Marriage in the US not only allows for tax breaks, but also allows couples to be in charge of each others health when hospitalized or otherwise be able to visit them in the hospital. You also wouldn’t be able to take care of your partners child if they fall ill.
I think he answered them quite clearly, he believes in Christianity, and it says marriage should be between a woman and a man, he didn't say you can't. I thought we all accepted each other's opinions, but i guess we don't as soon as someone disagrees with us 🤷♀ Like here you have comments calling him theocratic f@scist because they heard from someone else say it, you got ppl who call him a ped0, because they again heard other ppl they like say it and don't actually have their own opinion. The left for some reason hears one person disagreeing with them on one thing, and they just start calling them every bad name that exists, that's Marxism to put ppl into grups, so why.
@@V34035 We accept his right to his idiotic opinion, doesn't mean we agree with him. How is this hard to grasp? He himself has stated he is a theocratic fascist. He calls the left pedos You yourself are literally calling everyone who disagrees with you "Marxists"
Tommy would be the most enthusiastic devotee of the global government from Brave New World. He hasn't got a single original thought and lives to be told what to believe by the media propaganda machine.
A healthy exchange of ideas can result in one sides ideas being discredited, colloquially 'destroyed'. Quite often the result of a discussion or debate will be that one side fails to properly defend their arguments. Here Matt failed to defend his arguments because he wasn't willing to openly state the first principal position that they're based on, that being the prioritisation of religious teachings over individual liberty.
Super late on this video, but the “50% of all marriages end in divorce” is actually only a half-truth. It’s more like 1/3 of all 1st marriages end in divorce, and after that the divorce rate gets progressively higher the more marriages you end up in afterwards. I believe the statistic is that almost 70% of all 3rd marriages and beyond end in divorce… which makes sense. Poor communication, serial adulterers, and generally “toxic” people tend to not maintain healthy, long-term relationships.
This is all that I could think of What a marriages is. A marriage is when you found somebody special that you form a very deep friendship who really cares and love each other protects each other she will cook for you and you will help them around the house and try to cook for them and you will care for them. Also you form a contract that neither of you will make love with another person if either of you break it, you have to leave or take marriage counseling. and some money. Sex is a part of marriage it’s a special you don’t talk about what you did with your wife last night to friends like some women of the night you respect her privacy and body and she with you. You’re her man you’re not some man of night.
Sometimes I have too much on my mind. Sure you can just do it, but is it really that special? Sooner or later you just get bored because they’re not that special and they don’t care about you your just fun in blanket fresh meat, just a woman for the night or man for the night or whatever
I’m the biggest Matt Walsh fan believe that, but I don’t agree with him on gay marriage, we need to allow gays to marry and have all the same rights even though we don’t agree with their lifestyle, equality is the most important thing to strive for
Agreed. Even as a Christian, I personally believe same sex marriage to be sin, but I still believe we should legalize it. If we enforce our beliefs, it's not going to convert anyone.
Joes physical appearance. Well, he does train in martial arts, he does hit the weight room. Yet… he also is a proponent of testosterone supplementation for men once you pass a threshold which starts in your 30’s. Genetically he can build a lot of muscle, that’s just his DNA. Keeping that muscle around… training will help but it’s more an attribute of the testosterone.
He keeps saying there's more than procreation and then keeps backpedaling to procreation while making bad faith strawmen in the process. Marriage is about a union of a romantic and sexual nature between two people that love each other, irrespective of their sex or even gender in some cases. It can be about forming a family of their own, but it also necessarily connects families anyway. Like if my brother marries, I'm part of his wife's family in a sense as his brother and her brother in law
Tommy politically is a neanderthal dont even bother, when proven wrong for his flimsy beliefs in 40 years he will just say "Ach well is part of being Human and learning" and take 0 accountability for his degenerate statements.
