she enjoyed taking part in there is no way she should have been released.... but her nightmare may not be over yet karma will probably bite her is the @$$ hard and fast and Im willing to bet shes going to be a bit messed up in the head with the nightmares from her evel acts and from all her years spent in prison and theres no way she will be able to cope on the outside after all these years...guaranteed she will be having some serious anxiety and panic attacks...just saying as a psychologists point of view, my point of view...
@@Galaxie08 it doesn't matter how old they are now. Her despicable defense requested she be given the chance for parole in 20 years. She'd be potentially released at around the same age. Only to reoffend. Bullshite!
It's certainly funny that she skated by the death penalty by sheer luck and was able to eventually attain parole by technicalities. Supposedly she regrets it all now, but it took almost thirty years for her to say anything against Manson, their groups actions, or their fairy tale race war. If the Manson family crime spree happened today, all the same events unfolding, would she still walk away free in the end? This is about more than just murder of course. I may not like Newsome but she probably would have gotten parole regardless of him after being denied 20 times. It's only because the death penalty was quashed that she's even still here.
@@carriethompson84 People have pet grievances and they see life through that lens exclusively, which is why this person had to include racism where it has NO relevance. It's a terrible, bitter way to go through life. They blame all of their problems on someone else (in this case, white people), never seeing or acknowledging their hypocrisy. Sad.
@@carriethompson84it's true. Look up people sentenced to life for crack cocaine offenses. There are folks from my neighborhood still in prison since the 80s
Even if she would it killed a member of my family, I still would agree with her getting out of prison! She was 19 and brainwashed, she is certainly not the same person now! I wish her many blessings!
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Good for her ! Leslie was the only one of the Manson clan that was sincerely remorseful and deserved to get out, I know people say that crime was too heinous she doesn't deserve it her victims weren't given that chance. but she isn't a monster she's seventy five let her spend her golden years in peace she can do no more than be sorry, good for you Leslie .
My Gosh, she served over 50 years now! She was young and mislead! Enough is enough! In Europe you will found barely a prisoner who is in jail for over a half century! She paid for her crimes! If she served 70 years some people would not be satisfied, the victims won 't come back! This is just revenge and itś not about revenge but punishment! Being in prison for over 50 years is enough punishment in my view!
People have done far less than her who will NEVER get out. Look up crack cocaine drug sentences. There are folks from my neighborhood who went away in the 80s for drug charges who will NEVER get out.
@@themischief420 She has had tough times in jail for half of a century! And this isn 't still enough for the screaming crowd! Disgusting! As far as I know she wsn 't directly involved in the killings! I 'm living in Europe and murderers would never serve 50 years! No matter what! If somebody is considered being still dangerous for society they get after serving their sentence a so called term "Sicherheitsverwahrung"! It means theyĺl never get out! It 's not like being in jail , the environment is nicer but they are still incarcerated! But Leslie is not and never has been a serial killer! She was so young when they brought her in, she is punished because her life was a mess and perhaps a waste. She never married , had a family of her own , all because of this weird manson family ! I 'm certain she feels sorry what she was being part of and it 's enough now!
Really sad that we didn’t get an imput on this but she was also given job opportunities which baffles me since background checks. I would also like to point out had this be a person of color they probably wouldn’t have gotten the same treatment and rehabilitation would have been harder for them. Why is it that a murderer had better rehab options yet those that do lesser charges like drug use cannot get into rehab programs. It smells really fishy to me and feels racist but that’s the justice system 🎉🎉🎉
The system tends to go easier on women. It usually sees them as dominated by men, acting out of fear or out of a need to please. While i doubt this woman will commit another murder, I would never have let her out. Why take the chance?
