Good answer we are only hear for a short time. Funny how 70 or 80 years seems like a long time when we are young but as we age we realize how fast it goes by. Our life is so short thank God for the hope in Jesus 🙏
Also, it surely was really helpful to have 7+ people of the "family tree" to pass the knowledge of what had happened since Creation to each other. Since most of the stuff that was known back then were transmitted via oral tradition. Being able to not only hear something from your father or grandfather, but to actually be able to talk to 700 year old Adam and ask himself personally would be a great testimony to the truthfulness of what they were all saying
I thought of that too. It will be awesome to meet those people and ask questions about how their lives were back then. I’m sure they will have lots of questions for us too, especially if our generation is the one that will be here when Jesus returns.
they had to be child rapists to have 7 + generations of people in the same family , 13 new moons a year x 70 years = 910 moons egyptians changed it to 365 days
E you people never played 'telephone (?) Where you sit in a circle and whisper a message around it. Then the last person to receive the message tells what they heard and the originator tells what they said and they're never the same. Pax
@@rduff1999 Right, that's why to have everyone alive at the same time ensured the message being said 900 years later was the same as the one in the beggining.
The deception in & through SIN .. is, such a detriment to living a rich whole life. Am so sad 😭 😞 & badly bruised in my conscience to know & realize what SIN has done in my short life. By GRACE ... I live ... “For there is no condemnation; To, those who are In JESUS CHRIST❤️” Thank you Pastor John for your insight & this upload.
The Word of God says that we will always struggle with sin while we’re in the flesh, but we must resist by the Power of the Holy Spirit. When we fail, we are to confess our sin and ask the Father for forgiveness in the Name of Jesus Christ. ❤️🙏🏻☝🏻
Also the water in the heavens, which was used by God to fuel the flood, would have been like a water ozone layer. In essence it would have made the whole earth like a giant greenhouse, causing everything within to flourish in a way we can’t imagine. Add the removal of that, with the produce of God for shorter lives, to the living in sin… it all adds up
Easy question. Because they obeyed God's command in Genesis 1:29. Eat only fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds. If you do the same you will be amazed at the positive results. See also Daniel chapter 1
@@56pjr the Bible doesn't say that they only ate those things, you're just assuming. Realisticly they didn't, given that most of them had large flocks of animals. As I said, John Piper's answer was very biblical and I think I'd choose his answer to the question over yours.
Genesis 1:29 is clear. All fruits and vegetables. Do no add to God's Word. Daniel 1 also confirms, as does the Tree of Life in Revelation. Even secular doctors will tell you that a vegan diet will improve your health. What are you waiting for?
Lord protect us from wickid & evil spirit. Have mercy and grace upon us. Let us be filled with holy spirit. Reveal the truth about our situations. Cast & binding away dark spirit. Break all the soul ties & bondage that are not from you.
Thank you Pastor John, this message put tears into my eyes, and reflect on how utterly disgusting and such a failure we humans have become eversince the Fall to Sin. It has made me hate this world even more and hate the SIN that still lingers in my flesh....but thanks be to GOD thru Jesus Christ, He has provided a WAY to REVERSE this. And although my age may not reach 100 or more because of the curse of sin...there is HOPE of ETERNITY in Christ. That gives us Christians more REASON to keep on EXAMINING OURSELVES to SEE if we are in the FAITH everyday. Or we too fail. Thanks Pastor John for this message. God bless. ❤️🙏
God's original plan for mankind was to live forever, but after sin, humankind began to die. I believe that sin and diet are partly the reason why lifespan has changed so drastically.
You are correct but the reason they lived so long is because they were nearer to physical perfection as was Adam. The ages gradually wound down due to genetic deterioration. It fell away quickly after the flood because the source of the flood waters in the upper atmosphere were no longer there to absorb the suns radiation . God will solve all of our causes of death as he has promised. Psm 37:29 "The righteous will possess the earth and they will reside forever upon it" Psm 37:34 ASV Wait for Jehovah and keep his way ,and he will exalt you to inheret the land ( earth RSV) . When the wicked are cut off thou shalt see it).
Agree that we’ve been being poisoned by the enemy for years, but the bottom line is what you first said, and that we were created to live forever, and for hundreds of years, but our years were shortened due to the fall. 🌟☝🏻💯
@@Iamwrongbut I would say, a lifespan of immortality (Adam & Eve before the fall in Genesis) vs. the lifespans after the fall (see all the chronologies of years of age) and after the fallen angels/nephilim mated with women (Isaiah 14:12).
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Genesis 6:3
Good answer but I also wonder if a simple aspect of genetics plays a part in it. Think of it like making copies. Adam and Eve were the originals (created perfectly) so the first 8-10 “copies” were pretty close to the original. Once the originals are gone, you are making copies of copies and differences start to arise, ie, genetic errors start to duplicate and add up.
I really enjoy how John Piper uses Scripture to anchor the points he is making. I agree with everything he said. Yes, God let the first patriarchs live long life so that in retrospect we might recognize our longevity relative to theirs. However, another point is found in Genesis 6: Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” Genesis 6:3 (NIV) God limited an individuals life span ALSO to limit the amount of sin, damage and oppression any one person could make on God’s creation and plan of redemption. Soon after this verse, God floods the world to wipe out those evil people to start over with Noah and his family. God bless John Piper.
