We had one of those old Ford cabovers at the department I worked for. It was a 1976 with a 3208 Caterpillar, 5 speed trans with a 2 speed rear axle. It had a Boardman fire apparatus body on it. It was one of the first air brake trucks that the department owned. It had a 500 gpm Waterous pump. The solenoid on the battery box may have had something to do with an old 12 volt wind up siren. I think I remember our old truck having a solenoid on the frame near the siren. It sure brings back a lot of memories.
That relay on the main rail is likely for the starter and a gas pliers (with figure 8 slot) to adjust - the handles fit from from one side to the other to start the starter. Fords had it on the fender wall or such to make it easy. The two small wires go to the key. One is ground and the other key start. Puts 12v on the coil to throw the relay and short the side to side for the starter.
I've been a volunteer fireman for 26 years. Also a diesel mechanic for 35. The first fire truck I drove and operated was just like that. Ford cabover F700 with a 5 speed manual 370 4v. Great truck.
it reconnects the second battery to the vehicle's main battery (to allow charging) when the engine is running and it allows the vehicle's battery to send power when the vehicle is in accessory mode or when the fire truck is running.
the hole is a heat crossover for cold starts a little exhaust will come out of the hole not a real problem wont affect the running you can JBWeld. yea its a 600 cfm or usually 1850
A little JB weld spread over a patch of fine wire mesh would seal that intake manifold until you can either get a spare or can get the hole patched with welded metal.
That's a challenge for sure. After plug wires, plugs and making sure the carb will feed fuel, you'll need to trace starter wires. That may be a starter relay on the right frame rail. As was suggested scrape the manifold to bare metal and patch with JB Weld. That clutch yoke sticking out of the bell housing should have a slave cylinder rod attached to it if it was a hydraulic clutch. It could have been removed. Trace lines from the clutch pedal assembly that should have a master cylinder connection. Look for mounting holes near that clutch yoke. Check and see if it has any brake action and as you suggested you might be much better off towing it to your ranch to work on it in a shop environment and close by tools. Good luck!
I know this videos a little old now but I'm just watching it. I am fairly certain that hole in the intake is in the egr path from the head to the carb base plate. That shouldn't effect how it runs other than exhaust gases would come out of it. The previous owner may have even blocked off the passage wich would mean it wouldn't have any effect on it running. I hope you see this and it helps you out.
Engine is a 391. This is simply the heavy duty version of the 390. And, don't forget the points and condenser. You may just need to clean the points, but they're cheap. A mess of the wiring is fire truck specific. If it has a Federal Q siren (powered by a starter motor looking motor) It will definitely have a special solenoid switch, and no doubt a button on the passenger side floor. Don't forget a well charged group 31 battery or three! They have threaded top posts...just right for a crescent wrench! Getting it running won't be any more complicated than a pickup truck of the same vintage. That solenoid on the battery tray might have been a master disconnect for the emergency lights, or perhaps a control for recharging an extra battery. Those are generally hooked to an isolated output in the alternator, which comes on when the alternator is actually putting out.
For that hole in intake manifold use J.B. WELD and patch that hole. Let it sit 24 hours and it literally turns to liquid steel. Its about 5-7 bucks at auto parts stores and great for patching stuff with high heat etv
It's A silanode y'all are right. It's most likely A back silanode.,or A secondary silanode from 12 to24 volts usages. Or it's A 24 volt system that run parrell for starting.& running the other equipment on board afterwards.
Ford style starter solenoids are routinely used on fire apparatus to power sirens and emergency lighting systems. They are also used to power hose reels and foam eductor supply valves.
Should have said old fire trucks. Everything has been electronic for many years now. The solenoids drove the old motor driven impeller type sirens that you rarely see any more.
Not that it matters anymore but, I think that hose under the truck with a fitting on it that goes to the PS pump is for the HYD slave CLY. for the clutch.
Classic old fire truck, hope you can bring her back to life Hank! Swing on by to my channel next week I’ve got some start videos planned I think you’ll enjoy!
"Water is the universal solvent, the crescent wrench is the universal tool"----Me and some other famous person probably. I'd like to see it running and maybe even driving again. I hope y'all decide to work on it.