Because Krenwinkel took an active role in the Tate-LaBianca murders. She killed Abigail Folger... then the next night, she went on the killing spree and killed Rosemary LaBianca. LVH wasn't there for the "Tate" murders --- she did participate in the LaBianca murders but stabbed Rosemary post-mortem. She was already dead by Krenwinkel's stabs. It is heinous, but after 53 years in prison.. the parole board didn't believe she was a threat to society, so they granted her parole. She is elderly now anyway.
not defending this release, but it's important to bite how many other brutal murderers have been released. because they weren't so publicized no I've seems to get upset by them. The new compassionate release in California already has a murderer who was acop is being released to start with another retired cop, withy apparently no overseeing protocol
Arguements left and right about what 'Justice' should be served upon her. Here's one thing that is 'unJustifiable': Capital punishment. It sends a message that ''ending a person's life" is a solution to a problem. Don't we All have problems? Whatcha going to do about it? Maybe invest in a better future? Just my 2c..
ARE Y'ALL REALLY SERIOUS?? If y'all don't put her back in jail right now🗣 That poor couple was just at home minding their own business and for that they died!!😢 She is a mansion family member which makes her guilty for EVERY crime they committed! Y'all are sooo selectively delusional it's so sad to watch & listen 😮 she suppose to spend the rest of her natural life in prison end of story.
I never understand how prisoners who get life in prison just get like free degrees. Like wow that'd be great to have free education, but I'm not willing to commit murder for it.
If your not going to execute someone, for whatever reason, her sentence should automatically be a life sentence. It makes the death sentence meaningless. I was married at 19. I worked and went to Community College part time. If she took drugs and killed someone, it’s on her. No one made her take drugs or kill anyone.
Why didn’t she given life “without” possibility of parole. She made bad choices that took the life of a woman who did’t get to live her precious life. California is soft on crime and thus criminals actually get away with murder.
@@lovespurpleflowers Uh, you do know that YT is international. If you mean 'liberal' in a political sense, sorry. And I don't mix my personal perspectives regarding life with politics anyway. Bye bye.
@@themischief420 this coming from you. Hahaha! Look at all that stuff on your face.. that is embarrassing. One piercing is not enough and your face looking like a pin cushion just makes your comment that much more pleasant to read. 😊
@@Galaxie08 All right, keep your racism off-camera. Any Green Man comments? Look if you can't figure out that you're talking to someone in an institution then maybe you should be here and me out there somewhere. By the way, Yayajujubean says hello? Is that you in cell5 B?
Dear: Josh, Elvis Presley's twin brother Jessie Presley the first born male child is is "NOT" buried at Graceland with the Presley family members, the reason being they cannot find the body or the Grave of Jessie Presley, will Jessie Presley be "ONE" of the Great Signs from heaven spoken of in the book of (St.luke 21;11) "And Great Signs shall there be from Heaven", The coming of Jessie Presley is the coming of "Big Brother", will these signs from heaven initiate a ""Revelation" ? Fool's we should have knowen, "Sincerely Your's", Joe Mankiewicz, "The Prophet"..
As much as I would like to live in a world where everyone is civil and lives under civil society, being the victim of a horrific crime opened my eyes to the reality that we live in a society that's very dangerous. The idealistic past and pre victim me pushed hard for an enlightened era and the end of harsh punishments like the death penalty but it's now no longer my opinion. There is true evil out there like gangsters who are ALL without a single exception depraved souls with an insatiable need for violence. The death penalty is given in other states to people who commit only one murder. Gangsters each commit thousands and live a life of unlimited and sick violence. It is under this that I resubmit that we have to open up to the idea of reinstituting the death penalty for gangsters. It is absolutely a deterrent. I submit that eveey state of our nation should immediately institute an automatic life sentence with the death penalty for all gangsters. See the brutal murder of the Uber Eats driver. Or the senseless stabbing to death of a senior Asian woman just exercising at the park in San Diego.
If you're sentenced to life, that's what you should serve. She gets released because she's old now? Her victims should have been so lucky.
SHE SERVED LIFE PLUS
50 plus years is basically a life sentence , so calm down Princess
@@BLACK70Z GOOD
@@SirHumphrey498 🤣
She wasn't sentenced to life, she was sentenced to life with the possibility of parole, a 53-year sentence is about 4x longer than most killers serve, the average time served being 13 years.
