Sponsored by Barbell Apparel: barbellapparel.com/clarence0 (Early Black Friday Sale: Get any athletic fit jeans, chinos, or pants for just $99) My Website for programs and more: weightliftingfix.com/ My Patreon (100s of exclusive videos, not on TH-cam): www.patreon.com/clarence0
This interview was fantastic. Really appreciate getting to learn more about Toshiki as an English speaker. Thanks Clarence, WeLiftWeights, and Senpai for this great content!
20:24 I think that’s really interesting I think people see doping as cheating while others see it as part of the sport. Clarence says he wanted to hit huge numbers and it was a tool to do so. I’m glad senpai still respects Clarence
@@StevieRayGaming Everybody doesn't give a f#ck about rules. If everyone, I mean everyone on the platform is on gear, it ain't cheating. At all. Now go riding a pink rainbow unicorn.
Brilliant interview! It's a shame these videos don't get more views considering how much goes into them. Travel, editing, translations, planning ect. This deserves ten times the views but I understand it's a very niche topic. Plus it tests our tiny brains by being 22 minutes, not 22 seconds like everything is these days.
There is a limit cap at every body weight what you can *almost* lift. And if a person is lifting weights that no normal human should be able to at a particular body weight ( say someone squatting 300+ kg ATG at 90 kg body weight) he most certainly is not. And as the normal saying going... if the person is not looking natural...he/she is most likely is not.
@@Demiamant "genetic freaks" is a catagory in humanity, and top athletes are top athletes for a reason. Freak genetics+hard work=top athlete. Not everyone that does grazy weight is on steroids. Say a powerlifter whos on gear has a max 1k lb backsquat. as a natty, hed still be able to get over an 800 backsquat at his peak, maybe even a lil more. Steroids arent a miracle drug that take a string bean dude 150lbs wet and make him into a 280lb lean monster who can all the sudden tripple his bodyweight in a squat. Youre generalizing humans to a very average catagory as if anyone whos 230lbs or above is automatically on roids, and as if there is no possible way that people are born gifted and every human fits within an exact perameter of what you think people "should be able" to lift. Thats not how things work.
If you read between the lines it is clear Yamamoto is taking steroids. His evidence for him being clean is that he only competes in competitions that test for steroids. Then he later admits that people in his body building and weightlifting competitions get away with taking steroids. He also says he admires Clarence for being open about his drug use and lifting more than people in competitions who are on steroids but lying about being clean. To me, it is clear that Toshiki wishes he could be like Clarence, but he cannot because he does not want to hated by people like you who only respect drug-free athletes.
Good interview. Funny to see that very Asian "Must avoid eye-contact at all times!" demeanor, contrasted with Clarence's posture and attempts at eye-contact.
His squat is close to the best powerlifters of his bodyweight, it's very hard to believe that he's never taken steroids. If he's truly naty, then he has one of the greatest strength genetics ever. Normally, I wouldn't think that his numbers are even possible at his bodyweight, without peds.
Really nice questions asked and I like those follow up questions to go to the bottom of situations. Very interesting. And I'm not even interested in weight lifting lol
5:43 I also experienced this when I was practising karate at different dojos (two different styles) at the certain country. Senseis were not happy with me when I was trying to improve my skills. It seems that Japanese mindset values loyalty highly.
The desire to restrict someone to their culture instead of exploring every possible option to become better... It's very common in asian countries unfortunately due to the intense patriotic pride. It's also why people always keep their training and techniques secret instead of everyone helping each other.
@@BuffPomsky Yeah, i had experienced the patriotic pride strongly back then in 90'. People refused to share with me when I asked for advice in bodybuilding and general fitness etc. Even paid training sessions. Fortunately, I had opportunity to study oversea and join Crossfit. When I returned home, I switched to Oly lifts and trained on my own. Now it's somehow better as people share their techniques openly.
I think in this case it had to do with protecting the image of the national team. They were thinking "what reason would a national team weightlifter have to do most of their training at commercial gyms?"
today we see many doping teenagers, competing in non tested powerlifting meet, breaking records by records and while claiming they're natty. The world of competing sports is just ruin for met by that time.
I am really surprised and shocked that many people thinks Toshiki is fake natural😂 I’m 100% sure that he’s natty. I’ve seen his training and taken his classes. As one of his students. I gotta prove that he is a true athlete.
TBH I believe that there is the possiblity of genetics freaks out there who could be as strong as Toshiki nautrally but frankly we'll never truly know if there are because steroids do exist so in the end it's hard to trust if someone is that strong and says they are natty. To be clear I'm not saying toshiki is natural.
I don't believe it for guys who are as lean as him. If he was built like a 300lb strongman, I'd consider it plausible for a genetic freak to be that strong.
