Love watching speedrun's for games like this. You always learn the true OP strats, which for a great game like this can save some serious time even on a fun or casual playthrough.
This video really exemplifies that you need to work smart, not hard. I used to be put off by Disgaea as a kid until I tried it, then realized that it wasn't mindless grinding, you just had to grind smart, and with each iteration of Disgaea there'd be more and more ways to break the game, it's really amazing.
watching this video and replaying it in my game, i did the same thing in 10 hours. It took longer to learn the mechanics behind it than it really is a thing in itself. Great video.
goddamn i'm having a blast watching this whenever i see you doing something bold, i was always thinking "aw no way this dude is insane" and just like that you got a level 400 unit in an hour
Throwing anyway that isn't left, right, up, down is actually a glitch untill like in disgaea 4 when they made it a normal thing probably to annoyed that people where abusing it and just made it a mechanic.
@@stopstopp a gitch that became acknowledged in one game than a feature in future games is still a gitch. It's actually common practice to keep well liked gitches in future titles/updates. Some games also just make it a feature. If it wasn't a gitch you wouldn't need to practices how to get to the area you like consistently in a game like disgaea.
Hmm, so far I followed the vid up to around 40:00 but without commentary it is difficult to know what’s going on sometimes. I’m trying this on the DS version so hopefully “diagonal throwing” doesn’t become mandatory later. Also the “Unit cap” is smaller so capturing monsters can get annoying sometimes. So far tho, this has been very helpful.
Masterful exploitation of the reward system, you are a true demon. Also I had no idea you could throw diagonally, that bit of information would have saved me a lot of time when grinding.
omg I really just watched this all XD Late to the game, played phantom brave as a kid, bought a while ago on steam on sale... x2 speed and skipping around but took over an hour to watch, amazingggggg tech, that's a W right there
@@treeman73272 the mechanic was grindy and felt terrible to use, plus, a lot of mechanics are kinda weird due to the level cap increases of 9999->9,999,999->99,999,999.
@@xbon1 it was necessary to grind in disgaea 5 to max out your stats, you captured monsters in bulk then got magic extract out of them, I really liked that you could do that to get stronger
Why is everyone complaining this is cheating? The fast forward stuff and lifting ability, that's already been in disgaea since in PSP and PS2 Btw I just couldn't believe how smart it is to abuse the lifting and combining enemies system
This really helped, I just crushed all the super bosses with my Surt's and Dullahan's! It felt a little unfair. I might type up a comment for the PC version, basically it is the same except when he passes the "strongest enemies" bill. So with that I didn't need to max it out right away. For the first Nekomata or Dullahan I passed it a couple times then captured one at a similar level. Then I had to pass it a couple more times for the next one and so on. I did have to max it out to get the 9000+ Dullahan's though, then I captured a 3 of them, which really helped capture the Surt's!
Man I am speechless. Maybe I dont understand half of it but I learned a lot from this xD Like 58:17 I was like what is he doing he can do shit about it and after a while it hit me and I was like: Genius!
I wish there was commentary explaining what is being done and why... maybe I'm just old cause I played this in like 2003-2004 and never got back on since joining the military in 04.
I did the same thing to rip through the guest bosses and get me through the item world until I got the Yoshitsuna. Just got an overleveled Dullahan to do the work. Nostalgia.
consider redoing on ps4 remake? you can skip cutscenes and sword swings, and quitting during a battle or item world just undoes the battle (or having jumped into item world) rather than all the way back to the title screen. awesome job tho. just finished playing it thru baal and prinny baal, and i took just a LITTLE longer, like 130 hours longer. :-P
If the sum of levels to your vassals in the portal are iqual o great than character you throw in the portal, you can chatch them, but not happend all time, if you failed, the portal break and all you vassals in the portal are defead
I havent played in a while but during that one part at 1:11:30 I think you could have lift the golem then ran into the box then cancel to get into the box and still reset the lifting character. If you where planning to get into the box.
So can some explain how the hell some of those red mages and brawlers were suddenly lv 24 Around 46:00 mark? They didnt kill any enemies or nothing? How is it done and is it possible on disgaea pc?
When you change throw direction, the target briefly moves along the diagonals on its way to the new direction, if you press A (or X on ps4) before it reaches the new direction, then the character will be thrown diagonally.
Some one answered this already but if you throw the enemies with a Red HP bar to the enemies with a Yellow HP bar you can combined them. Yellow bar enemies are neutral so you don't have to kill them. As long as all the enemies with Red HP bars are gone your bill will pass. I usually pull a neutral enemy close to my base and bate the red enemies before starting to combine them.