Ya know, I'm not one to look at a piece of history like that and say it's too far gone... but that one... I think it may be too far gone. She's definitely seen her better days.
You could get it to start. Might cost you an arm and a leg. But then I agree with you, might not be worth it in the end. Dad has two of these old Fords. One is a linemen truck, the other has a dump body. Have a good one, J
that second isonorr is power for cab n lights n first one on frames is to starter that blue dont go to carburetor it run to resistance on bed behide n above engine
Hank, this looks like it will be a tough one to ever get started. Good to see Mr. Tommy and I had to laugh when he threw the snake skin on you. Enjoyed the video.
@@HamiltonvilleFarm Hank, I could easily come up with many reasons to pass that one up. As good as you are at finding vehicles that don't start you can probably find another firetruck in a little better shape.
Excellent video Hank :) & Tom :) also yes better (eat lots Wheat Cereal plus French Toast with Cheese also Hot Coffee to drink and lots fruits ) each time work that old Ford Fire Truck lift hood take lots strong strength to heav hull up ! Yes that motor is a Industrial motor type 390 bored up 394 V8 with 850 or 1000CFM in 2 or 4 with 9 or 10 speed Super Dyna Scan type with 390 rear end gears! There interesting truck to work on Hank :) and to drive too!
You never can remember the 3rd thing your daddy told you🤔and the first 2 always seem to change 🤣🤣🤣. I love a will it start video but I have to admit, this one might be too far gone 🤷🏻♂️. Keep up the great video's Hank 🤙🏻
I'm with Doug about the solenoid in the battery box for a siren and maybe the hose with the flare fitting on the end might be for the slave clutch cylinder. Looks about rusty enough for brake fluid to have been all over it and never did see the slave cylinder. The master for it ought to be on the firewall. Yall ought to go back once more and see how many more snake sheds you find. A guy I worked for was deathly scared of snakes. Even when snow was on the ground. I was cleaning out a ditch with a shovel and he hollered SNAKE and threw a hose down at my feet. I never slowed down. He said' That never even bothered you, did it'? and I told him if it had ANYTHING to do with a snake, HE wouldn't be in a million miles of it'. So Tommy gets the A-PLUS! GBWYall!
@@HamiltonvilleFarm I'm going to give you the whole thing since you're way behind on me aggravating yall. Years ago the whole family went camping over a long weekend at a reserved campground. Pisgah National. Uncles, Aunts, Parents, Cousins, the whole outfit. I was leaving one evening coming back home when my baby sister ran up and gave me a rubber snake and said for me to hide it before some of the kids gave some of the old folks a heart attack running around with it. I had an old field jacket and coats and such piled in the middle of the bench seat on the old truck, 67 or 68 Chevy 1/2 ton so I slipped the snake under the field jacket and promptly forgot about it. Fast forward to I have no idea when but was a while. My boss was riding shotgun and started pawing through the coats and such proclaiming about what he might find in there, to which I said, 'You better watch it, you might get snake bit' and THEN remembered that rubber snake but before I could say anything he yanked the field jacket up and the snake went BOING and raised up like it was going to bite him. Rubber will do that. He hollered and bounced off the door 3 times that was sprung from someone backing into it from when my dad was driving it, the door popped open and he landed in the ditch. I was already stopped by then. 'I'll get you for that' he said and I replied that that's what he got for plundering around in someone else's vehicle. It was later that same day he threw that hose at my feet and hollered 'SNAKE'! I've done a LOT of living in my 70 blessed years. This is the Gods honest truth too. You can't make this stuff up. GBWYall!
How ya been Hank and father in-law .it's been awhile since I've been on .my wife to be has been in the hospital off and on things are not good whith her at all they said she is at the final stages of c.o.p.d.and there is nothing more they can do for her but to keep her sedated and calm .but I'm trying to figure how I'm going to pay for everything so I'd like to get a go fund me going but never done that.just to help whith meds a.to catch up on a couplebills for her and to have our wedding before she passes and mainley it's for being able to keep her grandson here and but looking forward to the start up of the fire truck godbless and stay safe
I'd say with a headache of a wiring issue as that ol girl has i certainly would not think about placing it on the bottom of the list to hard unless your planning on purchasing it for yourself. You've got wiring problems inside the cab and in the engine compartment. Hank..... leave it fer scrap!
