Masahiro Ito: "Even though I designed Abstract Daddy itself, the creature & the reliving the Angela's story in the SH2R A-Daddy battle made me feel bad. It was so bad." Mateusz Lenart(remake director): I remember I had the biggest problem with this one. Being trapped in a tiny room during boss fights was not the case anymore in the remake due to the camera perspective etc...i wanted to give this more meaning. Make it a little bit more personal for James and players. Take a look at the beginning of the cutscene, for example. James is standing in the doorframe, creating the black siluette that Angela might have seen countless times She was left alone in a house that became her personal hell, and that's what we aimed for in the design breaking away from the typical boss fight structure and instead making it about being symbolically trapped in her story I'm glad it evoked a specific feeling in you" Masahiro Ito: "You guys made the correct choice. imo! It was so good direction to overlap the silhouette of James entering through the door & Angela's negative memories, also influenced the distance between her & him in the game" "The battle made me feel, "I wish UE5 & PS5 had been around when we were developing the OG SH2" Hahaha" Love this interaction between Masahiro Ito and the remake director! I love both games but this new remake is 100% faithful and respectful to the og game. Not just that but the expanded on the town and added new endings. Even more reasons to play the remake.
@Riccolino. can't explain nothing to "hardcore" fans. This is for people who appreciate Silent Hill 2 and the remake.
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@@thedudebryan98 we don't have to hate or attack each other. I glad you like it so much. I find it cosmetically inflated, but devoid of real substance and sincerity. I'm not saying it's bad, it's mediocre for me. it's like a standardish Ue5 preset. I've got nothing against anyone, but think fanaticism is always trying to marginalize dissenters. Can't we al get along? Silent hill 2 is one thing, Silent hill 2 remake is another. They don't compete with each other because they're two different things, the original will always have it's fair conquered place in history, the remake can't outshine, tarnish or diminish it, and so the Og can't the remake. in the end it all comes to you: don't let them fvckers handle you like a puppet. If you think remake sucks, fvck them. It sucks. If you don't follow the masses. The game is what we call nowadays a "success" ksjak ksjK *KSJAK*
As someone who is old enough to have played all these games when they originally came out I really like this silent hill 2 remake for years I thought this title was dead
Yeah but I think thats just something you lose with better graphics. But I agree the atmosphere still is a lot less creepy. Also don't know why they toned/removed some of the sexual stuff I didn't think it was anything too crazy in the original, and it added to the themes and creep factor.
It’s like watching a VHS then switching over to blue ray, I’d rather have the creepier atmosphere the original had with the original graphics . The mind fills in what the graphics cant and I feel that gives it an edge when it comes to an eerie factor
The graphical fidelity of the remake does play a role in eroding the look of original but not as large a role as some here are arguing. To me, the crucial difference is in the art direction. The original game’s visuals are filthy. Mould, dirt and rust permeate every environment. Enemies are filthy and covered in stains. Everything looks like it’s been in sitting in landfill for a decade. The first thing we see rendered in-game is a filthy urinal. There’s even a heavy film grain effect laid over the image. The original game is obsessed with filth and it colours the entire game. The remake is much cleaner and sterile. The film grain that gave the original its filmic look is completely gone. There’s just less to be said for the remake’s aesthetic. They’ve left a lot of the original’s art direction behind and more than anything this is why I was apprehensive of the remake. The more they showed in pre-release footage the more this suspicion was confirmed.
Original looks creepier There is something about these late 90s, early 2000s graphics that gives you that weird feeling. And not just Silent Hill. There are 3D games from that era that were meant for children, like some platformers etc, and many of them still have that uncomfortable vibe to them, even though the authors clearly did not mean it. At least from todays perspective.
I do agree and i still really like the remake. Glad i got both. I'm just sad that they don't make any new games like this nowadays... only indie developers maybe.
👍As a long time SH fan I still enjoyed the remake. It all just boils down to personal preference and I think it’s ok to disagree on certain things while keeping it respectful. That said, I think both games(like RE4)offer something great and unique of their own.
I don't see that, in the original Pyramid feels more goofy than anything else. In the new one he feels more threatening. Of course, everyone's taste is different and I don't have nostalgia acting as a factor.
So many things to list that they have improved on like animation, cleaner textures and realism...... which actually gave the original a more unnerving feel....
Bunch of people complaining about nothing. Actually reminds me of 23 years ago when OG Silent Hill 2 came out and all the fandom did was complain that it didn't look as dark and gritty as SH1. It's so funny how ridiculous a behavior that is and how much it's repeated in toxic fandoms.
"toxic fandom" is such a buzzword. People don't have to like everything, especially when it comes to remakes which carry a whole lot of baggage. The descision to remake something at all is already a fairly controversial thing, people are going to be extra critical based on that alone. That isn't "toxic."
Listen, I have a lot of criticism about the new game. But I’m like this with almost all the new media that comes out. It all seems so similar. Super HD, super cleaned up, censored in subtle ways. 🤷🏻♀️
@@marianodenisvega4323 they only removed one. The scene before the boss fight. And honestly what Bloober did made way more sense. Pyramid Heads only goal is to kill James’ monsters and show James his reality. He’s a butcher. Showing him kill monsters instead of eating their ass makes more sense.
@@marianodenisvega4323 dude what? PH’s is the manifestation of James’ guilt. Everyone knows that. His entire purpose is to show James the reality of what he’s done. Which is why he kills Maria and why he kills monsters.
Original is more scary and it has more deep feel.. just like that close up space with PH, in the building, where they left trough water sewage.. it's actually even more close to lore, than when he left the building...
