As do I. I love traditional-geometry racing frames. I appreciate the future will be aero frames or some other gimmick to get younger buyers to reach into their wallets, but nothing as sweet-looking as a traditional geometry frame.
Love how you take a simple comparison and then show how you follow through the thought process we all have in our minds and follow them through. It's like you read our minds into the future!
I've owned about 20 top end bikes. Everything from Cervelo R5, S5 to S-Works SL6, SL7, Aethos to BMC Roadmachine to things I'm forgetting in between. It's 2021. I'm back on a 2017 Cannondale SuperSix Evo Hi-Mod Rim brake bike that I custom built. Amazing race geometry, handling, comfort, ride characteristics. Crazy lightweight frame (S-works Ultralight came out years after this one and weighs much, much more). But most importantly, I agree 100%. Only bike left that looks like a road bike. Traditional looks is the main reason I got attracted to Supersix after all the other bikes I've owned. Round tubes and a horizontal top tube
I currently own a CAAD12 disc and a Sworks Tarmac disc. The CAAD12 is an amazing bike, the ride is fairly compliant ( better than a low end carbon bike, my older Giant TCR 2, and Venge ) the only bumps that come through are the square edge bumps, other than that ride quality is a non issue, my CAAD has full aluminum bars and seat post. It is no comparison in ride to my Tarmac but a pleasant surprise is the feedback when cornering / descending fast, CAAD12 trumps every bike I have ever had or ridden in this area, gives maximum confidence...
I own a Caad 12 and it's the most comfortable bike I've ridden. The seatpost has been reduced in size to allow for flex. Personally, I've ridden the compact geometry frame particularly Giant TCR and this is head and shoulders above Giant in every aspect including performance and comfort!
I gave myself a 10k budget when I bought my last bike and ended up with a CAAD12 Black Inc. Edition. After 5,200 miles I'm still convinced that for the money, one cannot buy a better machine. The way it rails through corners and accelerates incredibly fast is simply amazing. The best I've ever ridden. This, after testing more expensive Cervelo's, The Supersix Evo, and Trek Madone's 9.5 should tell you something. If I could go back and change which bike I bought I wouldn't. With that said, I think the bike is more suited for shorter rides, say under a metric century. After 60ish miles I would like a different kind of bike with a more relaxed geometry. In the end though, it's up to each rider to decide what he/she wants.
I bought a CAAD 12 2019 version Ultegra rim-brake bike in 2019 or so. I have been very happy w/ it. It corners like it's on rails. It does have a slightly harsh ride, but since I bought Hed Ardennes that has quieted some of the harshness (the carbon seat-post also eliminates some road buzz). It's a very light bike at just under 17 lb.s. I feel like I stole it for under $1700 USD. It's nothing short of incredible.
I got news for you…if pros had a choice of any bike, there would a lot of pros that would choose the SuperSixEvo Hi-mod. Have been riding this bike for several years and it is fantastic! By the way, Cannondale has a whole line up of aero bikes!
I very much prefer the looks of the Cannondale because of its old school frame style. I hate these new compact frames where there is almost as much seat tube showing above the top tube as there is beneath it.
I tested a supersix evo, caad 12, TCR advanced and specialized tarmac before deciding on the supersix. The supersix is extremely comfortable yet still feels incredibly fast, i preferred the way it rode to any of the others. The caad 12 felt 99% as good as the supersix though and it was a close 2nd for me. The giant just didn't set me on fire, i'm sure it's just personal preference but i love my supersix. (for the record i preferred the Tarmac to the TCR, the only reason i considered the giant was value for money)
How can you say a bike is good or bad depending on amount of wins it got in the pro peleton? Sagan can win on any bike you throw at him, be it Cannondale or the specialized.. That's a kids logic, to think like that. Other than that, great review.
I know right smh... Hey this bike a here is great because their riders have talent errrrr I mean great bikes. Comment #2 hey your bike geometry is old fashion non-aero so its not really good hahahahah
I own a CAAD12 disc and I love the way it rides. I rode 1,700 miles down the Pacific Coast in July and I didn't run into an discomfort along the way. I've been on more comfortable bikes, but the CAAD12 gets the job done and then some.
I have the CAAD12 Ultegra 2017 (the one in this video) and it's a fantastic bike. I've ridden and owned a few bikes in my time from the likes of Trek, Spec, Giant, and Wilier, and always like the Cannondale more. At first I thought they looked old fashioned due to the traditional geometry but it definitely grows on you and if I could afford the Supersix EVO then believe me that would DEFINITELY be my next bike!! The only issue I've had with the CAAD12 was the internal cable routing. When I first purchased it - it sounded like a box of lose nails riding along the road! 😨 I took the bike back twice to Evans who first tightened the cables up and said it was due to the cables being too slack, but it still did it, so returned it again and they spoke to Cannondale who advised them to use some internal cable tubing (think it's by Specialized (they hold the Patent??) And once they used that I enjoyed my first silent bike ride and boy was it great!! 😀
If you can find the time please compare geometries and value of alloy racing bikes for such as CAAD12, Felt FR30, Specialized Allez Sprint, Fuji Roubaix, Trek Emonda ALR, Jamis Icon, Canyon ultimate AL SLX and others?
Hans Heintze I would love to hear more about the roubaix since my lbs stocks Fuji. Slick Biker said a while back to avoid it but most reviews I've heard are rave. It has asymmetrical chain stays though.
I have owned many Cannondales and love them. I have a CAAD12 and it is amazingly quick and responsive. It wants to go fast. It is also incredibly smooth, as smooth as my older SuperSix. Cannondale stays with the traditional frame style because they simply work well.
