3d printed nano longrange FPV drone
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 มิ.ย. 2024
- This is a simple 3d printed frame for a single 18650 powered FPV drone. The frame weighs only 10g, overall weight including 18650 Li-Ion battery is around 97g. Flight times are +19min. I think it is feasible to get well over 20min as the temperature was around 5°C during the test, I stayed on the stock PIDs and the VTX was set to 100mW.
Get the free .stl on thingiverse: www.thingiverse.com/thing:474...
0:00-0:13 3d printing the frame
0:14-0:37 evolution of the frame design
0:38-0:51 frame preparation and weight
0:52-1:07 overview of parts
1:08-1:32 preparing the flight controller
1:33-2:19 installing the flight controller
2:20-2:31 installing RX antennas
2:32-2:45 installing Caddx Ant
2:46-3:13 installing motors
3:14-4:03 weight and battery options
4:04-4:54 first flight with fail safe
4:55-6:18 +19min flight on 18650
6:19-7:20 8:30min flight on Lipo
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“Long range”-further than I want to walk to retrieve.
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Super Awesome Job and GR8 Video .... 1min56sec in and I had to compliment this video 🤙🏻 ... I will now watch the rest - Thanks Again
Awesome video Man - 20mins flight times! You hammered that 18650 though!
Nice Work! It is a very elegant tidy frame. I look forward to building one. Its the perfect design for a Glow in the Dark PLA frame! Thank you so much for this design and build! Cheers!
Nice idea.
Great job man, suggested this on a vid with the Beta85, then saw DaveC FPV and now you doing it! Great to see the community has alike minds!
Thanks! Rules are similar all over the world, so this is one of the directions our hobby is heading to.
Very impressive! Well done.
Pretty cool. So many mini quads have a flight time of about 4 minutes, which just isn't enough time to learn anything, other than to learn how to swap a battery out! And it's well within the 250g license limit as well.
I don't have a 3D printer but now that I saw your video I wish I had one.
Great video!
An Ender 3 can be bought for just over 200 USD on Amazon. Sometimes less if you can grab a sale. They are a game changer for anyone who does FPV. The Ender 3 is a great printer with a huge following.
@@Vaeloron i'll wait for the stimulus check! lol
Thank you it looks good 👍🏼
Will have a go 3D printing my next frame. Just lost my carbon framed + transparent prop 3" nano long range drone in a field of dirt. I now see the advantage of bright colours..
Nice little project. Well done.
Thank you :-)
nice work Kurt!! On my channel I did 29min51sec with geprc 1202 10000kv with same FC, same props. Acro mode. AH I read the description, the 5Celcius IS the issue. Keep it up because I finish my new design to beat 30min! Good luck!
Wow very very impresive!!
Excellent video
astonishing..... great 💪work
My first drones were 3d printed, 10 years ago! Great way to start😎
That’s awesome man
Think I will try making one of these with pla+. The extra flexibility should make it much more impact resistant.
go for 20% infill. 7.7grams and yet robust enough!
That's slick!
nice! good job
wow..love to have a 3d printer and print some of those frame
3D printers have gotten incredibly cheap and easy to use. If you can afford FPV then a 3D printer is just about the cost of another low to mid range drone.
I'll print some for you if you like,
Nice, I'm working on drones that can find and collect cigarette ends.
I have the idea of using supercapacitors as mechanical frame to reduce weight.
Erik you can't say that and not give us more info!! It sounds like a good idea. Any videos planned :-)
@@andyspoo2 I'm proposing to bulid a custom capacitor in the rounded shape of the ground plate. Use copper band on rolls, cut the form out, same with thin plastic as for litter bags and use, no joke, Johnson's baby oil (mineral oil) as dielectricum for prototyping a ground plate...
If you make a bigger knife for the plastic, you can weld the edges togeher. No air inside!
There mustn't be any sharp edges in the form because of the corona effect. Make a stance/bended knife to speed up prototyping. Fast recharging within seconds will be possible at the con of a shorter flight time available.
Really COOL ! !
Very good !
I tried a similar project. A long time ago, with coreless motors. I was at full throttle most of the time just to maintain a hover. My run time actually decreased with a 18650.
Excellent!!!
You think, i can put an caddx vista on top? :D
It's nice, but for me a minimum HD or 4K camera is a must on a long range. That being said, it certainly is nice to not have to swap your batteries every 3 minutes. I am also not sure if I like the whole "structural flight controller" thing, because when it crashes, it will also take part of the impact. Why did you ditch the first designs? Too heavy?
