Good to know! I have the Wen belt/spindle sander. Like most of these sanders, they all look alike. I’ve seen a lot of speculation they are made by the same manufacturer with different private labels. I will keep an eye on my Wen just in case the same thing happens to it. Thanks for posting this!👍🏻
i would have also checked the condition of the commutator however, i've had the same machine for several years and despite giving it a lot of use, have not had this problem - yet!
I have the Triton oscillating spindle sander (not a belt version) and use it rarely. I will be interested to see how long it lasts. Thank you for the “how to” video and sharing the knowledge to repair it if/when required. Cheers mate 👍😎🇦🇺
Really weird issue indeed, Tomasz... Thanks for the heads-up and tutorial! 😃 I wonder if anyone ever modified it, installing a brushless motor and the required electronics... It definitely wouldn't be a cheap mod, but it should be absolutely worth it! Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊 And happy holidays!
Hi. Just got this for my birthday lol. I have to ask, what’s this dark belt you have?? The sandpaper looks much darker. Did you change to something new? They look like the Bosch sanding discs. I know I can dream lol. Just wondered as I don’t think you’ve mentioned those. Thanks again!
Hi love your videos. My triton (9 months old) starts off slow and after a few seconds speeds up thereafter no further variations until next use . Is this brush problem?
Could be the startf of it. If you put any pressure on the belt (when sanding) if it slows down or stops then that's the sign. Thank you for watching my video.
Seems like you found alternative paper!? Do you still finding it difficult to buy alternative and cheaper paper for the triton? 100x610 is easy to find here I Sweden, or did I miss understand the problem to find proper band to the triton?
The AMB milling motor of my CNC is so reliable that in 6 years of honored service I had to replace the brushes 4 times. But ok it's been working a stupid amount of hours ahahahah
At some stage I expect they will improve the design with a brushless motor. With people like you nudging the manufacturer may do it sooner! These sort of DIY electric tools are built as cheap as possible and they know the brushes will wear out regularly but two/three years down the line its out of warranty! As you said it’s just normal wear & tear…
I just wonder if its my machine or maybe more owners of this tool got the same problem. I just think it was too soon for the brushes to be changed with my light usage.
Ive had the machine for a couple of years and used it relatively lightly as I have other "sanding" machine options. Electric DIY tools have a built in redundancy (failure) by manufacturers, I know for a fact eons ago when Black & Decker used to make tools in the UK the design concept for a standard drill was that the average DIYer would get the drill out of the toolbox maybe 1/2 doz times a year and so if the drills parts/design lasted a couple of dozen "goes" it would be 3 years before the parts failed…… its all about built-in redundancy
Pulled from Helwig Carbon Products, Inc. site 3 Reasons Motor Brushes Wear Out Fast Share slip ring carbon brush life - image of streaking April 26, 2019 A common question from those handling DC motor maintenance is, “why are my motor brushes wearing so quickly?”. Rapid brush wear is a problem that can be caused from a multitude of factors. There isn’t one easy answer to this question, as each situation can be different. A natural answer to this question that many will quickly jump to is the carbon brush grade. However, we’ve seen that, more often than not, the brush grade is not the culprit. Here are three of the most common reasons for rapid carbon brush wear: 1. LOW SPRING PRESSURE Inadequate spring pressure can cause rapid electrical brush wear. Clock and finger style springs tend to lose force as the brush wears, and all springs will fatigue over the course of time. This will reduce the effective force at the brush face and increase the rate of brush wear. Reference our Recommended Spring Pressure Chart for more. 2. POOR COMMUTATOR OR RING CONDITION A rough, out of round, or otherwise poor contact surface can cause accelerated brush wear. A poor commutator condition can lead to both electrical and mechanical wear of the carbon brush. Industry recommendations are for the commutator surface to be round within .002” for proper brush contact. An out-of-round ring will also cause the springs to flex more often, leading to shortened spring life and risk of inadequate spring pressure. 3. BRUSH HOLDERS ARE UNEQUALLY SPACED OR OUT-OF-NEUTRAL Improperly mounted brush holders can cause a variety of issues including brush wear. Brush holders that are installed incorrectly have the potential to cause damage to the contact surface and wear out a carbon brush faster. It’s important to note that each situation is unique and there could be many other reasons for accelerated carbon brush wear. For instance, motor operating conditions can play an integral role in carbon brush life. Helwig Carbon’s engineering team has the experience and know-how to get to the bottom of any problems in the brush circuit. If you have questions about motor brush wear, contact us today to get to the root cause.
Watch videos on stripping a similar motor. If you then feel confident, polish the commutator till any marking or burning has come out.. If you remove the brushes you will be able to see the commutator and what state its in.
