Raising and lowering the mast of a PY23 Paceship using a custom made ginpole setup. This makes it a reasonable one person job and an easy two-person job.
Very nice tutorial on this , never stop learning , so many types of riggings etc and how they travel depending on boat types etc , everything is easy when you know how . 👍
Thanks for the video! It's the best one I've seen yet demonstrating how this system works. Good to have your clear commentary along with the video. I had the same questions about the gin pole and whether you purchased or made it. Got any videos demonstrating how you made the gin pole and other parts of the system?
I use New England stay set for my stabilizer lines. The trick with the stabilizer lines is to get the base of your stabilizer line in the same position as the pivot point on the mast. By doing this it maintains tension on the stabilizing lines that is consistent when the mast is going up and down. If you fasten your stabilizing lines anywhere other than a position in line with and at the same elevation as the mast pivot point will result in lines that will loosen or tighten during raising.
Thanks for this video, Joe! I have a Hunter 23 and have a similar mast stepping system without the stabilizer lines. Consequently, I need a friend to assist with keeping the mast stable as I raise it. I would like to implement stabilizer lines as you have done. It looks like each side has a base line attached to the stanchion bases with some type of loop in the center to attach the baby stay. My guess is, the base line needs enough slack so that when if forms a triangle, its peak (with the loop connecting the baby stay) is at the same height as the mast base (or tabernacle). Does my description make sense and is this correct? Can you elaborate more on this stabilizer set up (the loop/attachment, etc)? Thanks again!
I have a 6m mast which takes 2 to lift it - this is a really good idea - I wondered what the extra pole was for - we have a 18' micro challenger - thank yo Joe
I am a beginning sailor. Camera is too far away to see details hidden by the man's knees as to how the bottom of the mast is shaped and how it fits into the base and attached. Need to see these little details!
Hi There. Thanks you for posting this very informative video. I am using a similar gin pole system with a boat trailer winch instead of the 5:1 pully. What I am interested in is adding the stabiliser lines and I have a couple of questions. 1) do you use Spectra or would a braid with a bit of stretch be better? 2) when lowering the mast should the stabiliser lines be left loose as they will tighten up as the mast lowers? Thanks again, Peter
Hi Joe, I have a PY 23 Paceship. Wonder if you could provide more detail on your mast roller system that seems to fit over the rudder. Also, It seems you have a bent U plate with holes on each end at the base of your gin pole to fit the forward pin at the base of the mast. Did you custom weld this piece to your gin pole? What do you have at the top of the gin pole for hardware to attach the block and tackle hook and your halyard? Finally, when lowering the mast you will need to remove the forward pin at the base of the mast and then attach the gin pole to the base of the mast. It seems you would need to slightly push the mast aft in order to attach the gin pole. I suppose if you had someone bracing the back of the mast when you connected the gin pole that this could work but it seems like a risky proposition. I say this because I have a piece of 2 inch aluminum pipe and if I were to weld the bent U plate to the base of the gin pole, I am not sure if I would have enough room to attach it without tilting the mast slightly aft.
Thanks for this video! I just bought a 1979 PY23 and have been sweating the stepping process (after one tough raise in the driveway with anotehr adult to test it all out) and so your video makes it seem so doable. Is the gin pole a fabricated item or ssomthing to buy?
Good Job - I have been watching different systems and I like yours best. Specially using an aluminum pole instead of wood! I just got an older Catalina 22 recently. Would you have list of parts, dimensions and sourcing? I will like to build similar. Thank you.
Go to Home Depot, always try to purchase high volume construction items because they're the least expensive. Don't buy specific parts, they are very expensive but make your own, that's half the fun. Buy a drill, jig saw, metal cutting blades, a vice, hack saw, hammer, and make your own metal parts. I will probably be using a 1 1/2" diam. electrical conduit, they're cheap and functional. They are galvanized metal, but the gin pole will not be on the boat when sailing, so I don't care if it is metal as opposed to expensive aluminum. You can also use a 2x4, nothing wrong with that. After a while, you'll might end up like me...I actually get more pleasure working on my boat making stuff than sailing her. Good luck.