If it ain't broke don't fix it! Love my vintage Cannondale R400 just got a gift today. (06/22/23) the first 2012/2013 supersix evo hi-mod for $300 cash in excellent condition. Most cyclist are only interested in aesthetics. Sacrificing functionality for style. That's cool. But my supersix farm gate will smoke these riders like green grass over the fence. 😂😂😂
Cheers for the shoutout. I've got the CAAD10 at the moment, very comfortable ride, and I don't see the CAAD12 being much different - although I could be wrong. Interesting to see how much lower the Allez is, but I could replicate this stack through a stem change: 120mm with -12º or so. Not ridden a Supersix, sadly. Dream bike though. I do love a farm gate. Apparently weight-wise, they're also the same.
Pollex Cristi yeah interesting how the Allez Sprint is so low at the front end in it's stock form. Would be interesting to superimpose an image of a pro's setup vs a stock bike to compare the extreme angles and flexibility they need
I too have a CAAD10 (2015)and it's an amazing machine. It rides better than my former 2011 Felt F1 and my 2015 Specialized Venge bikes; Both of which were full carbon. I didn't believe it was even possible after riding the CAAD10, but the CAAD12 does feel more comfortable than the CAAD10 on rough roads. I think it's the 25.4 seat post. Regardless, you can feel the difference. I also have a Evo Hi-Mod and Giant TCR Advanced SL and The Evo is easily the best I have ridden. The CAAD12 rides just like the Evo. The 10 is close, but the 12 is spot on. I rode a CAAD12 for a day and I swear it felt like the Evo. Looks are always a matter of taste, but an EVO and CAAD would be hard to deny in the ride comfort department. Being on tupperware for so long, I'm glad I was open enough to try alloy again. Not convinced? Check this out:th-cam.com/video/XTCs_-OQlBU/w-d-xo.html
@@drool.images No worries, it was $105 for me. There is also this solution that should run absolutely dead silent. www.bbinfinite.com/products/pressfit30a-73mm-pf30a-road-bike-30mm-spindle
When you compared the caad with the tcr, where the 2 frames of same size? For example, Large for Large or etc? I understand the different geometry, just working out if the size charts are similar.
I own a nice Caad 12 Ultegra Disc, I put in some 50mm Caebon Wheels and Durace Disc Rotors, the bike is amazing handling and confortable, weight with Vector 3 power meter and SMP Saddle is 8kg. Climb amazing and is really stiff, I am a fan of my Caad12.
These guys at Cannondale make bikes that have great comfort, great road feel and great power transfer. I own the Supersix Evo and it's a joy to ride. I can recommend it to anyone who has a BS-meter sensitive to cooperate talk about aero gains and such. I cringe when I hear the look of the bike gets the first mention in a review.
Looks like Cannondale are testing an Aero bike - facebook.com/globalcyclingnetwork/posts/995034087318981 - really you dont consider how a bike looks before you buy it? I sure do. I would never buy a bike I didn't like to gaze lovingly at, maybe I'm a weirdo!!
Yeah I just saw today :-) Yes I take into consideration the look of the bike, I just think it's strange to focus on it as the first thing in the review. I think there is too much of that going around with hipsters on bikes, Rapha etc. What happened to riding and racing a bike because it feels great? And as it happens, I do like the look of the bike a lot. What I like about this brand is that you can buy the entry level supersix evo or the Caad12 at a ridiculously low price, and get a great bike which you can race on, on equal terms with much pricier bikes. I remember owning an Allez entry level, and it was the same geometry as the Tarmac model, but behaved like a bowl of spaghetti when you put power into it.
Fair comment Simon, totally see where your coming from - unfortunately I'm just a normal bloke with no more access to these bikes than anybody else, but found that my photoshop skills at comparing manufacturer photos were appreciated enough to keep me motivated to make more videos, which is great because I love bikes :) - but I don't really see my videos as anything more than a starting point for a discussion and people's opinions on whats good and bad.
No worries, I like your videos. And it is particularly interesting to see the minor details between these two bikes when you swap between the images. I guess it is easier to talk about looks when you operate with a visual media :-) I don't care much for the googly-eyed proteam with the full POC getup so I am not a fan per se, but I really find my own Supersix evo to be a superb marriage of all the qualities I look for in a bike. it's just hard to convey in youtube I guess
I own a CAAD 12 disc and its a good all around bike and I have ridden a super six. It is good stable bike with fun handling. The design(s) maybe dated but the it still works its fairly comfortable and if you flip the stem for - 7 deg (IIRC) it can have a fairly low front end. I found the flat mount rear brake is a pain to align correctly (business card trick works) and I had to upsize the rear rotor because of heat soak on a 140mm. Also I'm not a fan of the Mavic wheels but that is easy to change. That said it is still Al and there feels to be more just general road noise over most standard carbon bikes (high strung super high mod race bikes maybe the exception here). I know this is completely relative but a CAAD 12 disc Ult. with bottle cages, gps mount and small saddle bag with tube 2co2, inflator and levers = 8.62 kg. If I was in the market today and choose to stay in the cannonade family I would probably go super six.
I have a SuperSix fitted with Ultegra throughout and for me, it's the complete road racer - I'm sure the Caad12 will ride virtually the same. Fast, excellent cornering, compliant across rough roads and positive feedback at the front/back. Whether covering a quick 30 miler, or 75 miles plus, I personally find the ride at a decent level and have not needed to consider a replacement. Very much designed with traditional frame angles and perhaps this does not fit with everybody for looks - my advice is take a SuperSix out for a few miles and you'll find the ride/response far outweighs the authors views on looks.
