Surf Fishing: Why Use a Conventional Fishing Reel Vs Spinning Reel?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 พ.ค. 2024
- How do you cast further to catch more fish? The answer for many is to switch from a spinning reel to a convention reel to increase the distance of your cast. I wanted to see if a conventional fishing reel really CAN help me cast farther to get more fish! Let’s test it out and see! Have you ever used a conventional fishing reel? Comment below!
This week, I am on the beach in Florida with Erin, my dad, my mom, and Erin’s sister, Emma. We are hoping to have a pretty chill day on the beach and maybe catch a few fish while I’m testing out my conventional reel. Any day spent outside by the water is a good day to me. What kind of fishing gear/ bait/ techniques do you want me to try next? Comment below!
0:00 Intro
3:26 Baiting Up
4:37 The Technique
5:20 Let's catch some fish!
14:47 Conclusion
16:01 CATCH N COOK!
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awesome video. so cool to see you guys exploring new ways on fishing haha i've tried overhead surf fishing before and tbh while i did enjoy using it, i didn't find it too practical as you had to pay lot of attention to it. my overhead reel was a penn squall 15. great reel but in the end i found spin with long cast spools to be far easier haha. if i was to use a spin for long distances casting i would recommend the shimano ultegra anyday.
Look at this guy - he a grown man now all grown up . Good to see you bro
Love the catch and cook! More of those vids!
I really love my baitcaster rig in the surf for lures and soft plastics. I got an Abu Garcia black max combo last Christmas but the rod was only 5'6 it only gives me a limited casting distance. I'll keep that rod for when I get a kayak but I'm ordering a Abu Garcia veritas 7'9 rod to use with the Black Max reel in the surf. I'll always have my 10' and 12' spinning surf rods for beach bait fishing, however I feel the longer baitcaster will be a lot mote fun with lures and plastics in the surf and estuaries. Only started fishing at xmas 2020, loving it so much. The collection is up to 6 rod and reels so far. Love your videos man. Fish on, fish hard bro
My guy said ceveche !! enjoyed the vod dude cheers from Az lines tight bruh 👌😎
I love my Penn spinning reels. Super versatile, bombproof, and budget-friendly.
The penn spin fisher is my go to for fast lures on the pier. Try the shimano spheros if you do a lot of surf fishing. It has the loudest clicker out of all the spinning reels I've seen
@@adamthomas4462 I use a Penn fierce 3 mostly for Sturgeon fishing. Works pretty good for casting 6+ oz of lead from shore. It's a very heavy reel so I don't think I'd want to cast with it all day but for soaking baits it's awesome
@@dandenrode nice man! I haven't tried the firece line yet. I think at this point if I buy any more reels I'll be sleeping in the garage 🤣😂
@@adamthomas4462 there really isn't any need to own any of the others. The persuit, fierce and battle are all built off the same platform. All their parts can be swapped between reels and the only major difference is what material the shell is made of.
@@dandenrode yeah good point! The only spinning reels I currently own are the daiwa bg 5000 series a shimano spheros and uhhh some kastking reel I got for cheap on Amazon. Oh yeah, the sharky II baitfeeder. It has actually held up well tbh
While at the OBX, I use my spinners left and right and the casting rod to play with as well. Still steep in the learning curve.
Like your vids.
It's all a personal choice. Will never want to use those "conventional" reels again, tried way too many times and tbh, never got used to them. Never felt comfortable when casting or reeling in a fish.
But then again, never been big game fishing etc where you have to use them.
Liked the video, it actually gives me an open mind to one day buy another one and use it on the boat, that could work in combination with what I already have. idk.
Thanks.
Cheers.
I like your videos. You are very Knowledgeable. I have a small Garcia reel that I bird nested real bad but once I learned how to set it and use my thumb for the brake much happier. It does have the bar that goes back and forth when reeling in the line.
you can be a good teacher, whatever topic you choose, cause your way of explanation is awesome
Why would someone dislike these videos!! 🤷🏻♂️ this guy is a genius!!💯💯💯
Haters need no reason
Because Skipper just exposed their secret
Great video. I always use an ABU 9000 2 speed conventional reel in the surf in Australia
Glad you brought your mom and dad very nice !!