NIce design 😎. I think that you need to reupload your OSD font (with a LiPo connected). Your crosshair looks like it got chopped by the props 😁.
lol and I was wondering what the advantages of a 3 arrow crosshair are
That’s awesome! Subscribed! May I ask what is the model of the transmitter you are using?
frsky xlite
@@Unboxingexperience7 thank you
Really nice build! Distracted by the wrist. GMT?
submariner
Lower right corner is Amp draw? I would love to see some LOS footage and punch out. Nice done!
But it is not properly calibrated. You can expect around 6A draw and 2600mAh usage over a 20min flight.
@@Unboxingexperience7 Thanks!
Did you drained the Li-Po really down to 2.3V? Seems excessive for the load of the lipo - and then are the flight times not meaningful. otherwise great video!
sure. but I only bought this lipo for this use. however, it is not usable with its low C rating. voltage sag is to high. but i learned that the crazybeex cut off voltage is around 2.25v so there is no need for a step up module!
Now add a Crossfire Nano RX to it!
Would be possible to make autonomous flight like on parrot drones?
I don't know where you are correct me if I am wrong but I thought in Canada it's all up weight not just the drone so that would put it well over the 50gram limit. that's a sweet little drone, I gave up flying cause of Canadian law
The law states 250g..... Not 50
Nice frame... friends don't let friends fly in angle mode though! You'll probably get even more flight time without the quad fighting you the whole time.
Thanks for the tip! I though it would be more efficient...
That entirely depends on the drone and what you are trying to achieve. Small drones/whoops are angle/horizon mode drones. They will actually fly better and longer this way, as they don't have the weight and power to control them properly in acro, and you will only be fighting yourself. Cinewhoops can go either way depending on the shot. Indoors or making a mostly straight shot with maybe an orbit will look best on angle mode and require less post processing magic to clean it up. However if you want to dive and roll around objects, acro is going to look smoother.
@@JasonEllingsworth You're kidding yourself... Whoops are flown in angle mode because of the tight spaces and slower roll rate.
Anyone who makes money flying cinewhoops flies in acro. Any form of cinematic flying in angle mode will always look robotic and not flow as nicely because the angle limiting that is restrics the quad to preset tilt angles fights the natural flow of the quad.
Angle mode/horizon mode makes constant corrections to maintain attitude. Acro mode simply acts on the stick input and then remains in that position until another input is received. The additional corrections is what causes angle and horizon mode to use more power.
Please make sure what you're saying has actual truth and fact behind it rather than your own assumption/opinion before trying to correct someone.
If been doing this stuff for a long long time. I've tried every way of doing things and I'm not afraid of being wrong because I'd rather be wrong and then have a better outcome, than be stubborn and continue to do something when there is a potentially better way to do things.
@@ryanokeefe12 calm down loser
@@JasonEllingsworth solid response.. next time, don't try to correct someone when you don't have a clue... It's also weird that you like your own comments.
Good Job👏👏👏👏👏🔥🔥🚀
Could you let me know how I could get some of those round black cylinder batteries. Thanks!
it s a sony vct06. i made a video th-cam.com/video/3yTNZdBAjqk/w-d-xo.html
Imagine how much weight you'd save if you removed all the connectors and soldered everything. And used aluminum screws, incorporated antenna guides into the frame
Actually you would be surprised at the insignificance of this said weight difference we are literally talking about a gram if even that
@@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs Nope, you're incorrect. Soldering EVERYTHING would dramatically decrease weight as the GNB27 wouldn't be needed. In addition to that, a few grams is monumentally important for a build of this size.
@@flightevolution8132 have you ever weighed these connectors? I have and it takes 5 of them to equal a gram so we are literally talking less then a gram of savings here and that isnt taking into account solder is incredibly heavy as well and most people use too much of it.
Interesting idea. This inspired me to I throw a high drain 18650 on a Tinyhawk Freestyle. I'm only getting a few minutes before I'm down to 3.2V but as soon as I land it's bouncing back to 4V. Might have to find some other cells. Did you see any damage from pulling them this low?
You could use a high discharge cell. Often the Murata/Sony VTC6 is used, it can be discharged to 2.5V in flight without any problem, according to data sheet even to 2.0V (but at very low amps only). As Li-Ion cells work at a much wider voltage band than Lipos, it is also recommend to adjust the Betaflight voltage warning settings accordingly. Good luck!
@Disco Volante Thanks I didn't know the min voltage could be that low! The 20 amp rated Samsung cells I tried sagged just too quickly. Anything below 3.1V and hover becomes impossible with this setup. I picked up some Vapcell 38 amp continuous draw cells to try another test from their performance graphs they should stay above that 3.1V at my current draw for about 70% of their rated capacity.