Death was a mercy of God for a fallen man now full of sin but able to conquer it through redemption to a better life out of this body and into a glorified one.
God does not punish, he is pure love. I'm so tired of being taught that God is a vengeful God. This is the greatest hoax perpetuated by man. Why would our God create us, just to turn around and punish us, for living in a world he knew was going to be full of sin, and knew we would fail at it. This is exactly why people are leaving churches and organized religion. We are living by a book that was written over thousands of years ago.. God is love, God is light. We are all children of God. We come from heaven to experience this world. We are not humans seeking a spiritual experience, we are spirits seeking a human experience. The Bible was written and edited by man, not all was included, which tells me not to trust a lot of it. I believe in Jesus, I believe he is the son of God, we are all sons and daughters of God.
Easy question. Because they obeyed God's command in Genesis 1:29. Eat only fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds. If you do the same you will be amazed at the positive results. See also Daniel chapter 1
Desiring GOD should make a groupchat, because the world is becoming wicked and we as believer have to stick together and SPREAD the TEACHINGS OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST
It is my opinion that some reasons why people in Genesis was because the weather conditions were optimal for extended life spans, and apparently food was fresher and didn't have the additives that have been part of our diet. After the flood, lifespans began to shorten tremendously, and I think that somehow climate conditions became different, some Christians believe that God had put some kind of protection against UV rays that are harmful and conducive to shorten lives.
Great answer. The Biblical account actually implies aging was >sloweroutlived< their sons and grandsons. Until moses, incest wasn't prohibited and wasn't a problem due to the great genetics Adam and Eve started with.
Sin has been like a domino effect, making us weaker and weaker like poison. We can all see the pattern in our own lives but it must be the case for all mankind too.
@@pomegranatepip2482 It doesn't? As an evolutionary biologist and ecologist, I do happen to know that human life expectancy is not the same as life span and the former has changed a lot more than the latter and for many different reasons throughout time. If you want some explanations I can go into that (eg food supply, hygiene...) but I get the impression you may have misunderstood my point because none of those explanations for the latest increase in life expectancy (which may actually take a dip as we begin to suffer the effects of "too much of a good thing" like obesity, metabolic syndromes, autoimmunity, pollution...) have much to do with sin.
One man saw Apostle John. John came to meet that man of God.If he is still living what would be his life on earth.Do u think he must be sorrow free or being in flesh he must be going thru sufferings mentioned in John 16:33.?
Just as every nation of power has failed as shown in recorded history from corruption and greed an immorality. So are genetics passed down with disease. Everything degrades from sin and dies. So if a nation or people could live with out sin it would last forever. Heaven is that place that sin will be eliminated and as the bible says,, Forever we will live in Heaven.
Over 900 years old? Very much doubt it. People back then probably perceived time differently but there are scientific theories that people thousand years ago indeed lived up to 200 years. Healthier lifestyle, no pollution, no processed food and drinks. Less people on planet with less wars and etc…
Perfect DNA in the beginning is why, and very few mutations for the first 1600 years, before the Genesis worldwide flood. There was probably perfect weather before the Genesis Flood, also, and certainly, less pollution. But having perfect, to near perfect DNA, was most likely the main reason of long life.
It doesn’t matter how long you live, just how many children you have. Noah was 950 and had only 3 children. Shorter lives would actually lead to a quicker growth in population.
When I think of people living for hundreds of years I tend to wonder how fit they were. Were they as fit as a 30 or 40 year old for 200 of their 500 years and how long did they live as an elderly person, wrinkled, with joint pain, short sighted and hard of hearing? Also it seemes to be assumed that because certain patriarchs are listed as living to an old age, then everyone in those days also had super long lives. For how long were they fertile? Sarah & Abraham were said to be too old for children at 90 or so. Is it possible there were some parents of 200 children? If most of the people of a tribe had the same parents, how do they avoid problems associeted with incest? How would all those people be fed in an era of farming by hand. As intriguing as the stories of people living for hundreds of years are, they seem to raise some serious logistical or practical questions, which few seem to even ask.
Abram and his wife Sarah had been married for ~60 years and still had no children. because Sarah was barren. That was what Abraham meant when referring to his wife, it was her inability to bare children
another interesting passage you may want to consider to answer your other question is found in Genesis 12:10-20): in Genesis 20 we read that King Abimelech attempted to take 90-year-old Sarah as his wife. ( because she was beautiful and perhaps even youthful as she aged)
you are right to ask that question @Payne2view . The bible doesn't say everyone lived that long. Just those in the line of Messiah. I did a vid on this a couple of years back and there are a couple of passages that show us that normal people did not live that long.
Also I believe it is a blessing from God that we are not allowed to live hundreds of years on this sinful earth. Our world is growing more and more sinful. The longer we’re exposed to sin the more prone we are to wander. ??
In the Complete Work of Josephus, Josephus says the length of a man's life was set at a maximum of the years Moses was on earth which was 120 years. It also says the flood affected the soil so the food did not have the same nutrition anymore. It also says the Jewish history books agree with all of the ancient history books.
The first sin caused humans to not live forever. God told Adam and Eve, if they should eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, they shall surely die. Eve ate first, and then Adam. That caused them to begin dying.