Nice vid. I remember as a kid in NJ using a Penn Long Beach. Bird's nests were the rule rather than the exception. Most anglers don't have the patience to use a conventional reel, and use spinning reels exclusively nowadays.
I’m excited to use mine. I got a Penn squall star drag casting special matched it up with a slimecat medium
The key is to use at least 3' of line hanging from the rod tip when surf casting. This reduces spool startup speed which lowers the chance for backlashes and leads to increased distance. On baitcasters I use at least 2' of line when distance casting. Tight lines out there!
Good advice, the other key,is lots of practice,,,,,,do not be intimidated, but yeah,conventional reels have ruled forever, for good reason.
I think you’ll find The length required is directly governed by the rod action vs weight and speed being cast
Thx for the tips yall
Lengthen the drop to 8' which slows down the cast even more. Then cast off-ground or pendulum, compressing the rod. An overhead cast doesn't load the rod properly which causes the tip to straighten to soon. This causes a surge at the reel and leads to birdsnests.
Awesome beach fishing + catch and cook is the best!!
I like your technique, very easy, thanks Brother 👍
Good fishing 🎣 Man 🤗💕💕💕
Really enjoy your vids, very educational.
Nice video. I like the enthusiasm, well presented. A lot of people get intimidated learning how to throw a baitcaster. There is a learning curve and it takes a bit of time and practice but it can be VERY rewarding when it all comes together. A couple of tips. When laying down the line, it is important to lay down the line evenly AND to keep the line lay consistent. Try this, when cranking in, count the number of handle turns you take per pass (left to right or vice versa) and try to keep this close to the same every time. On a 656 size reel this is about 6 turns per pass. On a 666 or 757 size try about 7 turns per pass. On the actual cast you are leaving a lot of distance on the table by being right arm dominate. Focus on a complete pull with the left (all the way to the left side of your chest) allowing the right to act as a fulcrum point as you "punch". The pull is where most lose power. Also "LOOK UP" to your target which is 45 deg above the horizon over the desired splashdown spot. Again, well done as this will help others get past the stigma of baitcasting reels!
Thanks for the advice, Tommy.
Do you think they'll ever make conventional reels like a baitcaster so you don't have to manually layer the line as you're reeling in. When that day comes, I think I'll stop using spinning reels altogether.
No one knows better than Tommy!
@@badass.bob1 there are levelwind conventional reels but they reduce your casting distance as the line does not flow as smooth as non-levelwind conventional reels
If levelwind works only with line retrieve that would be a different level in conventional reels praticality , so far they’r not for me.
I had watched your videos for a long time and you surprise me with the addition of a casting reel. As a
very old user of this type of reel let me recommend you try to get an Abu Garcia 6500 C3. This reel is made in Sweden and is the longest I have used. Combined with a 10' or 11' fast rod you can cover a lot of water with the added benefit of not having to take care about how the line is leveled on the reel.
I have been outcasting my friends for years using this reel. One caveat: use mono line because the braid lane does not "mix well" with the level winder. I normally use Trilene XT in 17 lb. Good luck and Happy Fishing...
For the surf use the alvey side cast reel it is a really big thing in Australia and alot of people use them for tailor/ bluefish
I like this new idea, catch ,clean ,cook awesome !
Brandon, if you wrap your left thumb at the first knuckle with some flexible tape, you won’t need to fingers to guide your line back onto the conventional reel, the tape will protect your thumb from line cut and you can just move your thumb back and forth over the reel
or just stick with mono...on conventional i'm not sold braid makes any difference in casting. hasn't on mine so far.
We kind of figured this out after using it a few more times! Thanks for the tip.
Awesome catch and cook guys. Always enjoy your videos. Be Safe.
Thank you so much!
The Akios 656 gets amazing distance and is good for fish up to about 40 lb. Other good ones are the Penn Fathom II and Squall II Casting Specials, and the Avets -- the SX and MXL with magnetic braking (MC)
Back when I was a kid, everyone used a Penn reel (conventional) for surf fishing. I still do and it blows people's minds.
I like the spinning reels, too. Especially the super-big ones with the huge bail. The line seems to unload better.
Garcia pro rocket FTW, such a pleasurable experience and little to no line twist! Always have spinning on had for da old lady and friends though
Thank You so very much for the great video!!
