I haven't played in almost 20 years, but this is my recollection as someone who played quite a bit back in the day... (Rankings based upon both solo & group; played most classes rather extensively, although a few perhaps only to around level 40) S - monk A - SK, shaman, enchanter, necro, mage, ranger, druid B - paladin, cleric, wizard, bard C - warrior, rogue S TIER Monk - solid soloer, mend is on a tolerable cooldown, vastly superior FD is great, good in groups A TIER SK - somewhat similar experience to a monk, but more gear dependent & inferior FD Shaman - slow, regens/heals, buffs, sow, pet, moderate DPS Enchanter - desirable in some ways, but soloing can be very dangerous & even charming while in a group is mildly dangerous; can either choose to be a buff bot or a buffer + risky DPS (a class good for OP players [try-hard gamblers] & garbage players [buff bots], but people in between would probably better with another class) Necro - good soloer, especially if there is room to fear kite, decent DPS in groups, inferior FD Mage - sorta necro with stronger pets & CH (summons a groupmate) instead of fear & FD Ranger - good soloer in open spaces, tracking, good DPS in groups, SOW Druid - decent healer, decent dps, excellent solo in open spaces, tracking, SOW, ports, evac; decent for groups, solo experience is solid B TIER Paladin - moderate solo/duo/trio; mildly overlooked due to bad dps & SK being better in many ways, but maybe slightly tankier and single target aggro & self-healing is easier; LOH on a crappy timer as compared to mend Cleric - good healer, but really likes a full group especially one with a slower; moderate soloer, but takes forever - desirable for groups, but solo experience is rather tedious Wizard - glass cannon with teleports & evac Bard - meh; decent in large groups, but weak soloer unless you want to low dps kite or charm kite in open spaces; I suppose I was able to kill plenty with charm kiting, but I never really felt like I was getting the full exp for it C TIER Warrior - decent for groups, but soloing gets progressively weaker & more tedious past level 30 Rogue - decent for groups, but overall sorta like a ranger that can't solo well (no snare kiting, backstabs difficult), no SOW, no tracking Worst soloers in the game, from absolute worst to kinda least worst... warrior rogue cleric (mildly decent, but takes forever - sometimes camps can't be broken due to lack of dps and/or recovery time) paladin (warrior + heals + undead nukes + faster recovery; not great, but it could be worse) bard (unless charm kiting or low dps kiting is an option, but I never really cared for it - exp seemed unimpressive for the amount of effort)
Your list is very accurate for a TLP. The only change major change I would put would be Mage bumped up to at least A tier or even S tier. The way pets work now and fresh TLPs. They straight carry groups to 50 with out even having to cast a spell. For Classic they are the DPS I look for before ANY other. They are just that good
I would also like to add that player skill can also play a major role. An extremely well played Paladin can really save groups where a Warrior, and SK cannot. They can do a lot of mob management with Roots. A well played bard is easily S tier, but most of them set their melody and more or less afk.
Paladins are outshined by every other class. Mages can root, druids can root, clerics can root, rangers snare, sk can snare, enchanters can mez, bards can mez... etc. Eq kind of f'd up paladins pretty bad. They are the worst class.
@@wingedhussar2909 Paladins can root, if that's the basis for your point. Paladins just happen to be one of several classes that don't come into their own immediately but do as expansions roll out. They work as tanks when you need a tank in any era. Optimal shouldn't be conflated with viability.
Yeah I agree with having a hefty precursor that this tier list doesn't automatically place you above/below haha.. Coming from a ranger main, if they utilize their classic abilities appropriately (Dots/harmony/tracking and pulling), you can easily be an S-tier group member. Unfortunately, too many players do 'bare bones' gameplay with their class, where this tier list then shines
paladins are so underrated. I actually like playing the pally more than SKs. Stuns are so convienent. stun charm breaks. stun CHs, stun casts, and they have Lull so they cna pull easily. Instant aggro on mezzed targets too with taunt/stun. They only problem is that they didnt give paladins low level stuns until luclin. Paladins really shine when they get their first stun at 28. Having the undead line nukes makes you extremely strong in LGuk and unrest
Monks are a great/fun class but a tough first class due to the weight restriction. I did play a monk, however, back in 99 as my main and it was a blast although a challenge as far as saving plat for gear.
I'm still planning on going necro. This will be my first TLP and I'm also coming in without any friends, a pre established guild, a static group or anything like that. Necromancers have a lot of self-sufficiency while also contributing to any groups I can join.
@@TBCNexus That works. I don't think you need to just target undead though. Necros are great at killing the living as well. I've thought a lot about class choice and the reason I scratched off Cleric was because I don't think it will feel good to be limited to either soloing only undead or have my exp gains be dictated by the whims of other people (can't do anything if no one invites you to a group after all).
Not sure what kind of Bards you are used to, but before /melody I learned how to crowd control in upper Velk's. I would pull multiples, charm one and have it fight for the group while keeping the rest minus one mezzed, adding whatever melee I could while twisting melee/regen songs. Bear in mind the small camp area, thin and sometimes slippery walkways. The Bards that sort of run in circles fumbling over swapping instruments gave us a bad image. Back in the day, a Bard in good hands was bad ass, period. If they had the wherewithal to twist their debuff/DoT songs they could do fairly adequate damage. Nowadays my Bard hits the top 10 DPS during raids.
Pre /melody all the way. Kinda crazy thinking back how used I was playing with WASD + mouse while twisting 1 2 3 4, pulling and chatting at the same time with no problems lol
Back in the day my bard would pull entire zones and run cicles weaving dots and selos and aoe slow. Back when dots did dmg when you moved. Good times. Miss Swarming.
I really wish they would have announced a Level Agnostic Server, like the way Elder Scrolls Online is now. That would be an amazing time. Using a leveled version of weapons like Polished Granite Tomahawk ;)
My list would probably be similar with minor tweaks. But mostly I only disagree with the druid placing. They're useful in groups and with the extra charm targets they just got alot more desirable
Seriously seeing the druid so low on the TLP makes me cringe. I've played necro, ranger, mage and druid quite a bit and out of them all I can safely say Druid is the one people have no idea what its capable of. Most people still go by the cliche label of 'jack of all and master of none' that was only true when Verant owned the game still.
@@chuckchuckerson5364 alot has changed since Ragefire thats for sure! the TLPs are great fun and nothing beats the experience of levelling up with everyone else at the same time.
So new to EQ. Compared to most of you guys at least. I’m confused as to why the Warrior is always welcomed in comparison to the Paladin if taunt is it’s main hate tool. Yeah yeah later I hear you get weapon procs, but just starting you won’t have access to these things.
Warriors have the best damage mitigation in the game, so they can take the most damage. One less player for the healer to constantly worry about. Also, they get automatic magic resistance at level intervals, plus you can dual wield to up your DPS, and they are the simplest class to play. No spells to worry about. You also get triple damage at later levels and they can do some really consistent criticals. They may not have much utility, but their survivability is second to none.
Because most of these things are overblown by people conflating optimal with viable. The fact is, assuming gear is up to par for a given level, most classic group content can be tanked by all three tank classes, just fine, and a lot of it could be tanked by rangers, monks, and bards too, with some key support being present like slow and good cc. Even a rogue in a lot of cases, if the group is up for accommodating it. You get the same thing with healers. Yes, druids fall in 3rd on the healer list for good reason, but if you accommodate it properly a druid healer is workable in a group. I made it to 50 on a druid on the 3rd day of an early TLP with a group I met overnight day 1 going into day 2 that was committed to grinding it out fast...Wasn't my plan, but they were cool and it just worked out that way. There were no clerics around when we were in guk the last day but we had an enchanter and bard and we made it work. Tank was a warrior, too. In certain content in certain eras, a lot of things aren't workable, but classic is probably the most forgiving. Most of these assessments are based on people wanting to have the laziest groups possible, honestly. Casters who can't be bothered to manage their aggro are going to have more problems with war tanks in classic than those who can.