She should never been released!! Evil being who showed no mercy whatsoever!!!
So you are an evil being with no mercy whatsoever and suggest we be the same? Or what do you mean by this comment?
yeah June , what do you mean by this comment. Isn't 53 years long enough for you. she was locked up at 19 and released at 72 , she paid her price
So Jesus shouldn't forgive you for all of your wrongs. Lol. You aren't perfect.
@@SirHumphrey498 Tell that to Rosemary's family.
@@SirHumphrey498they should have all been hanged by the neck until dead!
I never thought a member of the Manson Family would ever be released from prison! What a shock! After she sees how much society has changed, Leslie might feel safer in prison and want to return.
At least she lived to see old age. Paul Richard wasn't allowed to take his first breath, and not a single victim lived to experience old age
I didn't either. I remember watching the reports of the trial on the news and reading the book, Helter Skelter not long after it came out.
My thought exactly
U don't know the full story... just what BUGLIOSI gave in his "Show Trial!!" It was rife with lies and inaccuracies!! U must B brainwashed by the media!!
Hey, JOSH... do you have access to the "TEX WATSON" 20 hour, taped interview that occurred in Texas, before his was transferred back to L.A. to stand trial??! I'LL BET YOU DO!!! They've NEVER been released to the public... WHY NOT?! DON'T LIE like Bugliosi did, JOSHUA.
Why was that woman ever given a chance of parole? She should stay in prison for the rest of her life. The poor woman who was stabbed to death by this person lost her life, she no longer exists because of that disgusting monster, I think it’s pretty sick and twisted that “thing” gets to walk.
Should have never been released! I don’t care if she has more degrees than a thermometer, the only place she belongs is locked up!
Whether she stabbed her before or after SHE STILL PARTICIPATED, why are people justifying her actions? Ok good she got her degree in whatever a human being is still dead wtf? She should do her time until she dies, oh well she did 50 yrs like if she shouldnt serve anymore 🙄 she deserves to stay in there. SOMEONE LOST THEIR LIFE!!
For attorneys I’m surprised that you didn’t even bring up the fact that she appealed her conviction and won. She was found guilty in a later trial but was sentenced to 7 years to life with a chance of parole. If it wasn’t such a high profile case she would have been paroled years ago.
If the victims don't get a second chance at life...neither should the killers! On the other hand, Newsome has destroyed California, she'll wish she was back in prison.
Thanks for the upload❤
Sad she is being freed ,there were a lot of things that couldn't be charged that was done by their cult. None of them should be out of jail. All terrible people.Imo
She doesn't have the skill too make it
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Got master in prison least she did something in prison
She got her masters degree in prison, she is doing better than 60% of the people out of prison lol
Josh, I always enjoy your weekly Crime vids. I tend to lean a bit more on the forgiving side. All these people disgusted that she got off easy or got a break, 50 years in prison is no easy feat. She didn’t get Life without parole as you said.
Exactly! ✌️
I agree. Of all of the people convicted, she was least involved. Her crime was still horrific, but 53 years in prison without any behavioral issues --- earning a bachelor and master's degree.. and being elderly, at this point... she is a non-threat to society. I know the victim's families didn't want this, but I still understand the decision to release her.
She, and the others, got the Death Penalty. The jury never intended for them to be released.
@@bonniest.pierre2045 ok? And then the death penalty was found unconstitutional in the state of California. Relisten to how the sentences changed over time. ✌️
This is nuts...if someone takes a life's .they Shouldn't be released,Can't bring the victim back!! Eye for a eye
One thing ALWAYS omitted when talking about Leslie Van Houten is that she did not participate in murdering anyone. She admitted to stabbing Rosemary LaBianca 16 times, but all 16 stab wounds were postmortem. Everyone who reports on this case blasts the first part of that last sentence and never, ever includes the second. And she only participated at that point because she was forced.