@@CasualDIY The question is why both brushes aren't wearing at the same rate? Typically, when one brush needs to be replaced, the other will be about used up too. That's why we're often told to replace both brushes at the same time. Do you recall which brush you needed to replace last time? If you had to replace the SAME brush this time, there's something wrong with the motor. Whatever the issue is, it may be causing the need to replace brushes more often than usual.
Brush wear is normal, what's really strange is how one of your brushes was worn away and the other was perfectly fine ... bizarre!! 👍 I'd like to have one of these machine, but the price (like a lot of other tools) is just a complete and utter joke, it's basically a belt sander on its side, with an extra bit to make it move up and down ... these can be bought for around £50, whereas the Triton is over £200!!
If the company doesn’t replace it, then they will be gone soon! I’ve had better quality tools that I’ve had for decades and never replaced brushes! And yes I used them regularly! Should be replaced by the company with a brushless motor! At there expense! Or they go out of business!
Brushes are a consumable item so not covered under warranty, a lot of manufacturers include spare brushes in the box. I think that given the uneven wear it could be spring pressure as others have mentioned?
Poor quality graphite ? Looked pretty easy to change. I’ve had to change the brushes on my Evolution Rage 3S mitre saw and they were a lot more fiddly to do
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Good to know! I have the Wen belt/spindle sander. Like most of these sanders, they all look alike. I’ve seen a lot of speculation they are made by the same manufacturer with different private labels. I will keep an eye on my Wen just in case the same thing happens to it.
Thanks for posting this!👍🏻
Yes i think they are all nearly identical. Thank you for watching 👍
I have the same machine for aboute 2 years, no problems yet. Now I know how to fix the problem when and if it comes, thanks very much. 👍😊
Thank you for watching my video 👍
i would have also checked the condition of the commutator
however, i've had the same machine for several years and despite giving it a lot of use, have not had this problem - yet!
Could be my machine then 🤔 need to fully check it out then
I have the Triton oscillating spindle sander (not a belt version) and use it rarely. I will be interested to see how long it lasts. Thank you for the “how to” video and sharing the knowledge to repair it if/when required. Cheers mate 👍😎🇦🇺
ours just gave up. but one of the bushes was stuck in. Loosened it up and its working fine again.
Really weird issue indeed, Tomasz... Thanks for the heads-up and tutorial! 😃
I wonder if anyone ever modified it, installing a brushless motor and the required electronics... It definitely wouldn't be a cheap mod, but it should be absolutely worth it!
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
And happy holidays!
Hmm interesting question, I wonder how difficult and expensive it would be to make a mod like that🤔
Hi. Just got this for my birthday lol. I have to ask, what’s this dark belt you have?? The sandpaper looks much darker. Did you change to something new? They look like the Bosch sanding discs. I know I can dream lol. Just wondered as I don’t think you’ve mentioned those. Thanks again!
The belt is from Abranet so it's kinda a mesh super durable doesn't clog up. And it's not that expensive. Fully recommend it
@@CasualDIY Mirka? Sounds a bit posh lol
@@Mr_Gadge it's not really 😅
Hi, very useful. May I ask where you got the new brushes from? Thanks
As I said in the video. I just googled it and the first option that appeared I clicked it😅
Hi love your videos. My triton (9 months old) starts off slow and after a few seconds speeds up thereafter no further variations until next use . Is this brush problem?
Could be the startf of it. If you put any pressure on the belt (when sanding) if it slows down or stops then that's the sign.
Thank you for watching my video.
Great video and that you got it sorted. Can you hone chisels on the belt of the sander?
I wouldn't recommend it
Seems like you found alternative paper!? Do you still finding it difficult to buy alternative and cheaper paper for the triton?
100x610 is easy to find here I Sweden, or did I miss understand the problem to find proper band to the triton?
It's from Abranet, very good and no issues with getting the right size now. Although the video was about bushes 😅
The AMB milling motor of my CNC is so reliable that in 6 years of honored service I had to replace the brushes 4 times. But ok it's been working a stupid amount of hours ahahahah
At some stage I expect they will improve the design with a brushless motor. With people like you nudging the manufacturer may do it sooner! These sort of DIY electric tools are built as cheap as possible and they know the brushes will wear out regularly but two/three years down the line its out of warranty! As you said it’s just normal wear & tear…
I just wonder if its my machine or maybe more owners of this tool got the same problem. I just think it was too soon for the brushes to be changed with my light usage.