With the most Sincere due respect, what you're referring to as a "Conventional Reel", here in the Northwestern U.S. and British Columbia Canada, Salmon and Steelhead anglers, call them "Baitcasting" Reels (including the Bass, Catfish and Sturgeon anglers).
I'm a retired Fish Pathologist in the Pacific Northwest and presently an Outdoor and Science writer (formerly a Columnist and Contributing Science editor for the largest Fish Culture Magazine). I also do some very limited guiding for Pacific Salmon, Steelhead and Sea-Run Cutthroat trout). Since we're 10 minutes from the Ocean, I also fish for non anadromous Ocean species, such as Lingcod, Rock fishes. I began fishing for landlocked Brown Trout (Salmon trutta), at 3 years of age (in the late 50s?). Later as a teenager I fished for the Huge anadromous Brown Trout in Caspian Sea tributaries.. Also whenever I had the opportunity, I fished for the largest Sturgeon on Earth (the Beluga), In Caspian Sea!! Sometimes, even less commonly, I fished the Persian Gulf, for GT (Giant Trevally), and Very limited Angling for Billfish (Marlin). Unfortunately due to a Serious problem with motion sickness in the Sea (both Caspian Sea and Persian Gulf), I avoided fishing in the Sea from a boat!!
Please forgive my errors, as I'm typing this on a very cheap phone without my glasses 🤓
Always love your videos bro! Fyi here in NY what you call a bluefish we call a snapper, we dont call them blues until they are atleast 20inch or better..
Hey there skipper i always watching your videos. Watching from the philipines. Nice i like your spinning reel stella 5000series its beautiful
Avets are really great for fishing very durable we use them here in Texas the can cast a mile as well no need to clean them either I’ve seen guys go years with no maintenance and still work like the first day and there very beautiful
Avets are legit
Love avet reels would like to get one one of these days
You should look into avet reel - raptors as well. They are good reels with lots of power. Keep up the great content!!
Tommy Farmer’s Carolina Cast Pro rods are incredibly good! Also the Penn Fathom 2 sdcs will get the job done.
I want to see you use a Alvey reel ....keep up the great vids you two
Thanks for tip bro god bless you and your family
My classic Stella! 👌
Total beginner here in Thailand so will check out your e-books
I suggest that you do not "bring the momentum forward," but rather pull down hard and fast with your left hand. Your right hand should be your fulcrum point. Use the magnetic spool brake to slow it as it comes down the arc, open it up and use your thumb to slow the spool, your cast will go much further.
@Bernardo right hand is more like a javelin throw with an extended arm behind you until it's just above your shoulder (about where your hand would be if you were serving in tennis) then with it just in front of you, pull down very hard and fast with your left hand. It needs to be a smooth motion or you will get a severe backlash. Be looking and Release at about 11:00. There are lots of vids. Try Tommy Farmer's videos--there are many others, but he is very good.
@Bernardo check out beach bomber fishing on TH-cam. He's by far my favorite. Go back and watch his older stuff too. I've been fishing all my life (37 years) and I still learn new stuff. Not just from beach bomber but from skipper too and several others
@Bernardo Donna's explanation is pretty spot on as well. Think like you're throwing a javelin and not letting go. Once you practice more you'll get a better feel for it and you'll know exactly when to release and your bait will soar out there. I recommend buying some super cheap mono for practicing because you're gonna get backlash and may have to cut your line.. Hell I've been using casting reels for over a decade and I still get em sometimes. Shit happens lol
Right arm is definitely not a fulcrum point... It's the main driver of the cast.
But both arms have their role.
In addition to that, tighten the brakes a bit more, then you can really chuck it as hard as you want.
I've had a 15' spinning, casting and Alvi sidecast .
I like to use plugs or lures.
I think they are about the same .
I am currently using a casting reel .
I gotta try this one day
We use conventional reels in Hawaii to cast our 13 foot ulua poles. We usually load it with mono 80lb and up top it off with a shock leader. We wet the line to prevent line burns as we use our thumb as a break to prevent birds nest. Most of the shore casters use Penn 4/0 to 9/0.
bingo
Would love to come fishing with you!