Overall it looks good , but here are my thoughts: I'd definitely bump mages to at least A tier for classic, they carry hard, as a box or as a main. I'd also bump Shaman to S tier, they are without a doubt the best healing class with insane utility as well as damage output that rivals necros. I'd bump Necros to A tier as well, especially since they can charm undeads and you cango from level 10 to 45+ doing Unrest/Lower Guk Bard's are definitely A tier, if not S - There can be no doubt in my mind about that. Well played bards are incredible.
Eh few things right, few things wrong. It really depends what position you're analyzing the game from. If you're an average casual this list changes from the very best of the best raiding potential. From a high end raiding perspective I would make the following adjustments: Monk -> A Warrior -> B Shaman -> B Necro -> A Wiz -> A Paladin -> A Druid -> B Reasons for this are pretty simple, in high end OW contested mobs DPS is is all that matters. Warrior threat generation, even with shield of immaculate is just bad. No threat, no DPS. Pallys build threat faster, and can eat DTs then cycle LoH so they move up, wars move down. Monks are the best melee dps, great monks can compete with necros/wizzies/mages on some fights but they're rare. I recognize the potential of the class but mostly they slide down just a bit because compared to SK and enchanter, they just aren't on that level...yet. Shaman move down a lot, this video greatly overrepresents their dps options, and in raid scenarios they just get resisted. Yes slow is nice and keeps them at B. Druid, itemization options provides for a much larger mana pool and all your healers should be utilizing greater/sup (yes clerics included, if you're c healing anything other than pets you're bad). The video completely misses how broken druids are in classic and its the biggest misstep in this tier list. I don't play a druid, I'm only shilling them because I see their output. Couple their healing with a powerful damage shield (boosting tank damage to near top of the meter for some encounters) and druids are extremely valuable. The ability to port to places like SFG cant be overstated for racing other raids to encounters like vox. Necro/Wiz these classes will top your DPS meters on every fight not in sky. Wizzies bring added value with raid mobiliity. Necros are insane, they can reset their threat meter with FD which means more taps.
The thing I remember most about playing a cleric in EQ was that you never got any downtime. Anytime a fight was over (win or lose) you had to spend your time rezzing people. Everyone else is going to the bathroom, getting a snack and you are still working. hehe
Rogues bring non stop damage like a Mage they have no limiting factor unlike a wizard in which you go OOM and you're useless. Rogues are the best DPS for combined parses in raids because we dont have to rest. Rogues are NOT D. Our only limiting factor is a good piercing weapon. Standard rogues would be a C tier.
The reality of it on these TLPs is that Rogue at launch/Classic are just bad. With out weapons and haste. They are dead weight in groups and until they get BiS weapons and a solid haste item, they wont do much damage in raids. I played Rogue on 2 different TLPs and strongly advise against rolling as one at launch. Finding groups will be extremely hard. Getting gear even harder. By the end of Classic it can be worth becoming a rogue when you can get a RBB or CoF and get a dagger from Yael. Sadly they are D Tier
You get haste the first time you go to Plane of Sky which is in maybe in 10 days of a server opening? You don't need a BiS weapon. Yout outdamage warriors, rangers in groups and raids. No one is claiming they are A tier. But they are not D tier by far.
@@Laber77 Ya its also super easy to get gear. My guild it's been a running joke that most rogue items rot because there are so few of them. The few rogues you see are always decked out in gear!
Biggest thing you missed about rogues in classic is corpse retrieval. They're the invaluable reason your stuff is waiting for you at the zone in after the wipe instead of sitting under the bosses' feet where you have to somehow get to it naked. That alone pushes them to B tier at least.
Anyone with an invisible spell is just as good for corpse runs, so no. Rogues are only good for one thing, dps. And maybe making a buttload of money because there's nothing to spend money on except gear.
You are painfully off on druid. With the dot revamp druids were already in a good spot. Surely, they were behind Shaman but still a powerful class on TLP. Throw in the body type revamp and now they can charm many more mobs than before. They will have DPS, Healing, Utility, Ports etc. What's not to like? They should be in the top or next to top tier.
I do think with the charm changes they might be higher but I did make this prior to those so haven’t seen how they play out. Unfortunately from what I’ve seen in previous servers grouping as a Druid means lfg for ages as groups would rather a cleric , I’ve seen druids do some amazing things solo in chardok too
I played rogue on aradune I misunderstood - I thought low tier was like other games where it’s just slightly not as good Nope - rogues are absolute trash in EQ
@@MerknilashThey are easily the worst class in classic due to low skill caps (a problem several classes suffer from in that era) and lack of itemisation that fits their niche. It's a problem of compounding issues. That largely goes away with the first expansion and isn't even remotely an issue by the third. Beyond that, rogues top melee DPS, which is superior to caster DPS depending on content. If you were in Velious (Kunark, really) or beyond and had problems performing as a rogue, you either geared improperly or just didn't play the class well. Don't confuse the brief and stunted classic era with "EQ."
@@Merknilash Absolutely false. As I said, if this was your experience, there's something going on with how you are approaching gear or playing the class.
the TLP servers are official time locked progression servers. Theres a new one starting next month on May 25th , just as Classic Everquest, 8 weeks later Kunark unlocks, 8 weeks later Velious unlocks and so on. They are a great way to get that nostalgia fix. Also theres tons of QoL improvements (instances etc) which make levelling and raiding ALOT more enjoyable in my opnion.
A good necro is better than a bard because you dont need a tank or heals if fear works. They can also share mana to healers/enchanters to reduce downtime in a group. They have the second best cc in the game next to ENC due to roots/snare/mez. They are bad healers, but can actually do it haha.
I mean no disrespect but I am curious how serious you raid? The top DPS in classic is a wizard and it is not close. Rain spells rule EQ pretty much all the way through VT. Every so often a monk can keep up..mostly in SSRA when moving from raid target to raid target and wizards have to med, but a Fm wizard is top dps. This is true Classic-Luclin. Then there is some drop off in PoP/Gates, but it starts to ramp back up. Also in Classic Wizard is required to go to two of the raid zones in Classic...that alone and top DPS makes them S tier..(even with agents of change)
Wizard can do good dps on naggy and vox but it requires very careful positioning so they don’t get hit by their own rains but close enough to naggy , I’ve seen that work once or twice. This was purely looking at classic and how fun they are, in my opinion to play ( as an aside I should have laid out my critiera, realized that afterwards). The problem with wizards in clsssic is plane of sky, reduced to death touch eaters and that’s it as they cannot land anything after I think isle 3 or 4 ! Was also tlp focused where wizards are not required for any raids due to agent of change! Appreciate the comment as it did remind me of the rains and I’ve seen wizards definitely lay down the dps but from the logs I had primarily that was from kunark
Really good list, even if I disagree with some things like having THAT big of a disparency between SKs and Pally's which in my experience are fairly similar levels of group tank most the time (though of course SK's get better racials and more utility), the only other thing I'd say is that it's odd to bring up boxing as a thing related to a class's value, like Shaman and Bard are 2 of my favorite classes and I like to think I play them pretty well, and don't box, and they feel like 2 of the most powerful and useful classes for a group. Though this time, I think I'm gonna give tanking a go and you might've convinced me to try SK....