Ive had the machine for a couple of years and used it relatively lightly as I have other "sanding" machine options. Electric DIY tools have a built in redundancy (failure) by manufacturers, I know for a fact eons ago when Black & Decker used to make tools in the UK the design concept for a standard drill was that the average DIYer would get the drill out of the toolbox maybe 1/2 doz times a year and so if the drills parts/design lasted a couple of dozen "goes" it would be 3 years before the parts failed…… its all about built-in redundancy
Pulled from Helwig Carbon Products, Inc. site
3 Reasons Motor Brushes Wear Out Fast
Share
slip ring carbon brush life - image of streaking
April 26, 2019
A common question from those handling DC motor maintenance is, “why are my motor brushes wearing so quickly?”. Rapid brush wear is a problem that can be caused from a multitude of factors. There isn’t one easy answer to this question, as each situation can be different. A natural answer to this question that many will quickly jump to is the carbon brush grade. However, we’ve seen that, more often than not, the brush grade is not the culprit. Here are three of the most common reasons for rapid carbon brush wear:
1. LOW SPRING PRESSURE
Inadequate spring pressure can cause rapid electrical brush wear. Clock and finger style springs tend to lose force as the brush wears, and all springs will fatigue over the course of time. This will reduce the effective force at the brush face and increase the rate of brush wear. Reference our Recommended Spring Pressure Chart for more.
2. POOR COMMUTATOR OR RING CONDITION
A rough, out of round, or otherwise poor contact surface can cause accelerated brush wear. A poor commutator condition can lead to both electrical and mechanical wear of the carbon brush. Industry recommendations are for the commutator surface to be round within .002” for proper brush contact. An out-of-round ring will also cause the springs to flex more often, leading to shortened spring life and risk of inadequate spring pressure.
3. BRUSH HOLDERS ARE UNEQUALLY SPACED OR OUT-OF-NEUTRAL
Improperly mounted brush holders can cause a variety of issues including brush wear. Brush holders that are installed incorrectly have the potential to cause damage to the contact surface and wear out a carbon brush faster.
It’s important to note that each situation is unique and there could be many other reasons for accelerated carbon brush wear. For instance, motor operating conditions can play an integral role in carbon brush life. Helwig Carbon’s engineering team has the experience and know-how to get to the bottom of any problems in the brush circuit. If you have questions about motor brush wear, contact us today to get to the root cause.
Great info there, thank you for sharing
Watch videos on stripping a similar motor. If you then feel confident, polish the commutator till any marking or burning has come out..
If you remove the brushes you will be able to see the commutator and what state its in.
I would change both at same time. If one goes out every time then maybe a defect in motor.
Hmm the second one looked OK to me. I will be observing it now to see if anything happens to it
@@CasualDIY The question is why both brushes aren't wearing at the same rate? Typically, when one brush needs to be replaced, the other will be about used up too. That's why we're often told to replace both brushes at the same time.
Do you recall which brush you needed to replace last time? If you had to replace the SAME brush this time, there's something wrong with the motor. Whatever the issue is, it may be causing the need to replace brushes more often than usual.
@@DKWalserhmm I think it was the same case, so there could be something wrong with the motor then
Brush wear is normal, what's really strange is how one of your brushes was worn away and the other was perfectly fine ... bizarre!! 👍
I'd like to have one of these machine, but the price (like a lot of other tools) is just a complete and utter joke, it's basically a belt sander on its side, with an extra bit to make it move up and down ... these can be bought for around £50, whereas the Triton is over £200!!
I think I bought mine for around £180 all of them are about the same price and you are absolutely right, they should be cheaper
I bought a triton thicknesser had it for a year used it 4 times motor developed a fault now it trips my electric not a fan of the company
That does seem rather excessive, I honestly can't remember the last time I had to that to a tool 🤷♂
Exactly hence I wanted to get this info out.
If the company doesn’t replace it, then they will be gone soon! I’ve had better quality tools that I’ve had for decades and never replaced brushes! And yes I used them regularly! Should be replaced by the company with a brushless motor! At there expense! Or they go out of business!
Brushes are a consumable item so not covered under warranty, a lot of manufacturers include spare brushes in the box. I think that given the uneven wear it could be spring pressure as others have mentioned?
Poor quality graphite ?
Looked pretty easy to change. I’ve had to change the brushes on my Evolution Rage 3S mitre saw and they were a lot more fiddly to do
Could be. These are the original replacement parts. I've not seen any replacements from other manufacturers
omg you love yourself dont you? 8 minutes to explain what to do when replacing brushes..
I have a normal approach to myself to be honest. Its about building a story, connecting with viewers etc. If you don't like it just move on to other channels 👍 no one is forcing you to watch. All the best.