Gotta come out to Hawaii! Hit the warm waters with your ohana, let me know I’ll give you folks the special tour!! 😎😎😎🎣🎣🎣
It's called the levelwind. And yes, you have to guide the line across the spool. Nice video bud! Keep em coming!
In levelwinds you don't have to guide the line across the spool, that's an open face reel
I use both " depending on the scenario in the situation and location, but I grew up casting a 4/0 penn the key to no bird nesting" ( thumb drag ) before it hits the water, I think that's why most people use a spinning reel, setting the spool drag helps the noobs
Looks like fun guys! Also looked like a beautiful day on a beach. I have to find a beach that’s not crowded to go back to beach fishing!
Hmm where is your favorite place?
daiwa saltist 20s and 30s with 12-13 foot rod for all my surf bait rods. 10 foot spinners for lures and spoons in s.texas
That looks very good with all the veg. Even looks like you put some Avocado too~~mmm
In the U.K. we call them fixed spool reels not spinning reels, spinning reels are a specific type of fixed spool & the conventional reel we call multipliers, you can but the multipliers with built in level wind.
Awsome video very helpful.
Hey man I met you tonight at the skyway and I gotta say it was awesome meeting you.I wouldn’t mind fishing with you one day and learn a few things from a pro if your around again anytime let me know.
Nice Casting!!Goooooood fishing video👏👍🏼🎣
Nice Pompano catch BTW!
I got a vintage Abu Garcia 7000 ambasseduer on a 10' 2pc 8-12kg Shimano Speedmaster rod today 😊
For big fish I always use reels! If you cn master yourself how to use them you are a winner! No spinning reel can beat a multi reel when it comes to dragg and the amount of force you can give them!
Great reel great video thanks
Hey bro don't use the brakes set it zero, use your thumb for feel, just as soon as its about to hit the water use that thumb, you will get further distance.
That’s true but with wind it doesn’t always work out that way.
@@HeySkipper practice thats all it takes, plus I use mono instead of braid.
@@HeySkipperI agree with you. I've used "the new braid" ever since they became available, but also, I've used Baitcasting Reels (with or without a level wind), since the mid 60s! Before 8 strand Power Pro, I used Braided Dacron, with a mono bumper. My main forte' is Pacific Salmon and Steelhead (genus Oncorhynchus). Thanks again!!
hey skipper is a chef too awesome. bon apetite
Love my Torium 30
I can use a conventional tackle but I am more comfortable with spinning tackle thanks 🐟
Bro those akios are so dope. Gonna get one this year. Other than that I recommend penn squalls or daiwa saltists
I got a Squall 12, older model tho, i think its the OG squall (not Squall II)
Too broke to buy a bits box but the vacation is still on. Can't wait to go fishing in Florida
@@rkw221 that sounds like a great idea. I'll try to make some myself after i get back. I'm more wanting to try the squid and shrimp since thats the only bait i typically use.
Just some info that those that have never used a 'baitcaster' before (that IS what this 'conventional' reel is, for all intents and purposes in this video). The right side adjustment, tensioner, removes 'slack' from the reel axle to stop side play. it can also be tightened (do not over tighten) to prevent backlashing that occurs at the BEGINNING of the cast. Typically, you adjust the tensioner so your lure/bait fall slowly (before casting).
The 'braking' (be it magents, friction pins, centrifugal) slows the spool near the END of the cast when the lure/bait slow down as they lose energy during 'flight'. This helps prevent backlashing near the END of the cast if the spool is 'spinning' faster than the line is peeling off it (as the lure/bait slows).
The rule of thumb is, right side for the beginning of the cast (tensioner), left side for the end of the cast (braking). And adjust the braking for 'wind'...more into the wind, less with the wind.
And remember, the third and most important brake for baitcasters, YOUR THUMB. Both tensioner and brake are SET in a position, ONLY your thumb is 'dynamic' during your cast. You can apply and release thumb pressure during your cast.
RE: the 'conventional casts farther'...I don't know anyone that would say a baitcaster casts farther than a spinning rig. Given that spinning rigs don't have 'tensioners' or 'brakes' to slow down the line feeding off the spool (and nearly EVERY baitcaster HAS to have some kind of 'braking' even if its just your thumb) I don't know how a baitcaster could cast farther (unless you forego ANY braking at all...then a birds nest will JERK your lure/bait to a stop anyway and WAY short of any distance).
