Armor Penetration Is VERY UNDERRATED | Dark and Darker

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  • @AndroZD94
    @AndroZD94 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +60

    According to wiki and numerous dataminers, armor penetration works as a multiplicative to armor reduction, not as an additive, like you've assumed.
    So in your example of Barbarian with 20% pdr and your ranger with 25% armor pen, the barbarian's pdr will be redused to 15% (100%-25%=75% of barbarian's base pdr).
    Another example is that armor penetration doesn't do anything to a taerget with 0% PDR - there is no armor to penetrate, you already do full damage, otherwise armor penetration would be just a damage multiplier, not unlike physical damage bonus.
    There is also an exception for when a target has negative PDR - armor penetration is not taken into an account.

    • @Joel-wj9ql
      @Joel-wj9ql 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Damn. Game changer

    • @reginalddiggums5468
      @reginalddiggums5468 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      thank you

    • @Squall598
      @Squall598 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Which is why, not useless, it's far less useful than most believe. A 75% fighters PDR will at best be reduced by 60% on Rogue, so they will still have 30% PDR, or around 55% for Ranger which leaves them at 34% PDR rounded up. The main use is that if you're hitting headshots and have a decent power bonus with additional, you will hit much harder than if you use True Damage, but only if you're stacking the armor pen really high, such as Ranger or Rogues. A content creator "Clowd" did a really good video on it a few months back.

    • @Squall598
      @Squall598 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And it also could've changed completely since they datamined it as well. But I doubt it.

    • @Summonick2
      @Summonick2 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@Squall598if someone has 75% pdr and you reduce their pdr to 30%, you do triple damage to them.

  • @jordanlawrence7053
    @jordanlawrence7053 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +43

    As a fellow Timmothy I wouldn’t mind seeing a 1k gold kit it would be a nice challenge

    • @Wintercide
      @Wintercide 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I think 1k is pretty low but 2k would be neat.

    • @luffy3862
      @luffy3862 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      you dont want that. When youtubers make a good timmy kit the prices of those items go up

    • @lordiust962
      @lordiust962 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@luffy3862 So true lol… if you think about it, it’s easy to make a lot of gold as a content creator. Just buy lots of that item then make a video about it 😂

    • @RandallMiller-eh6wm
      @RandallMiller-eh6wm 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yeah you could get some ok boots and hope MS is enough

    • @damonbradley3883
      @damonbradley3883 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yeah yami did that with my under 24 lute build and now the prices are too high for me to afford them. Sometimes knowledge can be destructive to our builds lmao

  • @watertaco
    @watertaco 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    Yami uploads PDR bard, thelorr goes armor pen.. I would almost say he is sniping!

  • @justafellagaming
    @justafellagaming 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    I remember a streamer saying a good ranger will make it look like you don’t know how to play the game and damn it is so true.

  • @TrustStolen
    @TrustStolen 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ngl i really enjoy the format of these videos, teaches a lot about the game and its entertaining to see all that goes into a run

  • @durantf4207
    @durantf4207 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hey thelorr. You’ve been making great videos. Keep it up man I wish you great success

  • @MultiFREEMSPOINTS
    @MultiFREEMSPOINTS 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Glad to see you getting these views, you are a monster!

  • @Liz4rdMan
    @Liz4rdMan 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Awesome video as always! Def should have listed these boots for more

  • @Porkrinds244
    @Porkrinds244 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was the high move speed cleric lmfao that was my first game with it and i ran it you lol love the vids!

  • @reginalddiggums5468
    @reginalddiggums5468 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    banger as usual but when we getting crossbow build? its so fun with back step

  • @DatBoiTWheel
    @DatBoiTWheel 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    God that last Druid kill was so satisfying, sit em down. He really thought he was doing something too 😂

  • @Noobsainb
    @Noobsainb 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    “1400 gold! Ok 899.” hahaha love it!

  • @FlashdEdits
    @FlashdEdits 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    you have a point in the end. I had a purple ring of knowledge with true magic, magical healing and magical power and there was none of these on the market so i ended up selling it for 8k. it sold in minutes, makes me wonder how much i could've gotten..