I always think this as if steroids were not invented. I'm sure there would be outliers who are so much stronger than seems possible for the average person. Same as it's in every other subject: If steroids for brains existed, no one would believe the top geniuses or chess prodigies were natty, they are just on a different level.
Don't believe. Even with out limited scientific knowledge, we know that body weight is high correlated with strength. If there are freaks out there, they're the Eddie Halls and Brian Shaws pre-steroid use. They're not six-pack'd sub 100kg dudes squatting 340, no way.
@@MellonVegan True, for me it's the amount of lean mass he carries without having myostatin deficiency. His squat is insane, but it's possible natty with really good genetics and leverages.
While I won't claim to believe he's natty, I've also suspended disbelief in Toshiki's lack of natty-ness. My only personal take on support for him being natty is how many injuries and surgeries he's had. If we believe Clarence was natty when he said he was, he got to 150/190ish (I think) without gear, but messing up his knees and being constantly pretty badly injured and awful feeling. Going with this, too, Toshiki had almost a decade more of competitive WL experience than Clarence, giving him a lot more time to get more gains. It seems like Toshiki he had worse injuries than even Clarence did, and kept pushing through in very extreme ways (see other WLW's interviews) so to me it's conceivably possible he got to where he did natty, but paid a bigger price. Whereas if he wasn't natty, you'd figure he'd have been able to get by with less injuries by taking HGH or similar, or even non-banned drugs like calcitonin or Actovegin.
@@ahmarcamacho8404 In endurance sports mostly. Alberto Salazar in USA was famous for doing it with his athletes. Figured it would help Toshiki as it's meant for bone healing. Not on the banned list, either. For what it's worth, too, Toshiki could have legally used TB500 until I think 2021 or 2022, and BPC-157 until this year. Copper peptide still isn't on the banned list, either. The fact that he (seemingly) just kept on running super injured without using these things to me makes me think, well, maybe he is/was natty?
120 mg of ibuprofen for that kind of an injury!? No wonder he was in pain. I would've expected like 800 mg to 1200 mg tablets, here even the common over the counter is 400 mg. Maybe he meant to say 200 instead of 20.
Gonna bring all the DYELs in for this one. Edit: Jawon Garrison, a powerlifter in the 181lb class, JUST set a world record squat of 777lbs a few days ago at the American Pro 2. Jawon is a lifetime natty, and he actually plans to go to the untested side and hop on to turn himself into a real monster the way John Haack did. Toshiki can 100% achieve the feats he has naturally. Genetic freaks are real whether people want to except it or not. But trying to convince DYELs of this is like talking to a brick wall.
Testing is so incredibly easy to get around in the IPF/other tested feds. Give them a date window, blast outside of that window, make sure your system is flushed a week or so beforehand either side. It's literally just an intelligent test. The fact that 'tested' lifters are equalling or BESTING untested records - guys who have carte blanche to take EVERYTHING - should tell you all you need to know. The majority of the top 10 in any given weight category/class (outside of the LW women's or supers perhaps) will be juicing on the sly. I don't disagree with your point however that there ARE insanely gifted naturals out there.
@sylsch2701 incorrect, there are literally not enough resources for that to happen, and it essentially locks athlete down into one place forever. There are one or two periods, fed dependent, where they have to state their whereabouts. Failure to appear within this periods is considered a fail. As I said, it's an intelligence test. Nobody over an 80IQ is fucking that up.
@@christopherroberts2500 Nobody is f*cking it up until the entire Russian state sponsored doping scandal broke. You'd figure the scientists running that would have IQs over 80, right? But anti-doping scientists are also genius-level smart. You can't just clear out all exogenous hormones out of your body to take a PED test and not have your biomarkers be completely and obviously out of whack. It doesn't take a galaxy-brain IQ to see a 200 lb stud with 99th percentile genetic superiority, see his free testosterone levels are about equal to a 90 year old FEMALE, and know that there might be something up lmao.
I actually believe he could be natural, especially looking at his body composition which isn't outrageous like most bodybuilders that openly use PED's. Of course his strength is way more "suspicious", but there is still a significant gap between him and the lifters from countries like China, who definitely do use something.
Its so sad and also funny that many guys here believes Toshiki is fake natty. He has passed strict drug tests countless times while he was competing and the bodybuilding federation he is in also impose athletes drug inspection announced and unannounced. They should look at the size of top natural japanese bodybuilders. They are absolutely massive and Toshiki is also one of those outliers to have that size and strength.
It's better to just not bring up steroids. We know even if you thought he was juicing (which I'm sure you really do) you wouldn't accuse a japanese person of it as it's very much illegal and carries shame to be caught even more so than other athletes. Similar why Swedes living in Sweden wouldn't admit to it, as they evenn randomly test in gyms.