Even the years of age he gave was long in the beginning but after Noah every man only live untill 100 he said this and its happening now yes..god can perform the most anything he want to do🎉🎉🎉🎉
I think that it had to do with be fruitful and multiply. They needed more time to fill the earth with people. As there were more people on earth the number of years went down. Imagine where all these people would've been at. The world would've been overcrowded.
Because that is the way God planned it. Man lived long to verify the truth of God's dealings with mankind verbally by word of mouth being eye witnesses of events. Then they were recorded.
And our years now would be even much less, as in the centuries before the 20th century when 30s-40s were a person last days, but advances in medicine have extended life. Supposedly, our genetics continue to mutate with every generation with cancer and other issues. All downhill since the effects of the Great Flood and of course the Fall in Eden. Super interesting! And, God wanting the world’s population to be populated as well, could be added to God’s Perfect Purposes
Easy question. Because they obeyed God's command in Genesis 1:29. Eat only fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds. If you do the same you will be amazed at the positive results. See also Daniel chapter 1
If death is the result of the introducti on of sin and sin was introduced when Eve and Adam ate from the tree of knowledge, doesn't that mean anyone born after that sin would be subject to the decree of death? Wouldn't that mean that Noah should never have lived to be 950 years old since his existence happened after the fall? In fact, none of those people should have should have lived past 80 because the fall from grace is one of the first events in the bible. I am just making a logical deduction from Pastor John's words.
Abraham thought it was laughable that a man could be a father at 100. So 100 was thought to be an old man, incapable of reproduction. Strange, as his own father was around that age when he had Abraham. He then lives another 75 years. Look at Inspiring Philosophy's video on the subject. Piper is a bit too basic in his reading here. The #s simply don't make sense if literal.
This is a replication of the Sumerian Kings which were said to have lived 28k years. It was adjusted to coincide with the beliefs of the authors of the Bible. It was all created.
@@pomegranatepip2482 i used to think like you. Denied any religion or spiritual things for many many years. Then one day out of nowhere, Jesus found me. I even tried to reject him at that point for a while but it was too late. I was saved already. Once you stop running it'll happen for you too. God loves you
The direct descendants of Adam and Eve lived long lives compared to the other people due to the residule effect of the tree of life that had been eaten from before the fall. The other people, like Cains wife thought of the Adamites as being immortals. It took until around 1500 BC for the effects to have finally faded.
They didn't eat same junk food our society craves because they knew how to cook and had plenty of exercise and didn't have to mess with Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc, etc... "and" wasn't in their vocabulary - they had more import things to do - like survive... Plus they did' 't depend on government subsidies and stimulus checks... In other words they had full employment and NO masks...
Use the scripture as the source of the information to answer questions about the scripture. Why not? Of course when you do this, every single scripture proves itself to be true and a reliable source.
I wonder if 4 score and 7 years ago was understood as over a lifetime ago and meant so by Lincoln the author. The decline of livetimes also had a dropoffllong somewhat exponential in the Bible and testifies to the reliability of the claim if you plot it no one at the time would have intended an exponential like droppoff
@@pomegranatepip2482 surely gluttony affects your physiology, you become obese, surely vanity affects your physiology, things like anorexia come to mind as well as cosmetic surgeries, wrath can get you to seek power through things like hormones and steroids, I mean c'mon man where on earth where you coming from?
That verse is talking about the Second Death, which is the judgment for all unrepentant sinners. The Lake of Fire is the Second Death. The Wages of Sin is the Second Death. Repenting of those sins and following Jesus Christ gives us Eternal Life.
I think we should count ourselves blessed to live on this sin filled world such a short time compared to the early people of the Bible. That means we only have to suffer a short time before we go to See Jesus, not having to rely on faith anymore and spend eternity with Him who created us.
With these incredible ages, and no explanation for why life spans were shortened, it’s almost like the author is trying to tell us that this history is figurative. Especially because some of Noah’s direct ancestors apparently lived to an age that would make them alive through and after the flood, even though they didn’t get on the ark. Impossibruh.
Why did you say terah was 148 years old when he died. This is possibly due to Steven in acts mentioning the story of when Abram leaves haran. But genesis says specifically that terah died at 205. Why do you choose Steven’s account over the seemingly explicit genesis 11 verse?
It's possible that humans could live much longer at some point in our history, but in case of the Bible, at least for most of the Old Covenant, a Patriarch doesn't represent an individual human being, but rather a single dynasty, while a year stands for a single lifetime of a leader within a dynasty, even if the crucial events between instances when the Bible is counting time, does always apply to specific individuals, and shouldn't be treated symbolically.
Surely the flood changed the original creation to such an extent that a more hostile environment (radiation, for example) reduced lifespans significantly. Whitcomb and Morris suggest this in “The Genesis Flood”. As for the curse - no change since the fall. Except with Christ of course. Human flesh in heaven.
Less viruses, less deaseas, less enemies, good food, perhaps faster hour in intraday, or miss leading Jew calenders (before sabbath was created by Moses)
I’ve also heard it presented (by a very Biblical-minded teacher) that genetics plays a roll which wouldn’t go against anything said here. But much like we once had giants, dominate genes (though not always desired) perhaps what leans is into our current lifespans among other things such as height. Noah’s boys all went separate ways with their own genes. Ishmael and Isaac went their own ways with their genes. Jacob and Esau has their own sets. I’m not saying this is necessarily the case, but it may perhaps answer how we’ve ended up where we have. Much like many people believe that blond or red hair is more desirable or green or blue eyes are more desirable, but when paired with brown or black (dominate gene characteristics) the darker (more dominate) will usually prevail.