  • @kiiski3840
    @kiiski3840 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    What the smegma

    • @tano1670
      @tano1670 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Brain rot

    • @blackdaddy9052
      @blackdaddy9052 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I just poopy my kaka

  • @zachintheb0x818
    @zachintheb0x818 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Brother i tried your steak recipe and i think i might have shit my pants a bit. So damn good

  • @DunkSkunk
    @DunkSkunk 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The thing about the bear form guy you fought is that sure he has more pdr but I'm pretty sure that doesn't affect arrows , they still hurt as a bear I noticed

    • @stealthyturtles
      @stealthyturtles 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Isn’t there a “projectile damage reduction” stat not just physical damage? I wonder how that is used in the equation

  • @Lom-sj2bs
    @Lom-sj2bs 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If you want more move speed get a cloak of darkness the have ms bonus as a base stat

  • @vowish5319
    @vowish5319 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was rampaging with a slayer set with blueberry i had 16% armor pen and all true damage and rocked a flanged mace + short sword for 31% total, sprint and adrenaline. was super crazy 3 taping pdr people with 3 headshots

  • @DreamerrSlays
    @DreamerrSlays 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yeah those boots were well over that. Really good for a quicksilver still

  • @mikoajkoscielny6797
    @mikoajkoscielny6797 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You should try out the new druid gloves on ranger, it gives you dexterity and vigor i feel like it might be op

  • @GhostManPRO
    @GhostManPRO 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i miss your intro, i remember it from last fall when i started playing :(

  • @Emalix3654
    @Emalix3654 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Before armor pen was nerfed to only roll on specific gear peices I used to get +Power +Power Bonus and +Armor Pen on every peice of gear. Highest I ever got was 40% Armor Pen and 40% Power, I was two tapping geared barbs as a halbred fighter.

  • @minervaminerva2050
    @minervaminerva2050 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love your content!

  • @Jett2894
    @Jett2894 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    the cloak of darkness can give you more ms then an Adventure cload Lorr the ms bonus on the cloak has a chance to be higher then .09 look into it

  • @seedcraftthree
    @seedcraftthree 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Makes me wanna try this but with crossbow ranger build. Could hit like 50% pdr reduction

  • @robforskinstein
    @robforskinstein 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Could you do a low gs video or zero to hero type thing? Ranger feels extremely different and outclassed at a low gear score compared to other classes.

  • @Rustypoo
    @Rustypoo 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I can’t believe you just smacked that pdr fighter like it was nothing. But also I feel like it makes it harder to fight rogues with the negative power bonus

  • @gilbertb.7740
    @gilbertb.7740 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What’s dpi and mouse sensitivity if you don’t mind me asking ?

  • @bossdogtx
    @bossdogtx 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I need to play matches with you frfr 🔥🔥🔥

  • @patrickking7115
    @patrickking7115 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    For items like Trolls blood you should treat them like bis items and sell for just under market price it always gets bought.

  • @SqueakyFrank
    @SqueakyFrank 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’m pretty sure the Barb at 15:10 was trynna turn out the light lmao

  • @itsBenjamon
    @itsBenjamon 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They need to buff armor pen on the cobalt gear. the fact that a random roll can be higher is criminal

  • @CR-xx7kd
    @CR-xx7kd 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wouldn’t it be better to stack +1 physical dmg with armor penetration, except frost amulet? True dmg is good against heavy PDR but the armor penetration is essentially making them squishy. Just wondering what you think.

  • @sakke6111
    @sakke6111 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i do this on the slayer, with flanged mace and stilleto dagger.

  • @Joel-wj9ql
    @Joel-wj9ql 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    First. When fighter vid next pls

    • @eidolonis
      @eidolonis 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Try running a pdr/hp fighter mixed with will. You should be able to get 140+ hp, 17-20% buff and 45+% PDR with meh speed.
      Reading this I ran out the cost of a kit I've been wreaking havoc with (visored barbuta, dark cuirass, light gauntlets, heavy boots +rings/pendant and cape with a green falch and shield) and it was at 800~ gold, just keep in mind that may jump up or down probably plus or minus 100~ gold due to the markets.
      The price also isn't including a crossbow, as I usually just take the squire one until I find a better one as I don't use it for any serious fighting, I mainly use it to harass people and pressure people from pushing too aggressively so I can dictate the fight

  • @hdrag9
    @hdrag9 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    All I cant say is when I stacked 20% Armor Pen on my Rogue(with APen skills and dual daggers). I was smacking the tankiest of fighters down in 1 burst.

  • @Lipbeat
    @Lipbeat 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    wasn't 9 strength a bit too low? wouldnt it have been better to trade like 5ish dex for strength?

  • @Darkplz
    @Darkplz 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Pen and PDR relation is 1 to 1, meaning if you have 20 pen you're gonna do remove 20 PDR from the target, essentially giving true dmg on power PDR builds

    • @ll-ou4iv
      @ll-ou4iv 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Are u sure? Someone told me that armor pen 20% is 20% from your pdr. If you have 20 pdr that means that u will have 16 pdr instead

  • @tegridyjunglebud
    @tegridyjunglebud 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    woahhh your gonna make armor pen go up in price on the market lmfao I have been running a cobalt cleric kit with 32% armor pen with mace out, with smite and 62% magic power bonus.