Call me crazy, the remake is interesting, and it does have improvements, but it feels more “timid” than the original, like they said, “look how good the aesthetic changes are”, but at the same time they made it less visual, it looks better, yes, but it feels more decaffeinated.
I do think they improved most of the boss fights honestly, however, i always loved the way pyramid head just walks off into the water in the og, opening a giant door just isnt as unsettling
I think people should experience Silent Hill 2 remake first before judging from these scenes, it's quite a masterful adaptation. That being said, the limited controls in the original made Pyramid Head scarier. Whereas as a woman, I definitely thought that Abstract Daddy in the remake was even more horrifying.
@@hemogoblin69 what you saw is only the part left from the original, a lot was either removed or smoothed out. The developers were obviously very afraid that they would be accused of objectifying women or something like that, it was not for nothing that they turned to the consulting company "sweet babies" for help.
What nonsense. Nothing was removed. I player tge original many times. The only thing that was SLIGHTLY less graphic was Pyramid Head with the manequins.
From an artistic perspective, both hold up in their own ways with different deliveries, but the remake plays better (despite frame rate stutters, but that can be fixed). I’m just happy to see that a remake was made and another may be made soon because of the success
I really don't like pyramid head moving, he doesn't look ominous or creepy, just some weird huge monster with the knife, but not a damn king of the personal hell.
The old PS1, PS2 games had almost auto aim on. You just shot straight into enemies without actually aiming. I'm really glad the remake gives you the actually ability to shoot usefully.
Both look amazing and I especially like the redesign of the abstract daddy fight but I do have to say the limited graphics of the orignal do add to the eeryness of the enemies.
seeing this, showed me i am not blind by nostalgic feelings.... i love the old camera angles so much more...i am photo and videographer and a great disturbing view could do so much more then this "boring over shoulder each game has crap" view.
This seems to be an Ocarina of Time 3D situation, where the gameplay is better, but some of the atmosphere is lost thanks to newer and cleaner visuals.
Abstract daddy character model was kinda disappointing I see were Bloober Team wanted to go, changing Maria outfit, changin the "see I'm warmth" scene, changing first and second encounter with PH... Those guy were just afraid of "modern audiences" acussing them or some of that shit people from those circles like to do At least they delivered the message and the really interested will go and play the original game
They sure went overboard with Eddie's design. They just missed making his baseball cap red and have him screaming "MILLIONS MUST DI-!" as his dying words.
The bosses are much better in the original in every aspect with the exception of Eddie that was fantastic in the remake, eveything else the original was just much more atmospheric. The room of Angela boss fight is opressive in the original in the remake is just a series of generic rooms to yoyu run around. The boss rooms and the introduction of the bosses is just so good in the original that remake feel just cheap.
Why did they replace the Abstract Daddy room? The remake room looks like a generic arena whereas the original room was creepy and haunting because of the implications.
@@SeriousDragonify they did. The original room was very claustrophobic and too close-quarters-ish. It implies something… The small room was obviously a child’s room hence why it was small. The remake looks like it has a lot of breathing room, probably to accommodate the new fighting and dodging mechanics when facing off against the Abstract Daddy. The original was so small that you can see Angela huddling in the corner afraid.
The original room was just a boring room full of "sexual subtexts", not at all subtle. In short, a boring place in terms of gameplay and really in thematic setting. The new one is undoubtedly a noticeable improvement in visual language, lore and playability. We see Angela's house being destroyed and burned as we advance in the game, Abstract Daddy looks more and more burned due to what Angela did in the house and it doesn't help that as we advance through the house we hear Thomas Orosco say disgusting things insinuating what he said to his daughter. Also the enemy improves noticeably because Abstract Daddy grabs you and doesn't let go, making you feel how Angela must have felt at the time. Saying that the original was better is undoubtedly the fault of nostalgia. All bosses in the original were quite poor, either due to the limitations of the time or any decision, I'm glad that bloober realized that we are in 2024 and we have advanced in terms of playability.
@@barricadedpurifier They literally have a super narrow closet with a blanket which implies a child had to stay in there. And they have the holes and things on the ceiling doing a thrusting motion. Just because they have no cyliners going moving inside holes does not mean it is not there. Abstract Daddy, the literal walking bed with two people on it is also still there.
@@Cetra29 Not talking about the holes. If you read my other reply, I was talking about the “arena.” I liked how tight spaced and claustrophobic the original was. I missed how on the bottom of the screen, you can see her there. I’m saying that it was probably changed to be more spacious to accommodate the new combat mechanics.
Eddie’s fight in Remake was actually much creepier, like my God, ITS SO DARK! Thank God at my first playthrough I decided to turn off radio the moment I got it. With it turned off it actually helped me hear his running step not to mention there is next phase by him shooting pipe to create gas noise and then moving the meat pieces on final phase
Old version is way, way better. Better atmosphere, gameplay, camera angles and OST. On the remake it looks like a Resident Clone with over the shoulder camera angle, heavy on action and a shit load of enemies making the survival part of the game non-existent. Now go ahead and call me a boomer normies.
I think all bosses looks great except for Abstract Daddy, actually looks kinda low quality and they did not succes to replace the atmosphere that the fixed camera gave at the original. Also, was disapointing the scenario in the first fight with Pyramid Head, quite generic, the original was simple but unique and I don't understand why they removed pyramid head fucking the mannequin on the cutscene of the fight.
i am almost certain anyone hating on the remake for being inferior to the original SH2 has played neither or gets all of their experience from a youtube video that showcases a couple minutes of a boss fight instead of the whole thing. the remake is definitely an improvement on the original. i admit some faults in the gameplay are present but for me, this is the definitive way to experience the story of silent hill 2.