Here is the answer, based on the Bible and we need to know some hebrew too. When the Lord told Adam not to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, because the DAY he ate from it Adam would die. And remember, for our Lord, one day is like 1000 years, and 1000 years one day. In hebrew, the letters also have a numeric value. For the number 1, the first letter of hebrew alphabet is א, and his value is 1. But, if you "spell" א in hebrew, you have "אלף" . It's a word, and his meaning is literally one thousand (1000). And if you apply this to the years of Adam, he wasn't live one day (1000 years) Good bless you brothers, study hebrew if you have the time, it's wonderful! To Yeshua HaMashiaj be all the glory and the honor for ever amén!
Why should they be? Christians have the same damaged DNA as anyone else that's alive today. In the beginning, Adam and Eve had perfect DNA, so they had no mutations, so no diseases. Their offspring would have had nearly perfect DNA, and lived a very long time, also. The oldest person in the Bible is Methusaleh, whom lived to 963 yrs old. Adam lived to 930 yrs old. After the Genesis Flood, people started living not so long, as some lived about 300 years old, and that number began to drop. People were allowed to marry relatives for the first 1,000 years, so the DNA slowly gained more mutations, and people began to live shorter lives. Laws were made about 3,000 b.c., during the time of Moses, to not be married to close relatives.
It's been shown that it only just a bad translation. I don't recall the very specific one but it confused years and months. Some scholars can show exactly where it happened long in the past. As for yourself, just devide those years by twelve and see how you get typical ages.
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Good answer we are only hear for a short time. Funny how 70 or 80 years seems like a long time when we are young but as we age we realize how fast it goes by. Our life is so short thank God for the hope in Jesus 🙏
And that's all it is: hope. Pax
I found my way back to god and have been wondering this for awhile now while doing my studies thank you pastor John for the great explanation
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Also, it surely was really helpful to have 7+ people of the "family tree" to pass the knowledge of what had happened since Creation to each other. Since most of the stuff that was known back then were transmitted via oral tradition.
Being able to not only hear something from your father or grandfather, but to actually be able to talk to 700 year old Adam and ask himself personally would be a great testimony to the truthfulness of what they were all saying
I thought of that too. It will be awesome to meet those people and ask questions about how their lives were back then. I’m sure they will have lots of questions for us too, especially if our generation is the one that will be here when Jesus returns.
they had to be child rapists to have 7 + generations of people in the same family , 13 new moons a year x 70 years = 910 moons egyptians changed it to 365 days
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E you people never played 'telephone (?) Where you sit in a circle and whisper a message around it. Then the last person to receive the message tells what they heard and the originator tells what they said and they're never the same. Pax
@@rduff1999
Right, that's why to have everyone alive at the same time ensured the message being said 900 years later was the same as the one in the beggining.
The deception in & through SIN .. is, such a detriment to living a rich whole life.
Am so sad 😭 😞 & badly bruised in my conscience to know & realize what SIN has done in my short life.
By GRACE ... I live ...
“For there is no condemnation;
To, those who are In JESUS CHRIST❤️”
Thank you Pastor John for your insight & this upload.
The Word of God says that we will always struggle with sin while we’re in the flesh, but we must resist by the Power of the Holy Spirit. When we fail, we are to confess our sin and ask the Father for forgiveness in the Name of Jesus Christ. ❤️🙏🏻☝🏻
God bless you Pastor John and Desiring Ministries.
This is brilliant. Thank you pastor John 👏🏽🙏🏾❤️
Also the water in the heavens, which was used by God to fuel the flood, would have been like a water ozone layer. In essence it would have made the whole earth like a giant greenhouse, causing everything within to flourish in a way we can’t imagine. Add the removal of that, with the produce of God for shorter lives, to the living in sin… it all adds up
KFC ruined the life spin
But it’s a good trade-off. haha
@@jaco7675 chik fi la is better
@@travis6694 It IS better. Every time I eat KFC, I take 2 weeks off my life span.
I had a very similar question the first time I read Genesis. Appreciate Pastor John's detailed and biblical answer.
Easy question. Because they obeyed God's command in Genesis 1:29. Eat only fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds. If you do the same you will be amazed at the positive results.
See also Daniel chapter 1
Guess you don't agree with the Biblical answer then.
I agree with everything God has said in His Word, the bible. So should everyone else.
@@56pjr the Bible doesn't say that they only ate those things, you're just assuming. Realisticly they didn't, given that most of them had large flocks of animals.
As I said, John Piper's answer was very biblical and I think I'd choose his answer to the question over yours.
Genesis 1:29 is clear. All fruits and vegetables. Do no add to God's Word. Daniel 1 also confirms, as does the Tree of Life in Revelation. Even secular doctors will tell you that a vegan diet will improve your health. What are you waiting for?
Lord protect us from wickid & evil spirit. Have mercy and grace upon us. Let us be filled with holy spirit. Reveal the truth about our situations. Cast & binding away dark spirit. Break all the soul ties & bondage that are not from you.