This is not a conspiracy theory either. The LA Coroner’s Dept. confirmed AT THE TIME OF TRIAL that indeed all of the clustered wounds on her lower back were both shallow and postmortem. The jury foreman gave an interview in which he acknowledged the jury had a problem extending the death penalty to Leslie specifically because she played no active roll in any death.
The fact she was in prison for 50+ years because the media successfully Manson-branded her - making tens of millions of dollars in the process - while not reporting on what she actually did and DID NOT do is disgusting.
I think you're disgusting that you could accept someone stabbing a dead body 16 times.
Manson didn't participate on any murder either, did he? He didn't stab anybody in the back 16 times, dead or alive.
Lori Daybell didn't lay a hand on anyone she's been convicted of murdering. Does that mean she doesn't deserve life? This case undermines our jury system.
I think that she should become a "journalist" on CNN.
What a shame. Oh well.
Great, thorough and informative episode. I appreciate the quality of the discussion
I remember the manson murders. They should not be released. If she becomes a celebrity I will be angry.
She already is a celebrity. That's why everyone is against this woman. If it had not been rich famous people murdered, no one would give a darn.
@@debschroeder7637ah yes because the only murder cases that ever get shared include famous people. (sarcasm btw)
@@themischief420 But her name is only known due to be associated with Manson -- who had the famous actress Sharon Tate murdered. She didn't even participate that night. She would have been released a long time ago had she not been involved in this specific case. The stab wounds she inflicted were post-mortem. I am not justifying her actions and I think she deserved to serve the 53 years she has served... however, I still understand the decision to release her. Tex Watkins, Patricia Krenwinkel and Susan Atkins (if she were still alive) don't ever deserve to be released.
She should have never been allowed the possibility of parole. There’s people that committed murders when they were literal children 8-16 years of age. They got death sentences or life without parole. What she did was stab someone 16 times. I’m sorry I don’t agree with the death sentence. But absolutely life with no parole.
how many 8 year olds have been sentenced to death , just curious
She didn't even participate in killing anyone. She stabbed the woman post mortem bc she was forced and the stab wounds were very shallow. She didn't wanna do it.
If only other certain people were this lucky. Many other cases I've seen where the crimes were lessor they're still in jail. Her crime was terrible. The victims had zero mercy. 😮
One of the videos I really look forward to each week ❤
I wonder how she will help herself while out. Will she be able to get social security at her age now? Does she still have family or any income
This is likely the unpopular belief but I'm actually glad she was released after all of these years. I was mortified when these unalivings happened but I've been following her story and her rehabilitation in prison for decades. As a practitioner in a healthcare field for the past 50 years that the population that I work with people deconstructing out of high demand religions, cults and the occult its of my opinion (of course I'm not her practitioner) is that IF she hadnt gotten in with the Mason family, the drugs etc I dont think she had a propensity of unaliving anyone, but of course thats my opinion. She has stated time and time again that she realizes the magnitude of what she did by participating. Anyway I will stop now but I thought I would just give my brief two cents. ✌️
Your title says hippy. Don't take this the wrong way but could your feelings be because you relate to her? Just a question
@@BruteStrength99 nope it's because I have followed her case for decades since I was around her age when it all happened is why and because of what I do for a living and a professional opinion. I've had enough time to evolve from what my thoughts had been over the years. Reminder, she isn't completely free and on her own. Speaking of my TH-cam name, it actually only changed over the last few months as my YT "name" use to be my real name. It was changed to attempt to protect my identity online which unfortunately a lot of people don't do. The TH-cam streets is a crazy place to be. Btw she was ultimately given life with the possibility of parole and that's what happened here. Finally the justice system doing what it's suppose to be doing. ✌️
@@HippyMiMi good answer
"unalivings" are you a 15 year old on TikTok
this is literally a video about murders. you can fucking say murder oh my god
Your unability to even say the word MURDERER only proves to me that you are a sympathizer as she slashed through a living human being without a dash of remorse her only thought was to PLEASE her demented lover. Absolute trash...
Mason died in prison, so should of his followers. Plus she got an education in prison for free, while I struggled to pay for my college degree.