Was there a limitation on being able to move the cursor quickly? You could shave gime by changing the settings to make it move faster or by holding down the button that makes it move even faster than that.
Wny are you killing your own dudes? do you even get Exp from them? or just for the weapon mastery?/Porque matas a tus compañeros? Dan Exp o solo por la maestria?
no jodas ahora nunca será lo mismo jugar disgaea jaja, hay varias cosas que no entiendo como no se me habían ocurrido, gracias!, algún truco que no funcione en la versión de psp? es la que estoy jugando actualmente ya que no tengo switch :(
You mean in the court? I think it was like this: When you want to get something to get approved in the court, there‘ll be monsters who‘ll be either pro (Yay) or con (Nay). If the nay‘s outnumber the yay‘s, you‘ll get to use force on the court and you enter the fight. The pro‘s are neutral (theoretically on your side) but won‘t interfere in the fight and you’ll have to get rid of all the con monsters. Here is the deal. Since the monsters judging are extremely strong and much higher level, you can’t really fight them. The trick is, you’ll have to “feed” the weaker con monsters to the stronger pro monster (by their current level). Example: Con Lvl 54 -> Pro Lvl 78 = Pro Lvl 132 That’s done by lifting and throwing the weaker con monster onto the stronger pro monster. And since the pro monsters are neutral, they won’t attack you. Once all con monsters gotten rid off, you win and the court gets approved :)
@@Memoli_Kara I think they meant after they're tossed into the base for a failed capture, because once the monster comes out, it doesn't fight back. An example of this is at @22:01
@@sourdoughfox I don't think that's what he meant though... Because that enemy isn't attacking at all even before throwing him into the base. I don't remember/know why though.
Don’t you do more damage when you chain more attacks up at once or is that only a mechanic of the later games? Between the overkill use of brave hearts and not taking advantage of chaining attacks together, I feel like several minutes could be shaved off of this run.
@@TheMike5125 Right! I actually beat the story myself last week! Your advice is definitely right though: It took quite a lot of grinding! 5-3 and 14-1 over and over and over!
I killed Mid-Boss after powering him to level 37. Since his a Boss monster he gives bonus Exp and Money. One of the most exploit mechanics in speed runs.
че за бред ? привет. по4ему у тебя игра так красиво выглядит ? у меня есть обе для Плайсташан 2 и ПК(стим)... обе смотряца гавено. мягко говоря. ( что не выбери в настройках ПК версии)
That diagonal throw is not a cheat. It has been part of the game since it's release. It is a matter of changing the direction of the throw with the directional keys and hitting whatever enter button you are using as the the characters are changing direction
Well totally skilled problem man like the comment below done and try it multi time to get mine hyperdrive asap. And i do it 2time so i can the 2nd hyperdrive
Disgaea series is one of best JRPG series of all time, if you can't imagine you don't like JRPGs. That said, 1 is clunkiest/worst gameplay mechanically, 5 or 7 would be better to kill Baal in and have fun
Now that I have played this game a bit more. I can see you edited this. Heavily.....Their is a ton of activity missing. I do not believe you did this in the time stated.
Haven't played this version of the game but I have been playing disgaea since around 2005/2006. Seeing the optimization the creators have put in such as allowing attack animation to be turned off and the automatic movement of characters on the map is very nice. I am also curious as to what edits you are talking about. All I see is an optimized game with genius routing to one of the hardest enemies in the game
Well dude its possible man i kill baal within 4hr before too but that just luck. When you had no life enuf you can do it man. This is D1... Baal are just a pushover
Well that was insane.. can't believe I'm wasting my time grinding.
Love watching speedrun's for games like this. You always learn the true OP strats, which for a great game like this can save some serious time even on a fun or casual playthrough.
This video really exemplifies that you need to work smart, not hard. I used to be put off by Disgaea as a kid until I tried it, then realized that it wasn't mindless grinding, you just had to grind smart, and with each iteration of Disgaea there'd be more and more ways to break the game, it's really amazing.
Etna : Laharl, the demons are attacking!
Laharl : *punching prinnies*
*when you like the grindan game, but only have one day off to play*
This!!
