Can we talk about Buffy's influence on Anne? She was introduced as a follower, the basic cult follower always seeking someone or something to save her and take away her suffering. Then she got trafficked to a hell dimension and watched Buffy's courage and power for the second time in her life. Instead of latching on to Buffy, she took Buffy's alias and was inspired to be the force in other people's lives that ease their suffering. That kind of 180 takes an extreme amount of character!
Gunn wasn't doubting that they got attacked. He was doubting that they were simply minding their own business. The implication being that he knows the people he's talking to, and knows it's not out of the question that they were doing something unlawful at the time. He was the one who later made the crack about "walking while black," so he knows that getting hassled for no reason is a common experience.
I felt the same way. He know that is they were going be taking an action against the police precinct they need there stories as truthful as possibly and they'd be less likely to lie about what they'd been doing to him than Anne. It's like the attorney telling the victim that anything about your history could be used against you in court. So I need you to be completely honest with me about what lead to the attack. Yes it's unfair. Yes it's a lousy thing to do to someone who's been through something that terrible, but it's sometimes it has to be done.
Omg when Kate implies that the zombie cops were doing well for the community and stopping them from murdering a house of shelter kids among others was a bad thing….
I really love Kate too. She wasn’t just a potential love interest for Angel, she was a bad ass that goes down a dark path due to the death her dad and her world gets turned upside down. So glad you still like her, some reactors turn on her because she doesn’t blindly trust Angel anymore. But she is such a real and interesting person. That scene of her worrying about her dad is so heartbreaking.
That part where Kate thinks they may have done this to her father as well always gets me choked up. I feel so bad for her. Ever since this series started her life has been falling apart. Edit: Oh, I see it was your favorite scene too. Nice! 👍
Title: It's a play on "the thin blue line," which is a phrase commonly used to refer to the police force. Gunn: I could be misremembering the episode, but I think Gunn was skeptical of the people talking about the violent cops because he was familiar with the people talking and knew that they tended to be up to something. He clearly was aware that unfair cops were an issue (e.g., his "walking while black" comment), so I doubt it was a naive, "What? The police would never do such a thing!" type of deal. In terms of Cordy "getting Wes to the hospital no matter the cost," there was a joke about the American healthcare system just sitting there! XD
@@davidschmidt1884 Yeah, they like to make plays on existing titles like that. My favorite is "To Shanshu in LA," which is a delightful play on "To Live and Die in LA," given the ambiguity of "shanshu."
Yes I think you're right about Gunn. He wasn't completely rejection the story as much as he know one person had a prior criminal history that could have given him a reason to lie. Even this person had been buying drugs are something there still might have been a case for charges of brutality, but it would have been harder than if they attack was completely unprovoked. And if it turns out the person was lying even in part about what happened, that could whatever case they'd try to make for everyone else. It's also why he made a point of being as gentlemanly as possibly when they got that confrontation on camera. He know they should have prove these attacks were coming without charges or even a hint of provocation. A very risky move, but a well planned one.
God this episode has gotten more relevant as the years have passed. The title is a play on the expression "The Thin Blue Line"-referring to how most cops see themselves.
Honestly, I think you're dead wrong on Gunn. Gunn *knows* that the person in question is dirty and has a history of being dirty. His distrust is actually what a person from a bad neighborhood would jump to in that situation. Bad guys rarely change and frankly those closest and most impacted are the *least* likely to assume they've changed.
Black people aren't a monolith or a hive mind. Gunn being skeptical is reasonable because guess what people can lie. This isn't a difficult concept. Also, you gotta let the Kate thing go. Not a thing about their relationship is romantic.
I think that Gunn doubted them as a form of overcompensation. I think that explains him doing something seemingly out of character. He was actively trying to leave his former life behind.
Happy Anniversary is a better episode than this. Yeah, that one had a pretty gross murder-suicide vibe going for it, but it also had some great Angel/Lorne scenes and it moved the ongoing main arc of the show in fun and unique ways. This one is just copaganda, with Gunn distrusting people in his own community that were being legit beaten and murdered for no reason, while Kate praised the zombie police state for being the only thing preventing r***s and murders raging out of control.
Listen this may be shocking to some people but just because one person shares certain traits with another person that doesn't mean they share the same mindset. Gunn being skeptical is perfectly reasonable because people can lie.