Judgmental and jealous 🤣
Prison is for rehabilitation too. When you lock someone up, we the tax payers are responsibility for their well being and education to better themselves.
Excellent show!!
Ridiculous to release her
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Wow! I remember those murders. I can’t believe they let her out of prison. She got the death penalty. She should never be out of prison.
Death sentence is God work
She doesn't deserve her freedom.
Did u know she didn't actually kill anyone?
She still PARTICIPATED whether she did it or not she was there 🙄
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So then are they saying that our "rehabilitation" centers don't work?
She should not be able to profit AT ALL for all the interviews, book deals or anything else. Also, pay back tuition for her degrees. Must do community service for the rest of her life.
I really enjoyed the guest and her input. Another great episode.
At least if y'all kill them, we won't have to pay for them to be in jail.
The D penalty is a lot more costly than life in prison even if the person lived to be 500 years old lol
Krenwinkle and Watson were on another level of violence re the Tate / La Bianca murders.
Van Houten was not present at the Tate slaughter, and it has been claimed that she didn’t actually murder the victim she stabbed.
You know how many people got life sentences in the 80s for crack cocaine convictions. She gets out but they have to stay?
And Susan Atkins was on another level of violence as well. Just vicious. She suffered a harsh death from cancer though. LVH was the least culpable. She has essentially served a life sentence - she is elderly now and repented. She's not a threat to society. There is no reason to keep her locked up.
While I know she was sentenced to death, then when commuted they did not say not eligible for parole. She was 19, heavily under the influence of LSD, was under Manson’s influence who was 35 at the time who groomed her for him to manipulate . While in prison she received 2 higher degrees and had favorable behavior in prison. I think her release makes sense.
Really enjoyed listening to her.
Thanks for the upload!
Lets not taken lives save lives..in this world we need to show we're better especially to our children
The arrogance of people from the modern first world, makes them believe they are better and morally superior than those from the past and from second and third world countries. We’ve never been better.
Yeah. It's not death or life. But it's interesting to me also the language of "instituting an unlawful burden," or what I call "a unadjudicated burden." Here in California and all accross the country every day Americans face the unadjudicated burden of homelessness which some people could argue is so much worse than sitting in a prison with security and three meals a day. You could argue that homelessness and the eventual and inevitable horrible death that you sucumb to eventually with it because homelessness is impossible to get out of isn't even as bad as where El Chapo is in a supermax. It seems completely crazy to see California mistreat and kill mostly if not all its homeless population with zero adjudication or consideration by a judge and jury of this burden.
NEVER should have been released, ask the LaBianca family how they feel about this RIDICULOUS choice. SHAME on our JUDICIAL system.
Agree,that's the right thing.
People need to remember that she and the others involved in the murders were not monsters. They were normal girls living their lives before they met Manson. Yes they chose to follow him knowing what his plan was, but they were very impressionable and also not sober at the time. They were definitely influenced and it doesn’t excuse way they did. Yet she has been in prison for 50 years. She’s not a threat to anyone. If she truly changed her life then she deserves to spend whatever time she has left in society. Sentencing is tricky and there definitely needs to be a solid ground in it in any case. We also need to remember that some people can change if they aren’t long gone by the time they commit a crime. There are people who go to prison for decades for crimes they didn’t commit or crimes that were not as serious as murder and they deserve to be considered for how they have changed. We need to strive for fairness in sentencing.
It wasn't your sister or niece or bff that had 16 stab wounds that lay dying with her blood pouring out all over was it just imagine the pure horror this innocent woman was put in before she actually died. Words so thoughtlessly spoken. She's dead and gone we are to speak for those who can not hopefully if this was to happen to anyone of us we should have that voice from the GRAVE...
I don’t agree with the release of the person that killed people in ‘the Manson murders.’ What about the victims, they are gone forever!
Let whoever said she deserved Parole, have her live with them. That way if she murders anyone, it will be the one that said to let her out, and not an innocent victim.