Never knew there was such a speedrun, but I'm not surprised. Good job DOOOOOD
Watching speed runs always teaches great tech
This is what peak Disgaea 1 looks like.
watching this video and replaying it in my game, i did the same thing in 10 hours. It took longer to learn the mechanics behind it than it really is a thing in itself. Great video.
goddamn i'm having a blast watching this
whenever i see you doing something bold, i was always thinking "aw no way this dude is insane" and just like that you got a level 400 unit in an hour
Well with some item world luck 1k lvl in an hr was possible too just needed luck
God tier speedrun. Insane how the game can be completely broken using its very mechanics - no glitches to be seen.
Throwing anyway that isn't left, right, up, down is actually a glitch untill like in disgaea 4 when they made it a normal thing probably to annoyed that people where abusing it and just made it a mechanic.
@@powerrangerblue8566 not sure it was as they kept it in all the remakes. Probably a happy glitch like in Donkey Kong Country.
@@TheMike5125 I imagine thats why they kept it in, that and it took timing.
@@powerrangerblue8566 Disgaea 3 mentions it in game asking if you know about diagonal throwing
@@stopstopp a gitch that became acknowledged in one game than a feature in future games is still a gitch. It's actually common practice to keep well liked gitches in future titles/updates. Some games also just make it a feature. If it wasn't a gitch you wouldn't need to practices how to get to the area you like consistently in a game like disgaea.
Dood, this was pretty wild
Hmm, so far I followed the vid up to around 40:00 but without commentary it is difficult to know what’s going on sometimes. I’m trying this on the DS version so hopefully “diagonal throwing” doesn’t become mandatory later. Also the “Unit cap” is smaller so capturing monsters can get annoying sometimes. So far tho, this has been very helpful.
Gotta say the minimalist approach is amazing to see
Masterful exploitation of the reward system, you are a true demon. Also I had no idea you could throw diagonally, that bit of information would have saved me a lot of time when grinding.
You can only throw that way with a exploit. But I did forget that exploit was a thing
@@powerrangerblue8566 you just have to time it right as the cursor transitions over
@@logane1102 still a exploit. It wasn't intended.
this is a method i never would have gused he skipped painful hours of grinding and item world and floored him a true master peice
This playthrough rules, and I understand your reasoning for killing your own team members, heck I agree with it! But killing Etna... :(
Everyone gangster until the anime girl dies.
@@TheMike5125 😂😂😂
omg I really just watched this all XD Late to the game, played phantom brave as a kid, bought a while ago on steam on sale...
x2 speed and skipping around but took over an hour to watch, amazingggggg tech, that's a W right there
i didnt even know you could capture the mobs...
Been a thing in every game except 6
@@xbon1 you can't do it in 6?! That's not very poggers
@@treeman73272 the mechanic was grindy and felt terrible to use, plus, a lot of mechanics are kinda weird due to the level cap increases of 9999->9,999,999->99,999,999.
@@xbon1 it was necessary to grind in disgaea 5 to max out your stats, you captured monsters in bulk then got magic extract out of them, I really liked that you could do that to get stronger
@@xbon1 also Disgaea is a game all about grinding
And here we all were grinding statisticians and armsmasters, leveling out cosmic blades, etc 😅
Why is everyone complaining this is cheating? The fast forward stuff and lifting ability, that's already been in disgaea since in PSP and PS2
Btw
I just couldn't believe how smart it is to abuse the lifting and combining enemies system
I feel like DISGAEA games were made to be broken and played with. That is half the fun in my opinion.
@@TheMike5125 Yeah it's the "epitomy" of "carnage" and/or "chaos"?
This really helped, I just crushed all the super bosses with my Surt's and Dullahan's! It felt a little unfair. I might type up a comment for the PC version, basically it is the same except when he passes the "strongest enemies" bill. So with that I didn't need to max it out right away. For the first Nekomata or Dullahan I passed it a couple times then captured one at a similar level. Then I had to pass it a couple more times for the next one and so on. I did have to max it out to get the 9000+ Dullahan's though, then I captured a 3 of them, which really helped capture the Surt's!
Man I am speechless. Maybe I dont understand half of it but I learned a lot from this xD Like 58:17 I was like what is he doing he can do shit about it and after a while it hit me and I was like: Genius!
My jaw never dropped so fast.
Disgaea 2 pc speedrun would be awesome, dood!
I wish there was commentary explaining what is being done and why... maybe I'm just old cause I played this in like 2003-2004 and never got back on since joining the military in 04.
I've played a hundred hours on saves and didnt come close to a boss like that, must watch it full to learn some tricks
This in D4 would be terrifying
I did the same thing to rip through the guest bosses and get me through the item world until I got the Yoshitsuna.