Amen 🙏
Thank you to Pastor John and the team. I am learning many new things. God bless you
Thank you Pastor John, this message put tears into my eyes, and reflect on how utterly disgusting and such a failure we humans have become eversince the Fall to Sin. It has made me hate this world even more and hate the SIN that still lingers in my flesh....but thanks be to GOD thru Jesus Christ, He has provided a WAY to REVERSE this. And although my age may not reach 100 or more because of the curse of sin...there is HOPE of ETERNITY in Christ. That gives us Christians more REASON to keep on EXAMINING OURSELVES to SEE if we are in the FAITH everyday. Or we too fail. Thanks Pastor John for this message. God bless. ❤️🙏
Probably the best answer to this question I've heard. Thank you pastor John Piper!
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Nicely said! Thank you Pastor John for these awesome videos! God bless you all :)
Thank you for this topic! I've always been interested in this.
You may like to scroll up to my post to JPaarkerLewis at the top of the page.
God's original plan for mankind was to live forever, but after sin, humankind began to die. I believe that sin and diet are partly the reason why lifespan has changed so drastically.
You are correct but the reason they lived so long is because they were nearer to physical perfection as was Adam. The ages gradually wound down due to genetic deterioration. It fell away quickly after the flood because the source of the flood waters in the upper atmosphere were no longer there to absorb the suns radiation . God will solve all of our causes of death as he has promised. Psm 37:29 "The righteous will possess the earth and they will reside forever upon it" Psm 37:34 ASV Wait for Jehovah and keep his way ,and he will exalt you to inheret the land ( earth RSV) . When the wicked are cut off thou shalt see it).
@@ralphgoreham3516 that’s some nice speculation haha
Agree that we’ve been being poisoned by the enemy for years, but the bottom line is what you first said, and that we were created to live forever, and for hundreds of years, but our years were shortened due to the fall. 🌟☝🏻💯
@@888LCK there are zero verses that say that it is because of sin that their lifespans are shortened. That’s just speculation with no biblical basis.
@@Iamwrongbut I would say, a lifespan of immortality (Adam & Eve before the fall in Genesis) vs. the lifespans after the fall (see all the chronologies of years of age) and after the fallen angels/nephilim mated with women (Isaiah 14:12).
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Genesis 6:3
Danine,
That passage is God declaring when the flood will happen, not age of death.
That was said 120 years before the flood and many people lived longer than 120 years after.
Such a beautiful explanation 🙌🏾 Thank you Ps John
Thank you God, for messages such as shared by Pastor John Boast in his humiliation.. 📖🙏🏽🌴
Very insightful, as always!
Excellent. Sound words.
It’s funny how there’s someone dedicated to disliking pastor john’s videos as soon as they’re uploaded lol
Hopefully not his son. ☹️
Don't think it matters to him at all
Maybe they don't like that the first humans lived for so long.
I’m not even sure that those are legitimate accounts. They may be bots, or something.
@@hugohugo4163 i know that i am jealous
Did they live so long or did numbers have meaning more than just literal age as we do these days?
They ate non-GMO food. That's prolly why they lived long
@Luth Lexor Not this.
Good answer but I also wonder if a simple aspect of genetics plays a part in it. Think of it like making copies. Adam and Eve were the originals (created perfectly) so the first 8-10 “copies” were pretty close to the original. Once the originals are gone, you are making copies of copies and differences start to arise, ie, genetic errors start to duplicate and add up.
Good answer Pastor John.
For thousands of years people died at 30, not 70-80 (0:50)
What John means is most lifespan in our times is 70-80 because of old age but some died at the age of 120 yrs old but not that many in our times.
Thanks for your message
I really enjoy how John Piper uses Scripture to anchor the points he is making. I agree with everything he said. Yes, God let the first patriarchs live long life so that in retrospect we might recognize our longevity relative to theirs. However, another point is found in Genesis 6:
Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” Genesis 6:3 (NIV)
God limited an individuals life span ALSO to limit the amount of sin, damage and oppression any one person could make on God’s creation and plan of redemption. Soon after this verse, God floods the world to wipe out those evil people to start over with Noah and his family.
God bless John Piper.
Death was a mercy of God for a fallen man now full of sin but able to conquer it through redemption to a better life out of this body and into a glorified one.
God does not punish, he is pure love. I'm so tired of being taught that God is a vengeful God. This is the greatest hoax perpetuated by man. Why would our God create us, just to turn around and punish us, for living in a world he knew was going to be full of sin, and knew we would fail at it. This is exactly why people are leaving churches and organized religion. We are living by a book that was written over thousands of years ago.. God is love, God is light. We are all children of God. We come from heaven to experience this world. We are not humans seeking a spiritual experience, we are spirits seeking a human experience. The Bible was written and edited by man, not all was included, which tells me not to trust a lot of it. I believe in Jesus, I believe he is the son of God, we are all sons and daughters of God.
The earths atmosphere was dramatically different prior to the Flood
High oxygen
Sin has destroyed this world, corrupted it and left only despair. But one day Jesus will come back to make everything right again
The span of human life has declined over the ages, with a fewer number of years of life journeying on God's path has become necessary.
Easy question. Because they obeyed God's command in Genesis 1:29. Eat only fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds. If you do the same you will be amazed at the positive results.