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Its not about deserving, they would have looked worse for denying someone who meets all the criteria to be granted parole
@@chikensaregood9500imagine caring about the way it "looks" instead of whether it's deserved or not
@@themischief420 well thats clearly what happened here so whats ur point lol
@@chikensaregood9500 nice priorities 🤣
I cannot believe they let Leslie Van Houten out of prison that is so wrong
Leslie is lucky to be alive, as she was originally sentenced to death. I hope & pray that she doesn't lose her temper one day and murder some innocent again.
Good point!! What can you do in prison except eat, sleep & study?
you can't really talk about a 19 year old Manson girl committing these awful crimes without talking about coercive control. The justice system needs to catch up and be educated on cults and bounded choice. It appears she made a "choice" to participate, but did she? what were her other options? if the situation is "kill or be killed" that's not a choice, but a bounded choice.
I hope that with her release, there were plenty of mental evaluations and a determination that her actions at 19 don't reflect her own character or desire to kill, but rather another example of cult tactics being used by monsters to get others to do horrendous things.
Her even being there was choice.
To go from Death to parole...I swear some people have all the advantages
i am new here but I am really enjoying the videos and the info.
A possibility of parole does not ensure mandatory parole. Those are two different things.
Correct, but she hasn't done anything while in prison to prevent her from being paroled either. She hasn't had any behavioral issues, she got two degrees and she's elderly now. What she did at age 19 and brainwashed... was horrific, but 53 years in prison without any issues - should be a reason to parole her, right?
@@clash4421 I'm sorry that I don't agree with you and that I have a higher value on life than that. If you could take another human being's life in such a violent manner, then you should expect to pay with your own. Many who have committed far less crimes have paid far higher prices in this justice system today
How come Kasabian got off free years ago for signing up to Bugliosis myth!?
I wonder if Lesley is still paying off her student loans like I am
They probably get everything free!
I think California is insane for releasing this vile murderer. It doesnt matter what age she is. That murder calls for life without parole. I think all states should parole their murderers in Cali since they want them.
Unreal with the horrific murders she was in on and worse yet the murders she enjoyed taking part in there is no way she should have been released.... but her nightmare may not be over yet karma will probably bite her is the @$$ hard and fast and Im willing to bet shes going to be a bit messed up in the head with the nightmares from her evel acts and from all her years spent in prison and theres no way she will be able to cope on the outside after all these years...guaranteed she will be having some serious anxiety and panic attacks...just saying as a psychologists point of view, my point of view...
So does this mean the Daybells can be released in 50 years? Life should mean life.
How old are they NOW?
@@Galaxie08 it doesn't matter how old they are now. Her despicable defense requested she be given the chance for parole in 20 years. She'd be potentially released at around the same age. Only to reoffend. Bullshite!
@@dawnvarty657 Um.. you wrote 50 years, not 20. Big difference.
Bye.
It's certainly funny that she skated by the death penalty by sheer luck and was able to eventually attain parole by technicalities. Supposedly she regrets it all now, but it took almost thirty years for her to say anything against Manson, their groups actions, or their fairy tale race war. If the Manson family crime spree happened today, all the same events unfolding, would she still walk away free in the end? This is about more than just murder of course. I may not like Newsome but she probably would have gotten parole regardless of him after being denied 20 times. It's only because the death penalty was quashed that she's even still here.
Lucked out? Surely she was in luck to make parole?
SHE'S CAUCASION, THAT'S WHY SHE GOT RELEASED. PLENTY OF OTHERS WHO'S CRIMES WEREN'T AS BAD STILL WON'T GET RELEASED.
Learn about the case and the fact that she didn't kill anyone b4 running ur mouth.
@@carriethompson84 LEARN ABOUT RACISM IN THE WORLD , ESPECIALLY HERE IN AMERICA AND YOU MIGHT JUST GET WHAT I’M SAYING!
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@@carriethompson84 People have pet grievances and they see life through that lens exclusively, which is why this person had to include racism where it has NO relevance. It's a terrible, bitter way to go through life. They blame all of their problems on someone else (in this case, white people), never seeing or acknowledging their hypocrisy. Sad.