Considering Paladins get no low level stuns, they are absolutely inferior tanks in classic and even at end level, SK's pull better aggro meaning they are the better offtanks on raids. We've asked Daybreak to enable the SoL spells for years, but they refuse to make Paladins enjoyable *Shrug*
@@runepetersen5698 Hwut the hell did they do to Pallies? I only have played P99, but I have no idea how a Paladin would lose aggro ever unless they done fucked it up bad for Pallies on the TLPs. Flash of Light and stand closest to the mob, you have aggro forever and ever. You can use stuns if you want, but honestly blind just makes aggro not a thing as long as the grp knows to not stand inside the mob. So you can snap aggro with stuns, hold aggro with Flash, some CC by way of roots, and if TLP is at all consistent with the original trilogy, you will get damn good heals and buffs by the time Velious rolls around. The only downside that I ever had coutning against me was the hybrid exp penalty on P99.
When Daybreak start a new server in the original game, does the old class abilities and old loots return as well? I miss swam kiting, And I am interested in farming the old loots that I missed out the first time around such as Rubicite and the old Planar gears
After hitting 50 on bard 1st time onSaturday on Yelinak & being a puller , I really think bard is S+ . Being able to pull that fast lull Mezzing. They are literally nuts and very demanding if your solo piloting effectively . Howdy - 50 bard
There are 3 changes I would make to this list. Mages should be S or at the very least A. Necro are kind of hard to rank because wen it comes to sole they are S but when it comes to groups they are more B there useful but they are much better sole. And the last change I would make would be that I think druids should be hier on the list because they are vary useful in groups.
Mage has best DS In a group I want the tank yo hold threat. The best is ranger nothing compares. For classic they gear agi and not like a rogue and there’s no survival issues Necro is god tier grouping. You overlook mez, charm, pulling, FD, healing, twitch and if we talking classic you’re in unrest/lower guk which means undead nuking
Rangers are super useable as tanks in classic and kunark. Both in groups and death touch tanking. Not so great on dps but insane pullers. They lose all this and become rough in a lot of velious. Then they go to S tier in luclin.
There should be an F tier. Also Clerics are clearly S tier in classic. i don't think SKs become S tier in classic, though they are S tier thru most of EQ history, early on they are definitely more squishy than Warriors so i'd give them A tier. Monk's i'd move to A tier. Necro's i'd move up to B tier, simply for the fact they don't need a group to accomplish what a lot of groups do.
Bruh, what? Both Pally and SK are better than Warriors, in every way. No Defensive means warriors literally serve no benefit over the hybrids. Pally also gets a 50% rez in Classic. Warriors aren't even MT in raids in Classic except for a single PoFear boss for Fearless. Shaman at A? Absolutely necessary to have for Slows and tied for the biggest DoTs in the game. Clerics A, too? Only 96% in the game, and literally necessary for all raids. Necro C? Literally with Sham for best Dots in the game and necessary on raids where they can get max ticks off of all their DoTs, let alone Taps all being -100 resists.
Very wrong on necro. Theyre a pet class and can charm. Their poison dot line can get to about 8 seconds left on reds and its solid damage. They can also heal and mez making them an incredible support class. They were never intended to be a pure dps class. They have infinite mana, roots, mezes, FD for pulling, a 500 dmg nuke, snare, heals, and a pet.
I’ve got a good friend who always mains Druid and he tells me I’m wrong I think there’s a strong perception out there that they are jack of all trades, Master or none! I wouldn’t be comfortable with a Druid main healer unless I had a sham to slow though ! I do think with the recent changes they did get a huge boost so I do expect I’ll be moving them on up come kunark!
@@TBCNexus Even as healer druids are amazing unless you are talking about chaining Complete heals during a raid. Keeping their own group alive has never been an issue. There is a difference between good and bad druids, just like there is between good and bad enchanters and bards. Or any class! But when you see a druid that knows how to use snare and root to kite adds during bad pulls, keeps eye on tracking for every named pop, heals just as good as a shaman and has evac/ports to help get the group in and out alive you realize how amazing they are. Druids are broken in the hands of a good player. With an enchanter in the group for mana a druid can really shine! Even their utility to make platinum and power level makes them far above D tier when you exclude everything else they can do.
So this is up to Velious right? And you haven't ranked Monks as a tank? Despite being the S-Tier group tank in both Kunark and Velious... Even if its just for pre-expansion EQ, then Monks are still better tanks than Paladins!
I don't think you ever saw any true Druid Gods. I was one of the first Druids to ever finish the epic quest. I had full Fear Gear. I used to be able to Solo Golden Imp no problem. Also the Fungus King I could lock him down for days between root and snare, slap on some DOT's its all over. Now granted in big warfare stuff druids are good for spot nukes spot heals, or peeling. But for soloing I don't think any character could touch a druid or even come close.
I mean hes completely wrong about paladins on tlps you have knights tank in sky (a knight can tank anything aswell as a warrior in clasic because no discs) sks just prefet to dps usually because mobs mem blur/slow and they have the same hp/ac as warrior sks would rather dps and pallys have loh making them great raid tanks in classic you also chose them over warriors in g rp because people like to go ham and stuns > anything a warrior can do grp wise its kunark where pallys fall off because sks and warriors gain really strong discs and pallys don't get crap then come back strong in velious because you can gain a huge mana pool and heal the grp easily especially if geared
This is not completely true.Warriors have a slightly higher AC cap which allows more mitigation. its about 10% more ac and also warriors have about 5% more ac when over the cap. Matters more with late game gear however.
Oooof!!! I have to disagree on bards. Just a bard as full melody afk is B tier lol Any effort beyond that is already an S tier class due to the fact they are so versatile while enhancing the group overall.
Bard get really really good when they get their versatility, a PoP+ bard is such a fun class to play, but in classic, ive always found them a bit boring without the tools that make them awesome!
@@TBCNexus ok so let’s just assume your pov is accurate for classic. And they are a B tier class… from kunark on minimum of A tier even when you don’t know how to play them lol. They are such a strong class
@@scottromero2536 totally agree, very strong class! early on the big downside is those that are botted, i always try to at least do a few PUGS on a new TLP and ran into bards that are clearly boxxed that might as well not be there.
TLP classic everquest Druids are not the same old "can do everything but good at nothing" ignorant players label them as. Over the years the class has had countless face lifts. Most recently druids were given the ability to charm a plethora of new mobs with their charm line more than doubling their value as a charmer. They just made it so their banish line of nukes which are some of the strongest period in classic were extended to work on constructs, clockworks, elementals and all summoned beings. Years ago with the dot consolidation the druid Kunark click dot was doubled in power making them extremely over powered during Kunark era. If you could get a set early you could solo without any mana at all even in zones like Old Seb as long as you have resist gear on. You should give a disclaimer you haven't played all classes very much, read any updates and are bias with your tier list.
This tier list is good for the average player, and sometimes you talk about grouping and sometimes you don't. Make up your mind? Also, you are not really involving skill with the class. Some classes, such as Bards and Necros are easily S tier when played well. Group play of an enchanter and a cleric can literally 2-man 99% of the content.
Well I am just going to politely tell ya. You clearly have never seen a well played necro or what they can do. Not shocked, there were only 3 on my server back in 1999 and 2000. yes it takes actual skill/zone/mob knowledge to play one in a group in classic and not be a useless exp sink. It is a lot of odd spell selection and aggro balance. It is a really easy way to separate out good and bad tanks. The other issue overlapping spells, but that is a whole mess onto itself. Played correctly, you are 3 things, a dd turret, pet dps the rogue and monk pets are brilliant, then there is knowing how much dps the group is putting out and selecting your dots accordingly snare and poison are the most common two. The disease takes to long to build typically but does more damage if it maxes out, but between the cast time, mana cost and build time it typically gets this spell line on the shelf in groups. unless you can split cast with a shaman or a second necro. Then you are balancing the lich line with the dd spell and life tap. Being sloppy with life tap is funny because of the double aggro hit dd+heal, so it is a they are fleeing spell I group, when soloing it is basically the only dd used. Down/up Ranking spells is also critical for necros in groups. However this can seriously mess with both expected aggro, and also spell resistance. You can also just invalidate your dps, lol. With a good tank you can drop at level spells like candy and just jack the dps, a mediocre tank will have you playing real or fake dirt nap... as you are probably in lich form, that extra damage makes ya extra squishy
Haha Well I would say in classic I would always prefer a sk in a group ! But paladins do good in undead zones they have nice stuns too and a cool flaming sword
just my opinion! Mages get lowered because you can 1 macro most group activities to /pet attack, stand, cast nuke and sit. Necros are not too dissimilar but are lowered just because the dots dont really bring value in an xp group and find it hard to get groups!
