Woke people have insulted, dismissed and mock gamers for so long, that many gamers don't want to have anything in their games that gives those woke people ammo to keep mocking them, not even a little pebble to trow, is simple.
Nope, most people don't give a damn, and the only ones crying are the snowflakes who can't enjoy a good game because they were "wronged". Same shit as woke people.
and congratulations, you've and the rest of the gaming community have become the hyper sensitive political crowd that you oh so despise. You dont fight fire with fire, all that does is just show the extreme hypocrisy in your side. I say this because people like you whom are just as loud and obnoxious as any of the SJWs online will soon come to face to people getting real tired of the same behavior. And this sort of thing is going to bite you in the ass just as much as the "woke" crowd is experiencing. So I guess enjoy your little baby tirades as long as you can because actual normal gamers who just dont give a shit about social politics will eventually call you out for the annoying side you've become.
@@Extil2 Its not choosing to ignore it when the outrage and argument is fucking dumb in the first place. I'll give you a reality check because you're so brain rotted of what your supposed to be angry about. You're supposed to be criticizing the actual writing. Not the fact that LGBT+, Minorities exist and are in a video game. So many people keep trying to defend themselves saying "I dont have an issue with x group but" and thats the problem there. You're being disingenous here because nobody whose sincere actually ever says stuff like this unless they're trying to conflict themselves. Ex. My problem with Dragon Age the Veilguard in terms of character writing is that the whole cast is awful and Taash is by far one of the worst implemented trans characters in a video game. But thats just it, I attack the writing, not the message. Video game writing has always been presented its messaging with basic human ideals and concepts for their narratives and it has always been about promoting social justice for a lot of em. The reason it works its because most writers in the past were smart on how they presented them. The fact that there was a scene were Taash had to educate characters about pronouns is so cringe that it breaks immersion. But Im not attacking that they're trans, Im attacking how this was treated and I leave it at that. I dont go around parading rage bait online and making fools out of an entire community just because of some individuals who misrepresent them. Imagine how fucking stupid it would be for me to be say "Anti-Black" or "Anti-White" because I had an annoying experience with one of them. Thats basically what you and Asmon and the whooooole anti-woke group is doing and its extremely insufferable. Face it. You lost the narrative and are just as bad as the whiny crybabies we used to criticize a few years back when the magic word was "SJW" instead of "woke. Dont fucking insult my intelligence. I'm not buying your bullshit
@atelierbagur3831 "people like you whom are just as loud and obnoxious as any of the SJWs". So you admit woke people are obnoxious and thats why me and gamers dont like them for that and not for the causes they pretend to fight for... thanks for your suport!! You calling me childish...fo what? Not liking being mocked...then you proceed to try and mock me without knowing me? I bet nobody who really knows you likes you because you are fast to act like this at the first sign of discomfort you experience from other people. Do i know you? Your whole post reeks like this behaviour.
I’ve been saying it for years. Just like there’s the w0k3 left. There’s also the w0k3 right. Neither of them are your friends. If you’re a gamer, you want absolutely nothing to do with either of them. Because they would both push for censorship if they got their way, and they would both wanna push their agenda.
@@The_Primary_Axiom There is no such thing as the 'w0k3 right' that doesnt even make any sense, woke is a left leaning ideology, you cannot be woke and on the right, the term you're talking about is a 'Puritan'.
Cringe. Giving the option to be gay doesn't make you gay. Being straight is a choice. Having a gay person want to fuck you doesn't make you gay. Pure common sense for people who touch grass regularly.
I for example really like Baldurs Gate 3 but the amount of times i saw a male npc talk about "my husband" was suspicious, i also think it is weird that not a single faction in the Game, nor a single character, speaks out against it. At least the Druid could have been like "No, i it is not our nature to do that" everyone universally accepts gayness in Faerun. Nothing but positivity concerning it and universal acceptance from anyone.
To be completely fair, this is a world were people can turn into literal dragons or in the games case a bear to do the deed. Dozens of religions with their own Gods (even blatantly evil gods) that all have their own tenets and views. Not to mention all the various things that want to destroy or rule the world, necromancy, the ability to revive people from death even if its been just shy of a century since it happened, etc. What your doing in the bedroom is probably the least of anyone's concern in that universe. I agree that there should be some people against it, but for the most part its irrelevant for most people in this world.
One other problem is that the media who trashed the first game are raving about this game. When we see the worst of the game industry praising a game, we automatically get suspicious.
That's fair assessment, but i argue that providing an option for gay sex only makes you gay if you accept. Henry, the historic character, probably didn't assassinate random townfolks to level his sneak skill. So it's safe to say that someone can roleplay being straight or gay. The controversy is just cringe overcorrection from woke gaming.
@@fedbia2003 So you're okay if they make Luke Skywalker or Geralt alphabet too, yes? Because Henry was confirmed to be nothing but an arrow in the first game, and now he's been retconned. And if you're okay with this retcon, then you're also okay if they added a doggo diddler option too, right?
@@Billy-bc8pk BRO GTFO HERE! YOU PLAY STAR CITIZEN AND THINK YOU HAVE ANY CHANCE TO CRITIQUE GAME CHOICES?! Bro, you're done. Cringe, incel, copium. This game is going to explode and you're going to look like a reject.
@@Billy-bc8pk No one from the studio ever said that. Wahrorse moderator Fusselpuli said it on the warhorse account, and he doesn't know anything about the KCD development, and since he was sad that there wouldn't be a same-sex romance in KCD I, he assumed it was Henry Strait.. But it wasn't an official statement.
Honestly. I hate woke shit as much as the next guy, but this game isn’t woke. I’m not even gonna engage with the gay shit in the game, I don’t consider it canon. You could be a psychopathic mass murderer in the first game, which isn’t canon. This is no different.
The game is 100% WOKE, stop denying it, I'm not saying that the game is going to be bad, opposite, it's probably good and even GOTY, but it's definitely has WOKE influence from Embracer studio that owns them.
@nikosi3643 100% woke? Nah bro. It’s 0.5% woke. Calm down. If it was woke, being gay would be the only option and would be glorified despite the 1403 setting. We all know that’s not going to be the case.
How do you explain a sub saharan? No you are right it's not woke at all they just added ghey and black into the game that they said previously would have neither. I get it bro I really want to play the game too but don't deny reality.
@bullythebooks the kingdom of Mali had established extensive trade routes up to Eastern Europe in the early 14th century. Even when they were in decline during the early 15th century, the trade routes existed, and letters between sub Saharan and Eastern Europeans existed during this timeframe. Besides, getting a black dude lynched on false evidence is woke now? Cry me a river. And judging by your name, you probably should spend less time bullying and more time reading.
It's not that THIS game has a gay character. It's that so many games over the last decade or more have gay characters just to push the gay agenda upon the consumer market. So many times people hoped for Conan and instead they got drag queens and gay characters. It's not just games, it's movies, TV, comics, RPGs, TTRPGs and so on. It's every thing pushing this crap down people's throats. People have had enough and they are pushing back against all of it. So no this isn't a gamer thing. This is society course correcting.
This. Asmon can be the mediator of common sense as much as he wants, it’s reached a point where a silent majority that was perma’d if they ever voiced anything akin to criticism about a piece of media that has lgbt stuff in it, simply doesn’t care for backlash anymore. I for one continue my silent non-buynary route. I’ll play old games or games from SEA that doesn’t have lgbt content. If a dev decides to put it in, then I’m not the target audience. If they can accept that I’m not buying, I can accept that they’re putting that kind of content in their games. There’s no point in arguing. I consider games with lgbt content a niche or genre. It’s not my genre of choice. The target audience can sustain those games. Calling me an -ist or -phobe won’t dissuade me.
I understand the reasoning, but you are falling into exactly the same trap as the wokies. What do we all hate about the wokies? The fact that they can’t tolerate even a single degree of deviance from their orthodoxy. This is exactly the psychology I see at work with KCD2. A black man - Woke! Cancelled! A single, completely optional gay romance in an RPG - Woke! Cancelled! By losing all sense of proportion, you become the very thing you hate.
The only people screaming about wokeness are the same type of people who scream in support of wokeness If something woke makes you mad , go outside and touch grass If something not woke makes you mad , go outside and touch grass Both these types of people are the same and only really complain when it's not woke in their favor of their views There is plenty of consumable media that isn't woke , you just aren't looking for it and most likely you enjoy being triggered
what a long roundabout way to say "it's because THIS game has a gay character". Buddy at least have the balls to admit it. If that statement of yours were true, you wouldnt be so triggered by it in the first place.
it's not used as a selling point, just an option in a literal role playing game where if caught you will be punished as according to the law and norms at the time
They made Henry gay. If the option is there, that means he's gay. If Geralt had a gay romance option, everyone would be calling him a bi icon. They went back and they made Henry gay and that's why people are mad.
It is woke: Henry was a straight Christian, and now suddenly he isn't. The main African guy's input is a lecture on how much better women are treated in medieval Islamic society. Nobody *wants* it to be woke as it sounds like a great game.
@@famitsus987 Did you stop to consider you may be able to retort something to that "lecture", or the lecture being a case of irony that you can point out as Henry?
Did you actually play the first KCD?i swear it always a poser who say these things, similar as ppl saying Player killed a pope in ACB isn't the one who played the game.
I have probably 700 hours in 1403 Bohemia playing KCD in multiple playthroughs - Bad Guy Henry, thief Henry, valorous and noble Henry, drunken Henry, non-drinking Henry... THAT is what "Role Playing" is about. But "Henry" is an existing character, with predetermined traits. He's male. He's a blacksmiths son (lol?), and he's initially clumsy and always hungry. When we meet him in Skalitz he's already with his girlfriend Bianca, but he's not above checking out other girls. Hell, its actually focused on at one point early when he checks out Theresa as she walks away - to the point his FATHER comments on it, "She's a fine looking lass...". He's not hanging out at the pond with Fritz or Matthew lol. And when the original game was released and this whole thing started, the Devs made the specific point that Henry is "A heterosexual, Christian man in 1403 Bohemia". THAT is why people who played this game are annoyed. They changed the character OF the character. For "reasons". This is nothing to do with role playing. It is what it is, and precisely what KCD II and Warhorse didn't need to do. It just makes Vavra look like he's full of shit. I remember playing RPG's about 7-8 years ago when male characters would make advances and have "Romance" options (I don't choose to play as a woman, because it's just not how I play games). I just ignored it, because that's not in my interest. Dragon Age Inquisition REALLY pushed that angle, but I ignored it. Same as in FO4 and Mass Effect. But who cares, people might like that, all good. But those characters were self-insert created characters. Henry is a character with an existing backstory. And it makes no sense to do this imo. Will I play KCD II? Yes, I love the first game and still look forward to 2, but as I said, after all the blather, Vavra looks like he's either a BS artist or got direction from someone else and doesn't want to admit it. Too bad. This is a small studio with a small, hardcore fan base... and EVERY OTHER GAME nowadays has plenty of content for people to live out their gay fantasies. There was no reason for this, and no point in damaging the brand.
The way it's being said is this gay option is if you do side quests, and specifically go through the steps to do this. I agree that's it an odd choice with the kick starter advertising where they say he's heterosexual, but he is and will be, In your game, in my game, and 95% of everyone else. It's fine to me.
Somehow I don't care about what some random dude behind Warhorse YT account wrote 8 years ago (like, even the English name of Silver Skalitz is replaced by weird "Czenglish" Silver Skalice in that post)... I care about what was in the game (i.e. prologue and main quest events), which does show that he liked girls, but in no way rule out he was bi... Like, if you asked me after KCD1 prologue if he's more likely bi or murdering maniac, I would probably go for the bi option. I also don't think this option was necessary, but I really couldn't care less that game includes something I won't play. Yet I believe that the "canon Henry is straight, they said so in YT comment" is an absurd take.
I agree with alot that you have wrote but I won't be getting the game. They bent the knee and added this to capitulate to the ones that write the checks and now have spoke out against Christians, wanting a christian game. This is how it starts and we know when you give them an inch, they will demand a mile.
I mean honestly I saw metatron's video and as far as I'm concerned there is no controversy. There's people who have actually seen the content and then there's people who are getting hysterical because they're on the culture war bandwagon . I'm getting it to hell with them
Game devs and publishers need to consider about the fact that there are many Steam users who simply blocked the tag LGBTQ+, so they'll never ever see your games on the store at all, no matter if it's just a small portion of your games.
@@CrackCatWantsPat dude. I have over 500 games. I can even get PS2 emulator. there's more games out there and you are not forced to play new stuff. I even can go and play the DLCs from the first KCD or even replay it. The devs should make something i want. If not. I can move on without care. other devs will provides. i can get KDC2 in 3 years when it's 80% off. When it would been first week buy for me.
Do you want straight stuff in games? Me, I just want games to be good.. who cares what options you have available if the game is good. See Baldurs Gate, Cyberpunk 2077 etc..
Also devs were SAYING that Henri is a staight cristian dude and now they are going back on it. Simple as that. And out of it there are a lot of other reasons why EXACTLY they against it. Also Black Rock giving warhorse money which is also really fkng bad.
It ultimately comes down to this analogy. It's akin to a tug of war. You HAVE to "overcorrect" in order to pull things in your direction because the other side (the wokists) will never stop trying to pull in theirs through any means necessary. If you try to stand in one place while the other side are doing everything they can to pull in their direction, you WILL LOSE.
Oh my god how online do you have to be lmao, art is art, you can't dumb it down to a "tug of war" game, no wonder gaming is dying, everyone just want their own beliefs shoved down their throat and their ego stroked, no sense for nuance or perspective or growth or anything
No. To support this while knowing it's an overcorrection (which it is) makes you a hypocrite. Now your liable to receive the same objective criticisms for no reason. Adding an option to be gay doesn't force you to be gay. Same way adding the option to murder innocent pilgrims and townsfolk to level sneak doesn't autopmatically make you a murderer. It's your choice!
@@TimePlayerOfficial art ceases to be art when its a business. a single unique painting is art a thousand copies of a painting is not art, its a business and games are not singular, they sell copies not a unique master copy that only 1 person can have at a time
@idminister That is not true at all dude. Art is something that can be perceived from a multitude of perspectives, it does not seek to lecture, but to show, and allow you to make a decision on the basis of what you see, nothing is right or wrong, it balances on a gray line. Are you saying shows like breaking bad where to this day, people are still having debates on the morals of characters and themes is not art? There is nowhere in the world where the definition of art is something only made for a singular person. Gaming is an art, and your point of it “being a business” making it not an art does not make any sense, because art throughout history has always been treated as a business, and has always been sold for currency. There isn’t anything wrong with “selling” thought provoking content. Games like DA veilgard are not art because they are lectures and seminars, they do not make you think but rather tell you what is right and wrong, which is why no one liked it. If I wanted that I’d read an argumentative essay.
Commander Shepard in Mass Effect also has that but it wasn't as controversial because its still up to the player he/she can go gay or not at all. But this was never hinted for the first parts of that trilogy.