Don't look at all the things wrong with the truck and hook a gas line and a hot wire to the truck and batteries and pour gas in the carburetor filling the bowl and try to start it, just look at the simple stuff.
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We had one of those old Ford cabovers at the department I worked for. It was a 1976 with a 3208 Caterpillar, 5 speed trans with a 2 speed rear axle. It had a Boardman fire apparatus body on it. It was one of the first air brake trucks that the department owned. It had a 500 gpm Waterous pump. The solenoid on the battery box may have had something to do with an old 12 volt wind up siren. I think I remember our old truck having a solenoid on the frame near the siren. It sure brings back a lot of memories.
Right on! Thanks for watching
I've driven a couple of tandem dumps with 3208's and 13-unders and they were fine trucks. 3208 is a fine motor.
I can't believe you're not going to start this fine fire truck ! I really like it.
That relay on the main rail is likely for the starter and a gas pliers (with figure 8 slot) to adjust - the handles fit from from one side to the other to start the starter. Fords had it on the fender wall or such to make it easy. The two small wires go to the key. One is ground and the other key start. Puts 12v on the coil to throw the relay and short the side to side for the starter.
Great work and can’t wait to see the next one thanks for sharing this with us take care
I've been a volunteer fireman for 26 years. Also a diesel mechanic for 35. The first fire truck I drove and operated was just like that. Ford cabover F700 with a 5 speed manual 370 4v. Great truck.
Right on!
I've really enjoy these older trucks and stuff that you do thank you for sharing and taking time out of your day to do these
Thanks Jeremy!
@@HamiltonvilleFarm your welcome
it reconnects the second battery to the vehicle's main battery (to allow charging) when the engine is running and it allows the vehicle's battery to send power when the vehicle is in accessory mode or when the fire truck is running.
the hole is a heat crossover for cold starts a little exhaust will come out of the hole not a real problem wont affect the running you can JBWeld. yea its a 600 cfm or usually 1850
,and number three Hank is “always look behind you for snakes in the grass!” Lol 😁
Lol
Hi Tom wee hoo ! old guys rule, nice old truck mite be good watering flowers good luck with this one God bless
Thanks Robert!
A little JB weld spread over a patch of fine wire mesh would seal that intake manifold until you can either get a spare or can get the hole patched with welded metal.
That's a challenge for sure. After plug wires, plugs and making sure the carb will feed fuel, you'll need to trace starter wires. That may be a starter relay on the right frame rail. As was suggested scrape the manifold to bare metal and patch with JB Weld. That clutch yoke sticking out of the bell housing should have a slave cylinder rod attached to it if it was a hydraulic clutch. It could have been removed. Trace lines from the clutch pedal assembly that should have a master cylinder connection. Look for mounting holes near that clutch yoke. Check and see if it has any brake action and as you suggested you might be much better off towing it to your ranch to work on it in a shop environment and close by tools. Good luck!
Thanks for watching 👍
I know this videos a little old now but I'm just watching it. I am fairly certain that hole in the intake is in the egr path from the head to the carb base plate. That shouldn't effect how it runs other than exhaust gases would come out of it. The previous owner may have even blocked off the passage wich would mean it wouldn't have any effect on it running. I hope you see this and it helps you out.
Engine is a 391. This is simply the heavy duty version of the 390. And, don't forget the points and condenser. You may just need to clean the points, but they're cheap. A mess of the wiring is fire truck specific. If it has a Federal Q siren (powered by a starter motor looking motor) It will definitely have a special solenoid switch, and no doubt a button on the passenger side floor. Don't forget a well charged group 31 battery or three! They have threaded top posts...just right for a crescent wrench! Getting it running won't be any more complicated than a pickup truck of the same vintage. That solenoid on the battery tray might have been a master disconnect for the emergency lights, or perhaps a control for recharging an extra battery. Those are generally hooked to an isolated output in the alternator, which comes on when the alternator is actually putting out.
