I'm one of the incredibly small minority of DV victims whose abuser was actually brought to court. In the end, he only got 9 months in custody, and that was actually mainly for the stalking and harassment after we broke up. The judge said he'd never seen such a sheer volume of harassment, or vile content. Only 6 weeks of the sentence was for physical abuse, despite multiple messages of him admitting to it, and even saying how much he enjoyed it. Even so, I'm beyond grateful for the incredible police woman who handled my case with so much care and dignity, and at time righteous anger towards his entitled behaviour like i was a possession. Luckiky in the UK, his sentence also means that he has to disclose his criminal record to any new person he gets into a relationship with, so hopefully he can never hurt anyone else. My therapist told me that in over 20 years as a trauma therapist, im her first DV client that received any kind of justice. This is such a real issue in the world, and books like this have a moral responsibility to contribute towards helping the problem, rather than encouraging the millions of women who never speak up and so dont receive any justice at all
I was actually really disturbed by Colleen's dedication to her dad at the beginning of the book: "To my father, who tried his very best not to be his worst." Which to me reads as "To my father, who tried his best not to be abusive." It aligns with the sympathetic attitude towards Ryle in the book. I feel like she wrote it that way to sound poetic, but to me it's just so irresponsible... I feel like Colleen both intentionally AND unintentionally romanticizes abuse with how irresponsibly she deals with the topic - as you said Hannah, just very little nuance. Read a few chapters and gave up on it, my first DNF of the year.
Hannah: Before everyone starts typing ‘Hannah, how could you watch that movie, how could you support them, how could you give them money??’ I didn’t, that’s all we’re saying about that *sea shanties/pirate music intensify in the background*
The fact that I will NOT go to the movie theatre and spend 2 hours watching the movie, but I would gladly sit down for an hour watching Hannah explain it to me says a lot ahhaha
Blake actually styled herself and even bragged about it💀💀 She was also bragging about how the clothes she's wearing in the movie are her actual clothes like from her closet💀
Ok, DV survivor here. My father was the one doing the physical violence part of the DV and my mother was the one doing more of the psychological/emotional abuse part of it. It does happen all too often (sadly) that these kinds of ppl don't get the retribution they should get. They're not held accountable. And, yet, I would've much prefered (like you) to have Ryle be held accountable. It would've shown to ppl suffering through DV that it's possible. It would give them more hope and strength to finally get out of their situations. The way the movie ended, left me with a "oh, awesome, now victims won't get out or won't try to hold their abusers accountable because they'll think "what's the point, if nothing is going to happen anyways". And regarding Lily not filing for full custody, I think the single worst thing that I've ever heard my mother say was when I asked her "Why didn't you get me out of this house when I was little? You knew how he was, he hurt you before, and he hurt grandma repeatedly. Why allow me to have such an awful life?", and she answered (with a leveled voice, thinking she had all the reason in the world and that it was obvious) "Well, because he wasn't hurting me and didn't do anything to me ever again... Why would I leave? I wasn't in any danger." I know this is a real conversation and the book/movie is fiction, but it would be the same thing Lily's daughter would probably come to conclude in the future. Just because your abuser stopped abusing you, doesn't mean he won't abuse again. Get the ones you love away from them and make sure they get retribution/be held accountable. P.S.: Yes, like I said, my mother is also an abuser (the perfect couple they are...ha. ha.) and both of them have narcissistic personality disorder (undiagnosed, but they do according do my psychologist). So, to my mother, if she isn't suffering, it's all good, because she's the only one that matters. And to my father, if those around him are obeying him and bowing to him, that's all that matters. Too bad they decided to have a kid (which they shouldn't, some ppl shouldn't have the right to have one) and I was born, someone with a strong personality and take no shit attitude. Serves them right. (Yes, before anyone who reads this gets worried, I'm trying to get out of this situation. I'm saving money to move out and I do therapy)
As someone still in a DV situation involving relatives, thank you for sharing this. I’m so sorry you were brought up in that environment. But I’m so proud of you for working on getting out and for staying strong when it’s so easy to get disheartened. I hope to have your strength some day. ❤️🫂
honestly, can't blame Justin Baldoni for choosing this book. I hate it, it's bad, but so many people are reading it, it's viral, so it makes sense to choose it to talk about DV, because it is the most popular book on this subject in the last years.
thats the probem with the current art/entertainment scene. we should stop churning out things because they're "popular", rather make them because it has HEART, SUBSTANCE and AUTHENTICITY which is where quality derives from. Tired of dollar signs being the driver of art.
The way Ryle is portrayed in the book, like you said, is very dangerous. I saw proof of that when I saw comments from young girls on a It Ends With Us video where they were saying they wished he had had a redemption arc because they loved him so much and he deserved to be forgiven and a second chance. Like, so many comments saying things along these lines. Because this book romantacized his character.
to everything you said about justin baldoni, YES!! THANK YOU!! i am so confused about why everyone is losing their minds over this man saying he wants to "tell a story through the female gaze" as if he wasn't literally in control of it all 😭 plus everything he's been talking about with how we shouldn't ask why women stay but instead why men harm, meanwhile he chose iewu as his source material, which is arguably the worst book to pick if you want that kind of conversation because the accountability he keeps talking about is non-existent there. the whole drama is just weird but mostly i'm just convinced the internet needs at least one woman to hate on at all times + the fact that he hired JD's lawyer told me all i need to know about him lmao
yeah i've seen so many comments defending him and i'm not interested enough in whatever's happening to do like research on it so this was new info to me
@@emnabenhamza-j6x People thin that hiring that attorney means being guilty of abuse. Basically no one can ever hire those attorneys again. The allegations against Baldoni are nothing. Claiming he fat-shamed Lively due to the fact that he asked about her weight before trying to lift her and that one kiss went slightly longer than Lively wanted in the end (she was even the intimacy coordinator) are the allegations. Her camp has made no other allegations. That’s it.