Actually, this isn't at all bad for Matt. You're outing yourselves as not understanding what Matt is trying to say. Joe does not at all understand Matt's position, and Matt is struggling to explain it in a way that Joe understands. Most modern people don't understand the point that Matt is making, because we have lived all of our lives in a mostly secular society that has long ago lost the understanding of the important of our traditions. What is marriage? It's a simple question. If it's just some secular contract 2 people make with the state, which is basically our modern understanding, then there is absolutely no reason to be against gay marriage. However, if you understand marriage to be an institution, that is commonly found throughout all of human history, with the goal of creating the family unit. If you understand it to be a contract between 2 people, God, and their community, it takes on a completely different meaning. Furthermore, with no fault divorce, it's the only contract in your entire life that any party can cancel at any time for any reason and then take half of your stuff, which has only further served to destroy the institution of marriage. As it stands now, why get married? If 2 people love each other, why get married? What does marriage do for you? What is marriage? "5:49 who cares what a marriage is, why do we need to define what a marriage is?" If you ask yourself this question, about literally any other word, perhaps you'll realize just how stupid of a question that is. If we can't agree on the definition of words than we can't have a conversation.
Except in division of assets, it's usually because the person receiving "your" half of assets sacrificed their working years to raise the kids, make the home, and support your career instead of their own. Your assets before marriage are exempt(unless your spouse contributed to renovations to your previously bought home--one example). It is meant to protect the financially disadvantaged partner from experiencing a significantly diminished quality of life while seeking a living wage with a resume that doesn't exist. Your best bet is to enter marriage with someone either making similar money to you, or don't get butthurt if the person you marry makes more money than you. Pay for daycare instead of letting one person quit their job (or they'll then have "favor" over the marital assets). Like it or not, until the government takes their hands off marriage, then it will continue to be more secular (the gays want to marry) than sacrament (for procreation and symbol of God).
Tommy said that religions should come with the times and stop talking about condoms etc. Most mainstream religions don't oppose condoms or contraception specifically. They oppose sex outside marriage and sex for procreation only. And this is one of the core values of these religion. You change that and it is no longer the same religion.
Secular View: Marriage is a legal agreement Religious View : Marriage is a Sacrament and a Legal agreement Gay Marriage : Is not a Sacrament but legal . And never will be Sacrament and government can't tell any Church that it must be. That's a violation of the 1st amendment.
@@drake1896 imparting divine grace, such as baptism, the Eucharist, marriage . In Latin meaning - sacramentum -"an oath of allegiance, a pledge." Marriage from a Religious view is a Pledge to God and the witness that came to the ceremony . But this concept is universal in almost all religions and spiritual beliefs.
Churches can already reject gay marriage in the USA. The only thing that people want is to codify the law that allows gays to marry them currently so if they codified churches could still reject them and gays could legally get married elsewhere but if not codified then the case upholding gay marriage could get overturned then all forms of gay marriage would be illegal. This BS narrative you push that it infringes on the 1st amendment is a lie and is only preserving vestiges of traditional ideology and does nothing but screw people over. It's so spiteful and evil. Not allowing gays to marry is what actually infringes on their 1st amendment right to pursue happiness and liberty.
@Drake Yeah it is, I'm so tired of these fucking jackasses bitching and moaning because people won't tolerate their propaganda that wants to restrict freedoms for a group they hate.
Matt's entire defense crumbles the moment you being up arranged marriages ( the practice with longer history in different cultures than the country he lives in) Or the fact that Christianity is far from the only culture with marriages. Marriage is not just a Christian thing
If you ask me it's the same shit the Nazis did with homosexuals. Luckily, gays have become so accepted in the West that you can't present them as a minority anymore, so the next group are trans, non binary folks and so on and so forth. I don't believe in the stuff that a small but loud minority on the left is saying (people that people like Walsh would like to present as "the left as a whole"). You know, they decide the pronouns of their unborn child and so on, just bullshit. Almost everyone on this planet is, and will be, either a male or female and that includes trans people. 5% to 10% are non-heterosexual. Something is wrong if you wake up in the morning and get angry because the first thing you think about is that the future of your country is threatened because someone on Twitter said that there are more than two genders. As Tommy said, white christian conservatives can be such hypocrites. I think Tommy would agree with me, acceptance, but real, honest acceptance without that woke SJW bullshit.