@@carriethompson84it's true. Look up people sentenced to life for crack cocaine offenses. There are folks from my neighborhood still in prison since the 80s
Your race card has been denied please use another form of argument.🤣🤣
Even if she would it killed a member of my family, I still would agree with her getting out of prison! She was 19 and brainwashed, she is certainly not the same person now! I wish her many blessings!
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Good for her ! Leslie was the only one of the Manson clan that was sincerely remorseful and deserved to get out, I know people say that crime was too heinous she doesn't deserve it her victims weren't given that chance. but she isn't a monster she's seventy five let her spend her golden years in peace she can do no more than be sorry, good for you Leslie .
the victims never got to spend their golden years anywhere. let her rot.
Firing squad would have been appropriate for all of them, they stabbed a eight month pregnant Sharon Tate, with no remorse!
Great show. Covered a lot of thoughts I’ve had concerning LVH release and the death penalty. And Sha trial also. Thanks💕
My Gosh, she served over 50 years now! She was young and mislead! Enough is enough! In Europe you will found barely a prisoner who is in jail for over a half century! She paid for her crimes! If she served 70 years some people would not be satisfied, the victims won 't come back! This is just revenge and itś not about revenge but punishment! Being in prison for over 50 years is enough punishment in my view!
People have done far less than her who will NEVER get out. Look up crack cocaine drug sentences. There are folks from my neighborhood who went away in the 80s for drug charges who will NEVER get out.
@@BruteStrength99 And because of that you don 't want her being released? Come on give me a break!
@sabine4759 yeah. A drug dealer vs. a murderer. No comparison
imagine, she served 50 years that her victims never fucking got.
@@themischief420 She has had tough times in jail for half of a century! And this isn 't still enough for the screaming crowd! Disgusting! As far as I know she wsn 't directly involved in the killings!
I 'm living in Europe and murderers would never serve 50 years! No matter what! If somebody is considered being still dangerous for society they get after serving their sentence a so called term "Sicherheitsverwahrung"! It means theyĺl never get out! It 's not like being in jail , the environment is nicer but they are still incarcerated! But Leslie is not and never has been a serial killer! She was so young when they brought her in, she is punished because her life was a mess and perhaps a waste. She never married , had a family of her own , all because of this weird manson family ! I 'm certain she feels sorry what she was being part of and it 's enough now!
Really sad that we didn’t get an imput on this but she was also given job opportunities which baffles me since background checks. I would also like to point out had this be a person of color they probably wouldn’t have gotten the same treatment and rehabilitation would have been harder for them. Why is it that a murderer had better rehab options yet those that do lesser charges like drug use cannot get into rehab programs. It smells really fishy to me and feels racist but that’s the justice system 🎉🎉🎉
I can’t believe they kept Charlie til the end.
Only in California can this be real
Who would want Leslie Van Houten living next door to them where is she going to go no one wants her around
The system tends to go easier on women. It usually sees them as dominated by men, acting out of fear or out of a need to please. While i doubt this woman will commit another murder, I would never have let her out. Why take the chance?
How come the other mansion female that is in prison still, hasn't been released?
Because Krenwinkel took an active role in the Tate-LaBianca murders. She killed Abigail Folger... then the next night, she went on the killing spree and killed Rosemary LaBianca. LVH wasn't there for the "Tate" murders --- she did participate in the LaBianca murders but stabbed Rosemary post-mortem. She was already dead by Krenwinkel's stabs. It is heinous, but after 53 years in prison.. the parole board didn't believe she was a threat to society, so they granted her parole. She is elderly now anyway.
not defending this release, but it's important to bite how many other brutal murderers have been released. because they weren't so publicized no I've seems to get upset by them. The new compassionate release in California already has a murderer who was acop is being released to start with another retired cop, withy apparently no overseeing protocol
Arguements left and right about what 'Justice' should be served upon her. Here's one thing that is 'unJustifiable': Capital punishment. It sends a message that ''ending a person's life" is a solution to a problem. Don't we All have problems? Whatcha going to do about it? Maybe invest in a better future? Just my 2c..