I think it was very smart of him to choose this extremely popular book with women to make a film to get across the message he's trying to highlight in his interviews about DV. He spreads great ideas on his podcast as well. It looks like his vision and his message has got bulldozed by Blake's desire to have her Barbie moment no matter what.
Before I dive in, I just had to tell you that one of my recent birthday (8/13) gifts to myself was the Clockwork Reader reading journal and I LOVE IT SO MUCH! On that same trip to Barnes, I picked up An Ember in the Ashes on a whim. Imagine my surprise when I unwrapped the reading journal from its packaging, flipped thru and saw it was listed inside as a fave of yours. I finished the whole series in a week! lol. Okay back to the video ❤
Colleen Hoover was the one who asked Justin to be Ryle, he did not cast himself. And yes, maybe he was wrong when he said he wanted a female perspective and then made himself the director, but we should not be against him knowing now that his version is actually the one who makes more justice to the theme of the plot (and unfortunately we'll never see it)
My cold brew ready with banana walnut cake, earphones on, it is raining outside the cafe, perfect time to watch another Hannah vs Hoover vid! Thank you for the upload!!!
On the whole alleged drama about the marketing and promotion of the movie, I feel like a lot of people criticising it may have missed the tonal dissonance that IHWU was already in. Like the book tackles a serious subject with the emotional intelligence of a 14 year old discovering fanfic for the first time. And lest we forget the infamous colouring book incident. So yes, the marketing of the movie is a problem, but given the product, I don’t know why people are surprised.
Hi hannah I've got a video idea for you "can i guess the book title based on their 1star/ 5star reviews?" Please make this a booktube trend. BTW YOUR HAIR LOOKS GORGEOUS.
35:55 not so funny story, when this movie came out one of my friends posted in our group chat asking everyone if they wanted to go, I responded quickly saying I wouldn’t be able to make it as the subject matter of domestic violence is a little too intense for me. Literally every single person who responded, at least 10 of my friends, was shocked that this movie was about domestic violence. Only one of my friends had read the book, and she was confused by everyone else’s confusion until I sent her the trailer. No one ended up going to see it.
Yes pls do more book vs movie videos! I love this. I mean, I love hearing you talk about this, cause this book and movie I will thankfully never read/watch, so thank you for your sacrifice
the worst part is that colleen hoover wrote lily to find ryle attractive even after he SA ed her. she was very careless going into this book. I've seen young teenage girls LOVEE ryle and it sucks that collleen is just making more and more lilys who will grow up to think that its fine if he does that to you and youshould totally just continue on loving him. in the last few pages, everything goes back to normal on the day she gave birth (until the very end) and its disgusting
Thank you for mentioning the misogyny surrounding the celebrity gossip from this film. I’m all about holding accountable the people who are horribly marketing this film (which includes Blake Lively), that talks about such a serious topic. But at some point it just felt so out of proportion. Why is only Blake Lively being held accountable as if no one else has ever worked in this movie? I know she is one of the main producers and is part of all the decision making that has to do with the movie, but it’s the fact that it’s not enough saying that she’s doing things wrong (again, with a team that no one cares to talk about): she has to be the meanest bitch on the internet and people have to tear her down to pieces. She’s getting woman’d and the lack of facts surrounding all the drama proves it: it’s not about what has happened, it’s about hating a woman
As someone that grew up with an DV household and now as someone that works with the DV survivor population as a therapist is quite “normal” for abusers to keep custody of their kids. It boils my blood that the system allows that. Someone that abuses an animal gets more jail time than a DV abuser.
What I find baffling is that they changed the characters ages because it “seemed more realistic/appropriate,” as if that makes the situation any better.
My dog kept tilting her head at Hannah's voice. It took me a moment to connect that it's cause her name is Atlas so anytime she was talking about Atlas in the story, my dog thought she was being talked to through my phone.
I heard that Blake never uses a stylist. Unfortunately, it shows. As far as the book and movie... no thank you. However, it does entertain me to hear people dissect CoHo's stories.
I would love more book vs tv/movie adaptations videos! Also I wanted to thank you for recommending Interview with a Vampire! I just finished season 2, and I can’t stop thinking about it. It’s so good!!
you have a lot of really great points! I would also add in complaining about the movie that one of the most important parts of the book was the conversation lily had with her mom about her dad’s violence and in the movie they totally glossed over the moment and it was like 5 seconds long. I think it deserved more attention than that, personally.
Hannah passionately waving that spoon around in frustration was everything! The way this book/film was marketed is disgraceful. If it wasn’t for book tubers like you I would have looked at that cover / film poster and thought I was about to enter a lovely romance. Keep up the good work!! Oh and please keep the spoon and make this a series. There are so many good and bad adaptations even Manga that could be source material.
I remember "It ends with us" being the only book which made me want to throw it out of the room. It was such a triggering book for me, I was surprised why it didn't come with any trigger points. The movie is even worse- says a lot. On another note, I remember you saying "Pride and Prejudice" movie of 2005 is one of your favourites, mine too. I would love to see your discussion on that adaptation. On another note, you look gorgeous with both curly and straight hair 😍
Hannah I love your take on these issues and love the way you explain things❤ If you are open to watching something of a different language there is a Bollywood movie on Netflix called Darlings it is on the same DV subject.. I don't wanna say that is a good or bad representation but just want your perspective on it.. I would love to see you discuss it ❤
ive been waiting for your review about the movie and thank you always for your critiques, makes me realize a lot of things that there were a lot of things to not be happy about the book and the movie
16:29 I picked this up right when it came out, before I knew anything about CoHo, and this was the point when I out the book down. I was just so off put by his character and I was worried he was her endgame. It wasn’t until later I learned how bad this book got and was grateful I saved myself from this garbage.