A caad12 is still the best aluminium race bike I have ridden. I have ridden the Allez Sprint the Emonda Alr... Teammachine Alr. But a caad12 is the best handling and best riding and best climbing of them all. By far.
I disagree with your analysis. Cannondale get compliancy in the seat with low diameter seat pins. Also, you ask the question why buy the alu bike at 3500 vs the carbon one at the same price but the answer is obviously because you're getting the best components. In my opinion that caad 12 is as good a bike as any carbon bike until you're up at 10k.
I personally own a 2019 CAAD12 and I absolutely love the bike. I also own a Trek Emonda 2022 SL7 SRAM AXS. I lobe both bikes although the Emonda will be traded in and the CAAD will always be in the barn.. my forever bike..
I appreciated this video because I'm interested in the caad for sometime in the future. I grew up on chopper style bikes in the 70s and 80s and these kind of old school triangular frames were something to aspire to. So, yes, they probably are a bit old fashioned but maybe there's some retro appeal to that. In terms of actual performance, it really does look like a flexible rider would have an Aero advantage on the giant you showed. Seems at face value, the geometry of the cannondale is closer to the endurance end of the scale. For recreational riders with limited lower back flexibility this has its appeal. Your comparison of similarly priced ssevo with caad was helpful. One underlying assumption for consideration of the caad is that you should expect to get better components to make up for the cheaper production costs of an aluminium frame. Maybe that assumption isn't necessarily valid after all. When the time comes, I'll have to see what's out there. Thanks for the video.
I riede a super six and a specialized diverge. And I would prefer a cannonade anytime! Plan to do my next 200km ride on the supersix. It is really able to do anything! Great bike!
Cannondale are apparently working on a Aero bike mind you Aero bikes is just very good marketing minimal gains it’s funny that the bike industry hasn’t had the bikes properly tested by Aero engineers like from At least one of the five leading aeroplane manufactures in the world then I might believe all the hype there is a great article written by one of the leading aeronautical engineer for NASA debunking the Aero gains on bike frames but he said aero wheels do make a difference.
I own a SuperSix Ultegra 2016, loved it from the moment I test rode it. Had the opportunity to ride a brand new BMC SLR02 disc for a week. IMO the Cannondale SS is head and shoulders above the BMC in terms of handling and performance, just handles far more snappily and sharply. You can feel the power transfer through that Spider ring and it just wants to go fast! The BMC by comparison feels sluggish.... (appreciate the disc version I rode has a weight penalty). BMC prob marginally better at absorbing road buzz, but not much in it. Cannondale way cheaper in comparison too! Not ridden a TCR yet, would like to though, looks quick too!
I have ridden both the Cannondale super six evo (hi mod) and Giant TCR advanced both are indeed fantastic frames very competent in both sprinting and climbing especially. I found the Cannondale slightly more compliant in the rear and the TCR sharper in the front the Tcr has a twitchy front end that can sometimes feel a little un-predictable in uneven surfaces while cornering at speed however the Cannondale was more forgiving in that aspect. the rear end of the TCR was stiffer in terms of power transfer which also resulted in possibly a slightly better climbing or sprinting frame. I Love Cannondales I've had a few now but experiencing the TCR through a previous team sponsorship has opened me up to recommending them and at such a good price point they are hard to beat
If you compared the Giant TCR to the Cannondale Synapse you'd have a more realistic comparison. I have both the Synapse carbon and a CAAD 10. I love riding both, but do to their geometry, they are completely different bikes and the CAAD 10 has always "felt" faster to me. That said, they are both very comfortable.
Please do a comparison between Giant Propel SLR and Merida Reacto 400. Both of these are alloy aero bikes, i'm really struggling to choose between these 2. Edit: and also the JAVA Fuoco.
Victor Lee I am using 2016 Giant Propel Slr2 and my friend is using reacto 400 and he always complain about his bike. Brakes are not good at reacto. Also groupset is lower tier. If I have to choose again I would go for an used Propel. But carbon one with deep section wheels.
Those carbon propels are really out of my budget. The rear brake on the reacto I guess its really bad cause it's placed under the bottom bracket, but it looks super cool. Just wanted to know the difference in geometry between the propel slr and reacto 400
I also owned a caad12 105 from 2017 and its super comfi, only thing id like to change r the askium weels wich r pretty heavy and flexy, but I got it for 1000€ so I cant complain
+1 cannondale, I own both caad 8 and caad 10 they may look old fashioned but with new materials and technology these bikes rides awesome, lightweight, nimble, agile and compliant to road imperfections..i can compare it with a merida reacto which ive riden too, the merida has a harsh feel
I run a CAADX Apex 1 for work (courier what what!) and a Super Sexy, they both ride really nice and are very compliant. Living in Vancouver I'll be the first person to recommend a Super Six as a first "climbing" bike to someone. Oh and there's nothing sexier than old school geometry, what do you think makes the C64 so damn sexy?
The caadx apex 1 2017 ? I have this too . Looks amazing , Unfortunately the bloody internal cable rattle drives me crackers ! Real design fault or possibly a Monday morning bike . Also have a caad 12 which is a super responsive bike . The caadx I find very sluggish uphill in comparison but I guess it is a x bike
Jordan Graff yes love the old treks and they still ride great , my wife has a 1200 . Vancouver lucky you . Made it to Toronto. But next time Vancouver as I hear it’s much better !