@@Armand-ue7om that's how this game is. People who.think Henry was an established character are just idiots. They always used YOUR Henry when talking about it, he always has scenes with Hans that made me question what was about to happen, he always had OPTIONAL love interests and you could chose to do witchcraft and bad mouth the church. So this he is a straight white Christian thing is just the reverse bigoted hate. Two sides of the same coin.
@@thedakotalogs I do not totally understand how are people using the straight Henry as an argument. That is just, in my opinion, politization. If I remember correctly the only obligatory romance in kcd was with Bianca, and even that does not exclude bisexuality. I am just saying that those matters where really never addresed and I do not care a bit. After all, it is not a sexual game, it is an adventures one. If someone does not want to play it for this specific tertiary content (that we must see what it actually is), he is in his total right of not playing. In my case, I do not know if tomorrow I am going to sleep at all.
Buuuut even if they didn't hinted at it for KCD, these people today are gonna still be mad about it after they find out through gameplay. They will always find anything as "DEI insert" or "woke". And It's simple, back then you didn't had this internet battle over these issues, now these people do, so games prior our times aren't "woke", but today modern games with the same topics as in the past are now "woke".
People aren’t saying it’s “evil” we are just sick of seeing it at all period! Especially when the character has an established backstory just to throw it away for gay!
the only reason they added it. was because its historical. if you go the gay route in the game. you literally get tonnes of negative penalities. and sometimes get killed for heresay
@@BR0984 I agree that woke policies are doing more harm than good, especially to people who don't even want to be a matter of cultural war, but I'm saying that if you always react with extreme rethoric and strategies, you won't get anywhere, the problem remains there and your opponents will get angrier and more aggressive. Instead of befriending people with strong and polarizing ideas, we should just be rational: there are some things that we should allow, like making people choose their sexual orientation in videogames, and there are things that we must not allow, such as rewriting history
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@@eliascabbio7598 you lost the election, cry harder
@eliascabbio7598 there's no need for it. Its a waste of time and resources. Everything has a gay or trans character now. If there's even a wif I'm out. Me my wife and our 4 kids used to go opening night to every marvel movie. Haven't been to one since dr strange multiverse and I dont plan on ever watching anything with a Disney logo. My kids stopped asking about disney about 2 years ago. We even replanned our vacation because of transgenders in dresses playing dress up with the little girls at Disney. This shit needs to end, there is a time and place for everything.
there was a gay guy in the first game at the monastery, he was hiding it.. i imagine back in the day there were alot of gay people and they hid it because of the times.... as long as its not a forced thing then who cares, just play the game and choose not to be lol
I do not like woke games, but I’m not against gays or trans. I think gamers just want to have options on those if they want the game to be portrayed. Most of social media can twist and turn their words to make the game either playable or spit upon. Besides, I want to see how gamers play it and give their reviews (no hiding their review numbers/score like Rotten Tomatoes) than the woke gaming journos reviews.
I was not able to see kingdom come deliverance 2 on the steam store. Turns out it got caught in my store filter for "LGBT+". Maybe somebody else had the same problem :D
I think a good game trumps anything, so we'll just have to see how it goes. I don't like DEI either, but you look at something like the woke games spreadsheet, and you have stuff like "Game unplayable - black chef npc", and that's clearly an overreaction.
Overcorrection was always going to be inevitable. Let's not throw away the baby with the bathwater. DEI is evil and opposing it is good. Even if it goes a bit far sometimes. The opposition hasn't even truly gotten ground yet and here we are attacking it? Not good. Let the pendulum swing - only that way will there be balance in the end.
“Cyberpunk 2077 had controversial stuff in it” It’s set in the FICTIONAL FUTURE. It’s not based on real life history like Kingdom Come Deliverance II… obviously.
It is happening the other way around. There are gay characters that turn out to be bisexual. It's true that it's less common than straight to bi, but it's the same in real life.
Asmon says it's a "false positive", but neglected to notice that the trigger for it was completely unnecessary. If they hadn't added the option none of this controversy would've happened. The subsequent Devs' attempts to defend it made things worse. It was a completely unnecessary friction point added for no net benefit. No one was going to refuse to buy KCD 2 because the option didn't exist. So the question becomes, why was this friction point added? And why was it so necessary to go that far to try to defend the decisions leading to this friction point being added?
Personally I don't give a shit about this, its an RPG. If you want to be a homo, go for it. I'll stick to my canon Henry, a straight white Christian male, Because KCD2 is a continuation of KCD1 and thats it. If Warhorse hasn't been infected by DEI, mainly Embracer Group, This still should be the good old experience it was the first time around. Overall, the real reason people are upset over this, is because it's an insult to people's intelligence to tell them, "no, its optional, Henry can be gay if he wants to." AFTER Warhorse was HEAVILY against forced DEI, and establishing that Henry is indeed Henry and NOT the player. That is really why people are mad, They are treating the community as if they are stupid. People are right to be upset about that and call out Warhorse's bullshit. They deserve the backlash for boldly lying to people's faces. I don't believe a single word from the community manager or Vávra. They are either taking the piss or full of shit. It is true if they hadn't added the option this would all be fine. I don't think people would give a shit about the Mali guy if it wasn't a compounded issue. They hear about a gay sex scene and the Mali dude which Warhorse HEAVILY were fighting against the first time KCD1 was launching, gay people were attacking it because Henry wasn't gay and the woke mob was attacking it for "being to white". Now out of the blue, there's a gay scene and a random black guy. So of course people are going to question these decisions as they weren't present 8 years ago, which again, they heavily fought against.
Im getting tired of the mental gymnastics people use to say gay stuff in media isnt woke. Sorry, it is. the real question is, what level of woke are you personally willing to accept?
It's not anymore woke then having straight people in your game. And that's just a fact. Now the way the relationship is framed CAN be woke. If it's preachy or unbeleivable, etc. But it's mere existence is not. And if you think it is, you either actually ARE an honest to God homophobe, or you've spent WAY to much time on the internet.
@F0zek yes it is. It's the representation of a marginalized group. So basically anyone other than white men since the left considers everyone but them as marginalized due to their beliefs of systematic racism and sexism.
The vision of warhorse is KCD2, KCD1 was a warm-up the depth they wanted to achieve was not possible in KCD1 due to experience, man power and money. Their vision is to make a immersive and deep RPG.
Since the tutorial in KCD 1, Henry was craving that man meat. Our artistic vision was that in his journey he will find a decent Christian man and get jiggly with it. But unfortunately we did not possess the funding or technology (that Baldur's Gate 3 had) in that era. We were not able to find a good porn actor to make the grunting noises and the meat slapping sounds so we just got the basic bitch and gave you all the vanilla hetero normative sexuality. But as I mentioned before, our artistic vision was always that if we make a sequel, we will use the money to craft the true democrat American experience: you will have the option to perform into homosexual activities just like every decent Christian peasant would.
@@Superb_Legend They did say that. Go back to the first reveal last year. They said this game is what the first one was supposed to be. And he said Henry is YOU.
@@FordHoard You should look into what they were saying back when it was just the first game. They outright declared this was a Christian game and that it was Henry's story and that it wouldn't be the same experience as other people's own experiences since it's his life. They went 180 on the things they said and that's why they're in hot water. At the end of the day, Warhorse is already property of an ESG-DEI proponent company, hence they will go against anything they've established in the past just to cater to their executives and investors. Everything is just marketing jargon at this point, which people are pointing out.
Ideally, in an RPG, you'd have so many options that you can do/be virtually anything you can think of, like a sandbox with countless side stories surrounding your main storyline. Think a D&D session where both players and the DM are making stuff up on the fly, although a lot of the baseline is laid out beforehand. It's costly to make a video game quite like that, so you pick the interesting stuff that you think of during development and iterate on it to give it depth. Now to be gay in medieval Bohemia has so much potential for things to happen, all the secrecy, possible consequences and so on, that I can very much see why they would want this particular option to be there. Whether it's justified or not depends on the execution, as always. Same thing with having a black guy around. Wouldn't really make sense in a small village like the ones in the first game (why would a presumably rich and educated stranger even go there at the time) but the city in the second game was one of the more common destinations to go, and people from all over would find themselves there - and again, having a stranger from a far away land can spawn quite a bit of interesting storytelling, especially when he looks quite different from everyone else.
Try being gay in 1400's and have fun roleplaying unnofficial public execution for sodomy. I mean, it surely would add a lot to the historical aspect of the game, but we both know that's (probably) not how thing will turn out to be.
The earliest ambasador from a central african to an european country is from 1488 in Portugal BUT the sultan of Oman had a "trade office" in Prague in XIth century as the city was a super important slave trade hub. Now a dude claiming (aka lieing)to be from Mali, is possibile. There were a ton of garivagus, wondering monks, and relic traders that claimed to be from the Lewant, but were actualy Berber or Spanish arabs, or sefardi jews.
It comes down to the developer grifting for the support of right wing people to make his first game successful. They stated in very plain english (and czech) that Henry is a straight, white, czech man from 15th century Bohemia. Backpedaling now that you don't need the support anymore is just lame, any man sees this.
Okay so are you saying that I can no longer choose to play Henry as a straight white male? As in are they forcing me to play as a gay character (which is forcing an agenda), or is that just in option in a game that prides itself on giving people options (which isnt pushing or forcing an agenda).
For my the biggest problem is they tried to hide it. And keep it secret. And then it leaked and they came with a awkward statement. Then more backlash came out and they said yes to every leak. I really dont understand why they wanted to lie and keep it a secret towards their main playerbase?
its not what's in the game that ruined it. It's how the Devs treated everyone when people questioned it. They lied, gaslighted, and insulted our intelligence. How they handled the controversy convinced me to cancel my preorder.
I think they just wanted to add more options for players to be able to enjoy the game and play in their own ways, i'm so excited to finally be able to play the game
Gay sex is disgusting to any normal man. Full stop. People generally dont want to buy things that disgust them. This isnt rocket science. There are 3 kinds of men 1) Normal men who are disgusted by gay sex 2) abnormal men who like it (e.g. gay men) 3) and cowards who are lying about it
Do I have the choice, as a player, to out the gay character to authorities? Or do I ONLY have the choice to engage or not engage in the gay relationship? Can I call out the muslim character on their dialogues about how Islam treats women better? If this whole "player agency" thing goes both ways, then yeah I'm all for it cause it shows it actually has player agency as the core interest. If it goes only one way then it does raise some red flags.
Personally I want gay shit in my videogames if IAM the character, examples include, skyrim baldurs gate etc. (my favourite romance option in BG3 were literally mostly the men except for minthara). I think the difference is, introducing characters in a way vs changing them to be another way later on. For example Overwatch suddenly talking about certain characters actually being gay, despite there being no sign of it before because they obviously just pulled it out of their ass. Also Genre obviously plays a factor as well, having a historic game vs a fantasy game.
there cannot be enough of an "over correction". The DEI/Woke side has gone so far, taken over so much, destroyed so much, that no amount of over correction is excessive.
In real world? Yes. In case of KCD? It is idiotic and self-defeating. Vávra is the most openly non-woke developer there is. If he claims he made these design choices because he thought they were interesting for the game, then that's what it is.
@@8Paul7 Not in the real world either. People need to learn to differentiate again and calm the f down and have some sense of moderation in life. People really need to calm down, they don't even realise they're just as radical as the woke people they hate so much.
As long as it's an option that can be avoided, im fine. The problem is they can't help themselves and will not leave it at that. It's why we're in this mess to begin with.
Actually nuts how many people are saying they made Henry gay. A gay relationship option being in the game doesn’t make Henry as a character gay. My Shepherd could have clapped Kaiden’s cheeks in ME but my shepherd was a straight guy. Honestly, if we go back to the type of RPGS where you can just do what you want then awesome. Nothing wrong with gay stuff in games. On a serious point, as woke dies off it will become persistently obvious that the people who hate woke stuff because it’s obnoxious and forced are not the same as the ones that have got lost in the sauce and think everything with black or gay is woke lol
@@jimst3r1 unless you want to roleplay a gay Henry lol then it adds something. And you don’t need to touch the gay my friend. If you play an rpg the same way every time each play-through it doesn’t mean the other routes and options didn’t have to be there.
The game is out, and it's amazing watching people shit on it because of ragebait. 90% of the stuff they complain about isn’t even in the game the way they make themselves believe. There’s zero chance these people ever played the first game or were ever going to play the second-just a bunch of keyboard warriors 🤡🤡🤡
Ragebait? But it is true, they replaced established character sexuality for no reason. What so rage baiting about it? One doesn't exclude the other game can be amazing and have dramas or problems that people complain about jesus how old are you?
the reason for the hate of KCD2 isn't because it went woke its the fact they changed the lore then tried to hide the fact they retconned the game. Especially when people found old articles, comments and pieces of lore written or said by the devs against the retconnine. Its very similar to the retconnof the Custodes in 40k the lore has been for years its make only custodes then Amazon wants to make a show about Custodes and they want females in it all of a sudden there are female custodes
What lore got changed ? Henry is still the same as he ever was, he still has the exact same backstory. But the only thing truly canon in the first game was the main story and maybe a few dlcs/side quests. Having an additional romance option in the 2nd game isn't changing the lore.
@@ragjr992 That wasn't a dev. What you are referring to was on a TH-cam technical test demo of the game, and Vavra confirmed the guy was just the account manager they hired who had no idea about the actual dev process. Henry is Christian and yet you can still make him commit nearly every sin in the book, in the Johanka dlc, you can still act like everything she's saying is complete bollocks and refuse to repent for any of your actions. Henry can still be straight if you want him to be. Just don't pursue the single same sex romance option.
I honestly feel bad for Varva. He signed deal with the devil to get the money for his dream game and tried to keep the mandatory woke shit to the minimum and it still bite him to the ass in 5he end.
The KCD2 drama is the dumbest shit I've seen in a while. The first game was barraged with hate for not having any minorities (in a game set in 15th century Czech Republic) and now the opposite end of the spectrum is hating on the sequel for having a gay character. Is this a South Park episode or something?
Anti woke extremists are just as bananas as woke extremists. There is a guy who make list of "woke games" and he puts games on the list for things like having a prominent female character or for having "gay music".😮
I honestly do not mind them changing the character from straight to bisexual or gay. I just wont play it, saves me money. The main character was fundamentally changed.... why do that? I am so over agendas being pushed it just turns me off completely. It is like agenda overload. I am having fun playing Cyberpunk with the massive mod pack NIghtcity. I do not mind the wide range of sexuality in that game, it fits the context of the story. But changing historical lore, and main characters to be more DEI, I will pass.
Henry is a established character he always was, people always give me the examples of other western RPG's like Cyberpunk, Balder's Gate, Dragon Age... But in these games you are creating a "self insert" you have a character creator you can change the characters appearance, name, gender, gender preferences, everything and anything, in Kingdom Come Deliverance you can't do that Henry is a already written and established character and even the devs admitted it 8 years ago saying Henry is straight and will stay so and then they make him BI? I think there is nothing wrong in being gay or bi but you can't expect people to accept a story retcon a story re-write a character re-write, retcon's are usually a sign of bad story writing or woke activist mentality to change the previous story because you feel "guilty" that you didn't have enough "representation" and that's why this controversy blew up Asmongold.