I just got out of hospital for a knee op and am so happy to have a new Hannah video to watch while recovering, especially one ranting about silly little books and their silly little adaptations. I haven't read any Colleen Hoover, I haven't watched this film, but I was sat the second I got the notification listening like it was a lecture
This movie is Justin's cash cow. As an executive producer, director and second billed star he stands to earn the most from this movie in the box office, and in the same vein, since he owns the film rights, it means he will earn most in any distribution deal once the movie goes to streaming. It's already the highest earning mid budget movie in the last 6 years. All he saw was dollar signs when he bought the rights, and he has a kickass PR team that told him exactly what to say and how to act while marketing this movie in order to make it seem like a genuine passion project. He's positioned himself as some sort of feminist during pre production and during press but none of it aligns with his actions and decisions behind the camera. I'm baffled about everyone defending him throughout this ordeal too because it's clearly all been deliberately orchestrated to make him look as good as possible despite jumping at the opportunity to profit off the popularity of the book.
Justin baldoni hiring j*nny d*pp's lawyer because of the whole PR disaster that this film is, even after the fact that we all know and saw what she did to amber during that witch hunt.. is all I needed to know about the kind of a man he is and what stance he has on dv.
Hearing Strangers broke me in a more permanent fashion than I can possibly transcribe. Like…if you’re going to drag Ethel into this why not use American Teenager or Thoroughfare?? Songs which…at the very least aren’t about THAT!?!?!?! Anyways thank you for your sacrifice Hannah, blessed be the daughters of cain
i would like to mention that im pretty sure blake lively said the rooftop scene was written by ryan reynolds and I think that explains the lines you mentioned
I do think you missed the point about ryle coming across sympatheticy. It has NOTHING to do with sympathy for the abuser. But for the victim. This is clearly explained in the book. WOMEN GET SHIT FOR STAYING. This is for us women to not be harsh on her and understand how SHE sees him. Its way too easy for us to say that he is a MONSTER, EVIL etc, because its all WE see him as. But its never black and white like that, someone doesnt start put like that. Feelings are already set in place when slowly the abuse slips in. Spoiler alert. Her mother explains this beautifully where she said dont let it become normal to you. Were it starts with a slap, later a push, then a punch, then a beating. And next thing you know you get a slap and you're RELIEVED. Its desensitization. Also he does have repercussions. Which is further explained in the second book. He doesnt have overnight stays with her and doesnt have that many days. And actually spoiler alert: she and his sister actually team up with a lawyer to make him take anger control therapy before he can be alone woth his daughter OR his niece rylee. Also the MOST dangerous moment for a DV victim is when shr leaves. So MANY women actually don't go for accountability. They just go for safety. So i think its important that the books we read reflect the experience of humans on this earth. Not be a instructional guide of how to 101 in an ideal world. Im really interested in how you look at these arguments?
I LOVED when you did your video about The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes. This was also a great deep dive that I'm glad you did! I cant wait to see which book vs movie you pick next :)
yes to this being a series on your channel! i love hearing your thoughts & opinion on books & book to move/tv adaptations 🫶🏻 )and love the mike's mic homage 😎)
i only watched the movie and didn't read the book but the most baffling part of the movie to me was how the dv was treated as a plot twist?? like when he hits her the first time, they make it look like an accident and then like 40 minutes later reveal it to have been abuse. and i just don't understand that choice in a film literally about dv
This was very interesting and very important discussion! Haven't read/watched these book and movie, not going to, but I guess it might be a lot better if at least the main character was trying to hold him accountable and was met unfair court system, judge who was on the abuser side, some nasty people victimblaming her to demonstrate the real problem our society has with DM and the unfairness of it, and having not the system, but life itself who punish him. Or something similar. I was thinking about Nabokov somehow and his book "The laughter in the dark", where the very successful wealthy man was punished badly later in the story because he cheated on his wife with a minor. Although it's a different topic, I liked how here the main character was held accountable for his actions.
Thank the gods for your review/response! When I heard a movie was getting made my initial reaction was “oooh…noooooo.” I just want to hurl when I see the marketing of these books as romance. Maybe, because I’ve had my own experience with DV, I just don’t want it portrayed as demeaning or sympathetic. Sidebar: I have never read a Colleen Hoover book. Yes I watch a ton of book tube, so I’ve seen enough reviews. But, Nope. Can’t make me.