Unless someone can prove it otherwise with an actual law or statute, as far as I researched, albeit this was 10ish years ago, steroids were actually more legal in Japan than in USA. In that while they are/were prescription only, they were not "controlled substances" that would get you arrested like you would for heroin or meth or whatever, like they are in USA. I read foreigners accounts of being able to buy orals freely from Thailand/etc, but injectables the problem was getting a supply of clean needles, but not the drugs themselves. Japan also in the 1990s/early 2000s had untested MMA as a very popular thing, too. You can argue for the social stigma aspect of it with Japan, but I don't think there's any real legal argument to make, Japan overall has better civil liberties than Sweden right now, anyway. Even for the social stigma aspect, if you look at JADO sanctions, you'll find many sanctions for steroids or SARMs are shorter than USA, and NADOs aren't forced to publicize all names and results. I'm sure in Japan as well with Asian "face" culture and corruption you could make bad results go away. We hold Japan to a higher standard but I don't think ultimately Japan is any different than the rest of Asia in these aspects, they're just more polished.
@@Micheldied because he has a brain and uses PEDs himself. If it wasn’t apparent already with her strength being an Olympian, how about the size for bodybuilding
@@Fillegubben and yet, Clarence has said on Patreon that he thinks Toshiki is natural. So tell me again how you know Clarence thinks he's on gear? Also, he's barely over 80kg for bodybuilding. He isn't massive at all.
@@Micheldied People don't really get being friends nowadays. You help your friends out and don't spread rumors/accusations about them, even if deep down you might believe something is up. Especially in the case of something like steroids where you're not really concretely hurting anyone. I remember Vegan Gains made a video about Clarence Kennedy and said he was natty when he was in fact taking gear, when Vegan Gains was the king of natty or not BS, because they were both vegan and both became personal friends of each other. Also, since it seems like Toshiki had pretty garbage pharmacology for actually preventing injuries, really the only drug he could have taken nowadays is testosterone suspension, which is in and out of the system in a day or two. Some people take it just before their heavy days to get the extra strength drive and hype up, and since it's in and out it doesn't really shut you down like a long ester will. There's no way for me to know anything, but a lot of me suspends disbelief and actually think Asians just have better genetics in being able to handle lots of training volume. Even in other sports I've trained in, Asians excel and can handle a lot of volume of work. There's also the fact even historically, Japanese and Korean lifters did well, back to the 1940s and 1950s, before steroids were a big factor.
@@saddemgargouri and there probably would have been monster squatters back then if someone had invented the squat rack earlier. But alas, before it was made, one could only back squat the weight they could first clean from the ground.
I think it just makes average people feel better about being average to scream steroids, because then you can tell yourself "If I started using roids, I could be like that too". Truth is, genetics are a b*tch, and you could take all the PEDs in the world to still wind up smaller and weaker than the genetic elite are without any drugs. The truth hurts, and I understand not wanting to accept that reality.
Using "I competed in tested sports therefore I am natural" is the most suspicious argument possible. Everyone who got caught using PEDs at some point, was competing in tested competitions until they got caught. The fact that the first thing that he said is this terrible argument, makes me believe he isn't natural.
I feel like it's impossible to really say based on his word. Given the context, it seems like the most appropriate answer to the question, since I'm not sure how else he'd prove in that moment that he's natural, and unlike a lot of fake natties he didn't seem to be unnecessarily loud about it. If not, I'm curious what else he could've done or said that would have either cleared him, or at least not raise any more suspicion. What other factors point to him being unnatty? Also, since I'm not knowledgeable on anti-doping, are there any cases that you can point to where athletes who claimed natty were exposed?
@@squidwarg There’s honestly so many examples, it’s difficult to prove it. You can just google Olympic Weightlifter caught with steroids and then you’ll get endless results. Same with powerlifters. Watch Clarence’s videos on anti doping for the scandals and the tactics that are used to circumvent drug testing. People like Pyrros Dimas were very outspoken about how natty they are only to be busted. They even get caught after the fact when testing becomes more advanced and it’s extremely common.
it isn't really the first thing he said - he was put on the spot so it was the first thing he said in this interview. but he's spoken about it a few times on his channel before this. perhaps his true thoughts will be more convincing than being put on a spot during an interview with a near stranger
No it's not... it's insanely hard to be unnatural in Japan for so mamy reasons. Also In Finland you get tested so often and have no idea when you will be tested. If you get caught, you'll have to pay 10 000€ and that's in bodybuilding were you earn no money.
@@squidwarg the main factor is just his unbelievable strength numbers. 321kg squat might be the best squat ever at his bodyweight for a natty. Also, he is already an A session level lifter so if he was truly natty he would absolutely dominant and destroy everyone if he went on gear, even though he is competing with other genetic elites who are juiced.
While I don't think one can gain their natty cards back after being enhanced, seeing how big he was before, it looks like when he was weightlifting he was probably geared, but I don't think he's using right now. He's "small" for a bodybuilder. Though tbh he's one of those where I wouldn't be surprised either way.