@@MrSupertallblackman Yes, but they weren't lying. You know they weren't lying. The show explicitly shows us they were honest. It not only makes Gunn look like he's a terrible judge of character, but the show goes out of its way to bothsides police brutality. They concoct this violent drug dealer as the entire reason the police feel the need to be violent fascists to everyone, instead of conducting an actual investigation and arresting him. And this one police captain of one precinct has at least 32 zombie cops (I counted) that apparently died violently on duty, while the year this came out, only 146 in the entire country died while on duty, with only 70 of them being felonious, the rest being accidental like car crashes and steep falls. It's this right wing fantasy that crime is worse than it actually is, with the only solution being more police, more violence, more unchecked power. Apparently Jackson was singlehandedly responsible for half the police deaths in 2001. Terrible message, terrible episode, it would absolutely not be made today.
@@TigerNightmare Yes I know that but Gunn didn't. The characters don't have the information I do that's not how it works. Gunn points out that the guy that he was talking to was known for criminal activity. Gunn had every reason to be skeptical. Regardless of that it doesn't even matter because despite that skepticism Gunn still attempted to help them at great personal risk to himself and his friends.
@@MrSupertallblackman There's no kind of "criminal activity" where Gunn should be both unconcerned they're staying at Anne's shelter and suspicious they're responsible for violent police crackdowns on the community. Either they're violent scumbags that shouldn't even be there, or they commit crimes his character wouldn't care about that he would never blame them for pig cop behavior. One of his friends stole Angel's car.
@@TigerNightmare Yes there is skepticism is completely reasonable Gunn knows the person he's talking and knows that in his line of work he probably lies to people. The two things you said are both possible at the same time.
You cut out all the scenes with that racist woke black guy. I was really hoping you'd react to the scene where Gunn puts him in his place for his bigotry.
Can we talk about Buffy's influence on Anne? She was introduced as a follower, the basic cult follower always seeking someone or something to save her and take away her suffering. Then she got trafficked to a hell dimension and watched Buffy's courage and power for the second time in her life. Instead of latching on to Buffy, she took Buffy's alias and was inspired to be the force in other people's lives that ease their suffering. That kind of 180 takes an extreme amount of character!
Gunn wasn't doubting that they got attacked. He was doubting that they were simply minding their own business. The implication being that he knows the people he's talking to, and knows it's not out of the question that they were doing something unlawful at the time. He was the one who later made the crack about "walking while black," so he knows that getting hassled for no reason is a common experience.
I felt the same way. He know that is they were going be taking an action against the police precinct they need there stories as truthful as possibly and they'd be less likely to lie about what they'd been doing to him than Anne. It's like the attorney telling the victim that anything about your history could be used against you in court. So I need you to be completely honest with me about what lead to the attack. Yes it's unfair. Yes it's a lousy thing to do to someone who's been through something that terrible, but it's sometimes it has to be done.
Nothing prepares you for when Wesley gets shot. In a world full of vampires and demons the last thing you think of killing a main character is a gun.
And oddly, this is the start of Wesley using guns more often.
Other characters learned this, too.
Omg when Kate implies that the zombie cops were doing well for the community and stopping them from murdering a house of shelter kids among others was a bad thing….
I really love Kate too. She wasn’t just a potential love interest for Angel, she was a bad ass that goes down a dark path due to the death her dad and her world gets turned upside down. So glad you still like her, some reactors turn on her because she doesn’t blindly trust Angel anymore. But she is such a real and interesting person. That scene of her worrying about her dad is so heartbreaking.
She isn't a love interest at all in fact.
That part where Kate thinks they may have done this to her father as well always gets me choked up. I feel so bad for her. Ever since this series started her life has been falling apart.
Edit: Oh, I see it was your favorite scene too. Nice! 👍
"Anthony Stewart Head is best known for playing the role of Uther Pendragon in the TV Series Merlin." -- Reeeeeeeeally?
Finally done the filler episodes and crazy excited to get back to the regular storyline! ❤
Title: It's a play on "the thin blue line," which is a phrase commonly used to refer to the police force.
Gunn: I could be misremembering the episode, but I think Gunn was skeptical of the people talking about the violent cops because he was familiar with the people talking and knew that they tended to be up to something. He clearly was aware that unfair cops were an issue (e.g., his "walking while black" comment), so I doubt it was a naive, "What? The police would never do such a thing!" type of deal.