In my experience as someone who grew up in a DV household (and in a community where it was normalised to an extent) I found this quite realistic tbh the constant excusing of abuse to this day dismissed as "passion" or "possessiveness out of love". Yes this book is corny in many ways specially the part where she's writing to Ellen (this book was written WAY before she was cancelled and considered the epitome of kindness and a queer icon) but it gets way more hate than necessary. Your standard garden-variety rap song is more problematic than this story ever could be lol
This is a great video! Let me start with this - I'm with you on the fact that the book is more nuanced when it comes to a realistic depiction of a survivor and v!ct!m of DV than the movie. Even though I too felt the book had problematic parts, there were many things in it that made sense, like for instance the age gaps and power dynamics. In the book, Lily had her first love at 15 with an 18 y/o, lost him in a very tra umatising way, and found the next one at 23 with a 30 y/o, with a mention that she had few flings in between (if I remember right). These ages and/or power dynamic made sense considering she grew up in an ab usive environment. In the movie it seemed like after Atlas, she just went single for 10 or 15 years, had no one hit on her or she felt no sparks for anyone, and suddenly met Ryle and fell in love with him in few days, which is not impossible but very uncommon. I understand that they had to age everyone up in the movie to make their life achievements sound realistic as compared to those in the book, but they could have added something like Lily going through multiple short but t0xic relationships after Atlas and before Ryle, to establish a pattern. Also, I have to admit that I was one of those who praised Justin Baldoni for being the "only person who understood the story". I did wonder why, for someone who actively advocates against toxic masculinity and harms it causes, he chose this book to make a movie out of. But I set those doubts aside as there were some survivors of DV who loved and resonated with this book, so I thought why not him. But it's the first time I heard that interview where he said he wanted to make this movie from a woman's perspective (I've only seen other clips from that interview) and now I have lost faith in his intent behind making this movie. I understand producing and even playing one of the leads (btw Colleen asked him to play it) but directing it, especially when you needed it to be from the survivor's POV, is ignorant at best. Now I can't help but doubt his intentions behind hiring Johnny Depp's PR team after the whole controversy (btw I supported JD too during the whole JD v. AH lawsuit, but not anymore. Safe to say that I have poor judgement when it comes to men 🥲) Edit: so the day after commenting this, the news came out that Blake Lively is suing Justin Baldoni for SH on set, and his horrible PR campaign got exposed.
about the ellen and allyship thing - colleen's book "without merit" came out the year after "it ends with us". if you haven't read it - which i hope you haven't, because it's deeply unpleasant, probably her worst book ever - 'without merit' contains colleen's only major gay character (that i know of): a guy named UTAH (yes. his name is really utah.) who assaults his own sister for reasons related to his internalized homophobia, which he says aloud in his "apology" to her. it's pretty atrocious. maybe colleen had to get some allyship out before taking us deep into the trenches
Hannah I think it's worth investing in one of those Asian hand fans. Would suit your pointing to the wall so well (esp w CoHo content) plus opening it up occasionally would add some extra sassiness 🤣
I would love for more movie/book comparisons, great video idea, and a great video as always from the greatest and most entertaining booktuber I have seen 😂💙💙
"Just ugly ass outfit after ugly ass outfit...and then more ugly ass outfit" LOLLL I LOVE THIS RANT and if we look at blake's pov it is elegant and chic(or whatever) and they are from her actual wardrobe and her friend gigi's👀 like it somehow suppose to make anything better?!
THE RETURN OF COLLEEN HOOVER VS HANNAH LETSGOOOO
Truly one of the fueds of all time
I'm so excited
Do you know Alizee? I came straight from her COHO rant and I am loving it! You go ladies!!!
I'm one of the incredibly small minority of DV victims whose abuser was actually brought to court. In the end, he only got 9 months in custody, and that was actually mainly for the stalking and harassment after we broke up. The judge said he'd never seen such a sheer volume of harassment, or vile content. Only 6 weeks of the sentence was for physical abuse, despite multiple messages of him admitting to it, and even saying how much he enjoyed it. Even so, I'm beyond grateful for the incredible police woman who handled my case with so much care and dignity, and at time righteous anger towards his entitled behaviour like i was a possession. Luckiky in the UK, his sentence also means that he has to disclose his criminal record to any new person he gets into a relationship with, so hopefully he can never hurt anyone else. My therapist told me that in over 20 years as a trauma therapist, im her first DV client that received any kind of justice. This is such a real issue in the world, and books like this have a moral responsibility to contribute towards helping the problem, rather than encouraging the millions of women who never speak up and so dont receive any justice at all
I really hope you’re doing well and thriving xx
THIS. EXACTLY THIS.
I was actually really disturbed by Colleen's dedication to her dad at the beginning of the book: "To my father, who tried his very best not to be his worst." Which to me reads as "To my father, who tried his best not to be abusive." It aligns with the sympathetic attitude towards Ryle in the book. I feel like she wrote it that way to sound poetic, but to me it's just so irresponsible... I feel like Colleen both intentionally AND unintentionally romanticizes abuse with how irresponsibly she deals with the topic - as you said Hannah, just very little nuance. Read a few chapters and gave up on it, my first DNF of the year.
Yes because someone who abuses someone else is not trying hard not to, I don't care how close they were. He didn't try his best at all.
They are all like that, the books COHO... It's crap!
Yes to the series on books vs TV adaptations.
books to film, books to tv series, film to tv series (like the atla video), i'll watch them all
As a survivor of DV whose abuser was never held accountable by anyone, THANK YOU for making this video. I feel so seen and validated.
that’s so fucking unfair, hope you’re doing alright
We don’t deserve Hannah’s sacrifices 🤝
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@@AClockworkReaderwhen did u stop yapping in the video so I am leaving 🎉
Hannah: Before everyone starts typing ‘Hannah, how could you watch that movie, how could you support them, how could you give them money??’ I didn’t, that’s all we’re saying about that
*sea shanties/pirate music intensify in the background*
Or she went to her local library.