Personally, I fish off shore with my Penn10 (20lb) on an 8.5ft Med. rod and have NO issues with distance. I can cast just as far as my (though not really adequate for the target fish) spinning rigs (max. 15lb. line on 7ft. MH rods). But that's NOT 'surf fishing', it's shore fishing. Salmon runs, flounder (and damn crabs/clams that keep taking my bait). But I have ALWAYS been able to outcast (distance) my baitcaster using my spinning rigs (every thing being equal other than reels).
I easily cast further with my conventional reels. The world record longest casts are consistently done on conventional reels. Keep in mind, skill is required to do so.
A trick I learned when casting a conventional real is is to tie surgical tubing Around the rod handle and use it To pressure thumb against the real For friction and farther Cass Also after a while your thumb will start to Develop blisters From repeated casting So that surgical tubing really helps
I use an archery thumb protector.
If you use braid on your spinning reel , you can get very similar results without the worry if getting a birds nest👍
Tight lines, and let’s see some M terps, while you’re down here in the sunshine state !
Wanna see the keys and jumbo shrimp go ?
Awesome video. Do u service your reels yourself? How do you service these reels when sand gets into the moving parts?
Just Subscribed. The video was great.
Nice, commenting at 9:45, both reel types have their own advantages, for the conventional try getting a rod where the reel anchors to the lower end of the rod. Then the thumb braking and control you do on the inside/top side of the spool and not on the line. Then make a light fake cast and when you bring it back then you send it. Holding the rod with reel tilted at no more than 90 degrees on it's side at the point of casting bringing it to horizontal after despatching payload. Then if stuck in rocks/kelp always wrap line around rod and don't put tension on spool or drag system and slowly start moving backwards. Don't use spool bearing nuts as a braking system. Always ensure that spool release is on release when casting with a conventional real, because the amount of power you exert when casting is going to dislodge the rod and reel from your grip to cast out of your hands. A costly disaster if you are casting on a hard surface like rocks. When you practice start slow, go for release, line tension control ,accuracy and mastering of the cast. Then comes power and distance. More distance can be achieved by releasing some more line when one brings the rod back from the fake cast with intent, like /as one does with flyfishing adding a meter or two when casting. The latter requires that one has mastered the reel and casting with it. 15:38 Waist rod holders, and casting with the conventional reel is going to test your knots, line and your temperament. I would recommend a +/- 12 kg line, leader of your choice or required, a lighter sinker/weight line, so if it is stuck and you have hooked a fish, let the weight's line be the part that breaks. Then swivels, don't use tri just normal. Hook and main line to the top loop and weight line too bottom. The sliding rig you have shown in the past is also effective on sand /surf. On reefs less is more effective. Can you cast spinning rigs with conventional, yes, but not very light ones.
Been casting conventional fifty-some years. You share tips, here's a few for you, if you like; Ditch the magnetic braking and clutch the spool with your thumb instead. Like the difference between car's automatic or manual transmissions, the manual gives a more precise measure of control. And, if you rotate the rod 90 on it's longitudinal axis so the spool is riding on one bearing, rather than both, you get more distance for the duration of the cast. Sans level wind mechanisms (good for you), thumb alone will do it. Might be more comfortable. On the rare occasions when I do get a backlash. it's minor. Then, there's always some dork standing right behind me saying, 'You see, that's why I use spinning gear.'. But he's not even fishing today. He's only there for commentary purposes. Uhh, okay...
I Always use conventional gear, from long range to surf fishing for corbina. Down to about 6 lbs test. Fishing so cal.
Nice video. Two things I gotta' try now are conventional gear & seviche (spelling?).
Really nice fishing reel
Some folks can’t use conventional and I’ve fished and lived in NC for 67 years. I am 60% blind. If you can’t see well you can’t use a conventional reel. You have to know when that bait rig hits the water so you can use your thumb to stop the spool and avoid the backlash. When I lost my sight I sold my conventional baitcasters after being unable to cast effectively. The line guide is called the level-wind mechanism. After years and years with spinners I have no problem getting my rig where I need it. I wish I could use a conventional reel but you do what you have to. I use vintage Mitchell, Penn, Bretton, and Luxor PUM fishing reels some of which were made in the 1050s.I have 150 vintage surf spinning reels. Bail-less spinning reels can get very close to the distance of conventional reels. Bails just get in the way. Great Pompano!