I still prefer the original. The combat in the Remake is too action-packed. The areas where you fight bosses are too spacious. They don't convey that claustrophobia, that feeling of being in danger with something you don't even know what it is in a small space. And what really gets me about the Remake is the voices of the characters. They sound dead. There's no emotion. Eddie is the best in that sense. Angela and James are zombies. I don't like it at all 😐.
couldnt agree more, initially thought the game was gonna suck, but changed my view aftering completing the game on normal difficulty, truly a masterpiece
Forget that the new generations that play or played the most recent Resident Evil (Re8, Re2 and 4 remake) never played Silent Hill or practically any other Survival Horror from the golden age of PS2 (Fatal Frame, Alone in The Dark or Clocktower).
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 Just exit your RE mind man, you can't compare one game with another if you don't understand both history lines. I love RE and i didnt even think about it while playing SH2R 👌🏻
In the remake: - Eddie goes down with one jab during cutscene. - Eddie keeps running around after getting repeatedly blasted by a shotgun. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
The camera angels used for the remake cutscenes aren’t very imaginative. Also the background is insanely dark which makes it look like the characters are hanging out in the void.
I'm sorry sometimes nostalgia becomes blinding. People are saying the original is still better because of the limitations and the fidelity? The atmosphere, characterization and themes have all been enhanced and amplified by modern systems. The OG is good but playing this feels just as sinister if not more so because they are mocapped. Maybe remakes need to die if this is what's going to happen every time no matter the effort put in.
I know its annoying/ said a billion times but that Ps2 pyramid head scene is so fucking freaky. I know we can't do anything risqué 'these days' even if its only implied ...but its still so effective. I know they didnt change too much in the ph intro scene in the remake and even added some cool edits (I love ph's 'reaction' to getting 'shot', its definitely a good kind of odd). I really love the remake a lot! I just get so irritated by Ph's 'freak erasure' -- id bet my hat its a konami or playstation corporate note. They'd rather have him standing around looking like a funko pop Some of my fave edits have to be the Flesh lip fight however! feels like an actual fight in the remake instead of 2 assets just sitting there. The diffnt phases were a crazy good surprise
@@snakeeater6738graphics improvement doesnt = better game .. thats all this remake had to offer in the grand scheme of things, and the OG graphics were a huge part of the games unique atmosphere and charm. not hard to get why people dont care for the remake
@@babysam3768you are so out of Touch from reality saying "not hard to get why people dont care for the remake" meanwhile it Sold over a Millionen now and blooper said they think of making more silent hill games through the success of it. Kinda sad how "Fans" like you from the original arent able to truly appreciate this awesome remake in its entirety. I bet 100% u didnt played the remake at all or didnt played it till the end. It is such a improvement of so many things. The Boss fights arent anymore just running to the corner and snail pyramid head is comming at you while you shoot invisible bullets at him while just standing. Its way more Dynamic now. People like you really dont appreciate things for a stubborn reason.
@@babysam3768 "people don't care about the remake" wtf dude 🤣there are a lot more people who love it than those who “don't care” but obviously, the critics make more noise.
@@BlankBlank-b8x you literally cut off the first half of my sentence lmao. I said NOT HARD TO GET WHY people don’t care for it. I didn’t say nobody cares for it. Reading comprehension.
The way how SH2 remake transitions from boss fight to cutscene is not smooth at all, especially the Abstract Daddy.. you're fighting it in a secluded space with a giant fan blocking the path then when it dies, it goes back to Angela's room. Wtf? They did a half assed job
I think fans of the remake getting triggered by original fans giving fair criticism to the remake are more insufferable than the OG fans who prefer the original because of nostalgia. If he prefers the original VA, let him live...
Thanks for the video comparison. Still, no matter how hard you look at it, the remake came out worse compared to the original. I'm not a fan of super dume realistic graphics or easy controls. I'm not a gamer neither. However, thanks to the internet, I can look at these games from all angles without even going into them once. Silent Hill 2 is a game with depth, not just in the story, but in everything. The voice actors have character and not just for their lines, but the voice itself. Their voices are distinctive and interesting. The mimicry of the characters has also gotten worse. It's flat. It was painful for me to look at Angela. The moment where she spills out all the emotions she has accumulated over the years of humiliation, violence and abuse - nothing. In the original, thanks to the composition of the frame and the lighting with strong shadows, everything is much more palpable. There I can feel her pain through absolutely everything. To remove the sexual overtones from the same monsters was extremely inappropriate, as far as I'm concerned. After all, that was part of the story. Something that added clues to reveal the characters' problems. It's not just about one moment. It's about everything. The remake stupidly lost all the depth and fear, creating only a beautiful cover and that is for the amateur. Now everything is so cleaned up that there is nothing to look at. I'm just sad about it all.
I agree, for example the legendarny scene "anyway" with maria is much better directed in OG. The emotions anger and frustration on Maria face is better done in the original than remake in this particular scene
yes the remake feels sanitized and over produced.. I cant watch the cutscenes without constantly being aware of the painfully forced voice acting trying to sound raw and emotional
Been playing the remake of SH2 and must admit I think its amazing.. its creepy and the puzzles and gameplay is great. Compared to RE4 remake this is way better in my opinion. The bosses look twisted unlike the giant tumours with heads in RE4
no hay censura en el remake, si acaso faltó una escena pero todo está como es jajaja, y sobre todo en la pelea de abstract daddy en el remake es mas explicito porque se escucha la voz del papá de angela mientras le hacia las cosas horrendas
Justo eso, esa pelea es mucho mejor en el remake, te da mucho mejor contexto del lore de Angela, las vivencias del padre, los papeles del caso pegados en la pared, ver la casa de Ángela y cómo al ir avanzando la pelea se va quemando más y más cómo ella lo hizo al matar a su padre. Y la pelea de Eddie también es mejor, en el original ni lo sentías cómo una amenaza y en el remake se siente cómo si realmente te acechara un psicópata.