That Sea Shanties part is a stroke of genius lmaoooo
"This is what the death of media literacy leads to - art that looks like this" took me out girl. I had to pause 10 seconds in to laugh
Up p😅😅😊
The fact that I will NOT go to the movie theatre and spend 2 hours watching the movie, but I would gladly sit down for an hour watching Hannah explain it to me says a lot ahhaha
Blake actually styled herself and even bragged about it💀💀
She was also bragging about how the clothes she's wearing in the movie are her actual clothes like from her closet💀
Like girlie, that’s not something to brag about. Your outfits in the movie are awful
why…why would she do this to herself??
she's literally one of the best dressed in the mets, what happened?????😭😭😭
"Then Ryle starts... screaming, crying, throwing up" thank you for the representation of exactly the way I speak
The amount of times you have to say "I'm not even kidding" because everything in this book just sounds batshit crazy is so funny
You are the only booktuber I trust with book recommendations
GIRL SAME
100% !!!!
for me it's hannah and withcindy
"i dont even like lily blossom bloom and its still offensive to this poor girl" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ok, DV survivor here. My father was the one doing the physical violence part of the DV and my mother was the one doing more of the psychological/emotional abuse part of it. It does happen all too often (sadly) that these kinds of ppl don't get the retribution they should get. They're not held accountable. And, yet, I would've much prefered (like you) to have Ryle be held accountable. It would've shown to ppl suffering through DV that it's possible. It would give them more hope and strength to finally get out of their situations. The way the movie ended, left me with a "oh, awesome, now victims won't get out or won't try to hold their abusers accountable because they'll think "what's the point, if nothing is going to happen anyways".
And regarding Lily not filing for full custody, I think the single worst thing that I've ever heard my mother say was when I asked her "Why didn't you get me out of this house when I was little? You knew how he was, he hurt you before, and he hurt grandma repeatedly. Why allow me to have such an awful life?", and she answered (with a leveled voice, thinking she had all the reason in the world and that it was obvious) "Well, because he wasn't hurting me and didn't do anything to me ever again... Why would I leave? I wasn't in any danger." I know this is a real conversation and the book/movie is fiction, but it would be the same thing Lily's daughter would probably come to conclude in the future. Just because your abuser stopped abusing you, doesn't mean he won't abuse again. Get the ones you love away from them and make sure they get retribution/be held accountable.
P.S.: Yes, like I said, my mother is also an abuser (the perfect couple they are...ha. ha.) and both of them have narcissistic personality disorder (undiagnosed, but they do according do my psychologist). So, to my mother, if she isn't suffering, it's all good, because she's the only one that matters. And to my father, if those around him are obeying him and bowing to him, that's all that matters. Too bad they decided to have a kid (which they shouldn't, some ppl shouldn't have the right to have one) and I was born, someone with a strong personality and take no shit attitude. Serves them right.
(Yes, before anyone who reads this gets worried, I'm trying to get out of this situation. I'm saving money to move out and I do therapy)
I hope you're gonna be okay!
As someone still in a DV situation involving relatives, thank you for sharing this. I’m so sorry you were brought up in that environment. But I’m so proud of you for working on getting out and for staying strong when it’s so easy to get disheartened. I hope to have your strength some day. ❤️🫂
honestly, can't blame Justin Baldoni for choosing this book. I hate it, it's bad, but so many people are reading it, it's viral, so it makes sense to choose it to talk about DV, because it is the most popular book on this subject in the last years.
thats the probem with the current art/entertainment scene. we should stop churning out things because they're "popular", rather make them because it has HEART, SUBSTANCE and AUTHENTICITY which is where quality derives from. Tired of dollar signs being the driver of art.
The way Ryle is portrayed in the book, like you said, is very dangerous. I saw proof of that when I saw comments from young girls on a It Ends With Us video where they were saying they wished he had had a redemption arc because they loved him so much and he deserved to be forgiven and a second chance. Like, so many comments saying things along these lines. Because this book romantacized his character.
to everything you said about justin baldoni, YES!! THANK YOU!! i am so confused about why everyone is losing their minds over this man saying he wants to "tell a story through the female gaze" as if he wasn't literally in control of it all 😭 plus everything he's been talking about with how we shouldn't ask why women stay but instead why men harm, meanwhile he chose iewu as his source material, which is arguably the worst book to pick if you want that kind of conversation because the accountability he keeps talking about is non-existent there.
the whole drama is just weird but mostly i'm just convinced the internet needs at least one woman to hate on at all times + the fact that he hired JD's lawyer told me all i need to know about him lmao
Can you tell me what hiring jd 's lawyer alludes to?
….he’s also a z!onist I heard 🤨
yeah i've seen so many comments defending him and i'm not interested enough in whatever's happening to do like research on it so this was new info to me
@@emnabenhamza-j6x People thin that hiring that attorney means being guilty of abuse. Basically no one can ever hire those attorneys again. The allegations against Baldoni are nothing. Claiming he fat-shamed Lively due to the fact that he asked about her weight before trying to lift her and that one kiss went slightly longer than Lively wanted in the end (she was even the intimacy coordinator) are the allegations. Her camp has made no other allegations. That’s it.
I think it was very smart of him to choose this extremely popular book with women to make a film to get across the message he's trying to highlight in his interviews about DV. He spreads great ideas on his podcast as well. It looks like his vision and his message has got bulldozed by Blake's desire to have her Barbie moment no matter what.