The moderator's statement on the warhorse account is not an official character setting. Especially when he admitted that it wasn't an official setting. Of course, you're still stuck on the same one but he's set up.. Even if he's not. But if it helps you to say it, then say it, after all, being stupid is not illegal, and falls under freedom of speech..
@@radekburian9522 It was stated on their offical YT account where only the devs respond and have access to, there it was stated that Henry is a "white male straight Christian and a son of a blacksmith" and that he will only have straight options because he is an "established" character. And even Daniel Vavra once comfronted with that evidence only reponded with: this was then things have changed we have a bigger budget even though their investor back at Kingdom Come Deliverance 1 was a billionaire but sure... They tried to find any excuse for that retcon, same thing you are doing now. Their response on every single controversy was poor for example the Saudi Arabian ban, they denied is true and said is false, it turns out it was true and why lying? Just say how it is, is not like Saudi Arabia isn't known for their strict content regulations but by lying in our faces you are making things just worse. Then after that their community manager started to censor people, ban them for questioning their decisions or jist simply asking questions related to these controversies... I can go on and on, is not just that one Henry is BI stuff that upset a lot of people, me included is so much more than nust that. They clearly were forced by Embracer Group their investors who are all pro DEI to implement the Henry stuff and the black guy but then please don't lie to us fans just so that every argument can be easily disproven, it just ruins your credibility.
@@radekburian9522It was stated on their offical YT account where only the devs respond and have access to, there it was stated that Henry is a "white male straight Christian and a son of a blacksmith" and that he will only have straight options because he is an "established" character and once people confronted Daniel Vavra with that evidence he only reponded with: this was then things have changed we have a bigger budget even though their investor back at Kingdom Come Deliverance 1 was a billionaire but sure... They tried to find any excuse for that retcon, same thing you are doing now. Their response on every single controversy was poor for example the Saudi ban, they denied is true and said is false, it turns out it was true and why lying? Just say how it is true, is not like Saudi isn't known for their strict content regulations but by lying in our faces you are making things just worse. Then after that their community manager started to censor people, ban them for questioning their decisions or just simply asking questions related to these controversies... I can go on and on, is not just that one Henry is BI stuff that upset a lot of people, me included is so much more than just that. They clearly were forced by Embracer Group their investors who are all pro DEI to implement the Henry stuff and the black guy but then please don't lie to us fans just so that every argument can be easily disproven, it just ruins your credibility.
@@radekburian9522 It was stated on their offical YT account where only the devs respond and have access to, there it was stated that Henry is a "white male straight Christian and a son of a blacksmith" and that he will only have straight options because he is an "established" character and once people confronted Daniel Vavra with that evidence he only reponded with: this was then things have changed we have a bigger budget even though their investor back at Kingdom Come Deliverance 1 was a billionaire but sure... They tried to find any excuse for that retcon, same thing you are doing now. Their response on every single controversy was poor for example the Saudi ban, they denied is true and said is false, it turns out it was true and why lying? Just say how it is true, is not like Saudi isn't known for their strict content regulations but by lying in our faces you are making things just worse. Then after that their community manager started to censor people, ban them for questioning their decisions or just simply asking questions related to these controversies... I can go on and on, is not just that one Henry is BI stuff that upset a lot of people, me included is so much more than just that. They clearly were forced by Embracer Group their investors who are all proDEI to implement the Henry stuff but then please don't lie to us fans just so that every argument can be easily disproven, it just ruins your credibility.
@@radekburian9522 It was stated on their offical YT chanel where only the devs respond and have access to, there it was stated that Henry is a "white male straight Christian and a son of a blacksmith" and that he will only have straight options because he is an "established" character and once people confronted Daniel (the dev) with that evidence he only reponded with: this was then things have changed we have a bigger budget even though their investor back at Kingdom Come Deliverance 1 was a billionaire but sure... They tried to find any excuse for that retcon, same thing you are doing now. Their response on every single controversy was poor for example the SaudiBAN, they denied is true and said is false, it turns out it was true and why lying? Just say how it is, is not like we don't known how strict their regulations can be but by lying to us you are making things just worse. Then after that their community-manager started to censor people, ban them for questioning their decisions or just simply asking questions related to these controversies... I can go on and on, is not just that one Henry is BI stuff that upset a lot of people, me included is so much more than just that. They clearly were told by Embracer Group their investors who are all proDEI to implement the Henry stuff but then please don't gaslight us fans and be honest to us, that's all what I have to say regarding this topic.
Let's be clear. Most of antiwoke crowd who has seen first game and studio as based, never played it and never intended to play 2nd game. They are as part of "vocal minority" or so called "modern audience' who never buys these games they speak about as the crowd on the opposite side. These people are mirroring irrational behaviours of ones they made fun of once. One calling KCD woke was laughing about other side having melt down about wukong or stellar blade. Such snowflake type of people. This being told, first game had at least 2 gay characters in there. Thats why it's easy to pick who really has played and care about KCD games and who only yap about them.
The black guy they added has dialogue, where He says it is much safer in his country, and they treat women better. In reality, they enslaved women. It's not very good for a historical game. Explain that one away as anything else but woke nonsense.
the henry retconn deserves its backlash too many characters have been defiled over the years you just dont turn him alphabet and expect good things in this era, congrats everything is now political lol.
Yes, because a certain part of people think that the game is woke, even though literally the game will punish you if you choose to sin and sleep with the same sex.. Terribly woke. Simply extremists are on both sides.
@acain6803 they did? Is it with Hans Capon? There's always this air between them but I always thought it was brotherly love. I mean Henry did fuck girls in the first one and has a girlfriend. So at most he's Bi, not Gay
Considering the crazy and unethical stuff you can do with Henry in KCD1 and probably in KCD2, doing gay stuff pales in comparison. The devs gave us options to explore and even amuse us. Gay people existed all the time, you have the option to do that too, since Henry is not canonnically a thief or murderer either.
Yeah this is the point that I thought of as well Henry was never a good christian you have the option to go around boozing, fornicating, killing, stealing and lying but we draw the line at being gay/bi.
It won't be that easy to make him a bi. Considering that he will only offer it to you in one mission, where you will have to say 5 things in the conversation without making a mistake.
Don't really like a lot of his takes etc but very solid of him for being one of the sane people in the room. 100% agree with the take. Nobody would of batted an eye if this was during the time of the release of KCD 1
Sometimes I think how Elden Ring would have been received if it came out in 2025 instead of 2022. Would people have enjoyed it for what it was or would they try to shit on it before launch because of the “body type 1/body type 2” thing? I feel like gaming culture has moved so hard in the other direction in such a short time.
@@dngn4774 Tbf the pendulum swung crazy fast and far to the left post-gamergate and between 2018-2023, this is just overcorrection as it swings fast and far the other way.
@ My tinfoil hat theory is that culture in the U.S. got more conservative because of the streaming wars. Every streaming service going at it created an artificial demand for content, which led to a need for more ad money, which led to adding DEI to entertainment so that it could fund more exclusive content. As a result you have every piece of mass media pushing inclusivity at the same time with lower quality scripts which eventually eroded good will with the public ( pattern recognition evolving to “woke” = bad storytelling) and created the sparks for a reactionary movement against corporate wokeness.
@@ansur1783 Some guy made this huge, ridiculous list of all the current and upcoming releases a while back purporting to identify woke content. Space Marine II was woke apparently because of "improbable diversity" - aka one of your marines was a black guy and the other part Asian.
I'm from Poland and if the game costs 100 dollars, it's like 450 zł which is our currency, 3/4 of the population earns about 5000, crazy prices, won't buy the game at this price ever, maybe wait 6 months for a discount
I can not imagine any circumstance in which I could spare a crumb of credence for any "take" from someone who has such an aggressively horrendous "take" on Dark Souls 2.
That’s a big thing for me. There are probably only going to be less than a dozen essential npc’s in the entire game which means the entire plot of the story hinges on whatever gay character they added. If it really was a hidden optional side quest it wouldn’t be with an essential npc.
most likely it will be the same as kcd where minor characters that are involved with the story are unkillable until you get past the point where they are involved then you can kill them
@lukkkasz323 Its not the game play I'm concerned with. It's the agenda I don't like. I'm not going to pay for a game that pushes an agenda that is old and tired and I disagree with. Just make fun games with no agenda like they used to make. Not a big ask.
@@MrRodzilla01jesus people like you really exist. Actual homophobes. I thought the left screaming about you people was a dog whistle but there are legitimately a few of you around. Sad.
@@MrRodzilla01 and theres no agenda here. The first game everyone basically says “Jesus chris be praised” and similar religious stuff. its not any agenda and you didn’t see anyone saying anything then.
I would not care about characters being gay if it not Henry and Hans. They could have added some quest where you can help or not some gay couple like how in first game you have Witches quest. Sub saharan african is almost a bigger issue. They could have added north africans or arabs and turks and nobody would care but they had to go for the DEI money.
Asmongold nailed it! For myself, I won’t be buying this day one, I was planning on, but changed my mind. I’m going wait for reviews and I might get it on a major sale only because I don’t trust this studio enough to pull the trigger day one after the shit that I’ve seen and the shit that I’ve heard. You don’t just make a main character gay for the sake of agenda. You just don’t do that. He was straight as an arrow in the first game if he’s gay or if he even hints being gay at all in this game to me that’s woke. I’m sick of this woke crap.
It’s an RPG - the point of a good RPG is that the player decides. Do you want Henry to be noble and good? You have that option. Do you want him to be cruel and violent? You have that option. Do you want him to be gay, or bisexual? You have that option. Do you want him to be straight? You have that option. There is nothing woke about freedom of choice. That’s actually an anti-woke value. Wokies tend to hate genuine freedom of choice.
He's... Not gay though? You can end the first game as a virgin, there's even an achievement for it. And Henry would assume he's straight because that's the default assumption. He's also obviously sexually attracted to women. He just has the option to explore his feelings with men, which everyone has. That doesn't make you gay. You're only gay when you are a guy and think sex with women is icky and are instead sexually attracted to men. Or vise versa if you're talking about women.
I agree with all this. Im one of the people hes talking about. The smallest hint of DEI and im not interested. You give an inch and they will take a mile.
@SweHall I don't know what that means. I'm fed up with DEI to the point where even if it has an arguably reasonable amount of something "woke" like optional gay Henry, I'm still going to avoid it like the plague. Not saying I'm right, I'm just completely done.
CharlieMander843 You do you but from were I'm standing your take seems dramatic. I'm mean take a step back abit.. you know ( if you really following Warhorse or Did your research) that Warhorse isn't pushing an agenda here, so why all this drama surrounding it? It's start to look like those guys are just on a rampage trying to destroy what's left of the gaming industry whether it's justified or not. I'm pissed off because Warhorse doesn't deserve this, I watched their Dev stream the other day and you see their passion for the community and their game and you got people who probably weren't even going to play the game anyways trying to ruining that excitement because of of a culture war? An attack that wasn't even justified? Surely, people have ability to see what is an agenda or not and not just attack every game with a hint of woke with a blind rage.
@@NathanFrank-n9d I watched a video recently by Brett Cooper on "Right Wing Cancel Culture". I'm seeing how me being so far right and also unforgiving could actually be hurting my cause, but at same time hard to change. I see your points though, It's logical.
I’ll never understand that. Since when is depicting real life stuff in a video game suddenly „woke“ and therefore bad? I get that it’s annoying when it’s forced and contradictory to previous lore. But when i have a game like GTA6 for example, which is depicting IRL Florida. And i have for example a trans barkeeper who shows up for like 5 minutes in the game, is the game now „Woke and Bad“? No, because this exists IRL and can easily happen. Why does a game have to act like this doesn’t exist, just because people are full of hate and boycotting every so called „Woke-Game“? No one complained about Cyberpunk being woke because Judy was homosexual. Ah right, Gay is only bad when it’s men. If the option exists in a game to be homosexual and you hate it, just don’t pick the option?? Why you have to be so mad at a studio for being open and tolerant to all people? It’s not forcing you to be gay. Y’all literally getting mad for no reason at all. It’s not affecting your life in any way. Now Trump bans pronouns an trans people from military. Sorry but shouldn’t he be worried about actual problems that affect people in their lives? Renaming the Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America? All these changes are not in the interest of anyone. It’s just pure egoism and personal despise being enforced.
@ But it exists in our world, so why not include it in media like video games? I don’t care at all as long as it doesn’t seem forced or obvious it’s only there for inclusion. If you get a job somewhere and one of your coworkers is gay, do you quit too? Nah it exists, deal with it and just ignore it. People forget that you can just look past stuff like that. But people just choose to be mad about something so irrelevant and little like this. Why? Idk, maybe people are just bored asf and love to hate for the sake of it. If handled right, a game doesn’t have to be bad. Best example is Baldurs Gate 3 or Cyberpunk. Ffs even Last of Us has a gay main character since the first game in 2013, and no one complained. Y’all just trying to look for something to hate upon, that’s kinda sad since there are real problems out there you need to worry about.
@ And if i sound biased, i’m absolutely not. I’m straight as hell, but i just don’t care about people’s love interest or identity as long as they don’t hurt anyone or try to convert me i couldn’t care less, leave them be bro. They are not affecting youre daily lives in one single aspect.
@ do nuggets or rockets care? no awful argument. Btw in almost every game that involves some sort of customized character you have the option to go asian. that called respect people. you act like every game turned to a gay saga as soon as there is a option to have gay love interests or if there is a gay side character. that’s so lame actually
Just so you know pope Leon IXth considered masturbation of clergy and monks a sin, but only if you "did it yourself" . If you did it to a co-cleric and he did it to you, it was not a sin. A young hare was a fish, and okey to eat in fasting times in certain regions of germany and france. Etc etc. Lion Heart King of Britain. Mighty crusader hated women, loved to take baths with young men etc now l aint defending woke. But history was a bit more wierd then you may think.
I think it's weird to not have it in the 1st game but now it's an option. No reason to change a character unrealisticly. However it's optional so ill ignore it and keep cracking skulls with my hammer.
Never heard the bg3 devs claim that the main character was straight or that no black people existed in Bohemia at this point in history. Nor did they court the anti woke audience and act like based jesus.
1. BG3 is a fantasy RPG, DND, in which literally anything can be, you can create anyone to suit your tastes, and KCD is, as stated, "the most realistic historical game" with an established protagonist. 2. No one is outraged about gays, they were even in the first game, and even more so, no one denies the existence of gays in the Middle Ages. 3. Henry is Henry, with his own personality that suits every player's decisions in the first game, an established heterosexual, as the developers themselves stated, but now it turns out it's YOU, so he's a blank character, they literally forced him to become bisexual. 4. The argument that this is "optional" does not work because even the possibility of gay sex speaks to his bisexuality. 5. Warhorse studio owns the Embracer Group, which forces its studios to add a DEI agenda. So, game is probably good and even GOTY, but 100% it has WOKE influence, and I'm afraid what's going to happen to the third game.
