I got a 20 inch Meinl brass ride with a drum kit, and with a little hammering was able to get it more desirable for a jazz type ping ride. Also I totally wire sanded the top side giving it another look. I think thicker brass makes a difference as well as other alloys.
Thanks! I'll be making more videos showing various different mods and techniques to make from scratch. As for a brass china, I guess there's one way to find out!
My ride is a thick brass old meinl meteor, better than the newer meteor cymbals. i mostly play metal so it works well for me, good stick definition, short sustain especially since i have 2 moongels on the underside of it, and a nice sounding bell in my opinion. Totally useless crashability on it, but i have a 18 inch aax explosion crash which i use as a left side jazz ride, i might try putting a sizzle chain on the aax crash sometime
I've always loved brass hi-hats. I mean some of them suck, cause they're obviously not well made, but some of them sound surprisingly good, way better than cheap B8 hats. They are more controlled and lower pitched, which I personally tend to like
I almost sent a couple old B8 cymbals to Bruno Schell to make his fire magic on them, but then decided to try and sell them as they are. One of them is a Zildjian ZBT Plus, so I figured it would lose value if he messed around with it. But yeah, he really burns them up and they come out with a great sound.
You've ennobled those rifle cartridges more than they should ever deserve. I'm unsure if you know, however, the heating process is called "annealing". This will allow the stresses built up in the hammering process (work hardening) to release a bit and allow the metal to recrystallize and realign, making the metal less brittle (hard vs. tough).
They look better, anyway. I have to hear a directly adjacent before and after comparison, because they still sound a bit dull, but I'm sure the sound has improved. Nice work. Did you cobble together your own lathe? I s3e the wooden supports for the bar..... I've looking on Amazon for a cymbal lathe, and nothing turned up....
Yes I built my lathe about 10 years ago. I run a Patreon at www.patreon.com/collingwoodcymbals with lots of insights into everything to do with cymbal making! And just started a Discord server (currently more-or-less empty) to open this all up publicly, you can join with this invite link: discord.com/invite/GT8Jar89rY
That's crazy to see the difference in the sound, let alone the look of the cymbals! I feel like at the end of the day, if it sounds good, or fits the sound you're going for, that's what makes an ideal cymbal :) Are you actually selling these by any chance? I'm all for trying new and funky gear and applying them musically.
@@Catinthehackmatrix you know, I used to play my cheap ass brass crashes with a string, kinda like those percussion stands with multiple cymbals in line. Thank God I was able to buy some stands lol
Mine is around 285 (2850 motor with a 10:1 reduction gearbox). Apart from making this video, I never work on brass, only B20 bronze, so the speed suits that. Each material will respond differently to different speeds, I have no idea what would be more suitable for brass but there's a wealth of knowledge on the subject out there!
Wow! Quite a noticeable difference, very cool!!
Thanks! Hoping to show that there's at least a little room for improvement in these things.
Really cool! They sound real nice in the end, shows really that it's not always a material issue.
I got a 20 inch Meinl brass ride with a drum kit, and with a little hammering was able to get it more desirable for a jazz type ping ride. Also I totally wire sanded the top side giving it another look. I think thicker brass makes a difference as well as other alloys.
I gotta say they look a lot better, and pretty good now
Thanks! Yeah it's something, and hopefully, if nothing else it shows some options and ways of thinking about it.
Great vid. I've always wondered what a brass china might sound like.
Thanks! I'll be making more videos showing various different mods and techniques to make from scratch. As for a brass china, I guess there's one way to find out!
If you had brass cymbals long enough, you might hate them! Some metals are just limited. Thick, really thick brass rides, i can deal with.
I have found if they get a good amount of patina on them they can sound interesting
Yes! One of my learner rides was heavy brass - I swear it sounded nice with a sizzle chain.
My ride is a thick brass old meinl meteor, better than the newer meteor cymbals. i mostly play metal so it works well for me, good stick definition, short sustain especially since i have 2 moongels on the underside of it, and a nice sounding bell in my opinion. Totally useless crashability on it, but i have a 18 inch aax explosion crash which i use as a left side jazz ride, i might try putting a sizzle chain on the aax crash sometime
Mind blown! Sound 100% better!