Remakes bosses are nice. Just wish it wasn't aimed at "Modern audiences" Also the og did some scenes better. The elevator when maria dies, In the remake he just moves on where, The OG he gave up and was in despair which was way more impactful. It's like a 6/10 after goin back through.
The original feels like a horrible nightmare, the new one like a typical modern horror game. Proof that master pieces can be made only one time and my accident.
Remake is better Not only the bosses are better but the normal enemies are better too. In the remake mannequins hide and ambush you and the nurses even counter attack Better and scarier than the original
Agreed, the enemies aren't a bunch of norons. You actually need to use some braincells to deal with them. I thought - knowing Konami and how they operate - they would just make the game look good and would be literally the same gameplay as the original. I'm surprised and glad I was wrong.
Yall can have your own opinions but Eddie is by far wayyyyy better in the remake. I can actually empathize with him and felt sad when he went to a point of no return.
So? They made Eddie into a kind of kid with that attitude? What was the point of censure it and just made him a psychopath? He was that, that's the point of how he acts there
Konami is afraid that they'll get shamed on by the woke community or the basement dweller degenerates on twitter/reddit, which is understandable cause they're trying to make a comeback after giving slop after slop quality of games.
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thanks for the spoiler asshole.
Masahiro Ito: "Even though I designed Abstract Daddy itself, the creature & the reliving the Angela's story in the SH2R A-Daddy battle made me feel bad. It was so bad."
Mateusz Lenart(remake director): I remember I had the biggest problem with this one. Being trapped in a tiny room during boss fights was not the case anymore in the remake due to the camera perspective etc...i wanted to give this more meaning. Make it a little bit more personal for James and players. Take a look at the beginning of the cutscene, for example. James is standing in the doorframe, creating the black siluette that Angela might have seen countless times
She was left alone in a house that became her personal hell, and that's what we aimed for in the design breaking away from the typical boss fight structure and instead making it about being symbolically trapped in her story
I'm glad it evoked a specific feeling in you"
Masahiro Ito: "You guys made the correct choice. imo! It was so good direction to overlap the silhouette of James entering through the door & Angela's negative memories, also influenced the distance between her & him in the game" "The battle made me feel, "I wish UE5 & PS5 had been around when we were developing the OG SH2" Hahaha"
Love this interaction between Masahiro Ito and the remake director! I love both games but this new remake is 100% faithful and respectful to the og game. Not just that but the expanded on the town and added new endings. Even more reasons to play the remake.
what a bunch of horse shit.
Exceptional conversation. Thank you for sharing this!
Explain that to the hardcore fans who cry about the new remake being "bad"
@Riccolino. can't explain nothing to "hardcore" fans. This is for people who appreciate Silent Hill 2 and the remake.
@@thedudebryan98 we don't have to hate or attack each other. I glad you like it so much. I find it cosmetically inflated, but devoid of real substance and sincerity. I'm not saying it's bad, it's mediocre for me. it's like a standardish Ue5 preset. I've got nothing against anyone, but think fanaticism is always trying to marginalize dissenters. Can't we al get along? Silent hill 2 is one thing, Silent hill 2 remake is another. They don't compete with each other because they're two different things, the original will always have it's fair conquered place in history, the remake can't outshine, tarnish or diminish it, and so the Og can't the remake. in the end it all comes to you: don't let them fvckers handle you like a puppet. If you think remake sucks, fvck them. It sucks. If you don't follow the masses. The game is what we call nowadays a "success" ksjak ksjK *KSJAK*
I demand a mod to bring back Pyramid Head's ass eating scene
Pretty sure that will happen eventually. 😂
Y'all can be nostalgic if you want, but the remake is incredible
Well he was probably doing that in Tuchimo’s GMV 😂
@@bluemusic039 It won't happen, it demands a lot
This is what happens when you support remakes…they tone things down and ruin the original
bad boy pyramid, was it eating some ass?
If the ass in on fire, better eat it good
yeah...
@@pacpac22 The Red Pyramid thing got its Red Wings
Got that helmet on to protect from the pink eye
he was GETTING it IN 😭
I've never played SH2 but the old version looks creepier to me. The limitation in graphics thing really helped with the creepiness.
go play OG it it's abandonware and it's for free now
But unreal engine 5 lighting is breathtaking
Nah. People who played it before usually won't accept the new and improve remake. I also finished the game before but the remake is way better.
@@christianco905 no , first sh2 better
@@nef5449 its just the nostalgia man.
graphic improvement over 2 decades is crazy.
"Unpleasant dirt" was also part of Silent Hill's appeal.
all i can say is all Silent Hill bosses are very original theyre not monsters theyre abomination.
My favourite one is scarlet from sh5
As someone who is old enough to have played all these games when they originally came out I really like this silent hill 2 remake for years I thought this title was dead
The first one looks like an abandoned/lost game from the deep web,much creepier
The remake is also pretty good but it loses that touch
Yeah but I think thats just something you lose with better graphics. But I agree the atmosphere still is a lot less creepy. Also don't know why they toned/removed some of the sexual stuff I didn't think it was anything too crazy in the original, and it added to the themes and creep factor.
@@carlosboozer6017 " Also don't know why they toned/removed some of the sexual stuff "
are you serius? woke dumbness
Yeah i never played or looked into silent hill before but the maria death scene seems way better in the og.