@@nikosi3643 1. The inclusion of a same sex romance doesn't make Henry Bisexual, this is a disingenuous argument i keep seeing, the game gives you the option to be bi but never forces it onto the player, Henry is still straight if you play him that way meaning his sexuality is up to the player as it is an RPG. 2. Henry is not a true pre-established, Henry does not have decades of lore backing up who he is as a character and the player gets total freedom to control Henry and let him interact with the world in more ways than Geralt, Geralt has a set of principles that he follows and pre-established morality meaning you cannot pick options or do things in the world of the Witcher that Geralt would not do, like cold blooded murder for example but in KCD2 as Henry you get more freedom to do this proving my point, he is NOT a pre-established chapter, he is a hybrid between blank slate and Pre-established, anyone familiar with RPG's should know this. 3. Henry was originally intended by the devs and Vavra to be his own character, this can absolutely be criticised but the change in KCD2 is not because of wokeness but because of a change in creative vision. 4. Embracer doesn't have control of what gets put into the video games of the studios they own, you just made that up, now granted they do advise ideas to make the game more ''progressive'' and they do encourage the push for DEI, but never force, Vavra confirmed this in a Czech interview that unfortunately most people wont watch because of the language barrier, Vavra obviously being against Wokeness ignored Embracer's request and said he will do his own thing no matter what and KCD2 will sell better if he has total creative freedom. 5. Proof of this is that Embracer has published many video games and while some of them absolutely do have DEI so your worry is 100% warranted, not all of them do and KCD2 will be one of them. 6. KCD2 is the end if Henry's story, this has been stated many times.
It really isn't a big deal, it's an rpg but it is a historic game and Henry is a christian in an extremely christian society. Being gay at the time could straight up get you killed, so there is that
From what I've seen it's not thrown in your face. I for one loved the first and this has overwhelming positive reviews. Pre-ordered and very excited to play.
kingdom come deliverence 2 hate is an over reaction. As the game base this of a real gay person that was mentioned during that time and that area and Warhorse have said they wanted to be as much historicly accurate as possible. But will barely be notishabled as there is only 1 gay person. Also Kingdom come deliverence 1 had a gay characters side story. Not that Henry became gay, just that they had a gay character that wanted help from Henry.
Asmongold has this great ability to be able to understand where people are coming from despite not agreeing with them. That's the shit we need more of.
There are gay characters in Kdc 1, there were gay people in history, its a rpg where YOU decide if Henry will be gay, if you dont want gay, dont kiss men and ur good
As long as it's treated with historical respect, I'll accept it right ? Like as long as it is treated accurately for the time it's set in it's fine by me
Henry is already established as straight tho? Makes no sense for there to be gay options for him but its ok as long as you get burnt at the stake for it.
nice argument, but. They already established Henry was straight...even before the game came out. Why is this information so hard to grasp to you people?
@@maximilianoalcaraz7351i think its because its optional. I wont dis on them for this because its a mature mindset. However there are people who have issue with that mindset 1)as you stated he has been confirmed straight loooong ago 2)this is what led us to the current game market. We were fine with our main characters being Bi and it slowly shifted to gay and trans while bringing down the quality. Its more so hate out of worry and fear that if this series continues then it will go downhill back when they could have said more
@maximilianoalcaraz7351 You think everyone thats gay knew it day one? Like I said, you control Henry. Henry is a good guy a knight, yet you can kill old grandma and steal her stuff.
I have felt from the start that the critizism against this game has been way overboard. I can agree that it is a problem that they have commented before that Henry is straight but now have changed that. It is not a big deal to me but can see why some people might be really annoyed. But it does not seem anything like we have had with so many other games that have gone overboard with DEI. There was also some mention on another video that the inclusion of these elements in the game might have been made so that the game could be included in consideration for some awards which I guess require some DEI? And I would imagine that the company will never come out and admit that this would be the case and that the reason for the inclusion of these elements in the game was because of that requirement.
There was zero reason at all to make Henry gay or add black people into medieval Europe. It is woke. There was NO reason at all to add it and the gay is worse for it. Being fine with any of it gives them to an in to flood games with it.
How the F is this an "Overcorrection". These clowns need to stop gaslighting us. This game is as woke as they come. It checks EVERY damn checkbox on the Woke/DEI list. Every single one
Currently playing through rdr1 for the first time, what a game! Going to pick up KCD2 whenever im done with red dead, i cant wait for the tourists calling this game woke to eat crow, i hate woke stuff too dont get me wrong and ive been calling it out for almost 7 years, i actually understand what it is, most of these new people are either 15 years old, normies who learned about woke for the first time a year ago or flip-floppers who jump from one extreme to the other and probably made fun of anti-woke people like me a couple years ago and now when the culture is shifting they're jumping to the ''right side'' to not look stupid but because they still dont understand what woke means they end up looking stupid in a different way. Just to elaborate, Wokeness is when ideology and identity are the main focus in a product over writing and character, a woke product can never be good as it does not prioritise the entertainment of the customer, wokeness is always about intent.
You're not the ultimate authority on what is woke. I never accepted even a bit of it and was always vocal about it. Even before 'woke' was even a term. The fact that there's 'only a little' wokeness here doesn't remove it from being there. And given the context of the setting and time period in this game, that 'little' isn't so little.
@ Never said i was any kind of authority, unlike you i have a firm definition of the word woke, the more you use it againt anything you dislike the more of a buzzword it becomes and the more ammunition you give the people who keep labelling us as Ist's and Ism's.
@@totuudentorvi7781 Never said i was any kind of authority, all i said is that i have a firm definition of the word w0ke, the more you use it against anything you dislike the more of a buzzw0rd it becomes and the more ammunition you give to the people who keep labelling us as Ist's and Ism's.
@@totuudentorvi7781 Never said i was any kind of authority, all i said is that i have a firm definition of the word w0ke, the more you use it against anything you dislike the more of a buzzw0rd it becomes and the more ammunition you give to the people who keep labelling us as Ist's and Ism's.
I get both sides of this argument. Truly. But honestly they just shouldn’t of done the scene/option at all. Why risk it knowing the current environment?
The problem is that some people believed that the developers are on their side politically and when the developers apparently don’t have extreme views, it hurts their little ego. Ffs, it’s an option and everyone can decide how they want to play the game. It doesn’t affect you whatsoever.
The biggest problem is. That they wanted to keep it a secret. Until it leaked out. And then vavra came with a awkward statement. And then later they said yes to every leak. Why they wanted to hide it? Why they wanted to lie about it? Why not come straight forward?
exacly! and i decide to play with mods that block the gayness, and you are correct it wont effect me whatsoever. especially my wallet, because i will pirate it..
Why is there a woman with a sword next to the guy literally on the cover for the game then? Game seems to me like a woke fantasy and not a medieval historic game
Sounds like you listened to what someone else said without actually checking. There is a woman on the cover, yes, but she has a crossbow, not a sword. And if you've played the first game, there's literally a dlc where you play as Theresa who wields a bow, and can even beat Henry at swordfighting. If that's not woke, this isn't.
Why can’t game devs just take a page out of FF16’s book? Dion was a fantastically written gay character that wasn’t defined for his sexuality. It’s honestly cringe how low game devs have gotten, trying to push their agendas/politics into video games.
So it's nothing too radical? It all amounts up to the Main KCD2 director having a childish hissy-fit over this? What is essentially a *retcon* in the MC's, Henry's sexuality and religion, when the 1st game so clearcut and simply states that's how it is, and nothing in the 2nd game's promotional material states it's changed? This is on the directors fault, if he just said, "Hey, I'm doing this, seems fair to me" instead of doing this morally superior handstand and throwing people who are blindsided by this insincere retcon, people would understand.
I don't care about the type of option in and of itself, but I am somewhat bothered by the change from a predefined to a male it your own. But I guess you can say they wanted a specific foundation with the first release.
@@GameManCZ2000Yh a tanned white people lol that’s not a sub Sarah African you do know that right lol there were never any black people in Europe back then it’s forced propaganda
@@GameManCZ2000do you think dark skinned = saa lol stop being delusional buddy there were never and I repeat never black people in Europe we wuz scholars and shiteee and treated woman better we wuz feminists
It is funny to watch this nonsense...KCD1 has gay characters in it. It was well implemented with historic acuracy. This is pure nonsensical sadnass seeing how poeple who talk this narrative don't bother to make a simple search before opening their mouths.
I think it's more that people don't want to see it. It's like how a lot of people say they're fine with gay people but they wouldn't accept a gay son or a gay couple in public. Most of them are just bigots. But there are some valid criticism with how Henry is already an established character. But it's also not at all strange for a 16 year old to not know their sexuality.
It's about the playable character. Having an NPC be whatever is completely different. It's about who I have to play as. I don't want that to be a part of my character however 'optional' it may be. I know the option is there. And that is one backstab the devs have committed.
@@totuudentorvi7781 Guess what. It is still an RPG (Role playing Game) no one is forcing you !to play as gay as many of people are forcing this narrative out. You have the power of choice.
Woke people have insulted, dismissed and mock gamers for so long, that many gamers don't want to have anything in their games that gives those woke people ammo to keep mocking them, not even a little pebble to trow, is simple.
Nope, most people don't give a damn, and the only ones crying are the snowflakes who can't enjoy a good game because they were "wronged". Same shit as woke people.
and congratulations, you've and the rest of the gaming community have become the hyper sensitive political crowd that you oh so despise. You dont fight fire with fire, all that does is just show the extreme hypocrisy in your side. I say this because people like you whom are just as loud and obnoxious as any of the SJWs online will soon come to face to people getting real tired of the same behavior. And this sort of thing is going to bite you in the ass just as much as the "woke" crowd is experiencing.
So I guess enjoy your little baby tirades as long as you can because actual normal gamers who just dont give a shit about social politics will eventually call you out for the annoying side you've become.
@@atelierbagur3831That's false equivalence, choosing to ignore is not the same as attacking people for having different opinions.
@@Extil2 Its not choosing to ignore it when the outrage and argument is fucking dumb in the first place. I'll give you a reality check because you're so brain rotted of what your supposed to be angry about.
You're supposed to be criticizing the actual writing. Not the fact that LGBT+, Minorities exist and are in a video game. So many people keep trying to defend themselves saying "I dont have an issue with x group but" and thats the problem there. You're being disingenous here because nobody whose sincere actually ever says stuff like this unless they're trying to conflict themselves.
Ex. My problem with Dragon Age the Veilguard in terms of character writing is that the whole cast is awful and Taash is by far one of the worst implemented trans characters in a video game. But thats just it, I attack the writing, not the message. Video game writing has always been presented its messaging with basic human ideals and concepts for their narratives and it has always been about promoting social justice for a lot of em. The reason it works its because most writers in the past were smart on how they presented them. The fact that there was a scene were Taash had to educate characters about pronouns is so cringe that it breaks immersion.
But Im not attacking that they're trans, Im attacking how this was treated and I leave it at that. I dont go around parading rage bait online and making fools out of an entire community just because of some individuals who misrepresent them. Imagine how fucking stupid it would be for me to be say "Anti-Black" or "Anti-White" because I had an annoying experience with one of them. Thats basically what you and Asmon and the whooooole anti-woke group is doing and its extremely insufferable. Face it. You lost the narrative and are just as bad as the whiny crybabies we used to criticize a few years back when the magic word was "SJW" instead of "woke.
Dont fucking insult my intelligence. I'm not buying your bullshit
@atelierbagur3831 "people like you whom are just as loud and obnoxious as any of the SJWs".
So you admit woke people are obnoxious and thats why me and gamers dont like them for that and not for the causes they pretend to fight for... thanks for your suport!! You calling me childish...fo what? Not liking being mocked...then you proceed to try and mock me without knowing me? I bet nobody who really knows you likes you because you are fast to act like this at the first sign of discomfort you experience from other people. Do i know you? Your whole post reeks like this behaviour.
Asmongold can read the room, this is why I like the guy. Pure common sense.
I’ve been saying it for years. Just like there’s the w0k3 left. There’s also the w0k3 right. Neither of them are your friends. If you’re a gamer, you want absolutely nothing to do with either of them. Because they would both push for censorship if they got their way, and they would both wanna push their agenda.
Inter caecos regnat strabus 😁
@@The_Primary_Axiom There is no such thing as the 'w0k3 right' that doesnt even make any sense, woke is a left leaning ideology, you cannot be woke and on the right, the term you're talking about is a 'Puritan'.
Cringe. Giving the option to be gay doesn't make you gay.
Being straight is a choice. Having a gay person want to fuck you doesn't make you gay. Pure common sense for people who touch grass regularly.
Lemme guess: Asmongold thinks gay sex is based
I for example really like Baldurs Gate 3 but the amount of times i saw a male npc talk about "my husband" was suspicious, i also think it is weird that not a single faction in the Game, nor a single character, speaks out against it. At least the Druid could have been like "No, i it is not our nature to do that" everyone universally accepts gayness in Faerun. Nothing but positivity concerning it and universal acceptance from anyone.
point out a blatantly anti-lgbt faction/society that's canon to the forgotten realms
Not only that, there are numerous quests in the game encouraging that ill-fated lifestyle, but no questlines getting a male/female to hook up.
To be completely fair, this is a world were people can turn into literal dragons or in the games case a bear to do the deed. Dozens of religions with their own Gods (even blatantly evil gods) that all have their own tenets and views. Not to mention all the various things that want to destroy or rule the world, necromancy, the ability to revive people from death even if its been just shy of a century since it happened, etc.
What your doing in the bedroom is probably the least of anyone's concern in that universe. I agree that there should be some people against it, but for the most part its irrelevant for most people in this world.
BG3 is one of the only games I could think of that is really good but also woke af.
You gotta get the "No alphabets" mod for BG3, it fixes it.
One other problem is that the media who trashed the first game are raving about this game. When we see the worst of the game industry praising a game, we automatically get suspicious.
That's fair assessment, but i argue that providing an option for gay sex only makes you gay if you accept.
Henry, the historic character, probably didn't assassinate random townfolks to level his sneak skill. So it's safe to say that someone can roleplay being straight or gay.
The controversy is just cringe overcorrection from woke gaming.
@@fedbia2003 So you're okay if they make Luke Skywalker or Geralt alphabet too, yes? Because Henry was confirmed to be nothing but an arrow in the first game, and now he's been retconned. And if you're okay with this retcon, then you're also okay if they added a doggo diddler option too, right?
@@Billy-bc8pk If you add the option to be gay it doesn't make you gay.
You're not reading. Also, you have a severe fascination with bestiality
@@Billy-bc8pk BRO GTFO HERE! YOU PLAY STAR CITIZEN AND THINK YOU HAVE ANY CHANCE TO CRITIQUE GAME CHOICES?!
Bro, you're done. Cringe, incel, copium.
This game is going to explode and you're going to look like a reject.