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For that hole in intake manifold use J.B. WELD and patch that hole. Let it sit 24 hours and it literally turns to liquid steel. Its about 5-7 bucks at auto parts stores and great for patching stuff with high heat etv
tommy done throwing them copperheaded rattle moccasins at cha gotta love it
Lol
Pre 68 no side marker lights
@@HamiltonvilleFarm we had a pumper and a snorkel on this body style of rig..
yeah and everything was chrome bumper grille a real stunner
The snakeskin bit was pretty funny!
It's a real looker!!
Thanks for watching!
I clicked on this video right after I asked about it. Hope you get it running!
Thanks!
I love those cabover Fords!
They look good but this one is rough! LOL
It's A silanode y'all are right. It's most likely A back silanode.,or A secondary silanode from 12 to24 volts usages. Or it's A 24 volt system that run parrell for starting.& running the other equipment on board afterwards.
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oh yes! so you didnt throw the towel and try to fix it , awesome
Ford style starter solenoids are routinely used on fire apparatus to power sirens and emergency lighting systems. They are also used to power hose reels and foam eductor supply valves.
Thanks
Should have said old fire trucks. Everything has been electronic for many years now. The solenoids drove the old motor driven impeller type sirens that you rarely see any more.
Not that it matters anymore but, I think that hose under the truck with a fitting on it that goes to the PS pump is for the HYD slave CLY. for the clutch.
ahhh that things in worse shape since we last saw it haha oh and that transition to the "three things dad said" was flawless HAHA
For real! It’s horrible
@@HamiltonvilleFarm as long as it aint too rusty and motor not siezed its worth the efforts
It better be a "comebacker!" Hahaha. I agree though. Get that 310 first.
Very hopefully you get back over there! Good video that black water flowing that you crossed it so cool, I’m used to clear blue water out in Arizona!
Classic old fire truck, hope you can bring her back to life Hank! Swing on by to my channel next week I’ve got some start videos planned I think you’ll enjoy!
"Water is the universal solvent, the crescent wrench is the universal tool"----Me and some other famous person probably. I'd like to see it running and maybe even driving again. I hope y'all decide to work on it.
use a dash of DAWN for cleaning the stuff up works wonder along with whitewall cleaner
Run run forest run lol. When he got you on that snake skin. Lolololol .
Lol
Rip the amazing dad
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Ya know, I'm not one to look at a piece of history like that and say it's too far gone... but that one... I think it may be too far gone. She's definitely seen her better days.
Tell it all!
Good to see you hank how is your wife great I hope y'all take care be safe see you soon buddy
Good tommy!
💥 Not too sure about this one. It might not start. Good luck.
*Keep on tractoring!*
I’m with you on that
You could get it to start. Might cost you an arm and a leg. But then I agree with you, might not be worth it in the end. Dad has two of these old Fords. One is a linemen truck, the other has a dump body. Have a good one, J
Howdy Hank run a gravity feed to carb just to get it started. Bring a long piece of wire to run power to coil.
Howboutcha!
that second isonorr is power for cab n lights n first one on frames is to starter
that blue dont go to carburetor it run to resistance on bed behide n above engine
Cool. Thanks
Add some jb weld or expoxy on intake scrounge up a Holley 4bbl. And manifold
Good truck
Wow
Good job
Maybe a snow plow or winch .dont know if ya need a solenoid on siren . Power takeoff to pump
Thanks guys, cant win them all
God bless and have a good day hank
Thanks you too!
Very good job and God bless yall
Thanks Ralph!
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Thanks for the video!
Life is a learning curve!
Hindsight is 20-15!
I love the intro. I wished it could have been in better condition.
Thanks 🙏
Start and restore it..👍✌️🙂😻
Hi hank and uncle Tommy I like that dance don't forget the duck tape to fix that hole haha 😆
Lol
JB weld expoxy and window screen patch
After opening that cab you found out why firefighters are in such good shape.
Lol. True!
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that ford 287 v8 1967 u going need new intakes because there shouldn't be hole in it n i recommended Eddie carburetor 800cfm for that motors
That add on on the battery tray is the solenoid for the wind up siren that was probably on there.