I also purchased a sailboat , O'day 22 and want to try this elegant Step System . What i couldn't make out is the base of the pole to the mast clamp . Is this a custom clamp or is it a chain link modified clamp ?
I tried to do this. it was a colossal failure destroyed my mast. Joe if you read this I'd like to talk with you, and try to figure out where i went wrong.
This mast weighs around 100 lbs, and I designed and built this system for a customer who wanted to be able to lift the mast without help. I've used similar systems on some taller masts (40') but that's about it.
Hi Joe can you please send me some photos of the gin pole including the blocks on each end, the fittings that connect to the mast and the fittings that connect to the prow? Best wishes Pete
A 30' mast weighing 100 lb mast requires a 200 lift at about 7' from the mast step, which is where one would probably need to be if the cabin height is much higher than the cockpit height. It's pretty tough for most people to manage. Most owners of sailboats 23' and up do not trailer sail their boats but rather set them up in a marina for the season because standing the mast is a significant task.
Truly appreciate the visual tutorial. We have a 1981 PY23 about ready to mass step for the first time.
Very nice tutorial on this , never stop learning , so many types of riggings etc and how they travel depending on boat types etc , everything is easy when you know how . 👍
Hi, Joe! I need this system. Just happened to notice you produced it! We sail an A23 Aquarius. Nice work
Thanks for the video! It's the best one I've seen yet demonstrating how this system works. Good to have your clear commentary along with the video. I had the same questions about the gin pole and whether you purchased or made it. Got any videos demonstrating how you made the gin pole and other parts of the system?
that is genius on the gin line deck line.
Very beautiful boat.
thanks for the video.... much appreciated!
I use New England stay set for my stabilizer lines. The trick with the stabilizer lines is to get the base of your stabilizer line in the same position as the pivot point on the mast. By doing this it maintains tension on the stabilizing lines that is consistent when the mast is going up and down. If you fasten your stabilizing lines anywhere other than a position in line with and at the same elevation as the mast pivot point will result in lines that will loosen or tighten during raising.
Thanks for this video, Joe! I have a Hunter 23 and have a similar mast stepping system without the stabilizer lines. Consequently, I need a friend to assist with keeping the mast stable as I raise it. I would like to implement stabilizer lines as you have done. It looks like each side has a base line attached to the stanchion bases with some type of loop in the center to attach the baby stay. My guess is, the base line needs enough slack so that when if forms a triangle, its peak (with the loop connecting the baby stay) is at the same height as the mast base (or tabernacle). Does my description make sense and is this correct? Can you elaborate more on this stabilizer set up (the loop/attachment, etc)? Thanks again!
Appreciated. Thank you sir.
I was just about to get hurt, but this video is going to prevent that. Saved for future reference 👍
I have a 6m mast which takes 2 to lift it - this is a really good idea - I wondered what the extra pole was for - we have a 18' micro challenger - thank yo Joe
You can use an old spinnaker pole, boom for a small boat, etc. I made my gin pole from a broken Butterfly mast.
I am a beginning sailor. Camera is too far away to see details hidden by the man's knees as to how the bottom of the mast is shaped and how it fits into the base and attached. Need to see these little details!
I always think this is an easy one-person job, and a tricky two-person job.
Thank you!
I made it out of an old Butterfly broken mast section. Any reasonably strong/light aluminum tube should do.
Hi There. Thanks you for posting this very informative video. I am using a similar gin pole system with a boat trailer winch instead of the 5:1 pully. What I am interested in is adding the stabiliser lines and I have a couple of questions.
1) do you use Spectra or would a braid with a bit of stretch be better?
2) when lowering the mast should the stabiliser lines be left loose as they will tighten up as the mast lowers?