@@Billy-bc8pk No one from the studio ever said that.
Wahrorse moderator Fusselpuli said it on the warhorse account, and he doesn't know anything about the KCD development, and since he was sad that there wouldn't be a same-sex romance in KCD I, he assumed it was Henry Strait.. But it wasn't an official statement.
Honestly. I hate woke shit as much as the next guy, but this game isn’t woke. I’m not even gonna engage with the gay shit in the game, I don’t consider it canon. You could be a psychopathic mass murderer in the first game, which isn’t canon. This is no different.
Fairest point I’ve seen so far
Man, I could do with a bite to eat…
The game is 100% WOKE, stop denying it, I'm not saying that the game is going to be bad, opposite, it's probably good and even GOTY, but it's definitely has WOKE influence from Embracer studio that owns them.
@nikosi3643 100% woke? Nah bro. It’s 0.5% woke. Calm down. If it was woke, being gay would be the only option and would be glorified despite the 1403 setting. We all know that’s not going to be the case.
How do you explain a sub saharan? No you are right it's not woke at all they just added ghey and black into the game that they said previously would have neither. I get it bro I really want to play the game too but don't deny reality.
@bullythebooks the kingdom of Mali had established extensive trade routes up to Eastern Europe in the early 14th century. Even when they were in decline during the early 15th century, the trade routes existed, and letters between sub Saharan and Eastern Europeans existed during this timeframe. Besides, getting a black dude lynched on false evidence is woke now? Cry me a river. And judging by your name, you probably should spend less time bullying and more time reading.
It's not that THIS game has a gay character. It's that so many games over the last decade or more have gay characters just to push the gay agenda upon the consumer market. So many times people hoped for Conan and instead they got drag queens and gay characters. It's not just games, it's movies, TV, comics, RPGs, TTRPGs and so on. It's every thing pushing this crap down people's throats. People have had enough and they are pushing back against all of it. So no this isn't a gamer thing. This is society course correcting.
Lara croft , Ellie, Alloy , Henry. next ? ciri witcher 4 gay .
This. Asmon can be the mediator of common sense as much as he wants, it’s reached a point where a silent majority that was perma’d if they ever voiced anything akin to criticism about a piece of media that has lgbt stuff in it, simply doesn’t care for backlash anymore. I for one continue my silent non-buynary route. I’ll play old games or games from SEA that doesn’t have lgbt content. If a dev decides to put it in, then I’m not the target audience. If they can accept that I’m not buying, I can accept that they’re putting that kind of content in their games. There’s no point in arguing. I consider games with lgbt content a niche or genre. It’s not my genre of choice. The target audience can sustain those games. Calling me an -ist or -phobe won’t dissuade me.
I understand the reasoning, but you are falling into exactly the same trap as the wokies. What do we all hate about the wokies? The fact that they can’t tolerate even a single degree of deviance from their orthodoxy. This is exactly the psychology I see at work with KCD2. A black man - Woke! Cancelled! A single, completely optional gay romance in an RPG - Woke! Cancelled! By losing all sense of proportion, you become the very thing you hate.
The only people screaming about wokeness are the same type of people who scream in support of wokeness
If something woke makes you mad , go outside and touch grass
If something not woke makes you mad , go outside and touch grass
Both these types of people are the same and only really complain when it's not woke in their favor of their views
There is plenty of consumable media that isn't woke , you just aren't looking for it and most likely you enjoy being triggered
what a long roundabout way to say "it's because THIS game has a gay character". Buddy at least have the balls to admit it. If that statement of yours were true, you wouldnt be so triggered by it in the first place.
it's not used as a selling point, just an option in a literal role playing game where if caught you will be punished as according to the law and norms at the time
They made Henry gay. If the option is there, that means he's gay. If Geralt had a gay romance option, everyone would be calling him a bi icon. They went back and they made Henry gay and that's why people are mad.
@@krylotik Not me because I wouldn't have done the option..
@@krylotikI mean if you take the option for Henry to be gay, he can be, I don’t think you have to lol
@@boylibrary3533 Option there implies he is
They didnt make henry gay, they gave YOU the option to make him if you want, dont do it if you dont like it.
It is woke: Henry was a straight Christian, and now suddenly he isn't. The main African guy's input is a lecture on how much better women are treated in medieval Islamic society. Nobody *wants* it to be woke as it sounds like a great game.
Exactly it’s a joke lol but but muh racism they wuz scholars and feminists
@@famitsus987 Did you stop to consider you may be able to retort something to that "lecture", or the lecture being a case of irony that you can point out as Henry?
He wasn't very Christian in my playthrough of KCD1, I went to the bath houses so much Theresa stopped taking me back. 😆
Did you actually play the first KCD?i swear it always a poser who say these things, similar as ppl saying Player killed a pope in ACB isn't the one who played the game.
Mhm… my christian Henry killed half of the monastery monks in their sleep and had zero remorse. True saint lol
I have probably 700 hours in 1403 Bohemia playing KCD in multiple playthroughs - Bad Guy Henry, thief Henry, valorous and noble Henry, drunken Henry, non-drinking Henry... THAT is what "Role Playing" is about. But "Henry" is an existing character, with predetermined traits. He's male. He's a blacksmiths son (lol?), and he's initially clumsy and always hungry. When we meet him in Skalitz he's already with his girlfriend Bianca, but he's not above checking out other girls. Hell, its actually focused on at one point early when he checks out Theresa as she walks away - to the point his FATHER comments on it, "She's a fine looking lass...". He's not hanging out at the pond with Fritz or Matthew lol. And when the original game was released and this whole thing started, the Devs made the specific point that Henry is "A heterosexual, Christian man in 1403 Bohemia". THAT is why people who played this game are annoyed. They changed the character OF the character. For "reasons". This is nothing to do with role playing. It is what it is, and precisely what KCD II and Warhorse didn't need to do. It just makes Vavra look like he's full of shit. I remember playing RPG's about 7-8 years ago when male characters would make advances and have "Romance" options (I don't choose to play as a woman, because it's just not how I play games). I just ignored it, because that's not in my interest. Dragon Age Inquisition REALLY pushed that angle, but I ignored it. Same as in FO4 and Mass Effect. But who cares, people might like that, all good. But those characters were self-insert created characters. Henry is a character with an existing backstory. And it makes no sense to do this imo. Will I play KCD II? Yes, I love the first game and still look forward to 2, but as I said, after all the blather, Vavra looks like he's either a BS artist or got direction from someone else and doesn't want to admit it. Too bad. This is a small studio with a small, hardcore fan base... and EVERY OTHER GAME nowadays has plenty of content for people to live out their gay fantasies. There was no reason for this, and no point in damaging the brand.
imagine typing all this for no one to read or care.
The way it's being said is this gay option is if you do side quests, and specifically go through the steps to do this. I agree that's it an odd choice with the kick starter advertising where they say he's heterosexual, but he is and will be, In your game, in my game, and 95% of everyone else. It's fine to me.
@@JohnnyToboggan Yet here you are.
Somehow I don't care about what some random dude behind Warhorse YT account wrote 8 years ago (like, even the English name of Silver Skalitz is replaced by weird "Czenglish" Silver Skalice in that post)...
I care about what was in the game (i.e. prologue and main quest events), which does show that he liked girls, but in no way rule out he was bi... Like, if you asked me after KCD1 prologue if he's more likely bi or murdering maniac, I would probably go for the bi option.
I also don't think this option was necessary, but I really couldn't care less that game includes something I won't play. Yet I believe that the "canon Henry is straight, they said so in YT comment" is an absurd take.
I agree with alot that you have wrote but I won't be getting the game. They bent the knee and added this to capitulate to the ones that write the checks and now have spoke out against Christians, wanting a christian game. This is how it starts and we know when you give them an inch, they will demand a mile.
I mean honestly I saw metatron's video and as far as I'm concerned there is no controversy. There's people who have actually seen the content and then there's people who are getting hysterical because they're on the culture war bandwagon . I'm getting it to hell with them
Its sad that you have to watch some reaction youtuber to have any kind of opinion you sheep with no free will
@@IfciredNeck did u fall on your head as a bb?
I didn't even know about any of this until i checked the steam discussions yesterday
Game devs and publishers need to consider about the fact that there are many Steam users who simply blocked the tag LGBTQ+, so they'll never ever see your games on the store at all, no matter if it's just a small portion of your games.
So they can cut off the most toxic gamers without having to lift a finger?
This. I am one such gamer.
@@Billy-bc8pk So what games have you enjoyed these last few years?
@@CrackCatWantsPat dude. I have over 500 games. I can even get PS2 emulator. there's more games out there and you are not forced to play new stuff. I even can go and play the DLCs from the first KCD or even replay it.
The devs should make something i want. If not. I can move on without care. other devs will provides. i can get KDC2 in 3 years when it's 80% off. When it would been first week buy for me.
@CoolSs Hahahahha but why would you play KCD 1 when it ALSO has gay characters in it?
This is starting a boy who cried woke situation
I’ll say it. I don’t what gay stuff in games.
So dont be gay and select the gay option. Case closed.
Do you want straight stuff in games?
Me, I just want games to be good.. who cares what options you have available if the game is good.
See Baldurs Gate, Cyberpunk 2077 etc..
It was in the first game
You don't buy the KCD at all then. The gay stuff was in the first game as well
@@CringeConsultant FACTS BRO!
Also devs were SAYING that Henri is a staight cristian dude and now they are going back on it. Simple as that. And out of it there are a lot of other reasons why EXACTLY they against it. Also Black Rock giving warhorse money which is also really fkng bad.
It ultimately comes down to this analogy. It's akin to a tug of war. You HAVE to "overcorrect" in order to pull things in your direction because the other side (the wokists) will never stop trying to pull in theirs through any means necessary. If you try to stand in one place while the other side are doing everything they can to pull in their direction, you WILL LOSE.
Oh my god how online do you have to be lmao, art is art, you can't dumb it down to a "tug of war" game, no wonder gaming is dying, everyone just want their own beliefs shoved down their throat and their ego stroked, no sense for nuance or perspective or growth or anything
It's the zero tolerance mindset, depends on the situation if it helps but everyone is different.
No.
To support this while knowing it's an overcorrection (which it is) makes you a hypocrite. Now your liable to receive the same objective criticisms for no reason.
Adding an option to be gay doesn't force you to be gay. Same way adding the option to murder innocent pilgrims and townsfolk to level sneak doesn't autopmatically make you a murderer.
It's your choice!
@@TimePlayerOfficial art ceases to be art when its a business.
a single unique painting is art
a thousand copies of a painting is not art, its a business
and games are not singular, they sell copies not a unique master copy that only 1 person can have at a time
@idminister That is not true at all dude. Art is something that can be perceived from a multitude of perspectives, it does not seek to lecture, but to show, and allow you to make a decision on the basis of what you see, nothing is right or wrong, it balances on a gray line. Are you saying shows like breaking bad where to this day, people are still having debates on the morals of characters and themes is not art? There is nowhere in the world where the definition of art is something only made for a singular person.
Gaming is an art, and your point of it “being a business” making it not an art does not make any sense, because art throughout history has always been treated as a business, and has always been sold for currency. There isn’t anything wrong with “selling” thought provoking content. Games like DA veilgard are not art because they are lectures and seminars, they do not make you think but rather tell you what is right and wrong, which is why no one liked it. If I wanted that I’d read an argumentative essay.
Commander Shepard in Mass Effect also has that but it wasn't as controversial because its still up to the player he/she can go gay or not at all. But this was never hinted for the first parts of that trilogy.
yeah there was some very un-christianlike actions in the first one but no rainbow stuff for henry. I dont care what npc's do.
@@Armand-ue7om that's how this game is. People who.think Henry was an established character are just idiots. They always used YOUR Henry when talking about it, he always has scenes with Hans that made me question what was about to happen, he always had OPTIONAL love interests and you could chose to do witchcraft and bad mouth the church. So this he is a straight white Christian thing is just the reverse bigoted hate. Two sides of the same coin.
@@thedakotalogs I do not totally understand how are people using the straight Henry as an argument. That is just, in my opinion, politization. If I remember correctly the only obligatory romance in kcd was with Bianca, and even that does not exclude bisexuality. I am just saying that those matters where really never addresed and I do not care a bit. After all, it is not a sexual game, it is an adventures one. If someone does not want to play it for this specific tertiary content (that we must see what it actually is), he is in his total right of not playing. In my case, I do not know if tomorrow I am going to sleep at all.
Buuuut even if they didn't hinted at it for KCD, these people today are gonna still be mad about it after they find out through gameplay. They will always find anything as "DEI insert" or "woke". And It's simple, back then you didn't had this internet battle over these issues, now these people do, so games prior our times aren't "woke", but today modern games with the same topics as in the past are now "woke".
Shepard was a tabula rasa character, you could even be male or female. Henry was a preset character.
People aren’t saying it’s “evil” we are just sick of seeing it at all period! Especially when the character has an established backstory just to throw it away for gay!
His backstory isnt being thrown away? And he is not gay? You MAKE him gay if you want. How can you not grasp that?
@@tzoanast1061 This is beyond his understanding.
WAH cry some more!
Nah it definitely is evil. The people doing this aren't honest or virtuous.
@@tzoanast1061 The dev team said that the main character doesn’t change by our choice; he is who he is, period. So your argument is invalid.
the only reason they added it. was because its historical. if you go the gay route in the game. you literally get tonnes of negative penalities. and sometimes get killed for heresay
seems like a great playthrough. lol
@@phantombigboss8429 gaythrough
@@yorrrrorrrssarratras sounds like fun. I’m buying the game now just to make you cry! Lmao
@ i don't mind it
@@yorrrrorrrssarratras awesome then
We can't give an inch. It doesn't matter if this isn't that bad. You give an inch and we are right back where we were 4 years ago.
So you suggest to just be extreme, that's the main problem, you guys can't even think in a moderate way
@@eliascabbio7598years and years of pandering to a tiny amount of people over the masses will lead to a reaction
@@BR0984 I agree that woke policies are doing more harm than good, especially to people who don't even want to be a matter of cultural war, but I'm saying that if you always react with extreme rethoric and strategies, you won't get anywhere, the problem remains there and your opponents will get angrier and more aggressive.
Instead of befriending people with strong and polarizing ideas, we should just be rational: there are some things that we should allow, like making people choose their sexual orientation in videogames, and there are things that we must not allow, such as rewriting history
@@eliascabbio7598 you lost the election, cry harder
@eliascabbio7598 there's no need for it. Its a waste of time and resources.
Everything has a gay or trans character now. If there's even a wif I'm out. Me my wife and our 4 kids used to go opening night to every marvel movie. Haven't been to one since dr strange multiverse and I dont plan on ever watching anything with a Disney logo. My kids stopped asking about disney about 2 years ago. We even replanned our vacation because of transgenders in dresses playing dress up with the little girls at Disney.