Do you use it on a stock Tinyhawk Freestyle? This model is normally operating with 2 cells, so you will have way too low thrust with a 1 cell setup.
@@disco.volante Not so, the stock THF is 1/2 cell, and flies perfectly well on 450/520/650 GNB 1S LiPo. Better for indoor/garden spaces. The issue with using Li-ion is the weight of 2600/3000mAh high discharge cells, but then you would not expect the THF to manage a 3000mAh LiPo, would you.
Couldn't you make pins in the frame for the rubber grommets on the AIO pop through, instead of using screws? Might save some weight.
I think plastic screws are a better option if you want to make it even lighter.
@@Unboxingexperience7 maybe those renny screws mrShutterbug likes to use?
cool build. do you know what is the motor thrust? could it fly with additional 30 grams?
on paper 130gr/motor. Not sure if the 18650 can manage it though. And you ll loose a lot of efficiency.
oh thats a lot more than i need, thanks for reply
Really nice frames. For power, I wonder if a 21700 sized cell might be better.
dont think so due to the increased weight (+20g)
You could scale up the aircraft, should improve total flight time slightly (especially since some things are fixed weight such as camera/VTX/receiver and most likely the ESC etc).
@@jakegarrett8109 A Samsung 40T cell packs a lot of juice, I have a 4S batttery made out of them. Flying off of a single one would be awesome.
@@yannickg6904 Is that your favorite 21700 battery? I'm looking into that size too and wondering where to start or what most people are using and like.
@@jakegarrett8109 It's my favorite because I can get genuine ones at a fair price from a reseller I trust. There may be better ones out there. So far that pack has been very reliable. I built it to power a 7in LR quad, but I mostly use it as a power pack for my little ISDT charger to replenish whoop and toothpick batteries. A 4S 4000mah Li-Ion will give a bunch of charges on little LiHVs...😀
Was that 2nd run look more like phone battery not lipo?
Your model is amazing. I subscribed you. What is the max range of your drone?
with a better rx you can go up to 1km then the fpv signal gets too bad. on my newer builds with external vtx I had no issues up to 1.5km. you can go probably even further. just check my playlist with all my nanolongrange builds.
@@Unboxingexperience7 Thanks🙂. Can you tell me how do DJI manage to send the drones upto 12km? What Rx do they use?
DJI's digital vtx has 1000mW output which is in some countries legal, as the signal is digital and not analog. Some of their units include an rx too. But the rx is not your limiting factor, elrs, crossfire, ghost go way further than 12km.
I wonder if using ABS would be better. You could also work with different geometries, instead of limiting yourself by a 2D design, which are necessary when you're working with carbon fiber sheets. A few vertical triangular support struts would make the arms much more rigid.
Well, my approach is to keep it as simple as possible. I'm down to 7.7grams on PLA+ with 20% infill. There is room for improvement, but I'm not sure if it's worth.
I have been making these for all my friends not this frame but one very similar
How much do they cost in materials?
And how much do you sell them for?
@@IVChan I haven't sold any yet haven't really tried but I was thinking of only charging $5-$10 per frame but it's for the frame only for folks that don't have 3d printers. You would have to buy the other parts separately.
@@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs sheesh that sounds good send me your email ???
@@pacman5511 I'm also on ebay but don't have these listed as I'm not sure how I'm going to market them plus I'm waiting to get permission to mass produce them from the guy who made the frame but if someone who doesn't have a printer wanted me to make one I could and technically just say I'm charging for the printing service and nothing else
@@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs shoot I’d I be down to send you funds for a few frames my email cardonacisco@gmail.com
Wouldn't a structural board cause too much vibration to the FC?
Tested - it's very stable in the air. It saves around 2 grams which is pretty much.
What do you mean when you say long range? Don't get me wrong, I love what you did there, but I was hoping to see it actually go far. To me, looking range is more than than walking distance. I've flown my freestyle drone about 500 metres at the most and I still don't feel like I've done long range. I guess people have different ideas about that.
i was handicapped by the frsky receiver. they market it with 2km range... however, with the right radio this drone will cover a distance of around 5km. so more than 2km range. i plan to switch to elrs and gonna prove it
Babytooth be nice setup for this. 4.4g frame without a camera mount.
but you get the props in the view... th-cam.com/video/n6ucU6tPG_0/w-d-xo.html
I had my Crux3 out today, and had 12 minutes cruising on a 2S 450 mah lipo, a 3000 mah lipo is just too heavy in 1s or 2s
It's the same weight as the 18650. I think the C rating (only 5C) is too low
the ESC go one the Crux3, i got the CF one, they will fix it for free tho and support from happymoddel seems to be good, they tried selling me a new AIO for $30 tho but ended up changing it with a 12A stack, but sending it them anyways to get fixed for free
I been flying my tp3 with 650 3s and getting like 10 mins of freestyle ripping.