Thanks again,
Peter
when you say 5 to 1 is that the number of turns of the line through the pulleys or block holding the gin pole
Hi Joe,
I have a PY 23 Paceship.
Wonder if you could provide more detail on your mast roller system that seems to fit over the rudder.
Also, It seems you have a bent U plate with holes on each end at the base of your gin pole to fit the forward pin at the base of the mast. Did you custom weld this piece to your gin pole? What do you have at the top of the gin pole for hardware to attach the block and tackle hook and your halyard?
Finally, when lowering the mast you will need to remove the forward pin at the base of the mast and then attach the gin pole to the base of the mast. It seems you would need to slightly push the mast aft in order to attach the gin pole. I suppose if you had someone bracing the back of the mast when you connected the gin pole that this could work but it seems like a risky proposition. I say this because I have a piece of 2 inch aluminum pipe and if I were to weld the bent U plate to the base of the gin pole, I am not sure if I would have enough room to attach it without tilting the mast slightly aft.
Thanks for this video! I just bought a 1979 PY23 and have been sweating the stepping process (after one tough raise in the driveway with anotehr adult to test it all out) and so your video makes it seem so doable. Is the gin pole a fabricated item or ssomthing to buy?
The mast height is 33 feet.I have a 28 foot sloop. Do you think it would be possible to step my mast myself? Thanks
Good Job - I have been watching different systems and I like yours best. Specially using an aluminum pole instead of wood! I just got an older Catalina 22 recently. Would you have list of parts, dimensions and sourcing? I will like to build similar. Thank you.
Go to Home Depot, always try to purchase high volume construction items because they're the least expensive. Don't buy specific parts, they are very expensive but make your own, that's half the fun. Buy a drill, jig saw, metal cutting blades, a vice, hack saw, hammer, and make your own metal parts. I will probably be using a 1 1/2" diam. electrical conduit, they're cheap and functional. They are galvanized metal, but the gin pole will not be on the boat when sailing, so I don't care if it is metal as opposed to expensive aluminum. You can also use a 2x4, nothing wrong with that. After a while, you'll might end up like me...I actually get more pleasure working on my boat making stuff than sailing her. Good luck.
What are the side guide lines fixed to? Also, out of curiosity, what roller furling system do you have??
I also purchased a sailboat , O'day 22 and want to try this elegant Step System . What i couldn't make out is the base of the pole to the mast clamp . Is this a custom clamp or is it a chain link modified clamp ?
I tried to do this. it was a colossal failure destroyed my mast. Joe if you read this I'd like to talk with you, and try to figure out where i went wrong.
how did you build the gin pole especially the mast connecting hardware
have you tried this on much taller masts? like the big 400lbs ones?
This mast weighs around 100 lbs, and I designed and built this system for a customer who wanted to be able to lift the mast without help. I've used similar systems on some taller masts (40') but that's about it.
Hi Joe can you please send me some photos of the gin pole including the blocks on each end, the fittings that connect to the mast and the fittings that connect to the prow? Best wishes Pete
This was a customer’s boat. I don’t have access to it. Sorry.
How much does it weigh, can u not just muscle it up?
A 30' mast weighing 100 lb mast requires a 200 lift at about 7' from the mast step, which is where one would probably need to be if the cabin height is much higher than the cockpit height. It's pretty tough for most people to manage. Most owners of sailboats 23' and up do not trailer sail their boats but rather set them up in a marina for the season because standing the mast is a significant task.
Sir, how long is your Gin Pole?
I think this is very personal information and not for this forum Teri.
that ladder entry point is "weak".....at least have it braced against the boat...geez louise....goofus and gallant!
poor guy falls off his roof patching the shingles...rich guy breaks his legs falling off his sailboat....lol
Join the Apaches as a bridge and skyscraper construction worker...nimble feet...even the window washers have elaborate safety harnesses and nets.
@@666zerowolf Yeah. Go be a bridge worker.