I agree Hank, if it had a Federal siren, which I'm sure it did, they draw some serious amperage.
It looks to me like you’d have to replace everything but the chassi quite a project for sure but wouldn’t she be beautiful!
lol. I hear ya
2 crescent wrenches, one SAE and one metric in case there are "furrin" bolts somewhere.
That’s right!
great job buddy and great video as always 😎👊🏻👍🏻 evey time you say the three things i keep thinking you are going to remember lol 🤣🤣😂
Thanks chase!
@@HamiltonvilleFarm you are welcome buddy 😀 tommy throwing the snake skin on you was hilarious lol 🤣😂😅
Hank, this looks like it will be a tough one to ever get started. Good to see Mr. Tommy and I had to laugh when he threw the snake skin on you. Enjoyed the video.
Thanks Terry. Probably be a while, if ever. Lol
@@HamiltonvilleFarm Hank, I could easily come up with many reasons to pass that one up. As good as you are at finding vehicles that don't start you can probably find another firetruck in a little better shape.
That second solenoid on the batt tray probably powered the old siren.
Thanks
I saw ya doing the shutter bug. 🤣
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put some bundled tissue paper in the hole then mix some JB weld to spread over the top and let it dry
Watch out for that snake 🐍lol oh man that was great
Lol
@@HamiltonvilleFarm love your videos
Yall gotta get this thing going. Cum burn or bleed. This is too cool. God bless you and yours Hank
Thanks for watching!
Excellent video Hank :) & Tom :) also yes better (eat lots Wheat Cereal plus French Toast with Cheese also Hot Coffee to drink and lots fruits ) each time work that old Ford Fire Truck lift hood take lots strong strength to heav hull up ! Yes that motor is a Industrial motor type 390 bored up 394 V8 with 850 or 1000CFM in 2 or 4 with 9 or 10 speed Super Dyna Scan type with 390 rear end gears! There interesting truck to work on Hank :) and to drive too!
Thanks Andrew!
@@HamiltonvilleFarm welcome and that what my late Dad used tell me to eat if do heavy duty jobs and so won't get burn out!
Hole is called JB Weld..
good job god bless yall
Thanks 🙏
Hmm I dunno what kinda solenoid that was I've been around semis 20 years looool old school stuff 😀
I would love to rebuild it
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Thanks. a lot! we appreciate that.
Hi hank from west Alabama love ya
Howboutcha Jamie!
@@HamiltonvilleFarm not good I got chronic migraine pray for me
Hanging hose at the back of the engine is for the slave cylinder. The slave has been removed
Thanks for that
You got to fix this truck
That thing is to hold the battery in.
Looks a tricky one but ya never know it may not take much at all, anyway enjoyed the video bro. Safe travels up your way
Thanks for watching Ken
My Guess is the extra Solenoid May have something to do with the motor for the water pump for the fire hoses (?)
Good guess!
Did I win a pin for the Bill of my cap ? Only joking. I enjoy watching.
I take it the ignition is a points type?
A piece of metal and some JB weld will patch that manifold right up.
that there thing on the battery tray is called a leveright. you just lever right there and ignore it.
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me sees a firetruck video
me yes its about time the broke out the jb weld steel stick
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Howboutcha pal, some weight in that cab indeed. I would have been watching for the Snake too Tommy lol. 😨😨👍👍🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧🇺🇸
Maybe he needs to change his drawers now?
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You never can remember the 3rd thing your daddy told you🤔and the first 2 always seem to change 🤣🤣🤣. I love a will it start video but I have to admit, this one might be too far gone 🤷🏻♂️. Keep up the great video's Hank 🤙🏻
I hear ya! Thanks for watching 😁
@@HamiltonvilleFarm The 3rd thing was probably to never forget the first 2!