I did not see it mentioned, but when trying to cast a heavier bait/sinker on a spinning real as far as you can, your fingers take a beating. Mine used to get cut up by the nylon. Thats the incentive to switch to a multiplying real. Much better option to cast a heavier bait far.
L❤️ve the intro
I love the food you prepaire,
I use a couple of ABU ambassadeur reels 5000 for light work & a 7000 for large catfish & gar in the Mississippi river
My favorite chunking set up is conventional. Effortless casts to 85 yards give or take. What a game changer. Awesome video!!
Best way to begin using a conventional set up for me was spooling it with 15-20lb mono till I got very comfy.
I can’t wait to chunk in the fall!
Level wind
I use both spinning tackle and casting tackle thanks
Hey Skipper, why not try a shimano or dawia surf reel in comparison to your casting reel and see what results get.
need to fill that spool big guy...you can be a lot more aggressive on the cast once you get the hang of a conventional.
i never have used a magnetic conventional it will be interesting to see your take. I fished them from surf for 0ver 40yrs and stil get the occasional birds nest. but i think you'l like t for getting out past the 2nd bar at least. you should be able to get at least 140-150yds out there once you get confidence to dial back the mag brake. fyi all conventionals have mechanical breaking to adjust that works the same way. it looks like the mag is easier to learn...???
Good catch! The fish are nice too (: y'all are cute!
Especially Erin
You should try an Alvey surf champion now that they're available over in America now.
Tight lines from down under 👍
We have them in South Africa too; for many years!, and Alvey bait suction/"prawn" pumps! 🙂
"Catch a big one!"
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usually only need a single finger to spool the reel and set the bait half way from the tip to the but of the rod and then cast with a lot of power not just a light swing (at least what it looked like). Also if you can try, get further into the beach when casting. Snapping the hit at the last moment is sufficient, but having a thorough strong fast snap cast can cast a little better with correct thumbing.
You should get a diawa saltist blue cause it is the best reel its something like the conventional reel but better you should try it out and I would suggest the 30 ha size
Great video thanks what type of hooks do you use I use circle hooks mostly 🐟
Thanks for info😎😎😎
very well made
So Cool and informative! Potty Mouth Mike, San Antonio, Tx
Met you at the pier in St. Pete I subscribed like I said I would but it was really awesome to meet you
What’s up man! Great to meet you too and thanks for the sub 👍🏼 you catch any good ones last night?
@@HeySkipper I hooked into a couple but no luck definitely going back soon
Do you tap on the aquarium glass?
Hammering the rod holders into the sand with a mallet is the same thing.
Your dad and wife pro fisher man and lady, your dad tought you well and you share the knowledge. Keep up the great work please. I wish i was on your team as well i am an amature. No equiptment just hook line and a bottle. I use straight hand line but i need a fishing rod spinsor me a rid you not using please.
Was hoping you would describe how to adjust the conventional reel for casting
Finally, I see you using multiplier reel. Pros n cons on both to be honest. One is not better or worst than the other. Loosen up that spool so there is a slight play, set mag to max...risk is just birdnest.. that's the fun... 😁😁😁
A helpful hint when surf fishing or pier fishing a conventional reel is WET it down before making the 1st cast :)
i just bought a stella after watching your videos and after seeing how much you love them...but im so scared to take it to the surf... so sad. can you briefly teach me what you do to maintain them....how you rinse/dry them after use? do you rinse them like you do in your "how to maintain your reels," video?
I totes PEEPED that technique!! 😸
I shall eat many a fish NAO!!
Ocean fishies, here I come!
Love the video, What Rod is that?
Bonjour, je regarde tes vidéo depuis un moment déjà. Je trouve qu'il y a de bon contenu et les vidéo très intéressante, car je pêche beaucoup en surfcasting. Mais c'est dommage qu'il n'y a pas de sous titrage en français pour mieux comprendre. Continue tu es super bonne continuation👍