It’s like watching a VHS then switching over to blue ray, I’d rather have the creepier atmosphere the original had with the original graphics . The mind fills in what the graphics cant and I feel that gives it an edge when it comes to an eerie factor
The graphical fidelity of the remake does play a role in eroding the look of original but not as large a role as some here are arguing. To me, the crucial difference is in the art direction.
The original game’s visuals are filthy. Mould, dirt and rust permeate every environment. Enemies are filthy and covered in stains. Everything looks like it’s been in sitting in landfill for a decade. The first thing we see rendered in-game is a filthy urinal. There’s even a heavy film grain effect laid over the image. The original game is obsessed with filth and it colours the entire game.
The remake is much cleaner and sterile. The film grain that gave the original its filmic look is completely gone. There’s just less to be said for the remake’s aesthetic. They’ve left a lot of the original’s art direction behind and more than anything this is why I was apprehensive of the remake. The more they showed in pre-release footage the more this suspicion was confirmed.
Original looks creepier There is something about these late 90s, early 2000s graphics that gives you that weird feeling. And not just Silent Hill. There are 3D games from that era that were meant for children, like some platformers etc, and many of them still have that uncomfortable vibe to them, even though the authors clearly did not mean it.
At least from todays perspective.
I do agree and i still really like the remake. Glad i got both. I'm just sad that they don't make any new games like this nowadays... only indie developers maybe.
👍As a long time SH fan I still enjoyed the remake. It all just boils down to personal preference and I think it’s ok to disagree on certain things while keeping it respectful. That said, I think both games(like RE4)offer something great and unique of their own.
I feel the same way in half life 2.
That first pyramid encounter was way better framed in the original
I don't see that, in the original Pyramid feels more goofy than anything else.
In the new one he feels more threatening.
Of course, everyone's taste is different and I don't have nostalgia acting as a factor.
So many things to list that they have improved on like animation, cleaner textures and realism...... which actually gave the original a more unnerving feel....
I’m just happy silent hill is getting more games.
I'm still waiting for one of them to actually be a Silent Hill game
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 it would be great if they remastered the first one would love to see what it would potentially look with modern graphics.
@@shadowfoxprower4412 who cares about modern graphics when they completely miss the damn point about the games.
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271The game is amazing, your opinion doesn’t matter.
@@Bahamut9999 😆 says the consumer. You don't even have an original thought
Bunch of people complaining about nothing. Actually reminds me of 23 years ago when OG Silent Hill 2 came out and all the fandom did was complain that it didn't look as dark and gritty as SH1.
It's so funny how ridiculous a behavior that is and how much it's repeated in toxic fandoms.
Toxic fandoms like yours.
"toxic fandom" is such a buzzword.
People don't have to like everything, especially when it comes to remakes which carry a whole lot of baggage. The descision to remake something at all is already a fairly controversial thing, people are going to be extra critical based on that alone.
That isn't "toxic."
Sh1 is still the best and scariest
Not true at all. That game was praised immensely when it came out. Sh1 fans rejoiced
The hardware limitation can't limit imagination
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That’s literally what it does
@@snakeeater6738limitation breeds creativity
Listen, I have a lot of criticism about the new game. But I’m like this with almost all the new media that comes out. It all seems so similar. Super HD, super cleaned up, censored in subtle ways. 🤷🏻♀️
I really wonder how many people shitting on the remake have actually played it. Nostalgia blinded people I swear. Both are amazing experiences.
My only complain is removing the sexual scenes with pyramid head. Why?
@@marianodenisvega4323 they only removed one. The scene before the boss fight. And honestly what Bloober did made way more sense. Pyramid Heads only goal is to kill James’ monsters and show James his reality. He’s a butcher. Showing him kill monsters instead of eating their ass makes more sense.
@@snakeeater6738 No, he is not that smart. He is not a guide, only James's impulses given flesh.
@@snakeeater6738 Eating ass give him that animalistic vibe. That, and his tongue were removed.
@@marianodenisvega4323 dude what? PH’s is the manifestation of James’ guilt. Everyone knows that. His entire purpose is to show James the reality of what he’s done. Which is why he kills Maria and why he kills monsters.
I love the original SH2 ❤
original is still sooooo much more eerie
Naaaa
@@RiterDias It's true, original PS2 was superior. "Remake" is complete trash. 🤡
@@XenogearsForeverhave you played the remake?
Original is more scary and it has more deep feel.. just like that close up space with PH, in the building, where they left trough water sewage.. it's actually even more close to lore, than when he left the building...
so Eddie became literally a psychopath from dead rising imo 🤔
Dead Rising wasnt a thing when SH2 was made.
Hopefully you realize that Silent Hill 2 was ahead of it's time even before Dead Rising made all it's characters.
While other characters fight their inner monsters, Eddie himself *is* the monster.
I always thought this lol
Call me crazy, the remake is interesting, and it does have improvements, but it feels more “timid” than the original,
like they said, “look how good the aesthetic changes are”, but at the same time they made it less visual, it looks better, yes, but it feels more decaffeinated.
I do think they improved most of the boss fights honestly, however, i always loved the way pyramid head just walks off into the water in the og, opening a giant door just isnt as unsettling
kinda sad to see them take out stuff.
I think people should experience Silent Hill 2 remake first before judging from these scenes, it's quite a masterful adaptation. That being said, the limited controls in the original made Pyramid Head scarier. Whereas as a woman, I definitely thought that Abstract Daddy in the remake was even more horrifying.
It's funny how modern developers desperately remove all sexual subtext from the game. When the original story is based on it.
I am seeing a lot of sexual subtext in the remake
@@hemogoblin69 what you saw is only the part left from the original, a lot was either removed or smoothed out. The developers were obviously very afraid that they would be accused of objectifying women or something like that, it was not for nothing that they turned to the consulting company "sweet babies" for help.