This shit needs to end, there is a time and place for everything.
there was a gay guy in the first game at the monastery, he was hiding it.. i imagine back in the day there were alot of gay people and they hid it because of the times.... as long as its not a forced thing then who cares, just play the game and choose not to be lol
I don't think he played the first game. The character was confirmed to be straight by the devs when the first game released, nobody likes retcons.
Wrong lol. It was a quote from a moderator on a forum. NOT the game devs and not an official comment.
@@johnathanera5863 Wrong lol. It was from the official Warhorse youtube account
@@hardwatergaming7965 was it? Do you know the name of the video about? I dont recall a video ever saying it, but...that was a long time ago.
@@hardwatergaming7965 Can’t really be a retcon when nothing in the original piece of media itself contradicts the “change”
I do not like woke games, but I’m not against gays or trans. I think gamers just want to have options on those if they want the game to be portrayed. Most of social media can twist and turn their words to make the game either playable or spit upon. Besides, I want to see how gamers play it and give their reviews (no hiding their review numbers/score like Rotten Tomatoes) than the woke gaming journos reviews.
I was not able to see kingdom come deliverance 2 on the steam store. Turns out it got caught in my store filter for "LGBT+". Maybe somebody else had the same problem :D
I think a good game trumps anything, so we'll just have to see how it goes. I don't like DEI either, but you look at something like the woke games spreadsheet, and you have stuff like "Game unplayable - black chef npc", and that's clearly an overreaction.
Well given KCD2 is #3 in top sellers I reckon it's a small minority crying about it
@@joshbotttelovesvids8503 It's a vocal minority yes, for the first time im concerned for ''my side'' and the amount of tourists in it.
@@joshbotttelovesvids8503It's now the best-selling paid game.
@@joshbotttelovesvids8503 definitely. Besides, the content everyone's crying about is optional.
Overcorrection was always going to be inevitable. Let's not throw away the baby with the bathwater. DEI is evil and opposing it is good. Even if it goes a bit far sometimes. The opposition hasn't even truly gotten ground yet and here we are attacking it? Not good. Let the pendulum swing - only that way will there be balance in the end.
“Cyberpunk 2077 had controversial stuff in it” It’s set in the FICTIONAL FUTURE. It’s not based on real life history like Kingdom Come Deliverance II… obviously.
Not only that, cyberpunk is a representation of a dystopia and not a utopia and yet it's being used as the template for our future
@@MonsterJuiced Cyberpunk is a dystopia because the corporations have complete unrestrained power. Not because "muh lgbt people".
lol excuses hahaha
It is happening the other way around. There are gay characters that turn out to be bisexual. It's true that it's less common than straight to bi, but it's the same in real life.
Asmon says it's a "false positive", but neglected to notice that the trigger for it was completely unnecessary. If they hadn't added the option none of this controversy would've happened. The subsequent Devs' attempts to defend it made things worse. It was a completely unnecessary friction point added for no net benefit. No one was going to refuse to buy KCD 2 because the option didn't exist. So the question becomes, why was this friction point added? And why was it so necessary to go that far to try to defend the decisions leading to this friction point being added?
Personally I don't give a shit about this, its an RPG. If you want to be a homo, go for it. I'll stick to my canon Henry, a straight white Christian male, Because KCD2 is a continuation of KCD1 and thats it. If Warhorse hasn't been infected by DEI, mainly Embracer Group, This still should be the good old experience it was the first time around.
Overall, the real reason people are upset over this, is because it's an insult to people's intelligence to tell them, "no, its optional, Henry can be gay if he wants to." AFTER Warhorse was HEAVILY against forced DEI, and establishing that Henry is indeed Henry and NOT the player. That is really why people are mad, They are treating the community as if they are stupid.
People are right to be upset about that and call out Warhorse's bullshit. They deserve the backlash for boldly lying to people's faces. I don't believe a single word from the community manager or Vávra. They are either taking the piss or full of shit.
It is true if they hadn't added the option this would all be fine. I don't think people would give a shit about the Mali guy if it wasn't a compounded issue. They hear about a gay sex scene and the Mali dude which Warhorse HEAVILY were fighting against the first time KCD1 was launching, gay people were attacking it because Henry wasn't gay and the woke mob was attacking it for "being to white". Now out of the blue, there's a gay scene and a random black guy. So of course people are going to question these decisions as they weren't present 8 years ago, which again, they heavily fought against.
NDA.
Its a player choice not a friction point moron. U sound like a 60 yr old Karen who complains about her neighbour wearing Goth clothes.
creative vision my man
Why is it a friction point to begin with? Are you afraid you'd get a boner ?
Im getting tired of the mental gymnastics people use to say gay stuff in media isnt woke. Sorry, it is. the real question is, what level of woke are you personally willing to accept?
It's not anymore woke then having straight people in your game. And that's just a fact.
Now the way the relationship is framed CAN be woke. If it's preachy or unbeleivable, etc. But it's mere existence is not. And if you think it is, you either actually ARE an honest to God homophobe, or you've spent WAY to much time on the internet.
Isn’t woke supposed to be forced diversity? Ffs, you morons need to come up with a definition
Woke is a really undefined word, there isn't one definition so it make sense some call it woke others not.
@F0zek yes it is. It's the representation of a marginalized group. So basically anyone other than white men since the left considers everyone but them as marginalized due to their beliefs of systematic racism and sexism.
The vision of warhorse is KCD2, KCD1 was a warm-up the depth they wanted to achieve was not possible in KCD1 due to experience, man power and money. Their vision is to make a immersive and deep RPG.
Since the tutorial in KCD 1, Henry was craving that man meat. Our artistic vision was that in his journey he will find a decent Christian man and get jiggly with it. But unfortunately we did not possess the funding or technology (that Baldur's Gate 3 had) in that era. We were not able to find a good porn actor to make the grunting noises and the meat slapping sounds so we just got the basic bitch and gave you all the vanilla hetero normative sexuality. But as I mentioned before, our artistic vision was always that if we make a sequel, we will use the money to craft the true democrat American experience: you will have the option to perform into homosexual activities just like every decent Christian peasant would.
Too bad they could have said that, but they pandered the switched
@@Superb_Legend They did say that. Go back to the first reveal last year. They said this game is what the first one was supposed to be. And he said Henry is YOU.
@@FordHoard You should look into what they were saying back when it was just the first game. They outright declared this was a Christian game and that it was Henry's story and that it wouldn't be the same experience as other people's own experiences since it's his life. They went 180 on the things they said and that's why they're in hot water. At the end of the day, Warhorse is already property of an ESG-DEI proponent company, hence they will go against anything they've established in the past just to cater to their executives and investors. Everything is just marketing jargon at this point, which people are pointing out.
@@Superb_Legend Explain the pandering if they allow a choice for gay sex?
Ideally, in an RPG, you'd have so many options that you can do/be virtually anything you can think of, like a sandbox with countless side stories surrounding your main storyline. Think a D&D session where both players and the DM are making stuff up on the fly, although a lot of the baseline is laid out beforehand. It's costly to make a video game quite like that, so you pick the interesting stuff that you think of during development and iterate on it to give it depth. Now to be gay in medieval Bohemia has so much potential for things to happen, all the secrecy, possible consequences and so on, that I can very much see why they would want this particular option to be there. Whether it's justified or not depends on the execution, as always. Same thing with having a black guy around. Wouldn't really make sense in a small village like the ones in the first game (why would a presumably rich and educated stranger even go there at the time) but the city in the second game was one of the more common destinations to go, and people from all over would find themselves there - and again, having a stranger from a far away land can spawn quite a bit of interesting storytelling, especially when he looks quite different from everyone else.
Try being gay in 1400's and have fun roleplaying unnofficial public execution for sodomy. I mean, it surely would add a lot to the historical aspect of the game, but we both know that's (probably) not how thing will turn out to be.
The earliest ambasador from a central african to an european country is from 1488 in Portugal BUT the sultan of Oman had a "trade office" in Prague in XIth century as the city was a super important slave trade hub. Now a dude claiming (aka lieing)to be from Mali, is possibile. There were a ton of garivagus, wondering monks, and relic traders that claimed to be from the Lewant, but were actualy Berber or Spanish arabs, or sefardi jews.
So why is Mansa Musa sleeping around with multiple women and c ucking you with Katherine and everyone in Bohemia is fine with it?
It comes down to the developer grifting for the support of right wing people to make his first game successful. They stated in very plain english (and czech) that Henry is a straight, white, czech man from 15th century Bohemia. Backpedaling now that you don't need the support anymore is just lame, any man sees this.
Wow it's as if creative vision can change in 8 years huh?
Okay so are you saying that I can no longer choose to play Henry as a straight white male? As in are they forcing me to play as a gay character (which is forcing an agenda), or is that just in option in a game that prides itself on giving people options (which isnt pushing or forcing an agenda).
@@caldale4941 They retconned an established character -- in KCD3 you will likely end up playing as a transformer.
For my the biggest problem is they tried to hide it. And keep it secret. And then it leaked and they came with a awkward statement.
Then more backlash came out and they said yes to every leak.
I really dont understand why they wanted to lie and keep it a secret towards their main playerbase?
@@Badookum Wow, it's as if my wallet will stay closed, huh?
its not what's in the game that ruined it. It's how the Devs treated everyone when people questioned it. They lied, gaslighted, and insulted our intelligence. How they handled the controversy convinced me to cancel my preorder.
Who cares, the game is great, can't wait to play it on Tuesday, very pleased with my gold edition pre order
No
@@CarlosRivera-cg4cs Yes
I think they just wanted to add more options for players to be able to enjoy the game and play in their own ways, i'm so excited to finally be able to play the game
@@alexpaez5621 not game development put game investors want to be I game
Gay sex is disgusting to any normal man. Full stop. People generally dont want to buy things that disgust them.
This isnt rocket science.
There are 3 kinds of men 1) Normal men who are disgusted by gay sex 2) abnormal men who like it (e.g. gay men) 3) and cowards who are lying about it
Do I have the choice, as a player, to out the gay character to authorities? Or do I ONLY have the choice to engage or not engage in the gay relationship? Can I call out the muslim character on their dialogues about how Islam treats women better?
If this whole "player agency" thing goes both ways, then yeah I'm all for it cause it shows it actually has player agency as the core interest. If it goes only one way then it does raise some red flags.
Bro you like lolis shut up
some people wait around DYING to get offended by something. Its like a drug to them
Personally I want gay shit in my videogames if IAM the character, examples include, skyrim baldurs gate etc. (my favourite romance option in BG3 were literally mostly the men except for minthara).
I think the difference is, introducing characters in a way vs changing them to be another way later on.
For example Overwatch suddenly talking about certain characters actually being gay, despite there being no sign of it before because they obviously just pulled it out of their ass.
Also Genre obviously plays a factor as well, having a historic game vs a fantasy game.
People being upset about OTHER people have the option to make a choice, that they themselves don’t need to make, is wild
did you not listen? we don't want gay sht in games, period. It's our money not yours.
What is wild is demonizing people's values and opinions. That is wild.
Wrong again idiot, you don't even understand why most complain well too bad.
I don't normally follow this guy but this is a very solid take.
there cannot be enough of an "over correction".
The DEI/Woke side has gone so far, taken over so much, destroyed so much, that no amount of over correction is excessive.
In real world? Yes. In case of KCD? It is idiotic and self-defeating. Vávra is the most openly non-woke developer there is. If he claims he made these design choices because he thought they were interesting for the game, then that's what it is.
@@8Paul7fell for it again Lmao imagine believing a ✡️ is non woke
@@8Paul7 Not in the real world either. People need to learn to differentiate again and calm the f down and have some sense of moderation in life. People really need to calm down, they don't even realise they're just as radical as the woke people they hate so much.
@123Suffering456 "nooo you're just as radical and that's bad because it just is"
I fully agree
As long as it's an option that can be avoided, im fine. The problem is they can't help themselves and will not leave it at that. It's why we're in this mess to begin with.
Actually nuts how many people are saying they made Henry gay. A gay relationship option being in the game doesn’t make Henry as a character gay. My Shepherd could have clapped Kaiden’s cheeks in ME but my shepherd was a straight guy.
Honestly, if we go back to the type of RPGS where you can just do what you want then awesome. Nothing wrong with gay stuff in games.
On a serious point, as woke dies off it will become persistently obvious that the people who hate woke stuff because it’s obnoxious and forced are not the same as the ones that have got lost in the sauce and think everything with black or gay is woke lol
The Anti Woke crowd are losing it and its soo funny to see!
Why is it in the game though and why now when it previously wasn’t. Why does it even need to be in the game, it adds nothing
@@jimst3r1 unless you want to roleplay a gay Henry lol then it adds something. And you don’t need to touch the gay my friend. If you play an rpg the same way every time each play-through it doesn’t mean the other routes and options didn’t have to be there.
Don’t speak reason to the neckbeards
They are literally to dumb to get it
@@jimst3r1 Except that it was in the first game as well
The game is out, and it's amazing watching people shit on it because of ragebait. 90% of the stuff they complain about isn’t even in the game the way they make themselves believe. There’s zero chance these people ever played the first game or were ever going to play the second-just a bunch of keyboard warriors 🤡🤡🤡
Ragebait? But it is true, they replaced established character sexuality for no reason. What so rage baiting about it? One doesn't exclude the other game can be amazing and have dramas or problems that people complain about jesus how old are you?
the reason for the hate of KCD2 isn't because it went woke its the fact they changed the lore then tried to hide the fact they retconned the game. Especially when people found old articles, comments and pieces of lore written or said by the devs against the retconnine. Its very similar to the retconnof the Custodes in 40k the lore has been for years its make only custodes then Amazon wants to make a show about Custodes and they want females in it all of a sudden there are female custodes
What lore got changed ? Henry is still the same as he ever was, he still has the exact same backstory. But the only thing truly canon in the first game was the main story and maybe a few dlcs/side quests. Having an additional romance option in the 2nd game isn't changing the lore.
@@hunterhorsehelmsley7315 the fact the devs responded to a comment and literally described henry as quote " a straight white Catholic male"
@@ragjr992 That wasn't a dev. What you are referring to was on a TH-cam technical test demo of the game, and Vavra confirmed the guy was just the account manager they hired who had no idea about the actual dev process.
Henry is Christian and yet you can still make him commit nearly every sin in the book, in the Johanka dlc, you can still act like everything she's saying is complete bollocks and refuse to repent for any of your actions. Henry can still be straight if you want him to be. Just don't pursue the single same sex romance option.
I honestly feel bad for Varva. He signed deal with the devil to get the money for his dream game and tried to keep the mandatory woke shit to the minimum and it still bite him to the ass in 5he end.
AM I GOING INSANE OR IS THAT KENSHI MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND
the games woke and asmon is running defence
The KCD2 drama is the dumbest shit I've seen in a while. The first game was barraged with hate for not having any minorities (in a game set in 15th century Czech Republic) and now the opposite end of the spectrum is hating on the sequel for having a gay character. Is this a South Park episode or something?