See also Daniel chapter 1
Human life has not got shorter over the years. Where do you get that strange idea from?
@@pomegranatepip2482 In context to the passage of the span of time it has, I have clarified, stating 'over the ages'
no strange idea. Read the bible.
This was excellently explained thanks
I needed to hear this, the real treasure to human life is outside this world, it is only achieved through Christ being free from the bondage of sin.
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It is my opinion that some reasons why
people in Genesis was because the weather conditions were optimal for
extended life spans, and apparently
food was fresher and didn't have the
additives that have been part of our
diet. After the flood, lifespans began
to shorten tremendously, and I think
that somehow climate conditions
became different, some Christians
believe that God had put some kind
of protection against UV rays that
are harmful and conducive to shorten
lives.
Great answer. The Biblical account actually implies aging was >sloweroutlived< their sons and grandsons. Until moses, incest wasn't prohibited and wasn't a problem due to the great genetics Adam and Eve started with.
There was no Adam and Eve. These are mythological people. Fictional. You can’t describe reality by using mythical people and pseudoscience.
Pomegranatetip. Is there an Israeli?
Look at the history of Israel, read the Bible....we are like grass but the Word of the Lord stands forever ..
@@pomegranatepip2482 if god doesn’t exist who created the universe ok then that’d what I thought
@@t.n.h.ptheneohumanpatterna8334God created the universe, because the universe is God. Pax
Sin has been like a domino effect, making us weaker and weaker like poison. We can all see the pattern in our own lives but it must be the case for all mankind too.
How does that explain how human life expectancy is increasing?
@@pomegranatepip2482 It doesn't? As an evolutionary biologist and ecologist, I do happen to know that human life expectancy is not the same as life span and the former has changed a lot more than the latter and for many different reasons throughout time. If you want some explanations I can go into that (eg food supply, hygiene...) but I get the impression you may have misunderstood my point because none of those explanations for the latest increase in life expectancy (which may actually take a dip as we begin to suffer the effects of "too much of a good thing" like obesity, metabolic syndromes, autoimmunity, pollution...) have much to do with sin.
@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 would you please go into details?
@@erikpayne8202 About my original post or my answer to the other gentleman's question?
One man saw Apostle John. John came to meet that man of God.If he is still living what would be his life on earth.Do u think he must be sorrow free or being in flesh he must be going thru sufferings mentioned in John 16:33.?
Could it be in the way that time was recorded
True too but it still pointed out that man lived a lot longer than now at least even if the numbers are off from todays metrics
God please mean my family and I live long❤❤
Just as every nation of power has failed as shown in recorded history from corruption and greed an immorality. So are genetics passed down with disease. Everything degrades from sin and dies. So if a nation or people could live with out sin it would last forever. Heaven is that place that sin will be eliminated and as the bible says,, Forever we will live in Heaven.
Stands to reason that the passage of time would have been different as well.
Over 900 years old? Very much doubt it. People back then probably perceived time differently but there are scientific theories that people thousand years ago indeed lived up to 200 years. Healthier lifestyle, no pollution, no processed food and drinks. Less people on planet with less wars and etc…
Nope u heard right people lived hundreds and hundreds of years long you cannot fathom because its simply not thinkable in this day and age
It was also God's original plan that we only eat plants. Genesis 1:29. I wonder if that has something to do with it 🤔.
Perfect DNA in the beginning is why, and very few mutations for the first 1600 years, before the Genesis worldwide flood. There was probably perfect weather before the Genesis Flood, also, and certainly, less pollution. But having perfect, to near perfect DNA, was most likely the main reason of long life.
because they where fruitarians.
Look at covid19 it spreads from bats to humans by eating them.
They were nearer perfection.
Focus on Christ and his promised everlasting Life not on this earthly mortal Life
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Once the world was populated, No need for man to live so long. This life isn't the life were interested in, it's our eternal life that matters.
Plus they lived longer possibly to populate the earth better
It doesn’t matter how long you live, just how many children you have. Noah was 950 and had only 3 children. Shorter lives would actually lead to a quicker growth in population.
@Monte Stu true but his sons had no children and they were over 100 by the time the ark was done. Definitely some mysteries in the Bible
@@shantor100 - If they had no children, we wouldn’t be here.
@@montestu5502 no kidding
When I think of people living for hundreds of years I tend to wonder how fit they were. Were they as fit as a 30 or 40 year old for 200 of their 500 years and how long did they live as an elderly person, wrinkled, with joint pain, short sighted and hard of hearing?
Also it seemes to be assumed that because certain patriarchs are listed as living to an old age, then everyone in those days also had super long lives. For how long were they fertile? Sarah & Abraham were said to be too old for children at 90 or so. Is it possible there were some parents of 200 children? If most of the people of a tribe had the same parents, how do they avoid problems associeted with incest? How would all those people be fed in an era of farming by hand.
As intriguing as the stories of people living for hundreds of years are, they seem to raise some serious logistical or practical questions, which few seem to even ask.
Few ask because few think. People never lived that long. It’s fairy tales.
Time was different.