Could you please point out a couple of instances of that? I didn't get to play the remake yet.
What nonsense. Nothing was removed. I player tge original many times. The only thing that was SLIGHTLY less graphic was Pyramid Head with the manequins.
Sweet baby inc doing
From an artistic perspective, both hold up in their own ways with different deliveries, but the remake plays better (despite frame rate stutters, but that can be fixed). I’m just happy to see that a remake was made and another may be made soon because of the success
piramid boy eat cake? 🗿
I really don't like pyramid head moving, he doesn't look ominous or creepy, just some weird huge monster with the knife, but not a damn king of the personal hell.
The old PS1, PS2 games had almost auto aim on. You just shot straight into enemies without actually aiming.
I'm really glad the remake gives you the actually ability to shoot usefully.
That's the minimum they can do considering they don't have the and hardware limitation
Gotta time your dodges/rolls precisely or pyramid head will cut you with his anime blade
Uncensored version on release when?
I didnt realize how much grimier the original was. I wonder why they made it look so much cleaner
the sound design is incredible in the remake!
SH2 remake is good but the original one was a masterpiece
Both look amazing and I especially like the redesign of the abstract daddy fight but I do have to say the limited graphics of the orignal do add to the eeryness of the enemies.
seeing this, showed me i am not blind by nostalgic feelings.... i love the old camera angles so much more...i am photo and videographer and a great disturbing view could do so much more then this "boring over shoulder each game has crap" view.
Someone should make a mod where james tells eddie "the town is full of monsters, how are you sitting here and eating pizza"
Nice both and the remake is beautiful! 😍
This seems to be an Ocarina of Time 3D situation, where the gameplay is better, but some of the atmosphere is lost thanks to newer and cleaner visuals.
Original seems better to me
I prefer the voice acting of Angela, Eddy in the Original. Probably prefer Mary's voice acting in the Original too.
The OG voices were all terrible, flat, and no emotion
Why does Maria boss suddenly become a goth chick in remake
What's bad with goth chicks lol?
It's just me or the old version look creepier than the new one ?
Abstract daddy character model was kinda disappointing
I see were Bloober Team wanted to go, changing Maria outfit, changin the "see I'm warmth" scene, changing first and second encounter with PH... Those guy were just afraid of "modern audiences" acussing them or some of that shit people from those circles like to do
At least they delivered the message and the really interested will go and play the original game
Hopefully modders who actually care about the message of the game will fix those changes.
The original James goes more with the story, he has a depraved face
The new version looks too clean
They sure went overboard with Eddie's design. They just missed making his baseball cap red and have him screaming "MILLIONS MUST DI-!" as his dying words.
The bosses are much better in the original in every aspect with the exception of Eddie that was fantastic in the remake, eveything else the original was just much more atmospheric.
The room of Angela boss fight is opressive in the original in the remake is just a series of generic rooms to yoyu run around.
The boss rooms and the introduction of the bosses is just so good in the original that remake feel just cheap.
Why did they replace the Abstract Daddy room? The remake room looks like a generic arena whereas the original room was creepy and haunting because of the implications.
They didnt.
Just made different into advanced combat.
Those things on wall exist.
@@SeriousDragonify they did. The original room was very claustrophobic and too close-quarters-ish. It implies something… The small room was obviously a child’s room hence why it was small. The remake looks like it has a lot of breathing room, probably to accommodate the new fighting and dodging mechanics when facing off against the Abstract Daddy. The original was so small that you can see Angela huddling in the corner afraid.
The original room was just a boring room full of "sexual subtexts", not at all subtle. In short, a boring place in terms of gameplay and really in thematic setting.
The new one is undoubtedly a noticeable improvement in visual language, lore and playability. We see Angela's house being destroyed and burned as we advance in the game, Abstract Daddy looks more and more burned due to what Angela did in the house and it doesn't help that as we advance through the house we hear Thomas Orosco say disgusting things insinuating what he said to his daughter.
Also the enemy improves noticeably because Abstract Daddy grabs you and doesn't let go, making you feel how Angela must have felt at the time.
Saying that the original was better is undoubtedly the fault of nostalgia. All bosses in the original were quite poor, either due to the limitations of the time or any decision, I'm glad that bloober realized that we are in 2024 and we have advanced in terms of playability.
@@barricadedpurifier They literally have a super narrow closet with a blanket which implies a child had to stay in there. And they have the holes and things on the ceiling doing a thrusting motion. Just because they have no cyliners going moving inside holes does not mean it is not there. Abstract Daddy, the literal walking bed with two people on it is also still there.
@@Cetra29 Not talking about the holes. If you read my other reply, I was talking about the “arena.” I liked how tight spaced and claustrophobic the original was. I missed how on the bottom of the screen, you can see her there. I’m saying that it was probably changed to be more spacious to accommodate the new combat mechanics.
Those are two different games. Look at this like it was between the first game and shattered memories
Much censorship and loss of essence
Eddie’s fight in Remake was actually much creepier, like my God, ITS SO DARK! Thank God at my first playthrough I decided to turn off radio the moment I got it. With it turned off it actually helped me hear his running step not to mention there is next phase by him shooting pipe to create gas noise and then moving the meat pieces on final phase
Nothing beats the original but I do like the remake ! They did great :) long time silent hill fan here
Old version is way, way better. Better atmosphere, gameplay, camera angles and OST. On the remake it looks like a Resident Clone with over the shoulder camera angle, heavy on action and a shit load of enemies making the survival part of the game non-existent. Now go ahead and call me a boomer normies.