Necro: Dead on, maybe even a D. Mained a Necro in classic. No one wanted you. Even Lguk you were one of the last choices for groups. Raids? It was CHARITY if they took you. Shortly before/after kunark they gave you some corpse summoning and a res that cost a fortune to use, so most raids took one or two as wipe insurance (run away and feign or zone in and summon then res a cleric)... and the literal most awful spell line in the game that turned you into a mana battery... where you'd just cast to give someone mana at 1/3 efficiency. Tell me you're a lazy dev with no ideas how to make a caster useful without telling me you're a lazy dev with no ideas. (OH you want to be USEFUL on raids? How about you give your mana to a CLASS WE GIVE A CRAP ABOUT INSTEAD?) Endgame as necro was absolutely horrible. You could solo in open areas against mobs who didn't have good resists. Whoopdeedoo. Bard: Under-ranked. Solid adps / support option for grouping and one of the best choices for raid fill. I'd say A. Would be S, but yeah early leveling is pretty painful... and easily most skill-demanding class... by a factor of ten. Druid: Ehhhh... they are fine at getting groups. Yeah they're last choice among healers... but that makes them the 3rd or 4th most in demand class for grouping. I've seen damn near every class in the game "tank" classic EQ content back in the day when you couldn't find a tank. I've seen Rangers "heal" a time or two in classic... never lasted more than a few minutes. Top 3 classes for a group were the 3 healers. I never saw any healer ever struggle to find a group. Tanks rarely did, but it happened. That alone pulls Druid out of D... Also their DoT's were fine. Just generally feels like you underrated every aspect of the class. Low A, High B SK: yeah, dummy broken. You want a tank? You want an SK. Warrior/Pally were closer to nontank tanks than they were to SK. Most clear S in game. Until shortly after PoF/PoH dropped... Harm touch was irresistible. Then a group of like 100 SK's insta-killed CT by just simultaneously Harm Touching him... That's the only nerf I think I've ever heard of SK's getting. Mage: S, Easy. Probably best DPS in game for almost all content in classic. Easily second best soloer and best for a lot of content. Their pet was straight up broken at a LOT of levels in classic. Rogue, Ranger, Wizard. C You want DPS and cant get one of the DPS you actually want? You'll take one. Monk, Second best DPS to Mage and easiest chain puller in game. Yes please. S. Shaman, Do absolutely everything except CCing and tanking... almost as good as the best class at each? S. Cleric, S for power/ease. D for the fact they were PAINFUL to play. Warrior/Paladin B. Yes, they were inferior to Sk. but they got groups and even raids easy enough. TLDR: S: SK > Mage > Shaman > Monk A: Bard B: Druid > Warrior = Paladin C: Ranger > Wizard > Rogue D: Necro Why do you hate yourself: Cleric
Druid D tier in classic is crazy, nothing is on the same tier as rogue Necro in C tier is just ??? are you trolling or ??? No one that has played a classic tlp can look someone in the eyes and say necro is C tier, they are S+ easy Stop making content bro this is awful
Then the necros you have grouped with are lazy. Nor are you looking at what all necros can bring to the group. Yes, the dots do take time to get max damage. Most of the time do not reach full duration. However what the necro does bring is constant damage. While you mage and wiz have to sit and med, the mana regen on necro keeps them doing constant damage. Your tank is a warrior? Necros can snare. Or would you rather your almost dead mob run and get help from his freinds? No CC in the group? Necros can mez. Grant it not as good as enc or bard, but will do in a pinch. But a necro can hold 2 mobs mezzed at a time. Use to do that in The Hole, and not just the undead. Necros can also heal. Yes, laugh if you will, necro heals are not the best. But can be done. And this is all in the group game which was the main focus of the video. No I wouldn't rank them in group content in S or A. But if the necro is played well, I would go B with them. I love the necro class not only because of the soloablity but also what I can bring to the group. And I do get tells for groups often because I play the class.
Funny thing is I’m actually going to have 2 necros in my levelling group on Yelinak! We’re going to stick to undead zones , Maybe that’ll change my mind
@@rardenraynes7470 thanks for the comment, I mained a necro on phinny and to date was probably my favorite main played him all the way to underfoot. But what sucks early on for necros is that there are usually a lot of them and you spend along time /lfg if you are not prepared to start your own group! When doing group content mobs should be going down fast , which renders the dots pointless if mob dies in less than 3 ticks , which leaves necros with tap in non undead zones. I’m planning to have 2 necros in my static on Yelinak and we’re sticking to undead zones who knows maybe that’ll change my opinion!
@@TBCNexus Charming as a necro is fun as well. If you stick with undead and the necros are charming, if you have an enchanter as well, just sit back and watch your xp bar move. hehe Although not classic, I loved charm soloing Howling Stones.
I haven't played in almost 20 years, but this is my recollection as someone who played quite a bit back in the day...
(Rankings based upon both solo & group; played most classes rather extensively, although a few perhaps only to around level 40)
S - monk
A - SK, shaman, enchanter, necro, mage, ranger, druid
B - paladin, cleric, wizard, bard
C - warrior, rogue
S TIER
Monk - solid soloer, mend is on a tolerable cooldown, vastly superior FD is great, good in groups
A TIER
SK - somewhat similar experience to a monk, but more gear dependent & inferior FD
Shaman - slow, regens/heals, buffs, sow, pet, moderate DPS
Enchanter - desirable in some ways, but soloing can be very dangerous & even charming while in a group is mildly dangerous; can either choose to be a buff bot or a buffer + risky DPS (a class good for OP players [try-hard gamblers] & garbage players [buff bots], but people in between would probably better with another class)
Necro - good soloer, especially if there is room to fear kite, decent DPS in groups, inferior FD
Mage - sorta necro with stronger pets & CH (summons a groupmate) instead of fear & FD
Ranger - good soloer in open spaces, tracking, good DPS in groups, SOW
Druid - decent healer, decent dps, excellent solo in open spaces, tracking, SOW, ports, evac; decent for groups, solo experience is solid
B TIER
Paladin - moderate solo/duo/trio; mildly overlooked due to bad dps & SK being better in many ways, but maybe slightly tankier and single target aggro & self-healing is easier; LOH on a crappy timer as compared to mend
Cleric - good healer, but really likes a full group especially one with a slower; moderate soloer, but takes forever - desirable for groups, but solo experience is rather tedious
Wizard - glass cannon with teleports & evac
Bard - meh; decent in large groups, but weak soloer unless you want to low dps kite or charm kite in open spaces; I suppose I was able to kill plenty with charm kiting, but I never really felt like I was getting the full exp for it
C TIER
Warrior - decent for groups, but soloing gets progressively weaker & more tedious past level 30
Rogue - decent for groups, but overall sorta like a ranger that can't solo well (no snare kiting, backstabs difficult), no SOW, no tracking
Worst soloers in the game, from absolute worst to kinda least worst...
warrior
rogue
cleric (mildly decent, but takes forever - sometimes camps can't be broken due to lack of dps and/or recovery time)
paladin (warrior + heals + undead nukes + faster recovery; not great, but it could be worse)
bard (unless charm kiting or low dps kiting is an option, but I never really cared for it - exp seemed unimpressive for the amount of effort)
Your list is very accurate for a TLP. The only change major change I would put would be Mage bumped up to at least A tier or even S tier. The way pets work now and fresh TLPs. They straight carry groups to 50 with out even having to cast a spell. For Classic they are the DPS I look for before ANY other. They are just that good
I would also like to add that player skill can also play a major role. An extremely well played Paladin can really save groups where a Warrior, and SK cannot. They can do a lot of mob management with Roots. A well played bard is easily S tier, but most of them set their melody and more or less afk.