Abram and his wife Sarah had been married for ~60 years and still had no children. because Sarah was barren. That was what Abraham meant when referring to his wife, it was her inability to bare children
another interesting passage you may want to consider to answer your other question is found in Genesis 12:10-20): in Genesis 20 we read that King Abimelech attempted to take 90-year-old Sarah as his wife. ( because she was beautiful and perhaps even youthful as she aged)
you are right to ask that question @Payne2view . The bible doesn't say everyone lived that long. Just those in the line of Messiah. I did a vid on this a couple of years back and there are a couple of passages that show us that normal people did not live that long.
Also I believe it is a blessing from God that we are not allowed to live hundreds of years on this sinful earth. Our world is growing more and more sinful. The longer we’re exposed to sin the more prone we are to wander. ??
In the Complete Work of Josephus, Josephus says the length of a man's life was set at a maximum of the years Moses was on earth which was 120 years. It also says the flood affected the soil so the food did not have the same nutrition anymore. It also says the Jewish history books agree with all of the ancient history books.
David was only 70 when he died? Wow, he was the most consequential kind in the history of Israel, if not the world.
Thank you
I would not like living 900 years! Can you imagine how your body would feel??
It’d be much stronger and therefore degrade much slower. The last 50-100 years might suck though.
I would be more concerned about my sanity.
they didn't live that long
Nobody ever did, so don’t stress. 😂
could you imagine living forever?
God withdrew us from his presence, we went from eternal to mortal.
The first sin caused humans to not live forever. God told Adam and Eve, if they should eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, they shall surely die. Eve ate first, and then Adam. That caused them to begin dying.
@@11aaf All good things come from GOD.
Even the years of age he gave was long in the beginning but after Noah every man only live untill 100 he said this and its happening now yes..god can perform the most anything he want to do🎉🎉🎉🎉
Adam was initially immortal but I think the dna or essence of that immortality wore off as more and more mortals were being born into sin.
Another crazy person.... All humans in the past had live no more than 40-50 years old... Read some books rather then lying bible...
I think that it had to do with be fruitful and multiply. They needed more time to fill the earth with people. As there were more people on earth the number of years went down. Imagine where all these people would've been at. The world would've been overcrowded.
Because that is the way God planned it. Man lived long to verify the truth of God's dealings with mankind verbally by word of mouth being eye witnesses of events. Then they were recorded.
And our years now would be even much less, as in the centuries before the 20th century when 30s-40s were a person last days, but advances in medicine have extended life. Supposedly, our genetics continue to mutate with every generation with cancer and other issues. All downhill since the effects of the Great Flood and of course the Fall in Eden. Super interesting!
And, God wanting the world’s population to be populated as well, could be added to God’s Perfect Purposes
Easy question. Because they obeyed God's command in Genesis 1:29. Eat only fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds. If you do the same you will be amazed at the positive results.
See also Daniel chapter 1
It is a somewhat easy question, but your conclusion is wrong.
Please show any supposed error using Scripture.
See you in 900 years then!
If death is the result of the introducti on of sin and sin was introduced when Eve and Adam ate from the tree of knowledge, doesn't that mean anyone born after that sin would be subject to the decree of death? Wouldn't that mean that Noah should never have lived to be 950 years old since his existence happened after the fall? In fact, none of those people should have should have lived past 80 because the fall from grace is one of the first events in the bible. I am just making a logical deduction from Pastor John's words.
They were closer to genetic perfection.
Abraham thought it was laughable that a man could be a father at 100.
So 100 was thought to be an old man, incapable of reproduction. Strange, as his own father was around that age when he had Abraham.
He then lives another 75 years.
Look at Inspiring Philosophy's video on the subject. Piper is a bit too basic in his reading here. The #s simply don't make sense if literal.
I agree with you here. I've also seen where UsefulCharts had noticed an allegorical numbering.
Genesis (11:26) teaches that Terah was 70 years old when he begat Abram.
This is a replication of the Sumerian Kings which were said to have lived 28k years. It was adjusted to coincide with the beliefs of the authors of the Bible. It was all created.
John Piper also memorized how long everybody lived in the Bible. Let that sink in.
That’s what you have to do when you are making money from lies. You have to memorise them or you get caught out.
@@pomegranatepip2482 Lol ok buddy.
@@pomegranatepip2482 i used to think like you. Denied any religion or spiritual things for many many years. Then one day out of nowhere, Jesus found me. I even tried to reject him at that point for a while but it was too late. I was saved already. Once you stop running it'll happen for you too. God loves you
There are really not that many names to remember. But it will take some effort.
The direct descendants of Adam and Eve lived long lives compared to the other people due to the residule effect of the tree of life that had been eaten from before the fall. The other people, like Cains wife thought of the Adamites as being immortals. It took until around 1500 BC for the effects to have finally faded.
Amen! 👏
They didn't eat same junk food our society craves because they knew how to cook and had plenty of exercise and didn't have to mess with Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc, etc... "and" wasn't in their vocabulary - they had more import things to do - like survive... Plus they did' 't depend on government subsidies and stimulus checks... In other words they had full employment and NO masks...
Use the scripture as the source of the information to answer questions about the scripture. Why not?
Of course when you do this, every single scripture proves itself to be true and a reliable source.
I wonder if 4 score and 7 years ago was understood as over a lifetime ago and meant so by Lincoln the author. The decline of livetimes also had a dropoffllong somewhat exponential in the Bible and testifies to the reliability of the claim if you plot it no one at the time would have intended an exponential like droppoff
If the wages of sin are death, does that mean our shorter lives now are because we are more sinful now?