  • @mediandirt
    @mediandirt 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    was that cleric you killed Firebox?

  • @weewoodnd
    @weewoodnd 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    You can get more armor pen by roll on the bow

  • @Darkplz
    @Darkplz 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    having negative phy power kinda hurts to see, should really try to get to 0, +6 power on bow/spear helps alot maybe 1-2 strenght rings and you should be there

  • @VALNARXXX
    @VALNARXXX 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    doesnt do that much because its a % of a % not a flat stat....unless you are fighting a pdr fighter with 75% PDR , you will not notice it, as you can clearly see on this barb, 180 hp, 7 shots and 1 headshot needed.

    • @PredatorGamingTR
      @PredatorGamingTR 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      So True damage is definitely better

    • @VALNARXXX
      @VALNARXXX 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@PredatorGamingTR thats why they nerfed it ,

  • @fexiix
    @fexiix 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I got some heavy boots that are epic eith 1.4 move speed bonus, 5 add move speed, and 1 vigor. I literally just can’t sell them!

  • @elijahvanmeeter5314
    @elijahvanmeeter5314 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yo lorr they buffed the windless it does way more armor pen now

  • @nicolaspollack9142
    @nicolaspollack9142 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    bought a bis legi spellbook for 20k and fliped it for 30k it sometimes is realy worth it :D

  • @TheWarriorGreat
    @TheWarriorGreat 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Sadly if the panther have the correct agi items you would just be dead using the spear. I know from experience playing wiz vs +29 agi gear. I got 2 tapped with 135 hp

  • @SkillSanity
    @SkillSanity 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ur strength is only on 9 , this affects alot the physic damage bonus id say be on 15-18 strength rather than having vigor

  • @Raclawgra
    @Raclawgra 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If I put my green kris, I can be matched with this 10k monster. The current gear score match-up is busted.

  • @dinen2394
    @dinen2394 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    1000G max for you kit would actually be really cool to see, im always so broke lol

    • @thelorr
      @thelorr  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      As soon as you get the hang of consistent PVP wins, watch how rich you’ll get :) o7

    • @thelorr
      @thelorr  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Loss in this game will always happen but there’s a consistency that happens with persistence in this game as well I found

    • @dinen2394
      @dinen2394 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@thelorr oh definitely, i just usually end up buying a full kit as soon as i can and it'll last me a good few games. once i lose it it just takes some time to earn the money back, so a backup budget kit to use while earning money for a full spend would be cool to see

    • @stealthyturtles
      @stealthyturtles 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@dinen2394I have a rogue specifically for gold grinding. I avoid fights, take the lock pick talent, and just farm up like 3-4 runs, then blow it all on my fighter and look for PvP. I like the long sword and still learning riposte spacing and timing so I tend to die a lot haha. I wish the gear cap was like 200 gs not 24 gs, so I could actually feel like I have a build in greens and not have to fight dudes decked in purple and blue fully optimized gear sets running through me.

    • @dinen2394
      @dinen2394 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@stealthyturtles were i not f2p i would 100% have a rogue just to run around and lockpick all the lion heads chests i know of, alas, i can only play ranger

  • @Dramox.
    @Dramox. 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Would love to see the way you died in the end using this build to prepare ourselves

    • @thelorr
      @thelorr  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I ran that build till I got tired, then late midnight ran it again off obs and died to a stock armored fighter because I got too content LOL

  • @vinhthinhnguyen1087
    @vinhthinhnguyen1087 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I can see how strong ranger is when you didn't even have to drink the protection potion, unlike fighter it just like a must LOL

  • @creeperslayer3897
    @creeperslayer3897 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    range meta in this game is so much fun. woo hoo

  • @o_XampL
    @o_XampL 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’m curious why do you mine gold nuggets if you kill for the best loot in the game to sell can you elaborate? I’m new trying to get goated also please don’t do that 1k gear vid the last thing we need is more gear getting jacked up in the trade market especially for my ranger class😅

  • @hunterpotts3044
    @hunterpotts3044 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    My face when he sold 13k boots for 2k

  • @nukedude1975
    @nukedude1975 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Maybe some crossbow ranger build ? Seems fun blasting peoples with bolt in face 🎉

  • @saugamer4314
    @saugamer4314 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    great video thx man was a lot of fun to watch.
    Also i belive if you stack armor pen and you fight agains a person who has basicly no pdr and you will hit him below the 0% you will start to make bonus damage. Correct me if im wrong but armor pen is really really strong when you stack it.