ARE Y'ALL REALLY SERIOUS?? If y'all don't put her back in jail right now🗣
That poor couple was just at home minding their own business and for that they died!!😢 She is a mansion family member which makes her guilty for EVERY crime they committed! Y'all are sooo selectively delusional it's so sad to watch & listen 😮
she suppose to spend the rest of her natural life in prison end of story.
No person ever involved in a murder in anyway should never go free!
She should have been put down decades ago.
I never understand how prisoners who get life in prison just get like free degrees. Like wow that'd be great to have free education, but I'm not willing to commit murder for it.
There should be certain crimes that should not be eligible for parole. Mass killings, serial killings, habitual sex offenders, human trafficking, etc.
THANK GOODNESS Leslie has finally been released!
Maybe as long as if she harms another person again, the lead judge should be sentenced to serve time too.
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If your not going to execute someone, for whatever reason, her sentence should automatically be a life sentence. It makes the death sentence meaningless. I was married at 19. I worked and went to Community College part time. If she took drugs and killed someone, it’s on her. No one made her take drugs or kill anyone.
Unless you can bring your victims back to life, there’s nothing you could do or say in prison to make up for it.
Why didn’t she given life “without” possibility of parole. She made bad choices that took the life of a woman who did’t get to live her precious life. California is soft on crime and thus criminals actually get away with murder.
She didn't get away with it.
You think prison is a cakewalk?
@@Galaxie08she made her choices, your liberal views are senseless!
@@lovespurpleflowers Uh, you do know that YT is international. If you mean 'liberal' in a political sense, sorry.
And I don't mix my personal perspectives regarding life with politics anyway. Bye bye.
Unionjack84 I thought the same also.
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Unreal. Yet Leonard Peltier still sits in prison and no proof he was the shooter.
How old is she now
72
I have a poem written by Leslie and also a Charles Manson record.
way to embarrass yourself
@@themischief420 this coming from you. Hahaha! Look at all that stuff on your face.. that is embarrassing. One piercing is not enough and your face looking like a pin cushion just makes your comment that much more pleasant to read. 😊
So, so you have a secret crush on the Night Stalker, Ted Bundy, the Golden State Killer, how lovely?
One of the main reason she is out is because this is the state of the criminal system in California.
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That kind of eye makeup, the wing , the blending 😱 . She is very much competent 💯
She should have had the DP reinstated. I don't care to hear a word from her.
She would be a shoe-in for a political position in California. A perfect fit.
Ah, the GOP trolls are out.
@@Galaxie08 Actually I'm an Ogre, not a Troll. No need to be racist here. Save the racism for the cameras.
@@joedushof64street79 ??? That makes only sense in your alternate reality. And I have no plans nor reasons to be on camera. Bye bye.
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@@Galaxie08being liberal is like having a mental defect, do you? This is not a political discussion so wise up!
What about LISK?
What about him? Is this your channel as you seem to want to choose the topics.
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If it’s for life that’s what it should be period. What if she retaliates with new members that she recruits
Leave it to Csli to screw things up as usual.
As much as I would like to live in a world where everyone is civil and lives under civil society, being the victim of a horrific crime opened my eyes to the reality that we live in a society that's very dangerous. The idealistic past and pre victim me pushed hard for an enlightened era and the end of harsh punishments like the death penalty but it's now no longer my opinion. There is true evil out there like gangsters who are ALL without a single exception depraved souls with an insatiable need for violence. The death penalty is given in other states to people who commit only one murder. Gangsters each commit thousands and live a life of unlimited and sick violence. It is under this that I resubmit that we have to open up to the idea of reinstituting the death penalty for gangsters. It is absolutely a deterrent. I submit that eveey state of our nation should immediately institute an automatic life sentence with the death penalty for all gangsters. See the brutal murder of the Uber Eats driver. Or the senseless stabbing to death of a senior Asian woman just exercising at the park in San Diego.
Is it luck? Or was the law applied?