I have a CAAD 10 Dura Ace model and I absolutely love it! It is a very lightweight bike which I have down to 16.5 lbs for a size 58 cm. I happen to also work for a shop that sells both Cannondale and Specialized. The Allez Sprint is the perfect crit bike and very stiff and affordable but is a bit heavier than the CAAD12 and no where near as comfortable. Personally I wouldnt want to ride more than 30 miles on the Allez Sprint frame. The CAAD on the other hand I can do 60-70 miles and still be comfortable. The CAAD is by far our best selling entry level bike. I think the CAAD rides better than the none high mod framed Cannondale and is quite a bit cheaper and is just a tad heavier and will usually recommend customers go with the CAAD with the nicer components than the none high mod Evo framed bike.
just bought a CAAD10, this is awsome to read!!!!! (haven't had a chance to ride it, there's 5inch of snow on the ground, but the deal was too good to pass)
The fact they haven't win a competition Doesn't mean their bike are bad, there are a bunch of other factors that affect their performance in competition such as budget to maintain a cycling team, the rider are not the Best and several others, their design might be old school but it's a proven geometry..
Those are actually two of my favorite bikes. I'm waiting for the Allez Sprint to be released in a disc version (should be out in 2-3 months) and I just bought a brand new 2018 SuperSix EVO Hi-MOD Disc Dura-Ace (www.imagebam.com/image/b51886920054554). I got a great deal too (40.8% off of list price)
I own a caad12 and also some other “much higher end” bikes ( Dogma 65.1, Colnago C60, Trek Madonne) and the value for money is CAAD12 all the way. Fun factor is just as good
i have an old supersix (maybe 2012, not a evo), I found it comfortable to ride although the geometry look stiff, I think Cannondale add somethings on the seatstay (SAVE) to add comfort.... I am comparing to my ride feeling with Cervelo S5, total subjective thou..... Just a side note, maybe you can do a evo and non-evo comparison..... thanks for your video......
Giant tcr sl has 148 mm headtube-cannondale caad 12 has 139 mm in size M or 54. So,actualy,it’s smaller than giant’s. You can’t compare like that visualy-visualy you can say just that one is compact frame and the other one is traditional. I like cannondale more-i ride caad 10 black inc.sram red hydro disc and that is awesome bike. It rides very smooth and weight 7.2 kg without pedals. Cannondale get compliance from skinny seatstay and nowadays with 25,4 seatpost.
Hello Jura, thanks for your comment - I don't mention headtube length, my interest is how low out of the wind you can get on each bike as this directly effects your speed - both bikes have 700c wheels and thats what I line up visually. Correct I can't be sure what frame size they photograph, but my assumption is that most manufacturers will photograph a medium or equivalent-ish. The TCR size M has a lower stack height than the Cannondale's 54 or 56. Im pretty confident that across the size range you will be able to get lower at the front on the TCR than the Super6 or CAAD12, without a neg stem.
Perhaps you should arrange a ride on both the Super Six Evo and the CAAD 12 so you can form a real opinion about how the bikes ride - positive or negative. I have an old CAAD 7 from the days when big Mario was winning many stages in many races, it still goes like the wind. The fact that Cannondale didn't win any races for 2 years is probably more to do with the riders in the team than the bikes they are riding. Bottom line - Chris Froome would have won the TDF on any of the top brand bikes, obviouly with his awesome team around him.
cyclonutter D the manufacturers would never let us know during a season. If pro's could choose a bike based on it's feel I wonder what they would all go for
The quality of the riders in a team is in direct relation to how much money is flowing through the organisation, unless they get lucky with a newbie - more money also equates to better gear and more aero testing, which equates to more results across a season. Could Froome win the TDF on a Cannondale....nope, they don't have enough money.
Bikotic, you obviously didn't understand what I said and you can't blame the bike, all top end bikes are good enough to win under the best rider with the best team around him. What I said is - if you took the best of team Sky or the Sky team that won the TDF and the only difference was the top end bike they rode - Chris Froome would still win. I understand the money and the politics etc etc play a massive role, but as mentioned: top end bike against top end bike, there is just not enough of a difference..
"a little too old fashioned." LOL That's why people love these bikes. I love the aesthetics of cannondale bikes, but hate the BB30 standard - That's why I dont buy cannondale.
The fact they haven't win a competition Doesn't mean their bike are bad, there are a bunch of other factors that affect their performance in competition such as budget to maintain a cycling team, the rider are not the Best and several others, their design might be old school but it's a proven geometry..
I personally love the look of the cannondale
As do I. I love traditional-geometry racing frames. I appreciate the future will be aero frames or some other gimmick to get younger buyers to reach into their wallets, but nothing as sweet-looking as a traditional geometry frame.
Love how you take a simple comparison and then show how you follow through the thought process we all have in our minds and follow them through. It's like you read our minds into the future!
cannondale???...probably the best bike on the peloton...
Ps*probably the only bike that look like a road-bike...
...the rest is just marketing
Sergio Luongo agreed
Amen another A+ comment. Hey my ultra aero whatever saves me 0.23 watts going 39mph and that's great for downhill rides lol.
True.
Agreed, although all vendors have their flaws/gimmicks. Lefty fork anyone?
I've owned about 20 top end bikes. Everything from Cervelo R5, S5 to S-Works SL6, SL7, Aethos to BMC Roadmachine to things I'm forgetting in between. It's 2021. I'm back on a 2017 Cannondale SuperSix Evo Hi-Mod Rim brake bike that I custom built. Amazing race geometry, handling, comfort, ride characteristics. Crazy lightweight frame (S-works Ultralight came out years after this one and weighs much, much more).
But most importantly, I agree 100%. Only bike left that looks like a road bike. Traditional looks is the main reason I got attracted to Supersix after all the other bikes I've owned. Round tubes and a horizontal top tube
I currently own a CAAD12 disc and a Sworks Tarmac disc. The CAAD12 is an amazing bike, the ride is fairly compliant ( better than a low end carbon bike, my older Giant TCR 2, and Venge ) the only bumps that come through are the square edge bumps, other than that ride quality is a non issue, my CAAD has full aluminum bars and seat post. It is no comparison in ride to my Tarmac but a pleasant surprise is the feedback when cornering / descending fast, CAAD12 trumps every bike I have ever had or ridden in this area, gives maximum confidence...