I believe that he's natural enough to keep his financial support and public image in a country where steroids is extremely taboo (which is all countries)
He is absolutely natty and he is still not even so big in Japanese natural bodybuilding competitions. I know you guys would not get it because you have never tried to reach our body’s limit without drags such as steroids but that is fact.
Toshiki is a natural athlete. His weightlifting is technically beautiful; his snatch, clean and jerk, and SBD are strong; and he has achieved an incredible competitive physique. He is gifted, yet humble.
Sponsored by Barbell Apparel: barbellapparel.com/clarence0
(Early Black Friday Sale: Get any athletic fit jeans, chinos, or pants for just $99)
My Website for programs and more: weightliftingfix.com/
My Patreon (100s of exclusive videos, not on TH-cam): www.patreon.com/clarence0
my favorite part is when he said "that's the end of the interview" to signal that the interview had ended.
Japan-trip without Jangho would have been a trainwreck! You are the man Jangho!
Great interview Clarence. And great job Jangho for translating!
What a great and wholesome interview! We Lift Weights is the MVP of Clarence's journey to Japan. Thanks to him so much was achieved
This interview was fantastic. Really appreciate getting to learn more about Toshiki as an English speaker. Thanks Clarence, WeLiftWeights, and Senpai for this great content!
Great interview and thanks for Jangho for translating!
Another great video on: Clarence, Steroids, Doping, Vegan, Toshiki and squats. Its a proven winning format.
Lost NNN... thanks a lot clarence
Lmao I was looking at their legs all the time
Losing NNN this year too.. Clarence is a NNN terrorist
"So, yeah. That's the end of the interview"
20:24 I think that’s really interesting
I think people see doping as cheating while others see it as part of the sport. Clarence says he wanted to hit huge numbers and it was a tool to do so. I’m glad senpai still respects Clarence
its cheating. And just because supposedly "everybody is doing it" its still cheating.
@@RobertRedway you made no argument. why's it cheating if you use it to _level_ the playing field?
@@StevieRayGaming Everybody doesn't give a f#ck about rules. If everyone, I mean everyone on the platform is on gear, it ain't cheating. At all.
Now go riding a pink rainbow unicorn.
Brilliant interview! It's a shame these videos don't get more views considering how much goes into them. Travel, editing, translations, planning ect. This deserves ten times the views but I understand it's a very niche topic. Plus it tests our tiny brains by being 22 minutes, not 22 seconds like everything is these days.
8:37 CHICKEN RICE AND BROCCOLI - IT JUST WORKS, GUYS!
Trenbroccoli
Great interview, thanks!
ドーピング当たり前の連中からしたらそりゃ信じられないよな。改めて日本の環境はとても貴重で価値あるものなんだと思った。
日本人はズルが嫌いだからドーピングしないのは当たり前だよね。日本のアスリートは強い
Very interesting to listen to. Thank you Clarence and the team for making this interview.
Watching this video without reading the subtitles makes the bilingual chaos of my brain incredibly happy.
ステロイドが当たり前のお国柄の人達は、自分よりデカいか強い人はステロイドユーザーじゃないと気が済まないんだろうな
コメント見てて思った
There is a limit cap at every body weight what you can *almost* lift. And if a person is lifting weights that no normal human should be able to at a particular body weight ( say someone squatting 300+ kg ATG at 90 kg body weight) he most certainly is not. And as the normal saying going... if the person is not looking natural...he/she is most likely is not.
そういう人たちはたちはあんまり自分から調べようとせずに見た目と重量で決めつけるからなぁ。盲信しろと言うのではなく、世界でも有数のアスリートである山本さんに失礼やわ。
@@Demiamant "genetic freaks" is a catagory in humanity, and top athletes are top athletes for a reason. Freak genetics+hard work=top athlete. Not everyone that does grazy weight is on steroids. Say a powerlifter whos on gear has a max 1k lb backsquat. as a natty, hed still be able to get over an 800 backsquat at his peak, maybe even a lil more. Steroids arent a miracle drug that take a string bean dude 150lbs wet and make him into a 280lb lean monster who can all the sudden tripple his bodyweight in a squat. Youre generalizing humans to a very average catagory as if anyone whos 230lbs or above is automatically on roids, and as if there is no possible way that people are born gifted and every human fits within an exact perameter of what you think people "should be able" to lift. Thats not how things work.
If you read between the lines it is clear Yamamoto is taking steroids. His evidence for him being clean is that he only competes in competitions that test for steroids. Then he later admits that people in his body building and weightlifting competitions get away with taking steroids. He also says he admires Clarence for being open about his drug use and lifting more than people in competitions who are on steroids but lying about being clean.