Only because the one getting destroyed refuses to admit they don't have an argument. Matt's entire argument is "Marriage is for procreation, it's fine when it's not except when it's the gays in which case it's bad." and when Joe points out the hypocrisy in that he just essentially goes "Nuh uh." It's harder to win an argument against a dumbass because they can't admit that they're wrong and they go into full denial.
Walsh is definitely destroyed. He admits that marriage doesn't need to be about children if it's hetero couple, but when it's gay couple, suddenly it's about marriage.
Wait...does he even understand what would be meant by monogamy? It's not about giving up monogamy, it's not engaging in fidelity within the marriage, hence adultery or infidelity. He phrases it like we've legalized polygamy...which we haven't
Oh the irony: symbolism is embedded within how Christians, especially Catholics, perceive marriage. It's meant to reflect the union of Christ with the church. Symbolism does not make something lesser, it's a necessary thing that humanity and society use to understand things, including institutions. Marriage in particular is communal on many levels: two people communing with their deeply held love, demonstrating that love in a ceremony with friends and family, being recognized as such within their society. Christofascists like Matt take their privileged position for granted and act like gay people getting marriage waters it down. The social priority to get married like it's an accomplishment and that pressure is the problem: no fault divorce can be exploited same as marriage can, doesn't make either of them useless, just prone to potential issues
Can Matt actually list the 3 aspects of marriage Aquinas himself brought up for Catholic thought? It's not strictly procreative, it's nurturing of children, thus he cannot seriously claim that gay couples are antithetical in bringing up children without selectively picking studies that fit his preconceptions.
Allowing the rampant divorce? Does he think they should just micromanage marriage? Again with how hypocritical he is: supposedly not caring, yet also acting like someone else's actions somehow hurts an institution without showing any real understanding of sociology or psychology. People can cohabitate for years before they marry, I still know a couple that's engaged since 2014 or so. I fear they may divorce if only because of the sheer strain that may be happening with the woman really wanting kids, yet they've tried for years. Probably can't afford IVF even with her nurse salary and she likely doesn't want to adopt
Matt walsh is just the weak guy in the class who pick up weaker guys to bullying them in public and show off about that. Go and try with the strong ones and you will see that there are better arguments than those from a bunch of influencers.
@danielarmentq6363 so ur purely basing it on tradition....shall we go back to slavery and female suppression then if we are purely basing our lives on traditional values.
Matt lost the debate from the beginning already. It's not because Joe's argument is strong. He just asked very simple questions. And Joe had to repeat it multiple times. Matt went off the topic all the time because he knew he couldn't give the information that related to the question. Gay marriage is just simply a marriage between two people in love who happen to be men. It does not have any effect on marriage between a man and a woman. I don't know why people like Matt and Ben are so obsessed with that. Are they gay?
I think Matt Walsh is learning. I am very sure I've seen other videos where he has stated he believes homosexuality to be a sin (and by extension gay marriage). I think he has realized that in the USA these views are not mainstream, and only supported by maybe 10,15, possibly 20% of the population. Therefore, he has decided to try and reframe his view based on other reasons that might be more palatable for most people. That is why this feels hollow, because his real views steam from the fact that he (backed up by a small amount of like minded people) interpret the Bible to say homosexuality is a sin. This really has nothing to do with procreation or any of that other nonsense, it has to view with his interpretation of the Bible.
You don't have to shove it down my throat though . I can Vote my own conscience right? In a Democracy? Or is it Political Correctness ? Political Correctness cant exiecest in free society or a Liberal -Democracy
@@walker1tnranger You didn't answer the question though?? Which you people never do? "I can Vote my own conscience right? In a Democracy?" Your above statement is a anti-- Liberal -Democracy statement.