Paladins are outshined by every other class. Mages can root, druids can root, clerics can root, rangers snare, sk can snare, enchanters can mez, bards can mez... etc. Eq kind of f'd up paladins pretty bad. They are the worst class.
@@wingedhussar2909 Paladins can root, if that's the basis for your point.
Paladins just happen to be one of several classes that don't come into their own immediately but do as expansions roll out. They work as tanks when you need a tank in any era.
Optimal shouldn't be conflated with viability.
S- Necro, Mage, Bard. A - Monk, Enchanter, Shaman, SK. B - Warrior, Ranger, Druid. C - Cleric, Rogue, Wizard. D- Paladin.
Cleric is always S tier.
Yeah I agree with having a hefty precursor that this tier list doesn't automatically place you above/below haha.. Coming from a ranger main, if they utilize their classic abilities appropriately (Dots/harmony/tracking and pulling), you can easily be an S-tier group member. Unfortunately, too many players do 'bare bones' gameplay with their class, where this tier list then shines
Im a ranger main on oakwynd and having a lot of fun ! I’ve pulled, tanked, saves the group with backup heals! Been great
Subbed and liked anyone covering my all time fav game deserves it. Keep up the good content brother
paladins are so underrated. I actually like playing the pally more than SKs. Stuns are so convienent. stun charm breaks. stun CHs, stun casts, and they have Lull so they cna pull easily. Instant aggro on mezzed targets too with taunt/stun. They only problem is that they didnt give paladins low level stuns until luclin. Paladins really shine when they get their first stun at 28. Having the undead line nukes makes you extremely strong in LGuk and unrest
Monks are a great/fun class but a tough first class due to the weight restriction. I did play a monk, however, back in 99 as my main and it was a blast although a challenge as far as saving plat for gear.
I'm still planning on going necro. This will be my first TLP and I'm also coming in without any friends, a pre established guild, a static group or anything like that. Necromancers have a lot of self-sufficiency while also contributing to any groups I can join.
I’m actually playing with 2 necros in my levelling group so we’re targeting undead zones as much as possible
@@TBCNexus That works. I don't think you need to just target undead though. Necros are great at killing the living as well. I've thought a lot about class choice and the reason I scratched off Cleric was because I don't think it will feel good to be limited to either soloing only undead or have my exp gains be dictated by the whims of other people (can't do anything if no one invites you to a group after all).
Just discovered your channel. Great content! Very knowledgeable about the game and the meta. Looking forward to more!
Thanks for the feedback more videos coming very soon!
Not sure what kind of Bards you are used to, but before /melody I learned how to crowd control in upper Velk's. I would pull multiples, charm one and have it fight for the group while keeping the rest minus one mezzed, adding whatever melee I could while twisting melee/regen songs. Bear in mind the small camp area, thin and sometimes slippery walkways. The Bards that sort of run in circles fumbling over swapping instruments gave us a bad image. Back in the day, a Bard in good hands was bad ass, period. If they had the wherewithal to twist their debuff/DoT songs they could do fairly adequate damage.
Nowadays my Bard hits the top 10 DPS during raids.
Pre /melody all the way. Kinda crazy thinking back how used I was playing with WASD + mouse while twisting 1 2 3 4, pulling and chatting at the same time with no problems lol
Back in the day my bard would pull entire zones and run cicles weaving dots and selos and aoe slow. Back when dots did dmg when you moved. Good times. Miss Swarming.
I really wish they would have announced a Level Agnostic Server, like the way Elder Scrolls Online is now. That would be an amazing time. Using a leveled version of weapons like Polished Granite Tomahawk ;)
They did try it with eq2 a few months ago, not heard much in the way of feedback or if there is much appetite to try it with eq1
folks hate on rogues because they can't be boxed easily. time to double my corpse retrieval charge.
It’s easier now that autoskill exists , positioning still a pain, play a rogue and your a guaranteed to get your best in slot usually!
My list would probably be similar with minor tweaks. But mostly I only disagree with the druid placing. They're useful in groups and with the extra charm targets they just got alot more desirable
Will be interesting to see how the charm changes effect druids , I think it will be much stronger in kunark than classic
Their ability to power level shouldn't be overlooked either
@@Shoop... they do make good solo power levellers
Seriously seeing the druid so low on the TLP makes me cringe. I've played necro, ranger, mage and druid quite a bit and out of them all I can safely say Druid is the one people have no idea what its capable of.
Most people still go by the cliche label of 'jack of all and master of none' that was only true when Verant owned the game still.
@@elevatormusicirelia9043 I have a friend that solo great things but mostly in kunark! I do think charm changes will see them up the list
Thanks bud, appreciate all content you do. I'm super hyped, keep it coming 😎👍
Thanks for the comment , I’m looking forward to Yelinak
@@TBCNexus Same, I'm even playing a little bit of retail on preparation. Last TLP I played was Ragefire, and man it was a blast.
@@chuckchuckerson5364 alot has changed since Ragefire thats for sure! the TLPs are great fun and nothing beats the experience of levelling up with everyone else at the same time.
So new to EQ. Compared to most of you guys at least. I’m confused as to why the Warrior is always welcomed in comparison to the Paladin if taunt is it’s main hate tool. Yeah yeah later I hear you get weapon procs, but just starting you won’t have access to these things.
Because it's always good to become friends with players who will later be essential in endgame content
Warriors have the best damage mitigation in the game, so they can take the most damage. One less player for the healer to constantly worry about. Also, they get automatic magic resistance at level intervals, plus you can dual wield to up your DPS, and they are the simplest class to play. No spells to worry about. You also get triple damage at later levels and they can do some really consistent criticals. They may not have much utility, but their survivability is second to none.
Because most of these things are overblown by people conflating optimal with viable. The fact is, assuming gear is up to par for a given level, most classic group content can be tanked by all three tank classes, just fine, and a lot of it could be tanked by rangers, monks, and bards too, with some key support being present like slow and good cc. Even a rogue in a lot of cases, if the group is up for accommodating it.
You get the same thing with healers. Yes, druids fall in 3rd on the healer list for good reason, but if you accommodate it properly a druid healer is workable in a group. I made it to 50 on a druid on the 3rd day of an early TLP with a group I met overnight day 1 going into day 2 that was committed to grinding it out fast...Wasn't my plan, but they were cool and it just worked out that way. There were no clerics around when we were in guk the last day but we had an enchanter and bard and we made it work. Tank was a warrior, too.
In certain content in certain eras, a lot of things aren't workable, but classic is probably the most forgiving. Most of these assessments are based on people wanting to have the laziest groups possible, honestly. Casters who can't be bothered to manage their aggro are going to have more problems with war tanks in classic than those who can.
Overall it looks good , but here are my thoughts:
I'd definitely bump mages to at least A tier for classic, they carry hard, as a box or as a main.
I'd also bump Shaman to S tier, they are without a doubt the best healing class with insane utility as well as damage output that rivals necros.
I'd bump Necros to A tier as well, especially since they can charm undeads and you cango from level 10 to 45+ doing Unrest/Lower Guk
Bard's are definitely A tier, if not S - There can be no doubt in my mind about that. Well played bards are incredible.