To me, it is clear that Toshiki wishes he could be like Clarence, but he cannot because he does not want to hated by people like you who only respect drug-free athletes.
i believe he is natural because mike o hearn and simeon panda are also natural and very big and strong so its possible in some people
🤣
Really good interview, Clarence0. Toshiki is a winner...thx!✌
Good interview. Funny to see that very Asian "Must avoid eye-contact at all times!" demeanor, contrasted with Clarence's posture and attempts at eye-contact.
We still want to see a squat battle of toshiki vs clarence. waiting for the early recovery of the toshiki injury
His squat is close to the best powerlifters of his bodyweight, it's very hard to believe that he's never taken steroids. If he's truly naty, then he has one of the greatest strength genetics ever. Normally, I wouldn't think that his numbers are even possible at his bodyweight, without peds.
his bench press is not high though
@@neohubrisyeah because he's a weightlifter and never really trained , underdeveloped chest too and elbow problem.
He said he got up to 105kg to hit those numbers. Check out Ashton rouska who is squatting 800+
日本のアスリートはドーピングしないよ。日本人はズルや嘘が大嫌い
The armstrong argument "I've been tested heaps so obviously I'm natural"
Thank Kurarensu sensei for interviewing Toshiki!
Thank you for making this video and sharing it with us🙏
Enjoyed the interview a good listen
A Clarence upload!
Great video Clarence!
A guy that excels at the big 3(weightlifting, powerlifting and bodybuilding) is insane
Shout out to jangho. What a great guy 😊
Damn talk about an interrogation. And he (Toshiki) answered all of it with respect and I felt he was being sincere and honest.
So stoked for this!!!
Man, I love your content!
Great interview!
Great interview, thanks a lot!
Extremely interesting interview!
Fantastic interview! And jesus Clarence your hamstrings are something else man
really interesting video, thanks Clarence
Excellent video! Really enjoyed it thoroughly. 💪🙏👍
16:10
Senpai has unbelievable genetics
Even Clarence appreciates he s at kaiju levels
日本人がスポーツであまり活躍できないのは外国人はドーピングしたことがあるからなのか？と思うくらい海外ではドーピングが蔓延してるんだなとコメントを見て思った。
22:08 clarence accidentally have the most japanese answer possible lol.
Great interview really enjoyed this 👌🏻
Only sitting in an interview your legs are insane. New level of muscles
SHEESH BACK AT IT WITH ANOTHER JAPAN VIDEO
Will we ever get clarence and toshiki embracing holding hands ever again?? 😢
Toshiki natty?
Damn, he must be getting his chicken, rice and broccoli straight from the Fukushima powerplant site
痩せてめちゃくちゃかっこよくなっている
Really cool dude! :)
watched the whole thing great video
It's a 23 min video that was released 5 min ago and your comment is 5 min old. The math ain't mathing bro
Right
@@Dementia.PugilisticaAfter some days nobody will be able to confirm it though. I confirm that he posted a minute after the vid got out too.
@suntzu7727 detective work + corroborating testimony. Good work lieutenant
Really nice questions asked and I like those follow up questions to go to the bottom of situations. Very interesting. And I'm not even interested in weight lifting lol
Bro is honest af🤣🤣 says Cut Cut Cut instantly
5:43 I also experienced this when I was practising karate at different dojos (two different styles) at the certain country. Senseis were not happy with me when I was trying to improve my skills. It seems that Japanese mindset values loyalty highly.
The desire to restrict someone to their culture instead of exploring every possible option to become better... It's very common in asian countries unfortunately due to the intense patriotic pride. It's also why people always keep their training and techniques secret instead of everyone helping each other.
@@BuffPomsky Yeah, i had experienced the patriotic pride strongly back then in 90'. People refused to share with me when I asked for advice in bodybuilding and general fitness etc. Even paid training sessions. Fortunately, I had opportunity to study oversea and join Crossfit. When I returned home, I switched to Oly lifts and trained on my own. Now it's somehow better as people share their techniques openly.
I think in this case it had to do with protecting the image of the national team. They were thinking "what reason would a national team weightlifter have to do most of their training at commercial gyms?"
No natural athelete has shoulders like that. Juicy like tropicana
Dangit, I had just bought this underwear😫
🤨
today we see many doping teenagers, competing in non tested powerlifting meet, breaking records by records and while claiming they're natty. The world of competing sports is just ruin for met by that time.
ステ使ってる人は嫌いだけど、試合に出てこないってのは好感持てる。気持ちの問題だから説明し辛いけど、日本人がステ使うと海外選手の人以上に嫌悪感が生まれてしまうのはなぜだろう。
俺はこの2人がキッカケでウェイトリフティングの凄さに気付いて、いつかウェイトを始めたいと思ってる。
山本選手のウェイト認知度を高めるって目標は着実に広がってますよ。
Toshiki nombrando made in abyss WoW un hombre de cultura 🤓 🔥😂
FFMI of like 27, but all natural of course.