I've always loved brass hi-hats. I mean some of them suck, cause they're obviously not well made, but some of them sound surprisingly good, way better than cheap B8 hats. They are more controlled and lower pitched, which I personally tend to like
Still has that "Trashy" (throat) sound when there open but for sure better than the original!
i hammered a pair of 12' of unmarked cymbals and the just doing that it makes sound better
I almost sent a couple old B8 cymbals to Bruno Schell to make his fire magic on them, but then decided to try and sell them as they are. One of them is a Zildjian ZBT Plus, so I figured it would lose value if he messed around with it. But yeah, he really burns them up and they come out with a great sound.
You gonna love Bruno schell from Brazil
Yeah I know Bruno, does awesome work!
You've ennobled those rifle cartridges more than they should ever deserve. I'm unsure if you know, however, the heating process is called "annealing". This will allow the stresses built up in the hammering process (work hardening) to release a bit and allow the metal to recrystallize and realign, making the metal less brittle (hard vs. tough).
They look better, anyway. I have to hear a directly adjacent before and after comparison, because they still sound a bit dull, but I'm sure the sound has improved. Nice work. Did you cobble together your own lathe? I s3e the wooden supports for the bar..... I've looking on Amazon for a cymbal lathe, and nothing turned up....
Yes I built my lathe about 10 years ago. I run a Patreon at www.patreon.com/collingwoodcymbals with lots of insights into everything to do with cymbal making! And just started a Discord server (currently more-or-less empty) to open this all up publicly, you can join with this invite link: discord.com/invite/GT8Jar89rY
So, why do companies don't make brass cymbals like it?
Because they're still pretty bad. Brass deforms easily too, not great material for this application ultimately.
You should have installed other way around when heating it up with flame.
Ok great thanks for the insight
only brass hihats ive ever heard that dont sound like garbage are the sabian/a&f drum co ankh hats
That's crazy to see the difference in the sound, let alone the look of the cymbals! I feel like at the end of the day, if it sounds good, or fits the sound you're going for, that's what makes an ideal cymbal :) Are you actually selling these by any chance? I'm all for trying new and funky gear and applying them musically.
Yeah I'll be listing these for sale, if you'd like to discuss it further please feel free to email me - dave@collingwoodcymbals.com
plz mod Paiste pst7
Zildjian Mega Bell Ride!😊
If one comes to me I'll document the process!
Where the link you were putting in description?
Oh sorry, I must have forgotten, what was it in reference to?
Man, you would laugh if you heard how my 14" orion twiser with multiple cracks (biggest one being about 2 inchs long) sound lol
Lol, the first kit i borrowed to practice, i found a cracked cymbal and hung it with a string,and we proceeded to play Rock of some kind!
@@Catinthehackmatrix you know, I used to play my cheap ass brass crashes with a string, kinda like those percussion stands with multiple cymbals in line. Thank God I was able to buy some stands lol
Hello ! how many RPM to work this machine?
Mine is around 285 (2850 motor with a 10:1 reduction gearbox). Apart from making this video, I never work on brass, only B20 bronze, so the speed suits that. Each material will respond differently to different speeds, I have no idea what would be more suitable for brass but there's a wealth of knowledge on the subject out there!
Excelent! Thanks 👍
Have you ever made a ride from brass?
No, but working on these did get me thinking about getting some brass sheet in for just that reason!
One of the best brass rides I've heard is Istanbul Agop MS-X, it's way over and above Paiste 101/PST3, Sabian SBR, Zildjian Planet Z, Meinl HCS
Cool, I'll check it out!@@nickcollins9893
@@CollingwoodcymbalsThose stainless steel low volume cymbals dont sound too bad either.
Nothing bad with cheap cymbals for beginners
It sounds like a Wuhan
They dont put much into Wuhans, but my crashes sure are strong, the western series. They are thin and trashy!
@jjcdrums I like Wuhan. 👍 imean I'll buy a ten pack and get 3 good ones lol quick attack heavy wash yeah baby! Punk rock
still terrible
Nice work but brass cymbals sound shit no matter what you do.. !
@arnabshahriar Yeah, trust me I'm not claiming they sound "good" now!