Going cleric this time around, I hope I won't regret it! :P
Eh few things right, few things wrong. It really depends what position you're analyzing the game from. If you're an average casual this list changes from the very best of the best raiding potential. From a high end raiding perspective I would make the following adjustments:
Monk -> A
Warrior -> B
Shaman -> B
Necro -> A
Wiz -> A
Paladin -> A
Druid -> B
Reasons for this are pretty simple, in high end OW contested mobs DPS is is all that matters. Warrior threat generation, even with shield of immaculate is just bad. No threat, no DPS. Pallys build threat faster, and can eat DTs then cycle LoH so they move up, wars move down.
Monks are the best melee dps, great monks can compete with necros/wizzies/mages on some fights but they're rare. I recognize the potential of the class but mostly they slide down just a bit because compared to SK and enchanter, they just aren't on that level...yet.
Shaman move down a lot, this video greatly overrepresents their dps options, and in raid scenarios they just get resisted. Yes slow is nice and keeps them at B.
Druid, itemization options provides for a much larger mana pool and all your healers should be utilizing greater/sup (yes clerics included, if you're c healing anything other than pets you're bad). The video completely misses how broken druids are in classic and its the biggest misstep in this tier list. I don't play a druid, I'm only shilling them because I see their output. Couple their healing with a powerful damage shield (boosting tank damage to near top of the meter for some encounters) and druids are extremely valuable. The ability to port to places like SFG cant be overstated for racing other raids to encounters like vox.
Necro/Wiz these classes will top your DPS meters on every fight not in sky. Wizzies bring added value with raid mobiliity. Necros are insane, they can reset their threat meter with FD which means more taps.
Great list and suggestions !
The thing I remember most about playing a cleric in EQ was that you never got any downtime. Anytime a fight was over (win or lose) you had to spend your time rezzing people. Everyone else is going to the bathroom, getting a snack and you are still working. hehe
@Mike Valadez Have you raided in EQ? Have a seat sir.
Only if you had an epic, otherwise you were going to be medding for a while between rezzes.
Rogues bring non stop damage like a Mage they have no limiting factor unlike a wizard in which you go OOM and you're useless. Rogues are the best DPS for combined parses in raids because we dont have to rest. Rogues are NOT D. Our only limiting factor is a good piercing weapon. Standard rogues would be a C tier.
Until epic there's not really any outstanding piercing.
The reality of it on these TLPs is that Rogue at launch/Classic are just bad. With out weapons and haste. They are dead weight in groups and until they get BiS weapons and a solid haste item, they wont do much damage in raids. I played Rogue on 2 different TLPs and strongly advise against rolling as one at launch. Finding groups will be extremely hard. Getting gear even harder. By the end of Classic it can be worth becoming a rogue when you can get a RBB or CoF and get a dagger from Yael. Sadly they are D Tier
You get haste the first time you go to Plane of Sky which is in maybe in 10 days of a server opening? You don't need a BiS weapon. Yout outdamage warriors, rangers in groups and raids. No one is claiming they are A tier. But they are not D tier by far.
@@Laber77 Ya its also super easy to get gear. My guild it's been a running joke that most rogue items rot because there are so few of them. The few rogues you see are always decked out in gear!
Rogues are easily B druids C
I choose my Monktank. Massive DPS, Can heal, Best things is I can FD and everyone dies but me.
Biggest thing you missed about rogues in classic is corpse retrieval. They're the invaluable reason your stuff is waiting for you at the zone in after the wipe instead of sitting under the bosses' feet where you have to somehow get to it naked. That alone pushes them to B tier at least.
Anyone with an invisible spell is just as good for corpse runs, so no. Rogues are only good for one thing, dps. And maybe making a buttload of money because there's nothing to spend money on except gear.
A good druid in groups has evac and can avoid needing to res all together
You are painfully off on druid. With the dot revamp druids were already in a good spot. Surely, they were behind Shaman but still a powerful class on TLP. Throw in the body type revamp and now they can charm many more mobs than before. They will have DPS, Healing, Utility, Ports etc. What's not to like? They should be in the top or next to top tier.
I do think with the charm changes they might be higher but I did make this prior to those so haven’t seen how they play out. Unfortunately from what I’ve seen in previous servers grouping as a Druid means lfg for ages as groups would rather a cleric , I’ve seen druids do some amazing things solo in chardok too
[Cries in Rogue]
I played rogue on aradune
I misunderstood - I thought low tier was like other games where it’s just slightly not as good
Nope - rogues are absolute trash in EQ
@@MerknilashThey are easily the worst class in classic due to low skill caps (a problem several classes suffer from in that era) and lack of itemisation that fits their niche. It's a problem of compounding issues.
That largely goes away with the first expansion and isn't even remotely an issue by the third. Beyond that, rogues top melee DPS, which is superior to caster DPS depending on content. If you were in Velious (Kunark, really) or beyond and had problems performing as a rogue, you either geared improperly or just didn't play the class well.
Don't confuse the brief and stunted classic era with "EQ."
@@pscottnelson rogues are absolute trash in classic and still just mid tier in kunark and velious
@@Merknilash Absolutely false. As I said, if this was your experience, there's something going on with how you are approaching gear or playing the class.
It’s not false at all
Play with better players or with people who aren’t afk
Rogue sucks unless you got vulak dagger until pop
I miss my mage. What is a TLP server? I have been away from EQ for a LONG LONG time 18ish yrs
the TLP servers are official time locked progression servers. Theres a new one starting next month on May 25th , just as Classic Everquest, 8 weeks later Kunark unlocks, 8 weeks later Velious unlocks and so on. They are a great way to get that nostalgia fix. Also theres tons of QoL improvements (instances etc) which make levelling and raiding ALOT more enjoyable in my opnion.
I think your mage and necro should both be +1 but good list none the less!
Agreed with this statement
A good necro is better than a bard because you dont need a tank or heals if fear works. They can also share mana to healers/enchanters to reduce downtime in a group. They have the second best cc in the game next to ENC due to roots/snare/mez. They are bad healers, but can actually do it haha.
Rangers are "D" for "death-touch" tier.
everyone loves rangers come Luclin though!
I mean no disrespect but I am curious how serious you raid? The top DPS in classic is a wizard and it is not close. Rain spells rule EQ pretty much all the way through VT. Every so often a monk can keep up..mostly in SSRA when moving from raid target to raid target and wizards have to med, but a Fm wizard is top dps. This is true Classic-Luclin. Then there is some drop off in PoP/Gates, but it starts to ramp back up. Also in Classic Wizard is required to go to two of the raid zones in Classic...that alone and top DPS makes them S tier..(even with agents of change)
Wizard can do good dps on naggy and vox but it requires very careful positioning so they don’t get hit by their own rains but close enough to naggy , I’ve seen that work once or twice. This was purely looking at classic and how fun they are, in my opinion to play ( as an aside I should have laid out my critiera, realized that afterwards). The problem with wizards in clsssic is plane of sky, reduced to death touch eaters and that’s it as they cannot land anything after I think isle 3 or 4 ! Was also tlp focused where wizards are not required for any raids due to agent of change! Appreciate the comment as it did remind me of the rains and I’ve seen wizards definitely lay down the dps but from the logs I had primarily that was from kunark
Really good list, even if I disagree with some things like having THAT big of a disparency between SKs and Pally's which in my experience are fairly similar levels of group tank most the time (though of course SK's get better racials and more utility), the only other thing I'd say is that it's odd to bring up boxing as a thing related to a class's value, like Shaman and Bard are 2 of my favorite classes and I like to think I play them pretty well, and don't box, and they feel like 2 of the most powerful and useful classes for a group. Though this time, I think I'm gonna give tanking a go and you might've convinced me to try SK....