It's the spoon pointer for me hahahha
Before I dive in, I just had to tell you that one of my recent birthday (8/13) gifts to myself was the Clockwork Reader reading journal and I LOVE IT SO MUCH! On that same trip to Barnes, I picked up An Ember in the Ashes on a whim. Imagine my surprise when I unwrapped the reading journal from its packaging, flipped thru and saw it was listed inside as a fave of yours. I finished the whole series in a week! lol. Okay back to the video ❤
ahhh yayy!! that makes me so happy to hear! i hope you continue to enjoy the journal 🫶🏼🫶🏼
@@AClockworkReader 🖤🖤
Its wild to not assume if he hits you he’s going to hit you’re kids, the chances are exponentially higher
Your hair!!! Stunning!!! I've never seen it straightened before! It's always so gorgeous though!
thank you!! 🫶🏼
Hannah is in her revenge dress!🖤🖤
Def need more of books vs book adaptations!!!❤
Also “just keep swimming lily” is honourable mentioning.
our girl was so fed up that she decided to end her whole career
The more I hear about this movie, the more it reminds me of Don’t Worry Darling and The Idol.
i hated “don’t worry darling” but it was still better 😭
Both of those were better movies than It ends with us tbh
@@witchf4ce310the idol better?? that’s a stretch…
@@chance757 the idol was at least way more entertaining to watch than the bland mess that is it ends with us
Colleen Hoover was the one who asked Justin to be Ryle, he did not cast himself. And yes, maybe he was wrong when he said he wanted a female perspective and then made himself the director, but we should not be against him knowing now that his version is actually the one who makes more justice to the theme of the plot (and unfortunately we'll never see it)
My cold brew ready with banana walnut cake, earphones on, it is raining outside the cafe, perfect time to watch another Hannah vs Hoover vid! Thank you for the upload!!!
On the whole alleged drama about the marketing and promotion of the movie, I feel like a lot of people criticising it may have missed the tonal dissonance that IHWU was already in. Like the book tackles a serious subject with the emotional intelligence of a 14 year old discovering fanfic for the first time. And lest we forget the infamous colouring book incident. So yes, the marketing of the movie is a problem, but given the product, I don’t know why people are surprised.
2:16 pls make this a series!!
"He is also a zionist so" EXACTLY. that immediately tells me everything i need to know about this movie and his involvement.
Hannah and her viewers are all jew haters!!
...where'd you even get that info from?
Oh nooo
@@kazerzinorangeit’s literally true
@@rabiamultan9481 …ok?? Where’s ur proof though 😭 how can u say that w/o having proof
Hi hannah I've got a video idea for you "can i guess the book title based on their 1star/ 5star reviews?"
Please make this a booktube trend.
BTW YOUR HAIR LOOKS GORGEOUS.
35:55 not so funny story, when this movie came out one of my friends posted in our group chat asking everyone if they wanted to go, I responded quickly saying I wouldn’t be able to make it as the subject matter of domestic violence is a little too intense for me. Literally every single person who responded, at least 10 of my friends, was shocked that this movie was about domestic violence. Only one of my friends had read the book, and she was confused by everyone else’s confusion until I sent her the trailer. No one ended up going to see it.
First of all your hair looks sooo good 😍 and second of all, im looking forward to some good ol hannah roasting session 😂
i hope you enjoyyyy 🩷
YES TO THIS BEING A SERIES !!!!!!
Yes pls do more book vs movie videos! I love this. I mean, I love hearing you talk about this, cause this book and movie I will thankfully never read/watch, so thank you for your sacrifice
Hannah really sacrificed herself for the team. Such a hero 😂.
the worst part is that colleen hoover wrote lily to find ryle attractive even after he SA ed her. she was very careless going into this book. I've seen young teenage girls LOVEE ryle and it sucks that collleen is just making more and more lilys who will grow up to think that its fine if he does that to you and youshould totally just continue on loving him. in the last few pages, everything goes back to normal on the day she gave birth (until the very end) and its disgusting
I love it when Hannah is a hater and proves her point
Thank you for mentioning the misogyny surrounding the celebrity gossip from this film. I’m all about holding accountable the people who are horribly marketing this film (which includes Blake Lively), that talks about such a serious topic. But at some point it just felt so out of proportion. Why is only Blake Lively being held accountable as if no one else has ever worked in this movie? I know she is one of the main producers and is part of all the decision making that has to do with the movie, but it’s the fact that it’s not enough saying that she’s doing things wrong (again, with a team that no one cares to talk about): she has to be the meanest bitch on the internet and people have to tear her down to pieces.
She’s getting woman’d and the lack of facts surrounding all the drama proves it: it’s not about what has happened, it’s about hating a woman
Hannah I loved this sooooo muchhhhh pleassseeeeee make this into a series I’d absolutely love to see more of these!
As someone that grew up with an DV household and now as someone that works with the DV survivor population as a therapist is quite “normal” for abusers to keep custody of their kids. It boils my blood that the system allows that. Someone that abuses an animal gets more jail time than a DV abuser.
What I find baffling is that they changed the characters ages because it “seemed more realistic/appropriate,” as if that makes the situation any better.
hannah i could listen to you talk about anything that you're passionate about, you're so entertaining 💛
My dog kept tilting her head at Hannah's voice. It took me a moment to connect that it's cause her name is Atlas so anytime she was talking about Atlas in the story, my dog thought she was being talked to through my phone.
using a spoon as a pointer is iconic
"Every single outfit Blake Lively wore felt like a hate crime." 🤣🤣🤣
You are a true soldier for going through this again and I will forever sing of your brave deeds
justice for the curls
I heard that Justin Baldoni was somewhat strongly encouraged by Colleen Hoover to be the director and also play Ryle. Might be just a rumor though
I heard that Blake never uses a stylist. Unfortunately, it shows. As far as the book and movie... no thank you. However, it does entertain me to hear people dissect CoHo's stories.
I would love more book vs tv/movie adaptations videos!
Also I wanted to thank you for recommending Interview with a Vampire! I just finished season 2, and I can’t stop thinking about it. It’s so good!!