ボディビルの世界選手権でも日本は検査しても全然陽性反応が出ないので、明らかにおかしい身体してる人を無視して検査の数合わせかクリーンアピールのためなのか日本の選手を検査してくることが多いって合戸さん言ってたな。日本はドーピングしてなくて偉いってIFBBから表彰されてたくらい(バカらしいが)他の国が酷すぎる。
My man bulked on cup ramen
bro's got huge hands
First video where Clarence is open that he uses gear.
not at all
No way is he going to admit in front of everyone like this come on bro😂😂😂
"Dragon Ball Z is above my generation"
Bro DBZ is timeless. 😢
Toshiki is BOSS
freaking nuts yo
Smells like cap that hes natty
If you can achieve those numbers without roids I'll keep going then till I maxed out naturally and hope for the best without injuries
Wonder if Clarence thinks Toshiki is natty or not.
The retention on these must be insane
hello clarence
inb4 clarence becomes an interviewer
偏見かもしれないが、クラレンスの聞く姿勢が日本人っぽいのが印象に残った。良い意味で
I am really surprised and shocked that many people thinks Toshiki is fake natural😂 I’m 100% sure that he’s natty. I’ve seen his training and taken his classes. As one of his students. I gotta prove that he is a true athlete.
He looks natural too😂 i mean he is big and all but not like unachievable.
TBH I believe that there is the possiblity of genetics freaks out there who could be as strong as Toshiki nautrally but frankly we'll never truly know if there are because steroids do exist so in the end it's hard to trust if someone is that strong and says they are natty. To be clear I'm not saying toshiki is natural.
I don't believe it for guys who are as lean as him. If he was built like a 300lb strongman, I'd consider it plausible for a genetic freak to be that strong.
I always think this as if steroids were not invented. I'm sure there would be outliers who are so much stronger than seems possible for the average person. Same as it's in every other subject: If steroids for brains existed, no one would believe the top geniuses or chess prodigies were natty, they are just on a different level.
Don't believe. Even with out limited scientific knowledge, we know that body weight is high correlated with strength. If there are freaks out there, they're the Eddie Halls and Brian Shaws pre-steroid use. They're not six-pack'd sub 100kg dudes squatting 340, no way.
I think people should realise how much leverages actually matter. Saying he is on stuff just bc of his squat is rather stupid.
@@MellonVegan True, for me it's the amount of lean mass he carries without having myostatin deficiency. His squat is insane, but it's possible natty with really good genetics and leverages.
Only seeing this now because of the insta story, you should post a story as soon as you post!!
While I won't claim to believe he's natty, I've also suspended disbelief in Toshiki's lack of natty-ness. My only personal take on support for him being natty is how many injuries and surgeries he's had. If we believe Clarence was natty when he said he was, he got to 150/190ish (I think) without gear, but messing up his knees and being constantly pretty badly injured and awful feeling. Going with this, too, Toshiki had almost a decade more of competitive WL experience than Clarence, giving him a lot more time to get more gains. It seems like Toshiki he had worse injuries than even Clarence did, and kept pushing through in very extreme ways (see other WLW's interviews) so to me it's conceivably possible he got to where he did natty, but paid a bigger price. Whereas if he wasn't natty, you'd figure he'd have been able to get by with less injuries by taking HGH or similar, or even non-banned drugs like calcitonin or Actovegin.
People use calcitonin for performance enhancement?
@@ahmarcamacho8404 In endurance sports mostly. Alberto Salazar in USA was famous for doing it with his athletes. Figured it would help Toshiki as it's meant for bone healing. Not on the banned list, either. For what it's worth, too, Toshiki could have legally used TB500 until I think 2021 or 2022, and BPC-157 until this year. Copper peptide still isn't on the banned list, either.
The fact that he (seemingly) just kept on running super injured without using these things to me makes me think, well, maybe he is/was natty?
@@GilBatesLovesyouthe large amount of injuries points more to steroids than anything else
@@dennisnordlund902 I think quite the opposite, since Clarence went on gear he's had relatively few injuries compared to when he was off.
korea vlog when???
お国柄が違うんよ
ステロイド使うことにメリットがほとんどないのが日本なのよ
解り合えないわな
120 mg of ibuprofen for that kind of an injury!? No wonder he was in pain. I would've expected like 800 mg to 1200 mg tablets, here even the common over the counter is 400 mg. Maybe he meant to say 200 instead of 20.
Gonna bring all the DYELs in for this one.
Edit: Jawon Garrison, a powerlifter in the 181lb class, JUST set a world record squat of 777lbs a few days ago at the American Pro 2. Jawon is a lifetime natty, and he actually plans to go to the untested side and hop on to turn himself into a real monster the way John Haack did. Toshiki can 100% achieve the feats he has naturally.