I agree with you in everything
I think all bosses looks great except for Abstract Daddy, actually looks kinda low quality and they did not succes to replace the atmosphere that the fixed camera gave at the original. Also, was disapointing the scenario in the first fight with Pyramid Head, quite generic, the original was simple but unique and I don't understand why they removed pyramid head fucking the mannequin on the cutscene of the fight.
for the same reason that all the characters were made less sexy.
The original creators said that pyramid head never did anything like that
They did not remove anything because he never did that to begin with. Do not copy youtube lore videos. Copy Masahiro Ito.
@@Cetra29 I've played the original couple of times, if Masahiro Ito said that I don't know, I'm just saying what I saw
@@SergeyGordienko what is the reason?
The moment when Eddie cry "CORPS CAN'T LAUGH" during shots is incredible. Really shows how this guy is mad because of his psychological problems.
i am almost certain anyone hating on the remake for being inferior to the original SH2 has played neither or gets all of their experience from a youtube video that showcases a couple minutes of a boss fight instead of the whole thing.
the remake is definitely an improvement on the original. i admit some faults in the gameplay are present but for me, this is the definitive way to experience the story of silent hill 2.
you're a moron who never got the appeal of the og
Original is still much better
It's amazing to me how few people/players ever shoot the hanging hand from the Flesh Lip boss.
I still prefer the original. The combat in the Remake is too action-packed. The areas where you fight bosses are too spacious. They don't convey that claustrophobia, that feeling of being in danger with something you don't even know what it is in a small space. And what really gets me about the Remake is the voices of the characters. They sound dead. There's no emotion. Eddie is the best in that sense. Angela and James are zombies. I don't like it at all 😐.
Voice acting is better than the original. James was upgraded a lot, he feels more real and not like a goofball with bad voice acting.
nostalgia strikes again
I prefer the original, but adore the remake. It isn't perfect, but they pretty much did it justice, which is kinda rare in remakes.
Eddie's face is not as expressive as the original.
great game. glad games like this still come around
if you love Resident evil go play it XD, They are different worlds. Period ;) Just finished the game and i can say is a 10/10.
couldnt agree more, initially thought the game was gonna suck, but changed my view aftering completing the game on normal difficulty, truly a masterpiece
Forget that the new generations that play or played the most recent Resident Evil (Re8, Re2 and 4 remake) never played Silent Hill or practically any other Survival Horror from the golden age of PS2 (Fatal Frame, Alone in The Dark or Clocktower).
It's supposed to be silent Hill, not resident evil
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 Just exit your RE mind man, you can't compare one game with another if you don't understand both history lines. I love RE and i didnt even think about it while playing SH2R 👌🏻
In the remake:
- Eddie goes down with one jab during cutscene.
- Eddie keeps running around after getting repeatedly blasted by a shotgun.
🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Jab > Shotgun, Rifle
@@rustyth3575 the fist is mightier than the shotgun
Ah yes the mighty James punch the only thing pyramid head truly fears
ikr it's almost like i'ts fiction or some videogame sh1t, weird.
@@Kel_po i know, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight??!?!
The camera angels used for the remake cutscenes aren’t very imaginative.
Also the background is insanely dark which makes it look like the characters are hanging out in the void.
OG Pyramid Head scene was 😳😳😳😳😳
I'm sorry sometimes nostalgia becomes blinding. People are saying the original is still better because of the limitations and the fidelity? The atmosphere, characterization and themes have all been enhanced and amplified by modern systems. The OG is good but playing this feels just as sinister if not more so because they are mocapped. Maybe remakes need to die if this is what's going to happen every time no matter the effort put in.
I bet no one saw that boss from SH3 coming 😅😂
man they really did modernize Pyramid head, James doesnt even call Laura a stupid brat lmao
I know its annoying/ said a billion times but that Ps2 pyramid head scene is so fucking freaky. I know we can't do anything risqué 'these days' even if its only implied ...but its still so effective. I know they didnt change too much in the ph intro scene in the remake and even added some cool edits (I love ph's 'reaction' to getting 'shot', its definitely a good kind of odd).
I really love the remake a lot! I just get so irritated by Ph's 'freak erasure' -- id bet my hat its a konami or playstation corporate note. They'd rather have him standing around looking like a funko pop
Some of my fave edits have to be the Flesh lip fight however! feels like an actual fight in the remake instead of 2 assets just sitting there. The diffnt phases were a crazy good surprise
Here we go, RE2 remake discussions all over again.
Happens with every remake. Things are a clear improvement and people still hate it.
@@snakeeater6738graphics improvement doesnt = better game .. thats all this remake had to offer in the grand scheme of things, and the OG graphics were a huge part of the games unique atmosphere and charm. not hard to get why people dont care for the remake
@@babysam3768you are so out of Touch from reality saying "not hard to get why people dont care for the remake" meanwhile it Sold over a Millionen now and blooper said they think of making more silent hill games through the success of it. Kinda sad how "Fans" like you from the original arent able to truly appreciate this awesome remake in its entirety. I bet 100% u didnt played the remake at all or didnt played it till the end. It is such a improvement of so many things. The Boss fights arent anymore just running to the corner and snail pyramid head is comming at you while you shoot invisible bullets at him while just standing. Its way more Dynamic now. People like you really dont appreciate things for a stubborn reason.
@@babysam3768 "people don't care about the remake" wtf dude 🤣there are a lot more people who love it than those who “don't care” but obviously, the critics make more noise.
@@BlankBlank-b8x you literally cut off the first half of my sentence lmao. I said NOT HARD TO GET WHY people don’t care for it. I didn’t say nobody cares for it. Reading comprehension.