Yes
Anti woke extremists are just as bananas as woke extremists. There is a guy who make list of "woke games" and he puts games on the list for things like having a prominent female character or for having "gay music".😮
I honestly do not mind them changing the character from straight to bisexual or gay. I just wont play it, saves me money. The main character was fundamentally changed.... why do that? I am so over agendas being pushed it just turns me off completely. It is like agenda overload. I am having fun playing Cyberpunk with the massive mod pack NIghtcity. I do not mind the wide range of sexuality in that game, it fits the context of the story. But changing historical lore, and main characters to be more DEI, I will pass.
Henry is a established character he always was, people always give me the examples of other western RPG's like Cyberpunk, Balder's Gate, Dragon Age... But in these games you are creating a "self insert" you have a character creator you can change the characters appearance, name, gender, gender preferences, everything and anything, in Kingdom Come Deliverance you can't do that Henry is a already written and established character and even the devs admitted it 8 years ago saying Henry is straight and will stay so and then they make him BI? I think there is nothing wrong in being gay or bi but you can't expect people to accept a story retcon a story re-write a character re-write, retcon's are usually a sign of bad story writing or woke activist mentality to change the previous story because you feel "guilty" that you didn't have enough "representation" and that's why this controversy blew up Asmongold.
The moderator's statement on the warhorse account is not an official character setting. Especially when he admitted that it wasn't an official setting.
Of course, you're still stuck on the same one but he's set up.. Even if he's not. But if it helps you to say it, then say it, after all, being stupid is not illegal, and falls under freedom of speech..
@@radekburian9522 It was stated on their offical YT account where only the devs respond and have access to, there it was stated that Henry is a "white male straight Christian and a son of a blacksmith" and that he will only have straight options because he is an "established" character. And even Daniel Vavra once comfronted with that evidence only reponded with: this was then things have changed we have a bigger budget even though their investor back at Kingdom Come Deliverance 1 was a billionaire but sure... They tried to find any excuse for that retcon, same thing you are doing now. Their response on every single controversy was poor for example the Saudi Arabian ban, they denied is true and said is false, it turns out it was true and why lying? Just say how it is, is not like Saudi Arabia isn't known for their strict content regulations but by lying in our faces you are making things just worse. Then after that their community manager started to censor people, ban them for questioning their decisions or jist simply asking questions related to these controversies... I can go on and on, is not just that one Henry is BI stuff that upset a lot of people, me included is so much more than nust that.
They clearly were forced by Embracer Group their investors who are all pro DEI to implement the Henry stuff and the black guy but then please don't lie to us fans just so that every argument can be easily disproven, it just ruins your credibility.
@@radekburian9522It was stated on their offical YT account where only the devs respond and have access to, there it was stated that Henry is a "white male straight Christian and a son of a blacksmith" and that he will only have straight options because he is an "established" character and once people confronted Daniel Vavra with that evidence he only reponded with: this was then things have changed we have a bigger budget even though their investor back at Kingdom Come Deliverance 1 was a billionaire but sure... They tried to find any excuse for that retcon, same thing you are doing now. Their response on every single controversy was poor for example the Saudi ban, they denied is true and said is false, it turns out it was true and why lying? Just say how it is true, is not like Saudi isn't known for their strict content regulations but by lying in our faces you are making things just worse. Then after that their community manager started to censor people, ban them for questioning their decisions or just simply asking questions related to these controversies... I can go on and on, is not just that one Henry is BI stuff that upset a lot of people, me included is so much more than just that.
They clearly were forced by Embracer Group their investors who are all pro DEI to implement the Henry stuff and the black guy but then please don't lie to us fans just so that every argument can be easily disproven, it just ruins your credibility.
@@radekburian9522 It was stated on their offical YT account where only the devs respond and have access to, there it was stated that Henry is a "white male straight Christian and a son of a blacksmith" and that he will only have straight options because he is an "established" character and once people confronted Daniel Vavra with that evidence he only reponded with: this was then things have changed we have a bigger budget even though their investor back at Kingdom Come Deliverance 1 was a billionaire but sure... They tried to find any excuse for that retcon, same thing you are doing now. Their response on every single controversy was poor for example the Saudi ban, they denied is true and said is false, it turns out it was true and why lying? Just say how it is true, is not like Saudi isn't known for their strict content regulations but by lying in our faces you are making things just worse. Then after that their community manager started to censor people, ban them for questioning their decisions or just simply asking questions related to these controversies... I can go on and on, is not just that one Henry is BI stuff that upset a lot of people, me included is so much more than just that.
They clearly were forced by Embracer Group their investors who are all proDEI to implement the Henry stuff but then please don't lie to us fans just so that every argument can be easily disproven, it just ruins your credibility.
@@radekburian9522 It was stated on their offical YT chanel where only the devs respond and have access to, there it was stated that Henry is a "white male straight Christian and a son of a blacksmith" and that he will only have straight options because he is an "established" character and once people confronted Daniel (the dev) with that evidence he only reponded with: this was then things have changed we have a bigger budget even though their investor back at Kingdom Come Deliverance 1 was a billionaire but sure... They tried to find any excuse for that retcon, same thing you are doing now. Their response on every single controversy was poor for example the SaudiBAN, they denied is true and said is false, it turns out it was true and why lying? Just say how it is, is not like we don't known how strict their regulations can be but by lying to us you are making things just worse. Then after that their community-manager started to censor people, ban them for questioning their decisions or just simply asking questions related to these controversies... I can go on and on, is not just that one Henry is BI stuff that upset a lot of people, me included is so much more than just that.
They clearly were told by Embracer Group their investors who are all proDEI to implement the Henry stuff but then please don't gaslight us fans and be honest to us, that's all what I have to say regarding this topic.
Let's be clear. Most of antiwoke crowd who has seen first game and studio as based, never played it and never intended to play 2nd game. They are as part of "vocal minority" or so called "modern audience' who never buys these games they speak about as the crowd on the opposite side. These people are mirroring irrational behaviours of ones they made fun of once. One calling KCD woke was laughing about other side having melt down about wukong or stellar blade. Such snowflake type of people.
This being told, first game had at least 2 gay characters in there. Thats why it's easy to pick who really has played and care about KCD games and who only yap about them.
I'm antiwoke and I bought the first game and beat it. so you can shove that lying rubbish where the sun don't shine.
Basically, KCD2 catching strays
sure after they put themselves in the middle of a shoot out that they didn't have to
When something is constantly shoved down peoples throat people tend to develop a gag reflex.
I can’t stand woke games, but the hate this game is getting is being completely blown out of proportion
The black guy they added has dialogue, where He says it is much safer in his country, and they treat women better. In reality, they enslaved women. It's not very good for a historical game. Explain that one away as anything else but woke nonsense.
Agreed
the henry retconn deserves its backlash too many characters have been defiled over the years
you just dont turn him alphabet and expect good things in this era, congrats everything is now political lol.
Let's be real, you love woke and u probably a rear taker😂
Grown men crying 😂 lol
There's drama regarding KCD2? All I see is the awesome preview about it
Yes, because a certain part of people think that the game is woke, even though literally the game will punish you if you choose to sin and sleep with the same sex.. Terribly woke.
Simply extremists are on both sides.
They made it gay
Some sad freaks are mad theres an option lol. Ignore them.
@acain6803 they did? Is it with Hans Capon? There's always this air between them but I always thought it was brotherly love. I mean Henry did fuck girls in the first one and has a girlfriend. So at most he's Bi, not Gay
Considering the crazy and unethical stuff you can do with Henry in KCD1 and probably in KCD2, doing gay stuff pales in comparison. The devs gave us options to explore and even amuse us. Gay people existed all the time, you have the option to do that too, since Henry is not canonnically a thief or murderer either.
Yeah this is the point that I thought of as well Henry was never a good christian you have the option to go around boozing, fornicating, killing, stealing and lying but we draw the line at being gay/bi.
I want to have the choice to shape the character I play. Why do you decide for me what I want?
My money, my game, none of your business.
It won't be that easy to make him a bi.
Considering that he will only offer it to you in one mission, where you will have to say 5 things in the conversation without making a mistake.
They dont decide for you tho...What are you on about?
If anyone encounters gay stuff in the game its because they forced henry to be gay themselves. Its you who is gay if you pursue that outcome
Henry is a reflection of the player 😂
The dev team said that the main character doesn’t change by our choice; he is who he is, period. So your argument is invalid.
@@tyrkdlesathlike he can understand the issue people have with it in the first place...
I'm more upset with Mansa Musa sleeping with Katherine and other women in Bohemia and everyone is fine with it
Don't really like a lot of his takes etc but very solid of him for being one of the sane people in the room. 100% agree with the take. Nobody would of batted an eye if this was during the time of the release of KCD 1
Sometimes I think how Elden Ring would have been received if it came out in 2025 instead of 2022. Would people have enjoyed it for what it was or would they try to shit on it before launch because of the “body type 1/body type 2” thing?
I feel like gaming culture has moved so hard in the other direction in such a short time.
@@dngn4774 Tbf the pendulum swung crazy fast and far to the left post-gamergate and between 2018-2023, this is just overcorrection as it swings fast and far the other way.
@ My tinfoil hat theory is that culture in the U.S. got more conservative because of the streaming wars. Every streaming service going at it created an artificial demand for content, which led to a need for more ad money, which led to adding DEI to entertainment so that it could fund more exclusive content.
As a result you have every piece of mass media pushing inclusivity at the same time with lower quality scripts which eventually eroded good will with the public ( pattern recognition evolving to “woke” = bad storytelling) and created the sparks for a reactionary movement against corporate wokeness.
@@dngn4774what drugs have you been taking?
Yes because henry back then would be new character, now he is established HOW HARD IS IT TO NOT STRAWMEN THIS???
If you played that opening battle scene and prologue and thought “this is clearly gay” then idk how to help you
When games like Space Marine II are being called "woke" you know things have gone too far....
Wait, that happened?
@@ansur1783 Some guy made this huge, ridiculous list of all the current and upcoming releases a while back purporting to identify woke content. Space Marine II was woke apparently because of "improbable diversity" - aka one of your marines was a black guy and the other part Asian.
@@ansur1783believe it or not I have encountered people saying that.
@@ansur1783 yes and there are also people calling doom woke
@@christopherwatson4763 whole 1 person, i mean i can also make strawmen arguments based on objectively really small number of people.
I'm from Poland and if the game costs 100 dollars, it's like 450 zł which is our currency, 3/4 of the population earns about 5000, crazy prices, won't buy the game at this price ever, maybe wait 6 months for a discount
cant wait to see this video on his channel, Glad hes got good take on this, KCD2 deserves better
lol loser
I can not imagine any circumstance in which I could spare a crumb of credence for any "take" from someone who has such an aggressively horrendous "take" on Dark Souls 2.
I can't kill the gay npc so I'm not buying. I wanted to do a proper crusade but I guess you can't in this game...
That’s a big thing for me. There are probably only going to be less than a dozen essential npc’s in the entire game which means the entire plot of the story hinges on whatever gay character they added. If it really was a hidden optional side quest it wouldn’t be with an essential npc.
So you also boycotted the first game since you couldn't kill the gay NPC:s?
most likely it will be the same as kcd where minor characters that are involved with the story are unkillable until you get past the point where they are involved then you can kill them
There was at least one gay man in KCD1. Then you had a few who might have been but it was never confirmed in game.
They changed the character. It's pushing an agenda. I'm not buying it.
No they made it more accessible to roleplay as henry lmao
They should have, KCD 1 is linear aa fuck for an RPG of this type, which made sense because non-linearity is expensive, but KCD 2 doesn't have to be.
@lukkkasz323 Its not the game play I'm concerned with. It's the agenda I don't like. I'm not going to pay for a game that pushes an agenda that is old and tired and I disagree with. Just make fun games with no agenda like they used to make. Not a big ask.
@@MrRodzilla01jesus people like you really exist. Actual homophobes. I thought the left screaming about you people was a dog whistle but there are legitimately a few of you around. Sad.
@@MrRodzilla01 and theres no agenda here. The first game everyone basically says “Jesus chris be praised” and similar religious stuff. its not any agenda and you didn’t see anyone saying anything then.
I would not care about characters being gay if it not Henry and Hans. They could have added some quest where you can help or not some gay couple like how in first game you have Witches quest.
Sub saharan african is almost a bigger issue. They could have added north africans or arabs and turks and nobody would care but they had to go for the DEI money.
Asmongold nailed it!
For myself, I won’t be buying this day one, I was planning on, but changed my mind.
I’m going wait for reviews and I might get it on a major sale only because I don’t trust this studio enough to pull the trigger day one after the shit that I’ve seen and the shit that I’ve heard.
You don’t just make a main character gay for the sake of agenda. You just don’t do that. He was straight as an arrow in the first game if he’s gay or if he even hints being gay at all in this game to me that’s woke. I’m sick of this woke crap.
It’s an RPG - the point of a good RPG is that the player decides. Do you want Henry to be noble and good? You have that option. Do you want him to be cruel and violent? You have that option. Do you want him to be gay, or bisexual? You have that option. Do you want him to be straight? You have that option. There is nothing woke about freedom of choice. That’s actually an anti-woke value. Wokies tend to hate genuine freedom of choice.
You control the buttons you press
He's... Not gay though? You can end the first game as a virgin, there's even an achievement for it. And Henry would assume he's straight because that's the default assumption. He's also obviously sexually attracted to women. He just has the option to explore his feelings with men, which everyone has. That doesn't make you gay. You're only gay when you are a guy and think sex with women is icky and are instead sexually attracted to men. Or vise versa if you're talking about women.
dont make ingame choices to kiss men and youre good
On another topic, Bloodbourne is playable on PC!
Whohooo!
I agree with all this. Im one of the people hes talking about. The smallest hint of DEI and im not interested. You give an inch and they will take a mile.
I know right? How dare they acknowledge the existance of minorities?!
So you're unreasonable, gotcha.
@SweHall I don't know what that means. I'm fed up with DEI to the point where even if it has an arguably reasonable amount of something "woke" like optional gay Henry, I'm still going to avoid it like the plague. Not saying I'm right, I'm just completely done.
CharlieMander843 You do you but from were I'm standing your take seems dramatic. I'm mean take a step back abit.. you know ( if you really following Warhorse or Did your research) that Warhorse isn't pushing an agenda here, so why all this drama surrounding it? It's start to look like those guys are just on a rampage trying to destroy what's left of the gaming industry whether it's justified or not. I'm pissed off because Warhorse doesn't deserve this, I watched their Dev stream the other day and you see their passion for the community and their game and you got people who probably weren't even going to play the game anyways trying to ruining that excitement because of of a culture war? An attack that wasn't even justified? Surely, people have ability to see what is an agenda or not and not just attack every game with a hint of woke with a blind rage.
@@NathanFrank-n9d I watched a video recently by Brett Cooper on "Right Wing Cancel Culture". I'm seeing how me being so far right and also unforgiving could actually be hurting my cause, but at same time hard to change. I see your points though, It's logical.
I’ll never understand that.
Since when is depicting real life stuff in a video game suddenly „woke“ and therefore bad?