Just got an overleveled Dullahan to do the work. Nostalgia.
I didnt remember Baal being so weak in this game his stats are way more ridiculous on 4 and 5 ... he doesnt even let u on the stage
5 is just absurd stats. Also his sprite takes up half the screen 😂
Awesome run dood!
consider redoing on ps4 remake? you can skip cutscenes and sword swings, and quitting during a battle or item world just undoes the battle (or having jumped into item world) rather than all the way back to the title screen.
awesome job tho. just finished playing it thru baal and prinny baal, and i took just a LITTLE longer, like 130 hours longer. :-P
I know this is an older video, but I just got into Disgaea.. why do you keep throwing the enemies into the base portal to kill all your guys early on?
If the sum of levels to your vassals in the portal are iqual o great than character you throw in the portal, you can chatch them, but not happend all time, if you failed, the portal break and all you vassals in the portal are defead
It is to get the rewards from the hospital faster. One of the reward criteria is reviving dead characters.
@@davidcole2913 ahh
I havent played in a while but during that one part at 1:11:30 I think you could have lift the golem then ran into the box then cancel to get into the box and still reset the lifting character. If you where planning to get into the box.
So can some explain how the hell some of those red mages and brawlers were suddenly lv 24 Around 46:00 mark? They didnt kill any enemies or nothing? How is it done and is it possible on disgaea pc?
Can someone explain that exploit where he throws to squares that are not directly in a straight line?
When you change throw direction, the target briefly moves along the diagonals on its way to the new direction, if you press A (or X on ps4) before it reaches the new direction, then the character will be thrown diagonally.
only OGs know this lul
"What's on the menu"? Primmies...
How does throwing opponents onto each other cause the bill to be approved in the dark assembly???
Some one answered this already but if you throw the enemies with a Red HP bar to the enemies with a Yellow HP bar you can combined them. Yellow bar enemies are neutral so you don't have to kill them. As long as all the enemies with Red HP bars are gone your bill will pass. I usually pull a neutral enemy close to my base and bate the red enemies before starting to combine them.
@@JuanHernandez-ug2ed Wow thanks for the tip, good explanation :)
Does strongest enemies bill only exist in disgaea complete?
Yes
Also I thought capturing was based on intelligence vs resistance the internet lied lol
me: 250 hours in the original game, laharl lvl 2500, still didnt get to Baal XDD
this was amazing
Was there a limitation on being able to move the cursor quickly? You could shave gime by changing the settings to make it move faster or by holding down the button that makes it move even faster than that.
Is there a guide anywhere for the steps
Wny are you killing your own dudes? do you even get Exp from them? or just for the weapon mastery?/Porque matas a tus compañeros? Dan Exp o solo por la maestria?
Its for hospital rewards one of the requirements is by reviving allies at the hospital for some of the rewards
goodjob dood
Nice speedrun dood!
what was the reason killing the prinny and etna at the beginning?
How did the mages get to level 24? Just from using spells? Unfortunately that's just for the Complete version.
Wondering the same
@@laharalal5960 maybe it was an accumulation of bonus exp from clearing stages?
im aware of healers only leveling up by using weapons and not spells in the original version but im not sure if that was the case for mages also
@@zedxcu it is, they don't gain exp by casting spells in the og
@@urmanascrewed Man I'm glad they fixed that in future titles
This is the whackest way to grind i’ve ever seen i mean yea why would you level your characters up when there are level 5000’s right there
Great run
a disgaea noob here, why are you killing your allies? for the bonuses of the hospital?
first for mana to recruit more allies. Then for Hospital bonuses. Then for more mana to collect the 1000 mana for "strongest enemies" bill.
21:32 why the enemy didn't attack?is that because Laharl use special attack?
Wondering the same thing
Enemies dont counter attack you in the first game if you use a special attack
@@garra123454 thank you for your help.
@@adibkun3204 if i recall correctly i think disgaea 5 was the first you could counter attack from being attacked by special attacks
Can you do D4 complete too?
Why he lift monster to base?
Tô capture it
I dont dare attempt to speed run a disgaea game im not brave enough for that
How many Brawlers and Mages did you have to make?
You’re pretty good
1:55:00
no jodas ahora nunca será lo mismo jugar disgaea jaja, hay varias cosas que no entiendo como no se me habían ocurrido, gracias!, algún truco que no funcione en la versión de psp? es la que estoy jugando actualmente ya que no tengo switch :(
yo tampoco sabia xd
why killing prinies in the start?