The way how SH2 remake transitions from boss fight to cutscene is not smooth at all, especially the Abstract Daddy.. you're fighting it in a secluded space with a giant fan blocking the path then when it dies, it goes back to Angela's room. Wtf? They did a half assed job
Why couldn’t they keep the old dialogue, I got a mini headache when I was looking left and right constantly with the subtitles lol
Even if this remake was amazing, you can't beat the iconic original. Some of the cutscenes and voice acting were much better in the original.
Voice acting? Really?
Bro
the same thing can be said about the remake lmao; people always treating the original games like they were flawless
@@The-Deaditethat’s what I’m saying. I’m tired of these cornballs just blatantly lying. The voice acting was bad in the og.
😮 nop
I think fans of the remake getting triggered by original fans giving fair criticism to the remake are more insufferable than the OG fans who prefer the original because of nostalgia. If he prefers the original VA, let him live...
PS2 FTW.
Se ve más tétrico en el original por la ambientación y la sangre
Thanks for the video comparison. Still, no matter how hard you look at it, the remake came out worse compared to the original. I'm not a fan of super dume realistic graphics or easy controls. I'm not a gamer neither. However, thanks to the internet, I can look at these games from all angles without even going into them once.
Silent Hill 2 is a game with depth, not just in the story, but in everything. The voice actors have character and not just for their lines, but the voice itself. Their voices are distinctive and interesting. The mimicry of the characters has also gotten worse. It's flat. It was painful for me to look at Angela. The moment where she spills out all the emotions she has accumulated over the years of humiliation, violence and abuse - nothing. In the original, thanks to the composition of the frame and the lighting with strong shadows, everything is much more palpable. There I can feel her pain through absolutely everything. To remove the sexual overtones from the same monsters was extremely inappropriate, as far as I'm concerned. After all, that was part of the story. Something that added clues to reveal the characters' problems.
It's not just about one moment. It's about everything. The remake stupidly lost all the depth and fear, creating only a beautiful cover and that is for the amateur. Now everything is so cleaned up that there is nothing to look at.
I'm just sad about it all.
I agree, for example the legendarny scene "anyway" with maria is much better directed in OG. The emotions anger and frustration on Maria face is better done in the original than remake in this particular scene
yes the remake feels sanitized and over produced.. I cant watch the cutscenes without constantly being aware of the painfully forced voice acting trying to sound raw and emotional
"DAMN, THAT FAT BOI GOT HANDS!"
people complain about everything. This remake was awesome better in many ways even the creator loves it.
El clasico tiene mejores dialogoa
Can't have nothing remotely sexual in our 18+ games.
Been playing the remake of SH2 and must admit I think its amazing.. its creepy and the puzzles and gameplay is great. Compared to RE4 remake this is way better in my opinion. The bosses look twisted unlike the giant tumours with heads in RE4
It’s just too clean now.
I would LOVE the DLC to have Angela going through Silent Hill as well as Born from a Wish, I really want to play her silent hill
La intensidad que le daban los actores de voz del original era mejor pero el remaje esta bastante bien dejando eso y la censura
no hay censura en el remake, si acaso faltó una escena pero todo está como es jajaja, y sobre todo en la pelea de abstract daddy en el remake es mas explicito porque se escucha la voz del papá de angela mientras le hacia las cosas horrendas
Justo eso, esa pelea es mucho mejor en el remake, te da mucho mejor contexto del lore de Angela, las vivencias del padre, los papeles del caso pegados en la pared, ver la casa de Ángela y cómo al ir avanzando la pelea se va quemando más y más cómo ella lo hizo al matar a su padre. Y la pelea de Eddie también es mejor, en el original ni lo sentías cómo una amenaza y en el remake se siente cómo si realmente te acechara un psicópata.
@@onlinegirlieemuy seguramente no puede jugarlo y por eso dice tremendas barbaridades
Abstract daddy room is much better in the original. Apart from that I like the remake.
Remakes bosses are nice. Just wish it wasn't aimed at "Modern audiences" Also the og did some scenes better. The elevator when maria dies, In the remake he just moves on where, The OG he gave up and was in despair which was way more impactful. It's like a 6/10 after goin back through.
The original feels like a horrible nightmare, the new one like a typical modern horror game. Proof that master pieces can be made only one time and my accident.
Remake is only good nothing more. Original was first and remake is only reinterpretation of original.
Kinda middle finger to them, we been trying to help them ,why they so mean to us..........
Bruh you skipped the part where James screams in the remake 😅
Oh I bet the skin swap for eddie to jimmy desanta already been made.
Remake is better
Not only the bosses are better but the normal enemies are better too. In the remake mannequins hide and ambush you and the nurses even counter attack
Better and scarier than the original
Nah
@@carrieroflight5633 Nah you
😂 Sweet baby better
Based
Agreed, the enemies aren't a bunch of norons. You actually need to use some braincells to deal with them.
I thought - knowing Konami and how they operate - they would just make the game look good and would be literally the same gameplay as the original. I'm surprised and glad I was wrong.
Yall can have your own opinions but Eddie is by far wayyyyy better in the remake. I can actually empathize with him and felt sad when he went to a point of no return.
Sure is uglier that's for sure...
No
Yes it is
So?
They made Eddie into a kind of kid with that attitude?
What was the point of censure it and just made him a psychopath?
He was that, that's the point of how he acts there
Konami is afraid that they'll get shamed on by the woke community or the basement dweller degenerates on twitter/reddit, which is understandable cause they're trying to make a comeback after giving slop after slop quality of games.
The original is still so much better.
I don't blame you for just being able to play the remake on youtube
Silent evil 2
Except some aspects of gameplay, SH is a totally different game!
Bruh A joke from a 15-year-old boy
Obscure deserves a remake
Pyramid Head 100/10 he can still get it. ❤
You girls are weird 😂