I'm with Doug about the solenoid in the battery box for a siren and maybe the hose with the flare fitting on the end might be for the slave clutch cylinder. Looks about rusty enough for brake fluid to have been all over it and never did see the slave cylinder. The master for it ought to be on the firewall. Yall ought to go back once more and see how many more snake sheds you find. A guy I worked for was deathly scared of snakes. Even when snow was on the ground. I was cleaning out a ditch with a shovel and he hollered SNAKE and threw a hose down at my feet. I never slowed down. He said' That never even bothered you, did it'? and I told him if it had ANYTHING to do with a snake, HE wouldn't be in a million miles of it'. So Tommy gets the A-PLUS! GBWYall!
Lol 😂
@@HamiltonvilleFarm I'm going to give you the whole thing since you're way behind on me aggravating yall.
Years ago the whole family went camping over a long weekend at a reserved campground. Pisgah National. Uncles, Aunts, Parents, Cousins, the whole outfit. I was leaving one evening coming back home when my baby sister ran up and gave me a rubber snake and said for me to hide it before some of the kids gave some of the old folks a heart attack running around with it. I had an old field jacket and coats and such piled in the middle of the bench seat on the old truck, 67 or 68 Chevy 1/2 ton so I slipped the snake under the field jacket and promptly forgot about it. Fast forward to I have no idea when but was a while. My boss was riding shotgun and started pawing through the coats and such proclaiming about what he might find in there, to which I said, 'You better watch it, you might get snake bit' and THEN remembered that rubber snake but before I could say anything he yanked the field jacket up and the snake went BOING and raised up like it was going to bite him. Rubber will do that. He hollered and bounced off the door 3 times that was sprung from someone backing into it from when my dad was driving it, the door popped open and he landed in the ditch. I was already stopped by then. 'I'll get you for that' he said and I replied that that's what he got for plundering around in someone else's vehicle. It was later that same day he threw that hose at my feet and hollered 'SNAKE'! I've done a LOT of living in my 70 blessed years. This is the Gods honest truth too. You can't make this stuff up. GBWYall!
😂😂😂 I enjoyed that story!
@@HamiltonvilleFarm I can take you to the guy that it happened to. He can't get out of it any more than I can. Truth is truth. Pitiful, ain't it!
How ya been Hank and father in-law .it's been awhile since I've been on .my wife to be has been in the hospital off and on things are not good whith her at all they said she is at the final stages of c.o.p.d.and there is nothing more they can do for her but to keep her sedated and calm .but I'm trying to figure how I'm going to pay for everything so I'd like to get a go fund me going but never done that.just to help whith meds a.to catch up on a couplebills for her and to have our wedding before she passes and mainley it's for being able to keep her grandson here and but looking forward to the start up of the fire truck godbless and stay safe
It's a starter solenoid
Good stuff.
Thanks buddy!
Regained your composure, does that mean you changed your underwear.🤣😎
Best wishes from the North.
Lol
Holley carburettors are notorious for catching fire'
I'd say with a headache of a wiring issue as that ol girl has i certainly would not think about placing it on the bottom of the list to hard unless your planning on purchasing it for yourself. You've got wiring problems inside the cab and in the engine compartment. Hank..... leave it fer scrap!
Yeah I hear ya.
Love this video
Thanks Zac!
Don't look at all the things wrong with the truck and hook a gas line and a hot wire to the truck and batteries and pour gas in the carburetor filling the bowl and try to start it, just look at the simple stuff.
Holly carbs are crap. Carter ThermoQuad ..(now Edlebrock)...love a TQ ..
JB weld! Lots of it. Watch that back Hank. Your too young to have a spinal injury...😅
For sure!!
I would love to own that fire engine
That should be a 391 v8.
as a mechanic and a former volie this video really makes me sad to see such a classic ford rotting away like that
Yeah I hear ya.
What happened with this fire truck?
Hey Hank 😀👍
Howboutcha
Somewhere there should be a wiring diagram on the truck
Is it really worthwhile to put energy into it?
Me thinks no
If it was easy,anyone could do it!
Are you still going to be working on that fire truck anytime soon again ??
Hope so. We’ve done a few things that will help it, just haven’t filmed it. Thanks for asking 👍
Great video. Did you know I was the Elvis Fan of the Week? Just saying.
That’s awesome I had no idea!!! For real
Or are you pulling my leg??
Its a relay switch
Its the Ford starter solild