  • @Lugia-
    @Lugia- 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The lightfoot were probably way more, like 5k. I sold worse for more than urs, 2Dex, 5Move alone is crazy

  • @R-redditstories69
    @R-redditstories69 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So armor pen is a percent of his pdr It doesn’t work they way u think it does that’s why fully stacking it sucks. Good vid man

    • @Summonick2
      @Summonick2 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Most the best players in the game are buying armor pen right now. It’s meh in solos but basically required for physical classes in the 3s meta

  • @asKiFTW
    @asKiFTW 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    is it really underrated? rogues stacking these for a long time

  • @botuptop9345
    @botuptop9345 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You didnt grab armor pen on the bow oh no

  • @gauge-ks2ym
    @gauge-ks2ym 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    that build is disgusting love it

  • @STAR-es4zr
    @STAR-es4zr 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    he isnt wearing a beni he is just a red creature wearing a human face as a mask

  • @user-im5ko5sg8z
    @user-im5ko5sg8z 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    9:41 start the video

  • @eggling3427
    @eggling3427 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    undeRRated, you illiiterate

  • @XxEpicPilot4UxX
    @XxEpicPilot4UxX 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    crayola ranger

  • @watertaco
    @watertaco 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Bro playing fashion and darker

  • @wesmorris3529
    @wesmorris3529 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    BROTHER MULTI SHOT AND USE IT ON EXTREMELY CLOSE TARGETS THANK ME LATER

  • @sl5945
    @sl5945 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    As a cleric main,
    Stop

  • @markeloffpk6062
    @markeloffpk6062 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ngl man going against rangers like these is like miserable

  • @NathanPringle-se6nj
    @NathanPringle-se6nj 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    dude im telling you run a 6.9% armor pen longbow with multishot and ur gnna be shitting on high tiered plate fighters

  • @GhostManPRO
    @GhostManPRO 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I would give up if i came across a ranger as sweaty as you lol, cool build but man, this kind of thing makes me wanna stop playing the game.

  • @GiftZwerg
    @GiftZwerg 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bro cheated on his slayer fighter 💀

  • @dinnersandvich9329
    @dinnersandvich9329 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ranger on top!!

  • @88Spint
    @88Spint 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The smurfs are at it again.

  • @meat.
    @meat. 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    they’re gonna nerf armor pen bc of you nooo

  • @CrescentSouls
    @CrescentSouls 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    BALD

  • @jooshie3873
    @jooshie3873 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Plug with the rizz livvy dunne

  • @bardle9169
    @bardle9169 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So far we are 1-0 me, I will be hunting down any rangers I see. If you kill me I’ll donate 20 next time. Look out for DontStopBelieve

  • @hipduh
    @hipduh 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like thelorr but ranger gameplay is just unbearable

  • @xaedris
    @xaedris 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    depressing to watch... i hope i never run into you in the dungeons now this would be a day ruin'r to die too...
    good content though if not on the receiving end

  • @zeztox
    @zeztox 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    i just dont understand why you wear a hat while playing video games. I mean unless youre sitting outside

    • @TheWarriorGreat
      @TheWarriorGreat 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      True or clothes in general tbh, I always play naked. Completely naked ofc. It feels so much more natural

    • @zeztox
      @zeztox 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@TheWarriorGreat Lol i bet you wear shoes inside and probably wear winter shoes in the summertime. Oh and dont forget the winter hat in the summer, because you know, its summer and super cold.

    • @TheWarriorGreat
      @TheWarriorGreat 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@zeztox I was born naked and I will remain naked

  • @S13rider
    @S13rider 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hey they fixed fighter u can stop playing ranger now

    • @TheWarriorGreat
      @TheWarriorGreat 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Fighter is not fixed, it's ms is back but you're even weaker than before in terms of combat

    • @thelorr
      @thelorr  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They did not fix fighter. PDR may be fine, however Slayer fighter(which was my main) is no match in this meta of insane HP and ms. Maybe in Timmy lobbies it works well but not in the upper levels. Weapon damage and true nerfs were detrimental to the class. You can’t fight barbs, clerics, or pdr fighters without doing a ridiculous amount of kiting damage first. What’s the point? Might as well play ranger if all I’m doing is using range on fighter anyway xD
      wizards, warlocks, druids… can’t get close to them anyway. Gotta use a bow.
      Only class you can beat is a rogue as slayer. I will not play PDR. It’s so boring and slow! o7 brother

    • @TheWarriorGreat
      @TheWarriorGreat 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@thelorr Pretty sure landmine rogues also beat slayer fighters if they get the jump on you, so it's not even on you if you can beat them or not