I own a Caad 12 and it's the most comfortable bike I've ridden. The seatpost has been reduced in size to allow for flex. Personally, I've ridden the compact geometry frame particularly Giant TCR and this is head and shoulders above Giant in every aspect including performance and comfort!
I gave myself a 10k budget when I bought my last bike and ended up with a CAAD12 Black Inc. Edition. After 5,200 miles I'm still convinced that for the money, one cannot buy a better machine. The way it rails through corners and accelerates incredibly fast is simply amazing. The best I've ever ridden. This, after testing more expensive Cervelo's, The Supersix Evo, and Trek Madone's 9.5 should tell you something. If I could go back and change which bike I bought I wouldn't. With that said, I think the bike is more suited for shorter rides, say under a metric century. After 60ish miles I would like a different kind of bike with a more relaxed geometry. In the end though, it's up to each rider to decide what he/she wants.
I'm in FL also. I 100% agree with your sentiments about the CAAD12. Best bike frame i've ever ridden. The original SystemSix (circa 2007) comes close.
I bought a CAAD 12 2019 version Ultegra rim-brake bike in 2019 or so. I have been very happy w/ it. It corners like it's on rails. It does have a slightly harsh ride, but since I bought Hed Ardennes that has quieted some of the harshness (the carbon seat-post also eliminates some road buzz). It's a very light bike at just under 17 lb.s. I feel like I stole it for under $1700 USD. It's nothing short of incredible.
I got news for you…if pros had a choice of any bike, there would a lot of pros that would choose the SuperSixEvo Hi-mod. Have been riding this bike for several years and it is fantastic! By the way, Cannondale has a whole line up of aero bikes!
I very much prefer the looks of the Cannondale because of its old school frame style. I hate these new compact frames where there is almost as much seat tube showing above the top tube as there is beneath it.
I tested a supersix evo, caad 12, TCR advanced and specialized tarmac before deciding on the supersix. The supersix is extremely comfortable yet still feels incredibly fast, i preferred the way it rode to any of the others. The caad 12 felt 99% as good as the supersix though and it was a close 2nd for me. The giant just didn't set me on fire, i'm sure it's just personal preference but i love my supersix. (for the record i preferred the Tarmac to the TCR, the only reason i considered the giant was value for money)
How can you say a bike is good or bad depending on amount of wins it got in the pro peleton?
Sagan can win on any bike you throw at him, be it Cannondale or the specialized..
That's a kids logic, to think like that.
Other than that, great review.
I know right smh... Hey this bike a here is great because their riders have talent errrrr I mean great bikes.
Comment #2 hey your bike geometry is old fashion non-aero so its not really good hahahahah
I own a CAAD12 disc and I love the way it rides. I rode 1,700 miles down the Pacific Coast in July and I didn't run into an discomfort along the way. I've been on more comfortable bikes, but the CAAD12 gets the job done and then some.
I've 2016 caad12 Ultegra model absolutely love it cant fault it in anyway
I have the CAAD12 Ultegra 2017 (the one in this video) and it's a fantastic bike. I've ridden and owned a few bikes in my time from the likes of Trek, Spec, Giant, and Wilier, and always like the Cannondale more. At first I thought they looked old fashioned due to the traditional geometry but it definitely grows on you and if I could afford the Supersix EVO then believe me that would DEFINITELY be my next bike!! The only issue I've had with the CAAD12 was the internal cable routing. When I first purchased it - it sounded like a box of lose nails riding along the road! 😨 I took the bike back twice to Evans who first tightened the cables up and said it was due to the cables being too slack, but it still did it, so returned it again and they spoke to Cannondale who advised them to use some internal cable tubing (think it's by Specialized (they hold the Patent??) And once they used that I enjoyed my first silent bike ride and boy was it great!! 😀
I own a CAAD12 and its the most comfortable bike I’ve ever ridden
If you can find the time please compare geometries and value of alloy racing bikes for such as CAAD12, Felt FR30, Specialized Allez Sprint, Fuji Roubaix, Trek Emonda ALR, Jamis Icon, Canyon ultimate AL SLX and others?
Hans Heintze I would love to hear more about the roubaix since my lbs stocks Fuji. Slick Biker said a while back to avoid it but most reviews I've heard are rave. It has asymmetrical chain stays though.
I have owned many Cannondales and love them. I have a CAAD12 and it is amazingly quick and responsive. It wants to go fast. It is also incredibly smooth, as smooth as my older SuperSix. Cannondale stays with the traditional frame style because they simply work well.
If it ain't broke don't fix it! Love my vintage Cannondale R400 just got a gift today. (06/22/23) the first 2012/2013 supersix evo hi-mod for $300 cash in excellent condition. Most cyclist are only interested in aesthetics. Sacrificing functionality for style. That's cool. But my supersix farm gate will smoke these riders like green grass over the fence. 😂😂😂
Cheers for the shoutout. I've got the CAAD10 at the moment, very comfortable ride, and I don't see the CAAD12 being much different - although I could be wrong. Interesting to see how much lower the Allez is, but I could replicate this stack through a stem change: 120mm with -12º or so. Not ridden a Supersix, sadly. Dream bike though. I do love a farm gate.
Apparently weight-wise, they're also the same.