Possible beta75x to convert like that?
What firmware on your Rc tx? I'm getting low(ish) rssi with my Xlite pro! Seemed you did too...
the newest version of access. it s even far worse with the archer m. I m going to switch to elrs 2.4ghz
@@Unboxingexperience7 Seems like many lite series Txs suffer from very low ranges... not very good! Especially as its advertised at 1.5km!!
second battery was already overly discharged before takeoff, it's at 2.9V, it should have started at around 4.2V.
Right, it's C rating is too low.
I've downloaded and printed this frame and it works outstanding. I'm on my 4th frame printed in PETG as the camera mount keeps breaking in crashes. It snaps off where it joins with the rest of the frame. Not a big deal but something to improve if you decide to see if you can make that area more robust. Thanks!
You could probably make this change yourself fairly easily in fusion 360. It is free and simple to learn within about a week. I had learned to design a lego brick the first day. In no time you will figure out how to import someones stl mesh, convert it to a body and manipulate it to suit your needs.
@@JasonEllingsworth Thanks but to be frank I have no interest in learning fusion. I've spent the time learning freecad so don't want to waste time learning another tool. In the end I'll just keep printing frames when they break.
@@pbshooter100 well I mean I was assuming you had zero cad experience. You could make the change in freecad
@@JasonEllingsworth yea I don't have any practical experience with anything although I have spent time learning freecad. anyway i printed about 10 of the frames so that should do me for a while lol
Nice work! But too weak batteries!
Where did you get the longer motorcables from?
i think aliexpress
@@Unboxingexperience7 Any link perhaps 🤗
Definitely needs crossfire or tracer. Or ExpressLRS
right, gonna switch to elrs. waiting for the parts though. some other upgrades are also in the pipeline.
@@Unboxingexperience7 Hi, i stumbled on your design... first time quad flier and want some simple design i can print on my 3d printer. Can you tell me what you're going to upgrade on this model ? Pherhaps with partnumbers ?
this will be the most accessible version. plug and play, no soldering. just change to a better radio: tracer, cf, elrs, ghost. next version will have 1202.5 motors and the new happymodel diamondf4 board. frame will stay the same but printed in pla+
This is a nice build but I'm confused on how this is long range?
i was limited by my frsky radio system. just use cf, tracer, ghost, elrs and you ll get a range of 2.5km
You really shouldn’t run Lipo under 3v and 18650 check specs normally ok to 2.5-2.8 minimum before you damage cells
May I know what vtx do you used?
integrated vtx on 100mW. it goes up to 200mW. I m using a cheap eachine module on my fatshark goggles.
What exactly makes it "long range"? Is there some accepted definition of that?
a better rc system :-) there is no common definition, but usually it is about long flight times using 18650 batteries combined with a strong vtx and radio link. long range is about exploring, so you need a few km/mi range.
You can "legally" call it "long range" so long as you can't see the quad anymore with a naked eye. That definition is generally accepted in the community. A big quad usually has more capability and is larger, therefore you have to go out pretty far in order to call it long range. Whereas a tiny whoop going to the end of the block could be considered long range. I all depends on the aircraft you are flying. Hope that helps! :)
I am no expert but I consider long range referring to distance. That requires duration of the battery. Long range, to me, exceeds kilometer.
How far could this fly with crossfire or express lrs?
vtx is good for around 700m clean fpv feed.
Lightweight pla.
How much is that in materials?
Nice project, but it's it fun to fly ?
well, you dont need to bother with people complaining about you flying. it's very stealthy. I think it s very easy to fly but it s not a freestyle quad with endless power.
Which motor and props are u using?
gemfan 3018 and happymodel 1203 11000kv
You have a list with all the components? How much does the price gets with everything added.
around 100-120$ parts are on thingiverse www.thingiverse.com/thing:4743497
if some one asked i missed it its tht pteg or pla?
pla
whats the antenna range?
I believe I've tried over a dozen different brands of 18650 cells including the sony and panasonic brands and the best I've achieved is 6 minutes.
I can only think of 2 reasons. With 18650 you can go below 3V - you don't need to land at 3.8V. There are also a lot of fake 18650 batteries out there.