Gay marriage and infidelity are completely different? One is getting married to the one you love and the other is betraying your spouse. How does this make any sense?
@@henrikfitch4017 Marriage is a religious concept, why do gays want to get married when its used by and sacred to people who are from that religion. It's just pointing fun at heterosexual marriages. There is no need for them to get married, the only reason they do is to make themselves seem more normal
@@eatinsomtin9984 Marriage predates any current religion by thousands of years. Your religions don't hold a monopoly on marriage. Marriage provides social and economic benefits to those who marry. Religion should not have any say in how other people's lives are affected. What if someone is gay and religious and wants a religious marriage? Why do care so much about gay people when you turn a blind eye to sins like eating shellfish, wearing clothes made of different fabrics? What makes gay people not normal? You don't seem normal, I think you need help.
Slippery slope argument + argument from ignorance: just because he isn't satisfied, that means he must be right in his ridiculous beliefs rooted in superstition and magical thinking
Tommy you and Joe will always take a back seat to Matt. Neither one of you is as intelligent as you think you are! And please clean up your language out of respect for your 1% female audience. Thank you so much.
Who cares? Well apparently you. When something like marriage which has existed for a long time. It's you who must explain why it should be changed, not us to defend what it always was.
I see what Matt's point is, I also know what modern-day people views on marriage, all the shit talking and alienating other people that has different opinion are bad for society. don't let your viewer tells you how you should view the world tommy.
Ok but what about the east?Like in Romania although we find it weird sometimes and well the old people dislike it and shun it the rest basically dont care about it xD
Tommy tends to fall victim to these American conservative grifters. It's a bit frustrating seeing him shit on these people for their abhorrent beliefs, but then still entertain them as ideologues. Most people don't actually care about these topics. Tommy has just fallen victim to conservative grifters tainting the public discourse. He is playing their game. "I think this guy sometimes has good arguments about other topics." When someone shows you their lack of reason or compassion, take note.
@@kylerfarley3217 Not sure where you got that idea. I don't disagree with much of what Tommy says, but more with who he listens to despite seeming to be disgusted. Also, hateful beliefs shouldn't be tolerated. I reject the idea that we must tolerate intolerance.
@@Evan_30 it's right to be hateful to things that are wrong and disgusting. People don't like gays or other weird sexual fetishes and they're tired of them being pushed on normal people
@@jones877 Stop pretending bigots are acting in self defence, they are the hateful ones whose aggression is the first instance attack, nothing is pushed onto anyone other than homophobia being pushed against the LGBT.
No of course not, you should form your own opinions. Still it's interesting to see the reaction and opinion of someone else on a subject. That's why I think most people look at these videos.
Matt is a complete class act. He holds his own perfectly while he gives the fools ample time to speak their ignorant rhetoric. They'll pay the Piper soon enough.
To me a marriage is a promise of commitment in philosophy while in practice it has evolved into an institution but I don’t think that institution is bad. It just makes life easier for married couples to function for one, financially like with taxes and the ability to move wealth between each other as well as medically since it allows for certain hospital visitation rules to be passed and it allows for the other person to be able to make medical decisions about the partner if that partner is incapacitated. So I get that marriage is an institution but I don’t get why that’s a bad thing.
A lot of people don’t believe in marriage today, but still practice it. The solution is not for people who don’t truly believe in one of the oldest institutions of all human civilization to intrude and try to change what marriage is. They simply should not get married.
@@mostcertainahuman9944 that's right, people blame that marriage bring people to breaking up for some reason these days. Marriage is supposed to bond a relationship closer and it isn't supposed to break up. The sad truth is that people forgot this and they think marrying each other just for the festivity, or for the honeymoon, or some other reason its worth while, when in actuality is the promise of love, forgiveness, cooperation, sincerity towards the partner.