34:37 WAIT WTF HES A ZIONIST? BRUUUUUU
Yeah, he doesn't like Muslims so that's probably why
just came back to uni after a month at home and had just started unpacking when you dropped this. my evening is sorted 😌
please make this a series!! it'll be the best thing here
you have a lot of really great points! I would also add in complaining about the movie that one of the most important parts of the book was the conversation lily had with her mom about her dad’s violence and in the movie they totally glossed over the moment and it was like 5 seconds long. I think it deserved more attention than that, personally.
yes yes yes to the series on books vs tv shows/movie adaptations
Hannah passionately waving that spoon around in frustration was everything! The way this book/film was marketed is disgraceful. If it wasn’t for book tubers like you I would have looked at that cover / film poster and thought I was about to enter a lovely romance. Keep up the good work!!
Oh and please keep the spoon and make this a series. There are so many good and bad adaptations even Manga that could be source material.
I'll be honest, I don't care about Colleen Hovers or her books or even hearing about them at this point, but if it's a Hannah video, I have to watch
A man called Ove book vs A man called Otto movie plsssss
The wall and pointer is so cari from Cari can read and I love it !
I remember "It ends with us" being the only book which made me want to throw it out of the room. It was such a triggering book for me, I was surprised why it didn't come with any trigger points. The movie is even worse- says a lot.
On another note, I remember you saying "Pride and Prejudice" movie of 2005 is one of your favourites, mine too. I would love to see your discussion on that adaptation.
On another note, you look gorgeous with both curly and straight hair 😍
Hannah I love your take on these issues and love the way you explain things❤ If you are open to watching something of a different language there is a Bollywood movie on Netflix called Darlings it is on the same DV subject.. I don't wanna say that is a good or bad representation but just want your perspective on it.. I would love to see you discuss it ❤
i literally choked when you said "sold more copies than the Bible" HELLO???
ive been waiting for your review about the movie and thank you always for your critiques, makes me realize a lot of things that there were a lot of things to not be happy about the book and the movie
16:29 I picked this up right when it came out, before I knew anything about CoHo, and this was the point when I out the book down. I was just so off put by his character and I was worried he was her endgame. It wasn’t until later I learned how bad this book got and was grateful I saved myself from this garbage.
I like how she's using a cooking utensil as a pointer
we need shadowhunters movie or series to the books!
I just got out of hospital for a knee op and am so happy to have a new Hannah video to watch while recovering, especially one ranting about silly little books and their silly little adaptations. I haven't read any Colleen Hoover, I haven't watched this film, but I was sat the second I got the notification listening like it was a lecture
This movie is Justin's cash cow. As an executive producer, director and second billed star he stands to earn the most from this movie in the box office, and in the same vein, since he owns the film rights, it means he will earn most in any distribution deal once the movie goes to streaming. It's already the highest earning mid budget movie in the last 6 years. All he saw was dollar signs when he bought the rights, and he has a kickass PR team that told him exactly what to say and how to act while marketing this movie in order to make it seem like a genuine passion project. He's positioned himself as some sort of feminist during pre production and during press but none of it aligns with his actions and decisions behind the camera. I'm baffled about everyone defending him throughout this ordeal too because it's clearly all been deliberately orchestrated to make him look as good as possible despite jumping at the opportunity to profit off the popularity of the book.
The hunger games books being in the book vs TV adaptations is something I hope you do!! It will be so good!
Justin baldoni hiring j*nny d*pp's lawyer because of the whole PR disaster that this film is, even after the fact that we all know and saw what she did to amber during that witch hunt.. is all I needed to know about the kind of a man he is and what stance he has on dv.
Hearing Strangers broke me in a more permanent fashion than I can possibly transcribe. Like…if you’re going to drag Ethel into this why not use American Teenager or Thoroughfare?? Songs which…at the very least aren’t about THAT!?!?!?!
Anyways thank you for your sacrifice Hannah, blessed be the daughters of cain
of course I clicked on this. Sounds like the most intertainment I'll get today💗
I love how you keep stumbling over the Atlas guy like "ah yes, right, him, ah he's not important" and move on 💀🙏
Why do you have the best talking voice of all time!!! ❤
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i would like to mention that im pretty sure blake lively said the rooftop scene was written by ryan reynolds and I think that explains the lines you mentioned
I do think you missed the point about ryle coming across sympatheticy. It has NOTHING to do with sympathy for the abuser. But for the victim. This is clearly explained in the book. WOMEN GET SHIT FOR STAYING. This is for us women to not be harsh on her and understand how SHE sees him. Its way too easy for us to say that he is a MONSTER, EVIL etc, because its all WE see him as. But its never black and white like that, someone doesnt start put like that. Feelings are already set in place when slowly the abuse slips in. Spoiler alert. Her mother explains this beautifully where she said dont let it become normal to you. Were it starts with a slap, later a push, then a punch, then a beating. And next thing you know you get a slap and you're RELIEVED. Its desensitization. Also he does have repercussions. Which is further explained in the second book. He doesnt have overnight stays with her and doesnt have that many days. And actually spoiler alert: she and his sister actually team up with a lawyer to make him take anger control therapy before he can be alone woth his daughter OR his niece rylee. Also the MOST dangerous moment for a DV victim is when shr leaves. So MANY women actually don't go for accountability. They just go for safety. So i think its important that the books we read reflect the experience of humans on this earth. Not be a instructional guide of how to 101 in an ideal world. Im really interested in how you look at these arguments?
colleen hoover x hannah x straight hair the stars have aligned
I admire you for creating this film. Even my husband was watching together with me. We are all for the series and can't wait for other films!
Yes please continue this series!!!