Considering Paladins get no low level stuns, they are absolutely inferior tanks in classic and even at end level, SK's pull better aggro meaning they are the better offtanks on raids. We've asked Daybreak to enable the SoL spells for years, but they refuse to make Paladins enjoyable *Shrug*
@@runepetersen5698 Hwut the hell did they do to Pallies? I only have played P99, but I have no idea how a Paladin would lose aggro ever unless they done fucked it up bad for Pallies on the TLPs. Flash of Light and stand closest to the mob, you have aggro forever and ever. You can use stuns if you want, but honestly blind just makes aggro not a thing as long as the grp knows to not stand inside the mob. So you can snap aggro with stuns, hold aggro with Flash, some CC by way of roots, and if TLP is at all consistent with the original trilogy, you will get damn good heals and buffs by the time Velious rolls around.
The only downside that I ever had coutning against me was the hybrid exp penalty on P99.
@@GC_Rallo Paladins can't be ogres, who have stun immunity which is the biggest issue.
When Daybreak start a new server in the original game, does the old class abilities and old loots return as well? I miss swam kiting, And I am interested in farming the old loots that I missed out the first time around such as Rubicite and the old Planar gears
Yes you can get some items that no longer drop during the beginning of TLP servers. Perhaps not all of them but many.
After hitting 50 on bard 1st time onSaturday on Yelinak & being a puller , I really think bard is S+ . Being able to pull that fast lull Mezzing. They are literally nuts and very demanding if your solo piloting effectively . Howdy - 50 bard
There are 3 changes I would make to this list. Mages should be S or at the very least A. Necro are kind of hard to rank because wen it comes to sole they are S but when it comes to groups they are more B there useful but they are much better sole. And the last change I would make would be that I think druids should be hier on the list because they are vary useful in groups.
Mage has best DS
In a group I want the tank yo hold threat. The best is ranger nothing compares. For classic they gear agi and not like a rogue and there’s no survival issues
Necro is god tier grouping. You overlook mez, charm, pulling, FD, healing, twitch and if we talking classic you’re in unrest/lower guk which means undead nuking
Rangers are super useable as tanks in classic and kunark. Both in groups and death touch tanking. Not so great on dps but insane pullers. They lose all this and become rough in a lot of velious. Then they go to S tier in luclin.
Druid’s a B maybe C. Same
With cleric A, necro S mage A
Tlp releases the day I start my 6 day weekend..... but it's summertime and I just bought a new motorcycle..... the choices
There should be an F tier. Also Clerics are clearly S tier in classic. i don't think SKs become S tier in classic, though they are S tier thru most of EQ history, early on they are definitely more squishy than Warriors so i'd give them A tier. Monk's i'd move to A tier. Necro's i'd move up to B tier, simply for the fact they don't need a group to accomplish what a lot of groups do.
Bruh, what? Both Pally and SK are better than Warriors, in every way. No Defensive means warriors literally serve no benefit over the hybrids. Pally also gets a 50% rez in Classic. Warriors aren't even MT in raids in Classic except for a single PoFear boss for Fearless.
Shaman at A? Absolutely necessary to have for Slows and tied for the biggest DoTs in the game.
Clerics A, too? Only 96% in the game, and literally necessary for all raids.
Necro C? Literally with Sham for best Dots in the game and necessary on raids where they can get max ticks off of all their DoTs, let alone Taps all being -100 resists.
Very wrong on necro. Theyre a pet class and can charm. Their poison dot line can get to about 8 seconds left on reds and its solid damage. They can also heal and mez making them an incredible support class.
They were never intended to be a pure dps class. They have infinite mana, roots, mezes, FD for pulling, a 500 dmg nuke, snare, heals, and a pet.
Ok I know this is classic but in kunark the rogue in the guild was top dps of every fight period! They are not trash at all. Just saying.
Dwarf Pallys rock
love ur content love the sk love ❤️ even more lol
Druid are beasts. Come on man! D tier I have to disagree. A tier at the LEAST.
I’ve got a good friend who always mains Druid and he tells me I’m wrong I think there’s a strong perception out there that they are jack of all trades, Master or none! I wouldn’t be comfortable with a Druid main healer unless I had a sham to slow though ! I do think with the recent changes they did get a huge boost so I do expect I’ll be moving them on up come kunark!
@@TBCNexus Even as healer druids are amazing unless you are talking about chaining Complete heals during a raid. Keeping their own group alive has never been an issue.
There is a difference between good and bad druids, just like there is between good and bad enchanters and bards. Or any class! But when you see a druid that knows how to use snare and root to kite adds during bad pulls, keeps eye on tracking for every named pop, heals just as good as a shaman and has evac/ports to help get the group in and out alive you realize how amazing they are. Druids are broken in the hands of a good player. With an enchanter in the group for mana a druid can really shine!
Even their utility to make platinum and power level makes them far above D tier when you exclude everything else they can do.
So this is up to Velious right?
And you haven't ranked Monks as a tank?
Despite being the S-Tier group tank in both Kunark and Velious...
Even if its just for pre-expansion EQ, then Monks are still better tanks than Paladins!
Paladin is an A class if you know what your doing with it.
I don't think you ever saw any true Druid Gods. I was one of the first Druids to ever finish the epic quest. I had full Fear Gear. I used to be able to Solo Golden Imp no problem. Also the Fungus King I could lock him down for days between root and snare, slap on some DOT's its all over. Now granted in big warfare stuff druids are good for spot nukes spot heals, or peeling. But for soloing I don't think any character could touch a druid or even come close.
Enchanters ..necros ..bards !!
Your "list" literally has different criteria for every class. Why not just call it your favorite classes this TLP?
Oh it is very subjective , based on my experience which does of course change over time and I’m playing a ranger main now!
As someone who has never played EQ and prefers paladins: oof
I mean hes completely wrong about paladins on tlps you have knights tank in sky (a knight can tank anything aswell as a warrior in clasic because no discs) sks just prefet to dps usually because mobs mem blur/slow and they have the same hp/ac as warrior sks would rather dps and pallys have loh making them great raid tanks in classic you also chose them over warriors in g rp because people like to go ham and stuns > anything a warrior can do grp wise its kunark where pallys fall off because sks and warriors gain really strong discs and pallys don't get crap then come back strong in velious because you can gain a huge mana pool and heal the grp easily especially if geared
Also wizards eat DT in sky because theres spells don't land for shit
This is not completely true.Warriors have a slightly higher AC cap which allows more mitigation. its about 10% more ac and also warriors have about 5% more ac when over the cap. Matters more with late game gear however.
Oooof!!!
I have to disagree on bards.
Just a bard as full melody afk is B tier lol
Any effort beyond that is already an S tier class due to the fact they are so versatile while enhancing the group overall.
Bard get really really good when they get their versatility, a PoP+ bard is such a fun class to play, but in classic, ive always found them a bit boring without the tools that make them awesome!
@@TBCNexus ok so let’s just assume your pov is accurate for classic. And they are a B tier class… from kunark on minimum of A tier even when you don’t know how to play them lol.
They are such a strong class
@@scottromero2536 totally agree, very strong class! early on the big downside is those that are botted, i always try to at least do a few PUGS on a new TLP and ran into bards that are clearly boxxed that might as well not be there.
@@TBCNexus I understand completely. It gives the class a bad name until you prove yourself worthy
TLP classic everquest Druids are not the same old "can do everything but good at nothing" ignorant players label them as. Over the years the class has had countless face lifts. Most recently druids were given the ability to charm a plethora of new mobs with their charm line more than doubling their value as a charmer. They just made it so their banish line of nukes which are some of the strongest period in classic were extended to work on constructs, clockworks, elementals and all summoned beings.