Pollex Cristi yeah interesting how the Allez Sprint is so low at the front end in it's stock form. Would be interesting to superimpose an image of a pro's setup vs a stock bike to compare the extreme angles and flexibility they need
I too have a CAAD10 (2015)and it's an amazing machine. It rides better than my former 2011 Felt F1 and my 2015 Specialized Venge bikes; Both of which were full carbon. I didn't believe it was even possible after riding the CAAD10, but the CAAD12 does feel more comfortable than the CAAD10 on rough roads. I think it's the 25.4 seat post. Regardless, you can feel the difference. I also have a Evo Hi-Mod and Giant TCR Advanced SL and The Evo is easily the best I have ridden. The CAAD12 rides just like the Evo. The 10 is close, but the 12 is spot on. I rode a CAAD12 for a day and I swear it felt like the Evo. Looks are always a matter of taste, but an EVO and CAAD would be hard to deny in the ride comfort department. Being on tupperware for so long, I'm glad I was open enough to try alloy again. Not convinced? Check this out:th-cam.com/video/XTCs_-OQlBU/w-d-xo.html
I have a cannondale 2016 caad12. Its a fantastic bike! Very stiff at the bottom bracket but with good compliance at the seat stays and carbon fork.
Cycling Enthusiast does the bike creak?
@@drool.images mine did. I had a C Bear BB installed. Problem solved and it's smooth!
jaebiz thanks for the reply man. How much is that bearing, if you dont mind me asking.
@@drool.images No worries, it was $105 for me. There is also this solution that should run absolutely dead silent. www.bbinfinite.com/products/pressfit30a-73mm-pf30a-road-bike-30mm-spindle
@@jaebiz I second the BBInfinite. Pricey, but dead quiet.
When you compared the caad with the tcr, where the 2 frames of same size? For example, Large for Large or etc? I understand the different geometry, just working out if the size charts are similar.
I own a nice Caad 12 Ultegra Disc, I put in some 50mm Caebon Wheels and Durace Disc Rotors, the bike is amazing handling and confortable, weight with Vector 3 power meter and SMP Saddle is 8kg. Climb amazing and is really stiff, I am a fan of my Caad12.
These guys at Cannondale make bikes that have great comfort, great road feel and great power transfer. I own the Supersix Evo and it's a joy to ride. I can recommend it to anyone who has a BS-meter sensitive to cooperate talk about aero gains and such. I cringe when I hear the look of the bike gets the first mention in a review.
Looks like Cannondale are testing an Aero bike - facebook.com/globalcyclingnetwork/posts/995034087318981 - really you dont consider how a bike looks before you buy it? I sure do. I would never buy a bike I didn't like to gaze lovingly at, maybe I'm a weirdo!!
Yeah I just saw today :-) Yes I take into consideration the look of the bike, I just think it's strange to focus on it as the first thing in the review. I think there is too much of that going around with hipsters on bikes, Rapha etc. What happened to riding and racing a bike because it feels great? And as it happens, I do like the look of the bike a lot.
What I like about this brand is that you can buy the entry level supersix evo or the Caad12 at a ridiculously low price, and get a great bike which you can race on, on equal terms with much pricier bikes. I remember owning an Allez entry level, and it was the same geometry as the Tarmac model, but behaved like a bowl of spaghetti when you put power into it.
Fair comment Simon, totally see where your coming from - unfortunately I'm just a normal bloke with no more access to these bikes than anybody else, but found that my photoshop skills at comparing manufacturer photos were appreciated enough to keep me motivated to make more videos, which is great because I love bikes :) - but I don't really see my videos as anything more than a starting point for a discussion and people's opinions on whats good and bad.
No worries, I like your videos. And it is particularly interesting to see the minor details between these two bikes when you swap between the images. I guess it is easier to talk about looks when you operate with a visual media :-)
I don't care much for the googly-eyed proteam with the full POC getup so I am not a fan per se, but I really find my own Supersix evo to be a superb marriage of all the qualities I look for in a bike. it's just hard to convey in youtube I guess
I own a CAAD 12 disc and its a good all around bike and I have ridden a super six. It is good stable bike with fun handling. The design(s) maybe dated but the it still works its fairly comfortable and if you flip the stem for - 7 deg (IIRC) it can have a fairly low front end. I found the flat mount rear brake is a pain to align correctly (business card trick works) and I had to upsize the rear rotor because of heat soak on a 140mm. Also I'm not a fan of the Mavic wheels but that is easy to change. That said it is still Al and there feels to be more just general road noise over most standard carbon bikes (high strung super high mod race bikes maybe the exception here). I know this is completely relative but a CAAD 12 disc Ult. with bottle cages, gps mount and small saddle bag with tube 2co2, inflator and levers = 8.62 kg.
If I was in the market today and choose to stay in the cannonade family I would probably go super six.
I have a SuperSix fitted with Ultegra throughout and for me, it's the complete road racer - I'm sure the Caad12 will ride virtually the same. Fast, excellent cornering, compliant across rough roads and positive feedback at the front/back. Whether covering a quick 30 miler, or 75 miles plus, I personally find the ride at a decent level and have not needed to consider a replacement. Very much designed with traditional frame angles and perhaps this does not fit with everybody for looks - my advice is take a SuperSix out for a few miles and you'll find the ride/response far outweighs the authors views on looks.
A caad12 is still the best aluminium race bike I have ridden. I have ridden the Allez Sprint the Emonda Alr... Teammachine Alr. But a caad12 is the best handling and best riding and best climbing of them all. By far.
I disagree with your analysis. Cannondale get compliancy in the seat with low diameter seat pins. Also, you ask the question why buy the alu bike at 3500 vs the carbon one at the same price but the answer is obviously because you're getting the best components. In my opinion that caad 12 is as good a bike as any carbon bike until you're up at 10k.