@@mostcertainahuman9944 Because Religion is as old as man himself. Every Culture has and had Spiritual beliefs and those beliefs included marriage and marriage rights. Everyone regardless of its geographical location. Those ancient story's are still past down from a Oral tradition. And at one time those ancient Spiritual beliefs were the Law of those Lands.
@@maximus8574 Kinda hard not to seem like you are struggling when Joe keeps asking the same things several times so the conversation keeps going in circles. Thought it was overall a good conversation besides that.
@@ackerman6709 That's because he never really answers the question consistently. He keeps saying two different things: "People should be able to marry without the intent or possibility of having children" and "gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry because they can't have children"
5:36 "omg people changed the definition of marriage". Bruh. Words change meaning all the time, it completely normal. They also change meaning based on context. Also: completely normal. That is why to his dumb ass question "what is a woman?" there is no one answer, there is multiple answers depending on context. But complex patterns more complex than operating the average toaster often stump conservatives so no surprise there. also: The nuclear family itself is a rather new concept. For most of human history "marriage" would be "one dude and however many women he can afford". If count hunter gatherers it would be more like "it takes a village to raise a kid".
Obscuring language like changing “constitutional republic” to “democracy” when they both mean very different things, is an actual tactic to mold a society into thinking a certain way. Words can only mean one thing, that is something we observe hence why we need to call it something to begin with. Way to drink the Kool-Aid bot.
@@XX_MelobraacRedux "Words can only mean one things" .... no they dont. Here are some examples: "kite" could be a construction made of cloth flying in the wind, or can be a term applied to movement in video-games. "Bolt" can be something that holds a screw in place or it can be slang for a card played in magic the gathering. a ship can be a vessel made to move on water (or space I guess if you are a scifi fan) or something a fandom does to two (hopefully fictional) characters. An essay can be a piece of writing or a scientific experiment. There are countless examples of words having multiple meanings and those are just some with completely different meanings, when you get to slightly different meanings it becomes even more complicated. There is a reason why semantics often takes up a large part of debates and why legal documents have very detailed definitions of any important term in them. also: People who go with the "republic not democracy" line are way too happy to abolish democracy. Be careful with that rhetoric, especially in times when internally and especially in the US fascism is on the rise. Also also: democracy and republic are not mutually exclusive, most democracies are in fact republics and most republics are democracies.
@@noneofyourbusiness3288 So are you arguing that “they can change meanings” argument or sticking to the “they can mean different things” argument? I did bring up that things have a set definition, however for marriage, it *is* one of those things that have a set definition: a tradition that joins together a man and woman, most prominently based in religious beliefs. A civil union is something you might be referring to which something like a government can approve of, but it is not the same thing. That is where problems arise when you conflate the two when it goes against the tradition and religious beliefs of many. That is why people are rightfully angry. No one is saying you can’t be together, but calling it a marriage just to make you happy in your mind isn’t enough, especially when you proceed to trample on other’s faiths and want to get divorced anyhow. Also, please spare me the lecture about what I said about democracy. I bet you learned that in a government sponsored community college and I’m not interested. Thank you for proving my point by brazenly shilling for this kind of obfuscation of language.