Years ago with the dot consolidation the druid Kunark click dot was doubled in power making them extremely over powered during Kunark era. If you could get a set early you could solo without any mana at all even in zones like Old Seb as long as you have resist gear on. You should give a disclaimer you haven't played all classes very much, read any updates and are bias with your tier list.
I disagree with everything except Enchanter.
Exactly. This is a bias ignorant list.
Appreciate this is your oppinion but its wrong 😅 for classic, mage is S tier, and Monk defo isnt S tier lol.
Paladin is the best tank until the warriors get defensive.
This tier list is good for the average player, and sometimes you talk about grouping and sometimes you don't. Make up your mind? Also, you are not really involving skill with the class. Some classes, such as Bards and Necros are easily S tier when played well. Group play of an enchanter and a cleric can literally 2-man 99% of the content.
Well I am just going to politely tell ya. You clearly have never seen a well played necro or what they can do. Not shocked, there were only 3 on my server back in 1999 and 2000.
yes it takes actual skill/zone/mob knowledge to play one in a group in classic and not be a useless exp sink.
It is a lot of odd spell selection and aggro balance. It is a really easy way to separate out good and bad tanks.
The other issue overlapping spells, but that is a whole mess onto itself.
Played correctly, you are 3 things, a dd turret, pet dps the rogue and monk pets are brilliant, then there is knowing how much dps the group is putting out and selecting your dots accordingly snare and poison are the most common two. The disease takes to long to build typically but does more damage if it maxes out, but between the cast time, mana cost and build time it typically gets this spell line on the shelf in groups. unless you can split cast with a shaman or a second necro.
Then you are balancing the lich line with the dd spell and life tap. Being sloppy with life tap is funny because of the double aggro hit dd+heal, so it is a they are fleeing spell I group, when soloing it is basically the only dd used.
Down/up Ranking spells is also critical for necros in groups. However this can seriously mess with both expected aggro, and also spell resistance. You can also just invalidate your dps, lol. With a good tank you can drop at level spells like candy and just jack the dps, a mediocre tank will have you playing real or fake dirt nap... as you are probably in lich form, that extra damage makes ya extra squishy
you lost me at ''paladins...you are the tank nobody wants'' .😬
Haha Well I would say in classic I would always prefer a sk in a group ! But paladins do good in undead zones they have nice stuns too and a cool flaming sword
In Classic it's the painful truth though :D
@@ThisIsQuarty This comment is everything, really
i dissagree that paladin is the weakest tank. the weakest tank is easily warrior. no one wants a warrior outside of raids.
Hmm all the classes I want to play are c or lower. Let's goooooo
just my opinion! Mages get lowered because you can 1 macro most group activities to /pet attack, stand, cast nuke and sit. Necros are not too dissimilar but are lowered just because the dots dont really bring value in an xp group and find it hard to get groups!
Push, paladins are awesome in grps... warriors blow in classic. Absolutely shit aggro
Necro: Dead on, maybe even a D. Mained a Necro in classic. No one wanted you. Even Lguk you were one of the last choices for groups. Raids? It was CHARITY if they took you. Shortly before/after kunark they gave you some corpse summoning and a res that cost a fortune to use, so most raids took one or two as wipe insurance (run away and feign or zone in and summon then res a cleric)... and the literal most awful spell line in the game that turned you into a mana battery... where you'd just cast to give someone mana at 1/3 efficiency. Tell me you're a lazy dev with no ideas how to make a caster useful without telling me you're a lazy dev with no ideas. (OH you want to be USEFUL on raids? How about you give your mana to a CLASS WE GIVE A CRAP ABOUT INSTEAD?) Endgame as necro was absolutely horrible. You could solo in open areas against mobs who didn't have good resists. Whoopdeedoo.
Bard: Under-ranked. Solid adps / support option for grouping and one of the best choices for raid fill. I'd say A. Would be S, but yeah early leveling is pretty painful... and easily most skill-demanding class... by a factor of ten.
Druid: Ehhhh... they are fine at getting groups. Yeah they're last choice among healers... but that makes them the 3rd or 4th most in demand class for grouping. I've seen damn near every class in the game "tank" classic EQ content back in the day when you couldn't find a tank. I've seen Rangers "heal" a time or two in classic... never lasted more than a few minutes. Top 3 classes for a group were the 3 healers. I never saw any healer ever struggle to find a group. Tanks rarely did, but it happened. That alone pulls Druid out of D... Also their DoT's were fine. Just generally feels like you underrated every aspect of the class. Low A, High B
SK: yeah, dummy broken. You want a tank? You want an SK. Warrior/Pally were closer to nontank tanks than they were to SK. Most clear S in game. Until shortly after PoF/PoH dropped... Harm touch was irresistible. Then a group of like 100 SK's insta-killed CT by just simultaneously Harm Touching him... That's the only nerf I think I've ever heard of SK's getting.
Mage: S, Easy. Probably best DPS in game for almost all content in classic. Easily second best soloer and best for a lot of content. Their pet was straight up broken at a LOT of levels in classic.
Rogue, Ranger, Wizard. C You want DPS and cant get one of the DPS you actually want? You'll take one.
Monk, Second best DPS to Mage and easiest chain puller in game. Yes please. S.
Shaman, Do absolutely everything except CCing and tanking... almost as good as the best class at each? S.
Cleric, S for power/ease. D for the fact they were PAINFUL to play.
Warrior/Paladin B. Yes, they were inferior to Sk. but they got groups and even raids easy enough.
TLDR:
S: SK > Mage > Shaman > Monk
A: Bard
B: Druid > Warrior = Paladin
C: Ranger > Wizard > Rogue
D: Necro
Why do you hate yourself: Cleric
disagree with Druid they are S
Druid D tier in classic is crazy, nothing is on the same tier as rogue
Necro in C tier is just ??? are you trolling or ???
No one that has played a classic tlp can look someone in the eyes and say necro is C tier, they are S+ easy
Stop making content bro this is awful
hes got some of these classes wrong sure but this comment is kind of yikers for me
Then the necros you have grouped with are lazy. Nor are you looking at what all necros can bring to the group. Yes, the dots do take time to get max damage. Most of the time do not reach full duration. However what the necro does bring is constant damage. While you mage and wiz have to sit and med, the mana regen on necro keeps them doing constant damage. Your tank is a warrior? Necros can snare. Or would you rather your almost dead mob run and get help from his freinds? No CC in the group? Necros can mez. Grant it not as good as enc or bard, but will do in a pinch. But a necro can hold 2 mobs mezzed at a time. Use to do that in The Hole, and not just the undead. Necros can also heal. Yes, laugh if you will, necro heals are not the best. But can be done. And this is all in the group game which was the main focus of the video. No I wouldn't rank them in group content in S or A. But if the necro is played well, I would go B with them. I love the necro class not only because of the soloablity but also what I can bring to the group. And I do get tells for groups often because I play the class.
Funny thing is I’m actually going to have 2 necros in my levelling group on Yelinak! We’re going to stick to undead zones , Maybe that’ll change my mind
@@rardenraynes7470 thanks for the comment, I mained a necro on phinny and to date was probably my favorite main played him all the way to underfoot. But what sucks early on for necros is that there are usually a lot of them and you spend along time /lfg if you are not prepared to start your own group! When doing group content mobs should be going down fast , which renders the dots pointless if mob dies in less than 3 ticks , which leaves necros with tap in non undead zones. I’m planning to have 2 necros in my static on Yelinak and we’re sticking to undead zones who knows maybe that’ll change my opinion!
@@TBCNexus Charming as a necro is fun as well. If you stick with undead and the necros are charming, if you have an enchanter as well, just sit back and watch your xp bar move. hehe Although not classic, I loved charm soloing Howling Stones.
Smh.