Qu'en pensez vous de cannondale supersix vs caad?
I personally own a 2019 CAAD12 and I absolutely love the bike. I also own a Trek Emonda 2022 SL7 SRAM AXS. I lobe both bikes although the Emonda will be traded in and the CAAD will always be in the barn.. my forever bike..
I appreciated this video because I'm interested in the caad for sometime in the future. I grew up on chopper style bikes in the 70s and 80s and these kind of old school triangular frames were something to aspire to. So, yes, they probably are a bit old fashioned but maybe there's some retro appeal to that. In terms of actual performance, it really does look like a flexible rider would have an Aero advantage on the giant you showed. Seems at face value, the geometry of the cannondale is closer to the endurance end of the scale. For recreational riders with limited lower back flexibility this has its appeal. Your comparison of similarly priced ssevo with caad was helpful. One underlying assumption for consideration of the caad is that you should expect to get better components to make up for the cheaper production costs of an aluminium frame. Maybe that assumption isn't necessarily valid after all. When the time comes, I'll have to see what's out there. Thanks for the video.
I riede a super six and a specialized diverge. And I would prefer a cannonade anytime! Plan to do my next 200km ride on the supersix. It is really able to do anything! Great bike!
Cannondale are apparently working on a Aero bike mind you Aero bikes is just very good marketing minimal gains it’s funny that the bike industry hasn’t had the bikes properly tested by Aero engineers like from At least one of the five leading aeroplane manufactures in the world then I might believe all the hype there is a great article written by one of the leading aeronautical engineer for NASA debunking the Aero gains on bike frames but he said aero wheels do make a difference.
I own a SuperSix Ultegra 2016, loved it from the moment I test rode it. Had the opportunity to ride a brand new BMC SLR02 disc for a week. IMO the Cannondale SS is head and shoulders above the BMC in terms of handling and performance, just handles far more snappily and sharply. You can feel the power transfer through that Spider ring and it just wants to go fast! The BMC by comparison feels sluggish.... (appreciate the disc version I rode has a weight penalty). BMC prob marginally better at absorbing road buzz, but not much in it. Cannondale way cheaper in comparison too! Not ridden a TCR yet, would like to though, looks quick too!
I have ridden both the Cannondale super six evo (hi mod) and Giant TCR advanced both are indeed fantastic frames very competent in both sprinting and climbing especially. I found the Cannondale slightly more compliant in the rear and the TCR sharper in the front the Tcr has a twitchy front end that can sometimes feel a little un-predictable in uneven surfaces while cornering at speed however the Cannondale was more forgiving in that aspect. the rear end of the TCR was stiffer in terms of power transfer which also resulted in possibly a slightly better climbing or sprinting frame. I Love Cannondales I've had a few now but experiencing the TCR through a previous team sponsorship has opened me up to recommending them and at such a good price point they are hard to beat
What was the weight comparison between the caad and super six ?
peebee1357 frame is about a pound heavier on the caad than the hi mod evo
If you compared the Giant TCR to the Cannondale Synapse you'd have a more realistic comparison. I have both the Synapse carbon and a CAAD 10. I love riding both, but do to their geometry, they are completely different bikes and the CAAD 10 has always "felt" faster to me. That said, they are both very comfortable.
Please do a comparison between Giant Propel SLR and Merida Reacto 400. Both of these are alloy aero bikes, i'm really struggling to choose between these 2. Edit: and also the JAVA Fuoco.
Victor Lee I am using 2016 Giant Propel Slr2 and my friend is using reacto 400 and he always complain about his bike. Brakes are not good at reacto. Also groupset is lower tier. If I have to choose again I would go for an used Propel. But carbon one with deep section wheels.
Those carbon propels are really out of my budget. The rear brake on the reacto I guess its really bad cause it's placed under the bottom bracket, but it looks super cool. Just wanted to know the difference in geometry between the propel slr and reacto 400
Victor Lee I rode 400 few times and it felt hars. Also didnt like the handlebar but its up to you. If you have a chance to ride them try it out.
I also owned a caad12 105 from 2017 and its super comfi, only thing id like to change r the askium weels wich r pretty heavy and flexy, but I got it for 1000€ so I cant complain
Same here. Ordered campa zonda now
Can't wait to check out the difference
@@SebastianBeyer how did the Zonda change your CAAD12 experience? I was thinking of the same setup.
I'm considering a Caad12 ultegra disc or a Boardman Endurance Elite 9.0. Any chance of a comparison
Nice one
I have ridden a 2015 supersix non himod and found the rear bounches and (seatstays?) to flex by a far bit making it slightly less responsive
+1 cannondale, I own both caad 8 and caad 10 they may look old fashioned but with new materials and technology these bikes rides awesome, lightweight, nimble, agile and compliant to road imperfections..i can compare it with a merida reacto which ive riden too, the merida has a harsh feel
I run a CAADX Apex 1 for work (courier what what!) and a Super Sexy, they both ride really nice and are very compliant. Living in Vancouver I'll be the first person to recommend a Super Six as a first "climbing" bike to someone. Oh and there's nothing sexier than old school geometry, what do you think makes the C64 so damn sexy?
The caadx apex 1 2017 ? I have this too . Looks amazing , Unfortunately the bloody internal cable rattle drives me crackers ! Real design fault or possibly a Monday morning bike .
Also have a caad 12 which is a super responsive bike . The caadx I find very sluggish uphill in comparison but I guess it is a x bike
Rocky I live in Vancouver and ride all day downtown lol. I don't actually even know if it rattles lol it's always busy out there
Rocky not to mention my usual go to for normal riding is my 2007 Trek SLR1600 lol. I love that old girl
Jordan Graff yes love the old treks and they still ride great , my wife has a 1200 . Vancouver lucky you . Made it to Toronto. But next time Vancouver as I hear it’s much better !