We are certainly more sinful now so i would not be surprised
Our lives are not shorter now. Your information is wrong. Sin does not affect physiology.
@@pomegranatepip2482 what a compelling argument thank you for sharing, my eyes are open now
@@pomegranatepip2482 surely gluttony affects your physiology, you become obese, surely vanity affects your physiology, things like anorexia come to mind as well as cosmetic surgeries, wrath can get you to seek power through things like hormones and steroids, I mean c'mon man where on earth where you coming from?
That verse is talking about the Second Death, which is the judgment for all unrepentant sinners. The Lake of Fire is the Second Death. The Wages of Sin is the Second Death. Repenting of those sins and following Jesus Christ gives us Eternal Life.
The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life. Man does not have an immortal ghost in him.. The dead know nothing.
Because they were eating clean food and clean water, not the poison that we eat and drink today
Creations seminars by Dr Kent Hovind
I think we should count ourselves blessed to live on this sin filled world such a short time compared to the early people of the Bible. That means we only have to suffer a short time before we go to See Jesus, not having to rely on faith anymore and spend eternity with Him who created us.
With these incredible ages, and no explanation for why life spans were shortened, it’s almost like the author is trying to tell us that this history is figurative. Especially because some of Noah’s direct ancestors apparently lived to an age that would make them alive through and after the flood, even though they didn’t get on the ark.
Impossibruh.
I'm thinking the same thing.
2:01 Terah lived 205 years. Genesis 11:32
Why did you say terah was 148 years old when he died. This is possibly due to Steven in acts mentioning the story of when Abram leaves haran. But genesis says specifically that terah died at 205. Why do you choose Steven’s account over the seemingly explicit genesis 11 verse?
It's possible that humans could live much longer at some point in our history, but in case of the Bible, at least for most of the Old Covenant, a Patriarch doesn't represent an individual human being, but rather a single dynasty, while a year stands for a single lifetime of a leader within a dynasty, even if the crucial events between instances when the Bible is counting time, does always apply to specific individuals, and shouldn't be treated symbolically.
Amazing people would believe man lived for 900 plus years…
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Why do Christians follow Paul? I don't actually know that much about it but wasn't he someone who never even meet Jesus? Can someone explain?
They didn't, they just didn't know what time was,in fact if you made it to your 20s you were lucky
Surely the flood changed the original creation to such an extent that a more hostile environment (radiation, for example) reduced lifespans significantly. Whitcomb and Morris suggest this in “The Genesis Flood”. As for the curse - no change since the fall. Except with Christ of course. Human flesh in heaven.
They live longer because they don't eat McDonald's
They also didn't receive Covid vaccines.
😂
Less viruses, less deaseas, less enemies, good food, perhaps faster hour in intraday, or miss leading Jew calenders (before sabbath was created by Moses)
Amen!!!
Was Adam made as a teenager, adult or an old man?
I’ve also heard it presented (by a very Biblical-minded teacher) that genetics plays a roll which wouldn’t go against anything said here. But much like we once had giants, dominate genes (though not always desired) perhaps what leans is into our current lifespans among other things such as height. Noah’s boys all went separate ways with their own genes. Ishmael and Isaac went their own ways with their genes. Jacob and Esau has their own sets.
I’m not saying this is necessarily the case, but it may perhaps answer how we’ve ended up where we have.
Much like many people believe that blond or red hair is more desirable or green or blue eyes are more desirable, but when paired with brown or black (dominate gene characteristics) the darker (more dominate) will usually prevail.
Here is the answer, based on the Bible and we need to know some hebrew too.
When the Lord told Adam not to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, because the DAY he ate from it Adam would die.
And remember, for our Lord, one day is like 1000 years, and 1000 years one day.
In hebrew, the letters also have a numeric value. For the number 1, the first letter of hebrew alphabet is א, and his value is 1.
But, if you "spell" א in hebrew, you have "אלף" . It's a word, and his meaning is literally one thousand (1000).
And if you apply this to the years of Adam, he wasn't live one day (1000 years)
Good bless you brothers, study hebrew if you have the time, it's wonderful! To Yeshua HaMashiaj be all the glory and the honor for ever amén!
Why aren't Christians life spans longer
Why should they be? Christians have the same damaged DNA as anyone else that's alive today. In the beginning, Adam and Eve had perfect DNA, so they had no mutations, so no diseases. Their offspring would have had nearly perfect DNA, and lived a very long time, also. The oldest person in the Bible is Methusaleh, whom lived to 963 yrs old. Adam lived to 930 yrs old. After the Genesis Flood, people started living not so long, as some lived about 300 years old, and that number began to drop. People were allowed to marry relatives for the first 1,000 years, so the DNA slowly gained more mutations, and people began to live shorter lives. Laws were made about 3,000 b.c., during the time of Moses, to not be married to close relatives.
In Biblical times, there were no sports, beer, or cheeseburgers. So it only seemed like 900 years.
It's been shown that it only just a bad translation. I don't recall the very specific one but it confused years and months. Some scholars can show exactly where it happened long in the past. As for yourself, just devide those years by twelve and see how you get typical ages.