I'd assume its to gain weapon mastery and/or mana.
They can also be revived at the hospital for the rewards.
Why don’t the monsters fight back after you toss them around? I don’t get it.
You mean in the court? I think it was like this: When you want to get something to get approved in the court, there‘ll be monsters who‘ll be either pro (Yay) or con (Nay).
If the nay‘s outnumber the yay‘s, you‘ll get to use force on the court and you enter the fight. The pro‘s are neutral (theoretically on your side) but won‘t interfere in the fight and you’ll have to get rid of all the con monsters.
Here is the deal. Since the monsters judging are extremely strong and much higher level, you can’t really fight them. The trick is, you’ll have to “feed” the weaker con monsters to the stronger pro monster (by their current level).
Example:
Con Lvl 54 -> Pro Lvl 78 = Pro Lvl 132
That’s done by lifting and throwing the weaker con monster onto the stronger pro monster. And since the pro monsters are neutral, they won’t attack you. Once all con monsters gotten rid off, you win and the court gets approved :)
@@Memoli_Kara I think they meant after they're tossed into the base for a failed capture, because once the monster comes out, it doesn't fight back. An example of this is at @22:01
@@sourdoughfox I don't think that's what he meant though... Because that enemy isn't attacking at all even before throwing him into the base. I don't remember/know why though.
Might be because the enemy is out of SP
13:05
Don’t you do more damage when you chain more attacks up at once or is that only a mechanic of the later games?
Between the overkill use of brave hearts and not taking advantage of chaining attacks together, I feel like several minutes could be shaved off of this run.
Other than my minor critiques, this was pretty awesome. I remember spending well over 100 hours to get strong enough to kill Baal.
This is skill....
I call no life....
This would not be possible on ps2
I understand nothing. Will I be able to beat the story by playing it just like a regular rpg? Or do I need big brain strategies and lots of grinding?
If you grind enough, strategy not even required. How you grind is usually where the challenge is.
@@TheMike5125 Right! I actually beat the story myself last week! Your advice is definitely right though: It took quite a lot of grinding! 5-3 and 14-1 over and over and over!
@@thegreatestheroever4364 And post game cave of ordeals and demon hall mirror are the best grinding spots
Wow
How did you jump from level 11 to level 22 after ch 1?
I killed Mid-Boss after powering him to level 37. Since his a Boss monster he gives bonus Exp and Money. One of the most exploit mechanics in speed runs.
че за бред ?
привет.
по4ему у тебя игра так красиво выглядит ?
у меня есть обе для Плайсташан 2 и ПК(стим)... обе смотряца гавено. мягко говоря. ( что не выбери в настройках ПК версии)
This is a remake of the ps2 game that combines the ps2 psp amd ds versions of the game
You can't do that throw cheat on PC. At least I could not. Tried a bunch of times.
What do you mean you can't? Disgaea pc? I tried and it succeed like him btw i didn't know you can capture monster glad i watch this speedrun
That diagonal throw is not a cheat. It has been part of the game since it's release. It is a matter of changing the direction of the throw with the directional keys and hitting whatever enter button you are using as the the characters are changing direction
Yes you can.
Well totally skilled problem man like the comment below done and try it multi time to get mine hyperdrive asap. And i do it 2time so i can the 2nd hyperdrive
Wow, this looks tedious as fuck. I can't even imagine people doing it normally lol.
Disgaea series is one of best JRPG series of all time, if you can't imagine you don't like JRPGs. That said, 1 is clunkiest/worst gameplay mechanically, 5 or 7 would be better to kill Baal in and have fun
@@xbon1 is baal in the base game for 7?
Now that I have played this game a bit more. I can see you edited this. Heavily.....Their is a ton of activity missing. I do not believe you did this in the time stated.
Haven't played this version of the game but I have been playing disgaea since around 2005/2006. Seeing the optimization the creators have put in such as allowing attack animation to be turned off and the automatic movement of characters on the map is very nice. I am also curious as to what edits you are talking about. All I see is an optimized game with genius routing to one of the hardest enemies in the game
This guy is just salty cause it took him 200 hours to do what the guy in the video did in 3 and a half...
@@musicfriendly12 let's be real. We all are but we're still proud of this absolute god of disgaea
Well dude its possible man i kill baal within 4hr before too but that just luck. When you had no life enuf you can do it man. This is D1... Baal are just a pushover