In terms of Cordy "getting Wes to the hospital no matter the cost," there was a joke about the American healthcare system just sitting there! XD
Also the title of 1988 movie about the police.
@@davidschmidt1884 Yeah, they like to make plays on existing titles like that. My favorite is "To Shanshu in LA," which is a delightful play on "To Live and Die in LA," given the ambiguity of "shanshu."
Yes I think you're right about Gunn. He wasn't completely rejection the story as much as he know one person had a prior criminal history that could have given him a reason to lie. Even this person had been buying drugs are something there still might have been a case for charges of brutality, but it would have been harder than if they attack was completely unprovoked. And if it turns out the person was lying even in part about what happened, that could whatever case they'd try to make for everyone else. It's also why he made a point of being as gentlemanly as possibly when they got that confrontation on camera. He know they should have prove these attacks were coming without charges or even a hint of provocation. A very risky move, but a well planned one.
8:45 Yep, finally we learn how The Master got his title, now passed on to Angel.
11:31 - 11:33 You know shit is real when you start cursing in your mother tounge!🤣It's the 2nd time I hear you doing that!
God this episode has gotten more relevant as the years have passed. The title is a play on the expression "The Thin Blue Line"-referring to how most cops see themselves.
Honestly, I think you're dead wrong on Gunn. Gunn *knows* that the person in question is dirty and has a history of being dirty. His distrust is actually what a person from a bad neighborhood would jump to in that situation. Bad guys rarely change and frankly those closest and most impacted are the *least* likely to assume they've changed.
love the predictometer - keep it!
The actor playing Kate was split between this and Law & Order, which limited her role.
Anybody else live for her Portuguese swearing? Just me?
Black people aren't a monolith or a hive mind. Gunn being skeptical is reasonable because guess what people can lie. This isn't a difficult concept.
Also, you gotta let the Kate thing go. Not a thing about their relationship is romantic.
A great episode and reaction.
I think that Gunn doubted them as a form of overcompensation. I think that explains him doing something seemingly out of character. He was actively trying to leave his former life behind.
Happy Anniversary is a better episode than this. Yeah, that one had a pretty gross murder-suicide vibe going for it, but it also had some great Angel/Lorne scenes and it moved the ongoing main arc of the show in fun and unique ways. This one is just copaganda, with Gunn distrusting people in his own community that were being legit beaten and murdered for no reason, while Kate praised the zombie police state for being the only thing preventing r***s and murders raging out of control.
Listen this may be shocking to some people but just because one person shares certain traits with another person that doesn't mean they share the same mindset. Gunn being skeptical is perfectly reasonable because people can lie.
@@MrSupertallblackman Yes, but they weren't lying. You know they weren't lying. The show explicitly shows us they were honest. It not only makes Gunn look like he's a terrible judge of character, but the show goes out of its way to bothsides police brutality.
They concoct this violent drug dealer as the entire reason the police feel the need to be violent fascists to everyone, instead of conducting an actual investigation and arresting him. And this one police captain of one precinct has at least 32 zombie cops (I counted) that apparently died violently on duty, while the year this came out, only 146 in the entire country died while on duty, with only 70 of them being felonious, the rest being accidental like car crashes and steep falls. It's this right wing fantasy that crime is worse than it actually is, with the only solution being more police, more violence, more unchecked power. Apparently Jackson was singlehandedly responsible for half the police deaths in 2001. Terrible message, terrible episode, it would absolutely not be made today.
@@TigerNightmare Yes I know that but Gunn didn't. The characters don't have the information I do that's not how it works. Gunn points out that the guy that he was talking to was known for criminal activity. Gunn had every reason to be skeptical. Regardless of that it doesn't even matter because despite that skepticism Gunn still attempted to help them at great personal risk to himself and his friends.
@@MrSupertallblackman There's no kind of "criminal activity" where Gunn should be both unconcerned they're staying at Anne's shelter and suspicious they're responsible for violent police crackdowns on the community. Either they're violent scumbags that shouldn't even be there, or they commit crimes his character wouldn't care about that he would never blame them for pig cop behavior. One of his friends stole Angel's car.
@@TigerNightmare Yes there is skepticism is completely reasonable Gunn knows the person he's talking and knows that in his line of work he probably lies to people. The two things you said are both possible at the same time.
You cut out all the scenes with that racist woke black guy. I was really hoping you'd react to the scene where Gunn puts him in his place for his bigotry.