Genetic freaks are real whether people want to except it or not. But trying to convince DYELs of this is like talking to a brick wall.
Testing is so incredibly easy to get around in the IPF/other tested feds. Give them a date window, blast outside of that window, make sure your system is flushed a week or so beforehand either side. It's literally just an intelligent test. The fact that 'tested' lifters are equalling or BESTING untested records - guys who have carte blanche to take EVERYTHING - should tell you all you need to know. The majority of the top 10 in any given weight category/class (outside of the LW women's or supers perhaps) will be juicing on the sly. I don't disagree with your point however that there ARE insanely gifted naturals out there.
you're a DYEL if you think this guy is natty with combination of his physique + numbers
@@christopherroberts2500There is no date window. They get tested randomly.
@sylsch2701 incorrect, there are literally not enough resources for that to happen, and it essentially locks athlete down into one place forever. There are one or two periods, fed dependent, where they have to state their whereabouts. Failure to appear within this periods is considered a fail. As I said, it's an intelligence test. Nobody over an 80IQ is fucking that up.
@@christopherroberts2500 Nobody is f*cking it up until the entire Russian state sponsored doping scandal broke. You'd figure the scientists running that would have IQs over 80, right? But anti-doping scientists are also genius-level smart. You can't just clear out all exogenous hormones out of your body to take a PED test and not have your biomarkers be completely and obviously out of whack. It doesn't take a galaxy-brain IQ to see a 200 lb stud with 99th percentile genetic superiority, see his free testosterone levels are about equal to a 90 year old FEMALE, and know that there might be something up lmao.
I actually believe he could be natural, especially looking at his body composition which isn't outrageous like most bodybuilders that openly use PED's. Of course his strength is way more "suspicious", but there is still a significant gap between him and the lifters from countries like China, who definitely do use something.
Its so sad and also funny that many guys here believes Toshiki is fake natty.
He has passed strict drug tests countless times while he was competing and the bodybuilding federation he is in also impose athletes drug inspection announced and unannounced.
They should look at the size of top natural japanese bodybuilders. They are absolutely massive and Toshiki is also one of those outliers to have that size and strength.
It's the typical Western gymbro mentality. They've got average genetics and believe anyone stronger or bigger than them is on gear.
It's better to just not bring up steroids. We know even if you thought he was juicing (which I'm sure you really do) you wouldn't accuse a japanese person of it as it's very much illegal and carries shame to be caught even more so than other athletes. Similar why Swedes living in Sweden wouldn't admit to it, as they evenn randomly test in gyms.
Unless someone can prove it otherwise with an actual law or statute, as far as I researched, albeit this was 10ish years ago, steroids were actually more legal in Japan than in USA. In that while they are/were prescription only, they were not "controlled substances" that would get you arrested like you would for heroin or meth or whatever, like they are in USA. I read foreigners accounts of being able to buy orals freely from Thailand/etc, but injectables the problem was getting a supply of clean needles, but not the drugs themselves.
Japan also in the 1990s/early 2000s had untested MMA as a very popular thing, too. You can argue for the social stigma aspect of it with Japan, but I don't think there's any real legal argument to make, Japan overall has better civil liberties than Sweden right now, anyway. Even for the social stigma aspect, if you look at JADO sanctions, you'll find many sanctions for steroids or SARMs are shorter than USA, and NADOs aren't forced to publicize all names and results. I'm sure in Japan as well with Asian "face" culture and corruption you could make bad results go away. We hold Japan to a higher standard but I don't think ultimately Japan is any different than the rest of Asia in these aspects, they're just more polished.
Why do you think Clarence thinks he's juicing?
@@Micheldied because he has a brain and uses PEDs himself. If it wasn’t apparent already with her strength being an Olympian, how about the size for bodybuilding
@@Fillegubben and yet, Clarence has said on Patreon that he thinks Toshiki is natural. So tell me again how you know Clarence thinks he's on gear?
Also, he's barely over 80kg for bodybuilding. He isn't massive at all.
@@Micheldied People don't really get being friends nowadays. You help your friends out and don't spread rumors/accusations about them, even if deep down you might believe something is up. Especially in the case of something like steroids where you're not really concretely hurting anyone. I remember Vegan Gains made a video about Clarence Kennedy and said he was natty when he was in fact taking gear, when Vegan Gains was the king of natty or not BS, because they were both vegan and both became personal friends of each other.
Also, since it seems like Toshiki had pretty garbage pharmacology for actually preventing injuries, really the only drug he could have taken nowadays is testosterone suspension, which is in and out of the system in a day or two. Some people take it just before their heavy days to get the extra strength drive and hype up, and since it's in and out it doesn't really shut you down like a long ester will.