Rocky IDK about better but definitely more interesting and nicer viewpoints for Instagram photos on the bike hahaha
I got both, love em both
I have a CAAD 10 Dura Ace model and I absolutely love it! It is a very lightweight bike which I have down to 16.5 lbs for a size 58 cm. I happen to also work for a shop that sells both Cannondale and Specialized. The Allez Sprint is the perfect crit bike and very stiff and affordable but is a bit heavier than the CAAD12 and no where near as comfortable. Personally I wouldnt want to ride more than 30 miles on the Allez Sprint frame. The CAAD on the other hand I can do 60-70 miles and still be comfortable. The CAAD is by far our best selling entry level bike. I think the CAAD rides better than the none high mod framed Cannondale and is quite a bit cheaper and is just a tad heavier and will usually recommend customers go with the CAAD with the nicer components than the none high mod Evo framed bike.
just bought a CAAD10, this is awsome to read!!!!! (haven't had a chance to ride it, there's 5inch of snow on the ground, but the deal was too good to pass)
Cannondale 100% Hands Down !!
The fact they haven't win a competition Doesn't mean their bike are bad, there are a bunch of other factors that affect their performance in competition such as budget to maintain a cycling team, the rider are not the Best and several others, their design might be old school but it's a proven geometry..
Those are actually two of my favorite bikes. I'm waiting for the Allez Sprint to be released in a disc version (should be out in 2-3 months) and I just bought a brand new 2018 SuperSix EVO Hi-MOD Disc Dura-Ace (www.imagebam.com/image/b51886920054554). I got a great deal too (40.8% off of list price)
BMC never had an aero bike. nor did Pinarello. Cannondale doed have one since 2018. It was first seen in the Dubai Tour
I own a caad12 and also some other “much higher end” bikes ( Dogma 65.1, Colnago C60, Trek Madonne) and the value for money is CAAD12 all the way. Fun factor is just as good
i have an old supersix (maybe 2012, not a evo), I found it comfortable to ride although the geometry look stiff, I think Cannondale add somethings on the seatstay (SAVE) to add comfort.... I am comparing to my ride feeling with Cervelo S5, total subjective thou.....
Just a side note, maybe you can do a evo and non-evo comparison..... thanks for your video......
They do have aero frame but in TT bike.
Giant tcr sl has 148 mm headtube-cannondale caad 12 has 139 mm in size M or 54.
So,actualy,it’s smaller than giant’s.
You can’t compare like that visualy-visualy you can say just that one is compact frame and the other one is traditional.
I like cannondale more-i ride caad 10 black inc.sram red hydro disc and that is awesome bike.
It rides very smooth and weight 7.2 kg without pedals.
Cannondale get compliance from skinny seatstay and nowadays with 25,4 seatpost.
Hello Jura, thanks for your comment - I don't mention headtube length, my interest is how low out of the wind you can get on each bike as this directly effects your speed - both bikes have 700c wheels and thats what I line up visually. Correct I can't be sure what frame size they photograph, but my assumption is that most manufacturers will photograph a medium or equivalent-ish. The TCR size M has a lower stack height than the Cannondale's 54 or 56. Im pretty confident that across the size range you will be able to get lower at the front on the TCR than the Super6 or CAAD12, without a neg stem.
Perhaps you should arrange a ride on both the Super Six Evo and the CAAD 12 so you can form a real opinion about how the bikes ride - positive or negative. I have an old CAAD 7 from the days when big Mario was winning many stages in many races, it still goes like the wind. The fact that Cannondale didn't win any races for 2 years is probably more to do with the riders in the team than the bikes they are riding. Bottom line - Chris Froome would have won the TDF on any of the top brand bikes, obviouly with his awesome team around him.
cyclonutter D the manufacturers would never let us know during a season. If pro's could choose a bike based on it's feel I wonder what they would all go for
Totaly agree-put the blame on bikes is total joke.
The quality of the riders in a team is in direct relation to how much money is flowing through the organisation, unless they get lucky with a newbie - more money also equates to better gear and more aero testing, which equates to more results across a season. Could Froome win the TDF on a Cannondale....nope, they don't have enough money.
Bikotic, you obviously didn't understand what I said and you can't blame the bike, all top end bikes are good enough to win under the best rider with the best team around him. What I said is - if you took the best of team Sky or the Sky team that won the TDF and the only difference was the top end bike they rode - Chris Froome would still win. I understand the money and the politics etc etc play a massive role, but as mentioned: top end bike against top end bike, there is just not enough of a difference..
haha, mermaids are real. Thanks for your comment cyclonutter, I actively make this channel for good kind-hearted opinion and debate.
bro who told you cannondale has not an aero bike? system six has been there for years
ha, forgot about this video, I was a bit harsh - This video was made Feb 2018, the SystemSix was released (I think) July 2018
"a little too old fashioned." LOL
That's why people love these bikes. I love the aesthetics of cannondale bikes, but hate the BB30 standard - That's why I dont buy cannondale.
Its intriguing that people dump thousands of dollars in cycling just to 'look' fast. Only to get dropped in a race. Lol, looks good though.
They have the SystemSix
0:30 fair statemet lol. Man by this you discredit yourself as someone serious.
Cannondale desperately need an aero frame.
Bobs UrUncle They just made one and they clearly need more time..
The fact they haven't win a competition Doesn't mean their bike are bad, there are a bunch of other factors that affect their performance in competition such as budget to maintain a cycling team, the rider are not the Best and several others, their design might be old school but it's a proven geometry..