I get that it’s annoying when it’s forced and contradictory to previous lore. But when i have a game like GTA6 for example, which is depicting IRL Florida. And i have for example a trans barkeeper who shows up for like 5 minutes in the game, is the game now „Woke and Bad“? No, because this exists IRL and can easily happen.
Why does a game have to act like this doesn’t exist, just because people are full of hate and boycotting every so called „Woke-Game“?
No one complained about Cyberpunk being woke because Judy was homosexual. Ah right, Gay is only bad when it’s men.
If the option exists in a game to be homosexual and you hate it, just don’t pick the option?? Why you have to be so mad at a studio for being open and tolerant to all people? It’s not forcing you to be gay. Y’all literally getting mad for no reason at all. It’s not affecting your life in any way.
Now Trump bans pronouns an trans people from military. Sorry but shouldn’t he be worried about actual problems that affect people in their lives? Renaming the Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America? All these changes are not in the interest of anyone. It’s just pure egoism and personal despise being enforced.
Coz people are sick of seeing it, it’s being planted on purpose.
Everyone just wants no gay shit in games.
@ But it exists in our world, so why not include it in media like video games? I don’t care at all as long as it doesn’t seem forced or obvious it’s only there for inclusion. If you get a job somewhere and one of your coworkers is gay, do you quit too? Nah it exists, deal with it and just ignore it. People forget that you can just look past stuff like that. But people just choose to be mad about something so irrelevant and little like this. Why? Idk, maybe people are just bored asf and love to hate for the sake of it.
If handled right, a game doesn’t have to be bad. Best example is Baldurs Gate 3 or Cyberpunk.
Ffs even Last of Us has a gay main character since the first game in 2013, and no one complained. Y’all just trying to look for something to hate upon, that’s kinda sad since there are real problems out there you need to worry about.
@ chicken nuggets exist, Japanese exist, rockets exist. Doesn’t mean it should be in the game does it, the list is endless 🤣
@ And if i sound biased, i’m absolutely not. I’m straight as hell, but i just don’t care about people’s love interest or identity as long as they don’t hurt anyone or try to convert me i couldn’t care less, leave them be bro. They are not affecting youre daily lives in one single aspect.
@ do nuggets or rockets care? no
awful argument. Btw in almost every game that involves some sort of customized character you have the option to go asian. that called respect people. you act like every game turned to a gay saga as soon as there is a option to have gay love interests or if there is a gay side character. that’s so lame actually
having gay stuff in KCD is much more insulting then any other game released recently because KCD 1 was marketed as a medieval christian sim.
I played KCD1 and barely remember anything to do with Henry being a Christian.
There were gay people in thos times too my guy. It isn't a recent phenomenon
before it was solely a mental illness... now it is often a birth defects caused by pesticides in the water pregnant women are drinking...
Just so you know pope Leon IXth considered masturbation of clergy and monks a sin, but only if you "did it yourself" . If you did it to a co-cleric and he did it to you, it was not a sin. A young hare was a fish, and okey to eat in fasting times in certain regions of germany and france. Etc etc. Lion Heart King of Britain. Mighty crusader hated women, loved to take baths with young men etc now l aint defending woke. But history was a bit more wierd then you may think.
It is insulting only to over sensitive intolerant snowlflakes.
I think it's weird to not have it in the 1st game but now it's an option. No reason to change a character unrealisticly. However it's optional so ill ignore it and keep cracking skulls with my hammer.
The same people who call it woke are the same ones who call BG3 a masterpiece even tho it has gay characters
Intent
Never heard the bg3 devs claim that the main character was straight or that no black people existed in Bohemia at this point in history. Nor did they court the anti woke audience and act like based jesus.
1. BG3 is a fantasy RPG, DND, in which literally anything can be, you can create anyone to suit your tastes, and KCD is, as stated, "the most realistic historical game" with an established protagonist.
2. No one is outraged about gays, they were even in the first game, and even more so, no one denies the existence of gays in the Middle Ages.
3. Henry is Henry, with his own personality that suits every player's decisions in the first game, an established heterosexual, as the developers themselves stated, but now it turns out it's YOU, so he's a blank character, they literally forced him to become bisexual.
4. The argument that this is "optional" does not work because even the possibility of gay sex speaks to his bisexuality.
5. Warhorse studio owns the Embracer Group, which forces its studios to add a DEI agenda.
So, game is probably good and even GOTY, but 100% it has WOKE influence, and I'm afraid what's going to happen to the third game.
Choices to be gay=/=unavoidable to like same sex.
@@nikosi3643 1. The inclusion of a same sex romance doesn't make Henry Bisexual, this is a disingenuous argument i keep seeing, the game gives you the option to be bi but never forces it onto the player, Henry is still straight if you play him that way meaning his sexuality is up to the player as it is an RPG.
2. Henry is not a true pre-established, Henry does not have decades of lore backing up who he is as a character and the player gets total freedom to control Henry and let him interact with the world in more ways than Geralt, Geralt has a set of principles that he follows and pre-established morality meaning you cannot pick options or do things in the world of the Witcher that Geralt would not do, like cold blooded murder for example but in KCD2 as Henry you get more freedom to do this proving my point, he is NOT a pre-established chapter, he is a hybrid between blank slate and Pre-established, anyone familiar with RPG's should know this.
3. Henry was originally intended by the devs and Vavra to be his own character, this can absolutely be criticised but the change in KCD2 is not because of wokeness but because of a change in creative vision.
4. Embracer doesn't have control of what gets put into the video games of the studios they own, you just made that up, now granted they do advise ideas to make the game more ''progressive'' and they do encourage the push for DEI, but never force, Vavra confirmed this in a Czech interview that unfortunately most people wont watch because of the language barrier, Vavra obviously being against Wokeness ignored Embracer's request and said he will do his own thing no matter what and KCD2 will sell better if he has total creative freedom.
5. Proof of this is that Embracer has published many video games and while some of them absolutely do have DEI so your worry is 100% warranted, not all of them do and KCD2 will be one of them.
6. KCD2 is the end if Henry's story, this has been stated many times.
It really isn't a big deal, it's an rpg but it is a historic game and Henry is a christian in an extremely christian society. Being gay at the time could straight up get you killed, so there is that
KCD2 has lgbt+ tag on steam
I am not buying this day 1
I'll wait for gameplay footage of where the rainbow stuff is and how bad that is
From what I've seen it's not thrown in your face. I for one loved the first and this has overwhelming positive reviews. Pre-ordered and very excited to play.
@@daltonbacus1188 never pre-order
i smell a bot
kingdom come deliverence 2 hate is an over reaction.
As the game base this of a real gay person that was mentioned during that time and that area and Warhorse have said they wanted to be as much historicly accurate as possible.
But will barely be notishabled as there is only 1 gay person.
Also Kingdom come deliverence 1 had a gay characters side story.
Not that Henry became gay, just that they had a gay character that wanted help from Henry.
Asmongold has this great ability to be able to understand where people are coming from despite not agreeing with them. That's the shit we need more of.
Thanks for the clip!
There are gay characters in Kdc 1, there were gay people in history, its a rpg where YOU decide if Henry will be gay, if you dont want gay, dont kiss men and ur good
As long as it's treated with historical respect, I'll accept it right ? Like as long as it is treated accurately for the time it's set in it's fine by me
Henry is already established as straight tho? Makes no sense for there to be gay options for him but its ok as long as you get burnt at the stake for it.
nice argument, but. They already established Henry was straight...even before the game came out. Why is this information so hard to grasp to you people?
@@maximilianoalcaraz7351i think its because its optional. I wont dis on them for this because its a mature mindset.
However there are people who have issue with that mindset 1)as you stated he has been confirmed straight loooong ago 2)this is what led us to the current game market. We were fine with our main characters being Bi and it slowly shifted to gay and trans while bringing down the quality. Its more so hate out of worry and fear that if this series continues then it will go downhill back when they could have said more
@maximilianoalcaraz7351 You think everyone thats gay knew it day one? Like I said, you control Henry. Henry is a good guy a knight, yet you can kill old grandma and steal her stuff.
I have felt from the start that the critizism against this game has been way overboard.
I can agree that it is a problem that they have commented before that Henry is straight but now have changed that. It is not a big deal to me but can see why some people might be really annoyed. But it does not seem anything like we have had with so many other games that have gone overboard with DEI.
There was also some mention on another video that the inclusion of these elements in the game might have been made so that the game could be included in consideration for some awards which I guess require some DEI? And I would imagine that the company will never come out and admit that this would be the case and that the reason for the inclusion of these elements in the game was because of that requirement.
There was zero reason at all to make Henry gay or add black people into medieval Europe. It is woke. There was NO reason at all to add it and the gay is worse for it. Being fine with any of it gives them to an in to flood games with it.
How the F is this an "Overcorrection". These clowns need to stop gaslighting us. This game is as woke as they come. It checks EVERY damn checkbox on the Woke/DEI list. Every single one
Kcd2 is a masterpiece ✨️ ✝️☦️🍷🚬🗿
Subtle witcher 3 ost on the background is top notch
Currently playing through rdr1 for the first time, what a game! Going to pick up KCD2 whenever im done with red dead, i cant wait for the tourists calling this game woke to eat crow, i hate woke stuff too dont get me wrong and ive been calling it out for almost 7 years, i actually understand what it is, most of these new people are either 15 years old, normies who learned about woke for the first time a year ago or flip-floppers who jump from one extreme to the other and probably made fun of anti-woke people like me a couple years ago and now when the culture is shifting they're jumping to the ''right side'' to not look stupid but because they still dont understand what woke means they end up looking stupid in a different way.
Just to elaborate, Wokeness is when ideology and identity are the main focus in a product over writing and character, a woke product can never be good as it does not prioritise the entertainment of the customer, wokeness is always about intent.
You're not the ultimate authority on what is woke. I never accepted even a bit of it and was always vocal about it. Even before 'woke' was even a term. The fact that there's 'only a little' wokeness here doesn't remove it from being there. And given the context of the setting and time period in this game, that 'little' isn't so little.
"There's a only a bit of crap in your food. Don't overreact!"
@ Never said i was any kind of authority, unlike you i have a firm definition of the word woke, the more you use it againt anything you dislike the more of a buzzword it becomes and the more ammunition you give the people who keep labelling us as Ist's and Ism's.
@@totuudentorvi7781 Never said i was any kind of authority, all i said is that i have a firm definition of the word w0ke, the more you use it against anything you dislike the more of a buzzw0rd it becomes and the more ammunition you give to the people who keep labelling us as Ist's and Ism's.
@@totuudentorvi7781 Never said i was any kind of authority, all i said is that i have a firm definition of the word w0ke, the more you use it against anything you dislike the more of a buzzw0rd it becomes and the more ammunition you give to the people who keep labelling us as Ist's and Ism's.
I get both sides of this argument. Truly. But honestly they just shouldn’t of done the scene/option at all. Why risk it knowing the current environment?
The problem is that some people believed that the developers are on their side politically and when the developers apparently don’t have extreme views, it hurts their little ego.
Ffs, it’s an option and everyone can decide how they want to play the game. It doesn’t affect you whatsoever.
The biggest problem is. That they wanted to keep it a secret. Until it leaked out. And then vavra came with a awkward statement. And then later they said yes to every leak.
Why they wanted to hide it? Why they wanted to lie about it?
Why not come straight forward?
So you're also okay if they add an option to make Henry a diddler of doggos too, right?
@ I don’t care if it’s an option. You just don’t have to play it that way?
exacly! and i decide to play with mods that block the gayness, and you are correct it wont effect me whatsoever. especially my wallet, because i will pirate it..
@@nitroburninfunnybong4065 people pirate games all the time, anyway
it’s not an over correction it’s a return to normalcy
Why is there a woman with a sword next to the guy literally on the cover for the game then? Game seems to me like a woke fantasy and not a medieval historic game
Sounds like you listened to what someone else said without actually checking. There is a woman on the cover, yes, but she has a crossbow, not a sword. And if you've played the first game, there's literally a dlc where you play as Theresa who wields a bow, and can even beat Henry at swordfighting.
If that's not woke, this isn't.
Why can’t game devs just take a page out of FF16’s book? Dion was a fantastically written gay character that wasn’t defined for his sexuality. It’s honestly cringe how low game devs have gotten, trying to push their agendas/politics into video games.
I will not buy it, i will pirate it until there are mods to fix this garbage
same. not supporting woke.. will pirate and skip the woke. win win for me. lose lose for woke devs
Just dont do that quest lmfao wtf are you on about
Where do you suppose such mod can be hosted?
@ have you ever used a search engine or forums?? it will be around somewhere even if woke nexus wont host it..
@ You don't seriously think I've not used search or forums... Which begs the question why are you acting in bad faith?
So it's nothing too radical? It all amounts up to the Main KCD2 director having a childish hissy-fit over this? What is essentially a *retcon* in the MC's, Henry's sexuality and religion, when the 1st game so clearcut and simply states that's how it is, and nothing in the 2nd game's promotional material states it's changed?
This is on the directors fault, if he just said, "Hey, I'm doing this, seems fair to me" instead of doing this morally superior handstand and throwing people who are blindsided by this insincere retcon, people would understand.
5:50 that’s a lie lmao
No, it was clearly like that. Hes definitely nazi :D
I don't care about the type of option in and of itself, but I am somewhat bothered by the change from a predefined to a male it your own.
But I guess you can say they wanted a specific foundation with the first release.
This just proves none of you played the first game
So what are you actually saying?
@ that g4y stuff existed in the first game. Also one darker skin character that appears in this new game is part of the history
@@GameManCZ2000Yh a tanned white people lol that’s not a sub Sarah African you do know that right lol there were never any black people in Europe back then it’s forced propaganda
@@GameManCZ2000tanned Europeans = kangz ahahahaha ok buddy
@@GameManCZ2000do you think dark skinned = saa lol stop being delusional buddy there were never and I repeat never black people in Europe we wuz scholars and shiteee and treated woman better we wuz feminists
real shame the editors didn't allow him to play the first game
It is funny to watch this nonsense...KCD1 has gay characters in it. It was well implemented with historic acuracy. This is pure nonsensical sadnass seeing how poeple who talk this narrative don't bother to make a simple search before opening their mouths.
I think it's more that people don't want to see it. It's like how a lot of people say they're fine with gay people but they wouldn't accept a gay son or a gay couple in public. Most of them are just bigots.
But there are some valid criticism with how Henry is already an established character. But it's also not at all strange for a 16 year old to not know their sexuality.
It's about the playable character. Having an NPC be whatever is completely different. It's about who I have to play as. I don't want that to be a part of my character however 'optional' it may be. I know the option is there. And that is one backstab the devs have committed.
@@totuudentorvi7781 Guess what. It is still an RPG (Role playing Game) no one is forcing you !to play as gay as many of people are forcing this narrative out. You have the power of choice.
@ I'm also not buying cigarettes even though smoking them is optional.
@@malavrana5718that “no one is forcing you” argument is peak libertarian mentality and it’s why we’re in this predicament to begin with.