@@Unboxingexperience7 I agree. My particular issue at this moment is the (now murata) 18650 3000nAh vtc6. Take off to hover is nominal at about 50% throttle and is held for 2 minutes until small increase is needed to maintain altitude. At 3 minutes I must advance throttle to full as the drone bumps it bottom on the ground. At 4 minutes plus I'm lucky to get a foot off the ground. Cells are charged to 4.2v and end at 2.7V before I disarm.
seems to be very inefficient. 3018 props? 1202.5/1203 motors with 11000kv? ph2 connector or GN27/XT30? overall weight over 110g?
@@Unboxingexperience7 90 grams, 1107 motors, 3" props , 18650 battery tray.
well, my best guess would be that the motors are the cause. 3018 two-blade props with 11000kv motors are the way to go on these 1s builds.
can u share , flying time with 18650?
with a Sony VTC6 you get over 20min flight time
somehow strange died quickly on the lipo👍✌
it's only 5C but it should be capable of putting out 15A... It's supposed to power a radio not a drone ;-)
@@Unboxingexperience7 The 18650 doesn't give out much more than an amp, I think
This is a Sony VCT6 with up to 30A output...
is that a Rolex Sub?
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Should have 3d printed the props too
Very inefficient, horrible balance, extremely flimsy, noisy, and somewhat dangerous (mostly for the electronics as they won't heal like you will unless it explodes in your eye or something). Injection molded props are better in every way except delivery time, but you can also make your own injection molds if you really felt the need.
@@jakegarrett8109 good to know
How far it can goes n return
at 200mW the FPV feed is without break ups up to 700m. you can probably go up to 1km with good FPV gear and not minding about bad fpv feed
What's the drone range approximately?
300m with Frsky Archer RS... With a better radio I would guess 9min of range at 10mph/15kmh which amounts to about 1.3mi /2.2km.
Better radio is going to equal more weight on the quad which will require larger motor and larger battery. I hope you continue this challenge.
tracer, ghost, express lrs, cf ain't heavier than the Archer RS. I just need to spend the money on a new radio system :-) But then I ll do an update with lighter frame
can it do freestyle?
with a quality 1s Lipo, sure. With the 18650 it's not fun. It's too heavy and lacks power.
How much are you selling the frames for?
the design is free. just download it and print it on a 3d printer www.thingiverse.com/thing:4743497
@@Unboxingexperience7 Kool thanks 😊
I'll be nice to print the frame using PETG since the motors and all the electronics will produce heat and this heat combined with the sun exposition is going to melt the frame very easily...
Anyway, congrats for the project and the video, such an awesome result :)
Cheers
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That lipo is severely under powered it wasn't even at 3 volts at the start of the flight. If you try something around 1000-1500mah you'll probably get around 10 min but, with better performance than the 18650.
you re right. I thought that the 5C rating was sufficient but I was wrong
@@Unboxingexperience7 ya if that's 15a continuous it should have been ok but, that 5c is probably closer to 1 if I had to guess.
Sorry but the configuration?
Can it do flips and tricks
only light freestyle like a loop/roll.
@@Unboxingexperience7 ok what about dives
recovery is difficult due to limited battery/motor power. this is a 1s LR drone.
@@Unboxingexperience7 ok thanks
GPS Caddx Vista
gps works fine, I m already using it on my babytooth. not sure about the vista, it s quite heavy and you ll need a step up module
Can it do freestyle tho ?😂
I think it would with a RDQ 650mah 2s
Motors kv??
11500kv
Long range?
I just need to get rid of Frsky Access... I'm hoping Happymodel is jumping on the Express LRS 2.4ghz trend. 19min flight time at 15kmh /10mph equals around 5km/3.5mi distance or 2.5km/1.7mi range.
What are the specs?
can be found here www.thingiverse.com/thing:4743497
Why you call it longrange?
It's just limited by the radio I used. 19min flight time at 15kmh /10mph equals around 5km/3.5mi distance or 2.5km/1.7mi range.
@@Unboxingexperience7 If it's limited by the radio then you not call it long-range only because of the longer flytime. But it was a nice little project. I also got 2 of them witch are 3D printed and it's a lot of fun. Nice video!
What your name 3d printer
Ender 2 by Creality
@@Unboxingexperience7 thank bro
150 yard long range.
with frsky ;-) gonna switch to express lrs
Nice. but : Lipo wasnt fully charged at the start of the flight you've just took off and its allredy showing 2.8V
th-cam.com/video/7E6jgIrd5kk/w-d-xo.html
it was fully charged, but the C rating of this Lipo is too low. so there is a huge voltage sag...
@@Unboxingexperience7 oh ok, what a huge drop 0.0
It stinks that the board alone cost $100 in july 2022
abs better for fpv
ABS gives a less rigid frame. It doesn't break so easily because it's more flexible, which is both a positive and a negative.
Useless.