I LOVED when you did your video about The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes. This was also a great deep dive that I'm glad you did! I cant wait to see which book vs movie you pick next :)
"Quickly, answer me" I'm CACKLING
yes to this being a series on your channel! i love hearing your thoughts & opinion on books & book to move/tv adaptations 🫶🏻 )and love the mike's mic homage 😎)
I would love a series about book vs movie or any other adaptation maybe even story ve original inspiration of it.. love your content ❤
i only watched the movie and didn't read the book but the most baffling part of the movie to me was how the dv was treated as a plot twist?? like when he hits her the first time, they make it look like an accident and then like 40 minutes later reveal it to have been abuse. and i just don't understand that choice in a film literally about dv
Them using my tears ricochet by TS for this movie felt like a hate crime
unforgivable fr
This was very interesting and very important discussion!
Haven't read/watched these book and movie, not going to, but I guess it might be a lot better if at least the main character was trying to hold him accountable and was met unfair court system, judge who was on the abuser side, some nasty people victimblaming her to demonstrate the real problem our society has with DM and the unfairness of it, and having not the system, but life itself who punish him. Or something similar.
I was thinking about Nabokov somehow and his book "The laughter in the dark", where the very successful wealthy man was punished badly later in the story because he cheated on his wife with a minor. Although it's a different topic, I liked how here the main character was held accountable for his actions.
Colleen wrote Justin a letter or email saying why she wanted Justin specifically to be the guy in the movie.
Thank the gods for your review/response! When I heard a movie was getting made my initial reaction was “oooh…noooooo.” I just want to hurl when I see the marketing of these books as romance. Maybe, because I’ve had my own experience with DV, I just don’t want it portrayed as demeaning or sympathetic. Sidebar: I have never read a Colleen Hoover book. Yes I watch a ton of book tube, so I’ve seen enough reviews. But, Nope. Can’t make me.
In my experience as someone who grew up in a DV household (and in a community where it was normalised to an extent) I found this quite realistic tbh the constant excusing of abuse to this day dismissed as "passion" or "possessiveness out of love".
Yes this book is corny in many ways specially the part where she's writing to Ellen (this book was written WAY before she was cancelled and considered the epitome of kindness and a queer icon) but it gets way more hate than necessary.
Your standard garden-variety rap song is more problematic than this story ever could be lol
PLEASE MAKE THIS A SERIES!!!!
This is a great video! Let me start with this - I'm with you on the fact that the book is more nuanced when it comes to a realistic depiction of a survivor and v!ct!m of DV than the movie. Even though I too felt the book had problematic parts, there were many things in it that made sense, like for instance the age gaps and power dynamics. In the book, Lily had her first love at 15 with an 18 y/o, lost him in a very tra umatising way, and found the next one at 23 with a 30 y/o, with a mention that she had few flings in between (if I remember right). These ages and/or power dynamic made sense considering she grew up in an ab usive environment. In the movie it seemed like after Atlas, she just went single for 10 or 15 years, had no one hit on her or she felt no sparks for anyone, and suddenly met Ryle and fell in love with him in few days, which is not impossible but very uncommon. I understand that they had to age everyone up in the movie to make their life achievements sound realistic as compared to those in the book, but they could have added something like Lily going through multiple short but t0xic relationships after Atlas and before Ryle, to establish a pattern.
Also, I have to admit that I was one of those who praised Justin Baldoni for being the "only person who understood the story". I did wonder why, for someone who actively advocates against toxic masculinity and harms it causes, he chose this book to make a movie out of. But I set those doubts aside as there were some survivors of DV who loved and resonated with this book, so I thought why not him. But it's the first time I heard that interview where he said he wanted to make this movie from a woman's perspective (I've only seen other clips from that interview) and now I have lost faith in his intent behind making this movie. I understand producing and even playing one of the leads (btw Colleen asked him to play it) but directing it, especially when you needed it to be from the survivor's POV, is ignorant at best. Now I can't help but doubt his intentions behind hiring Johnny Depp's PR team after the whole controversy (btw I supported JD too during the whole JD v. AH lawsuit, but not anymore. Safe to say that I have poor judgement when it comes to men 🥲)
Edit: so the day after commenting this, the news came out that Blake Lively is suing Justin Baldoni for SH on set, and his horrible PR campaign got exposed.
The spoon pointer should become a staple for this series!
Reminds me of Lexi's legendary Credence presentation.
about the ellen and allyship thing - colleen's book "without merit" came out the year after "it ends with us". if you haven't read it - which i hope you haven't, because it's deeply unpleasant, probably her worst book ever - 'without merit' contains colleen's only major gay character (that i know of): a guy named UTAH (yes. his name is really utah.) who assaults his own sister for reasons related to his internalized homophobia, which he says aloud in his "apology" to her. it's pretty atrocious. maybe colleen had to get some allyship out before taking us deep into the trenches
Hannah I think it's worth investing in one of those Asian hand fans. Would suit your pointing to the wall so well (esp w CoHo content) plus opening it up occasionally would add some extra sassiness 🤣
We need more videos like this analysing books vs their adaptations
I personally hate this style when booktubers do the poster on the wall thing but I don't know why I loved this style with Hanna ❤
I would love for more movie/book comparisons, great video idea, and a great video as always from the greatest and most entertaining booktuber I have seen 😂💙💙
"Just ugly ass outfit after ugly ass outfit...and then more ugly ass outfit" LOLLL I LOVE THIS RANT and if we look at blake's pov it is elegant and chic(or whatever) and they are from her actual wardrobe and her friend gigi's👀 like it somehow suppose to make anything better?!
“We’ll move on. Cause that’s what the books does.” Oof. 👏