There's no way for me to know anything, but a lot of me suspends disbelief and actually think Asians just have better genetics in being able to handle lots of training volume. Even in other sports I've trained in, Asians excel and can handle a lot of volume of work. There's also the fact even historically, Japanese and Korean lifters did well, back to the 1940s and 1950s, before steroids were a big factor.
かっこいい😊日本の誇り。ナチュラルこそ至高。
アニメ好きなんですねw
Aho dana
彼はオリンピック選手で厳しい検査を何回も受けてるし、ずっと前からアンチドーピング活動をしてるので間違いなくナチュラルです。
ちなみに、日本には彼より大きいナチュラルビルダーがたくさんいます。
Clearence also has hams..
320kg squat natty yeah, with 6 pack abs no.
there are few guys in the 1920ies to 1959ies that did a 300kg + deadlifts
@@saddemgargourizack telander did a 300 deadlift.
a professional internet fitness bro in this era , you have to be stupid to believe he isn't on gear @@-TK-
@@saddemgargouri and there probably would have been monster squatters back then if someone had invented the squat rack earlier. But alas, before it was made, one could only back squat the weight they could first clean from the ground.
@@theKashConnoisseur Heinrich Steinborn for instance ''squatted'' 250 kg 5 times , after managing to get the weight on his back without a squat rack
Weightoliftinguuu
Yeeeeha... Haha he aint fooling no one but dillutional normies. 😂
judging by this comment section some people are like yeah it must be genetics and training lmfao
I think it just makes average people feel better about being average to scream steroids, because then you can tell yourself "If I started using roids, I could be like that too". Truth is, genetics are a b*tch, and you could take all the PEDs in the world to still wind up smaller and weaker than the genetic elite are without any drugs. The truth hurts, and I understand not wanting to accept that reality.
whats a dilutional normie? is that chemistry slang?
While I agree with your post, that spelling gave me an aneurysm.
@@bilbonob548good
lol'd mirin that intro
I liked your og mildly baggy shorts. It looked cool with the tank.
Using "I competed in tested sports therefore I am natural" is the most suspicious argument possible. Everyone who got caught using PEDs at some point, was competing in tested competitions until they got caught. The fact that the first thing that he said is this terrible argument, makes me believe he isn't natural.
I feel like it's impossible to really say based on his word. Given the context, it seems like the most appropriate answer to the question, since I'm not sure how else he'd prove in that moment that he's natural, and unlike a lot of fake natties he didn't seem to be unnecessarily loud about it. If not, I'm curious what else he could've done or said that would have either cleared him, or at least not raise any more suspicion.
What other factors point to him being unnatty? Also, since I'm not knowledgeable on anti-doping, are there any cases that you can point to where athletes who claimed natty were exposed?
@@squidwarg There’s honestly so many examples, it’s difficult to prove it. You can just google Olympic Weightlifter caught with steroids and then you’ll get endless results. Same with powerlifters. Watch Clarence’s videos on anti doping for the scandals and the tactics that are used to circumvent drug testing. People like Pyrros Dimas were very outspoken about how natty they are only to be busted. They even get caught after the fact when testing becomes more advanced and it’s extremely common.
it isn't really the first thing he said - he was put on the spot so it was the first thing he said in this interview. but he's spoken about it a few times on his channel before this. perhaps his true thoughts will be more convincing than being put on a spot during an interview with a near stranger
No it's not... it's insanely hard to be unnatural in Japan for so mamy reasons. Also In Finland you get tested so often and have no idea when you will be tested. If you get caught, you'll have to pay 10 000€ and that's in bodybuilding were you earn no money.
@@squidwarg the main factor is just his unbelievable strength numbers. 321kg squat might be the best squat ever at his bodyweight for a natty. Also, he is already an A session level lifter so if he was truly natty he would absolutely dominant and destroy everyone if he went on gear, even though he is competing with other genetic elites who are juiced.
for JUST
I don't believe Toshiki is natty at all.....
While I don't think one can gain their natty cards back after being enhanced, seeing how big he was before, it looks like when he was weightlifting he was probably geared, but I don't think he's using right now. He's "small" for a bodybuilder. Though tbh he's one of those where I wouldn't be surprised either way.
I believe that he's natural enough to keep his financial support and public image in a country where steroids is extremely taboo (which is all countries)
Why's he gotta lie to us 😢
No duh
@@smolboyimoney, fame social status...
He is absolutely natty and he is still not even so big in Japanese natural bodybuilding competitions.
I know you guys would not get it because you have never tried to reach our body’s limit without drags such as steroids but that is fact.
its 2023 and people still think hes natty.
Toshiki is a natural athlete. His weightlifting is technically beautiful; his snatch, clean and jerk, and SBD are strong; and he has achieved an incredible competitive physique. He is gifted, yet humble.
Toshiki is hot