@@XX_MelobraacRedux Ok lets go through this point by point: 1) marriage already changed its meaning. The nuclear family is a relatively new concept and the oldest forms of marriage are contracts between families for political or economical gain. They also were usually "one man and however many women he can afford" not "one man one woman". 2) While often officiated by religious officials, that was the case for most important contracts at the time. They dont necessarily have a religious nature. 3) Nobody is trampling on anyones religious believes when marriage includes LGBT-couples. I swear right wingers have some kind of victim complex going on. YOU dont et to impose YOUR believes on somebody else. That is the entire point of secularism and religious liberty. How would you like it if pastafarians changes the meaning of marriage to "one man and his noodle sieve" and now your marriage is illegitimated? 4) If you want to say a religious institution can refuse to officiate a marriage, I agree with you. I would not force a priest to do a church-wedding for an LGBT couple, or an interracial couple, or any couple if he wants to be a dick about it. But people have a right to a government-wedding. I would also say that if you are discriminatory you should wave your tax-exempt status (though I dislike the idea of untaxed religion in general). If you want to be bigoted you dont get tax breaks. Still not infringing on anyones believes. 5) "Omg government community college", no I learned that in middle-school. Still government funded yes, but not part of some crazy conspiracy. 6) Republic = temporary head of state, not life-time inherited title. Democracy = control of government institutions is distributed to as many people as possible. Usually be some kind of voting mechanism that elects representatives (representative democracy, though direct democracy does also exist). 7) The US has both: it has elections (democracy: check) and it has a temporary head of state(republic check). I grant you that it is a pretty shitty democracy with very outdated systems (otherwise there would be more than 2 parties and Republicans would not stand a chance federally), but it has some degree of democratic control. Functionally it is closer to an oligarchy and with Republicans bringing Moore v Harper before SCOTUS it might slip into out right autocracy. But as for now, still a democracy. Though the right is trying very hard to change that.
@Ryan Dean He doesn't have any, unfortunately. Any person with common sense seen that Matt repeated himself saying nothing, and Joe countered with very simple questions
If you gotta to marry, noone is forcing you to have "christian" marriage... but if you want a "christian" marriage, then u gotta follow the rules. Simple Have civil marriage, have another religions' marriage ceremony if you want, if you cant follow christian values, then dont force yourself to a christian marriage!
Of course anyone can get married, and even get married and not have children, it's a personal decision that no third party other than the couple should meddle with. What happens is that throughout history it has been shown that marriages between men and women are the ones that have given the best results in terms of prosperity, wealth, longevity of life, etc. Those who marry the same sex or even among heterosexual people who marry and do not want children have to accept the consequences of their decisions. In other words, for example, couples who have children later when they are old are the children who take care of the parents so that they have a better quality of life, they can have health insurance, but ultimately there are always the children who take care of from his parents. Same-sex couples and heterosexual couples who do not want to have children have to accept these consequences, therefore when a statistic is made saying that couples without children or same-sex couples have a worse time than heterosexual couples with children, they should not ask the state to make others pay the consequences. That's the real problem. They should not want the state to pay them a compensation, making that loss have to be paid by the rest of the people who happend to have a traditional marriage.
I'm not watching this. I paused b4 it started. I just want to comment: JR didn't destroy MW. The title tells me that the maker of this vid is gay, or corrupt, to say the least. And I expect most of the comments on this vid to be from gays.
I consider myself to be very right wing, but I've never really understood why people oppose gay marriage. I think the only thing that should be put in place is that you shouldn't be forced to marry a gay couple if your religion doesn't like it, like forcing a church to have a priest marry a gay couple in the church or something, let them choose if they want to or not. I know Tommy's take on religion is that of an edgy 14 year old Redditor who just learned about Atheism. But most religious people don't actually oppose gay marriage, they might not really like it, but they're not going to protest it either. Only the very extreme ones like those psychos over in Westboro Baptist Church genuinely oppose it. As a Christian myself, I will be the first to stand up to any religious person who holds a sign saying "God hates gays" because you're a blasphemer if you say that. We're all God's children, and he loves all of us, a true father isn't going to hate you because you do something that maybe he doesn't fully approve of. There's literally no reason to oppose it other than you just don't like it. But at the end of the day, unlike certain other things this topic doesn't fundamentally change anything. It doesn't even fundamentally change marriage. All it does it give the right to gay people to marry so there is quite literally 0 reason to oppose it.
@@eatinsomtin9984 so what if he does, there are a lot of things that people do in their personal life that I don’t agree with. In a way that’s the same thing as believing it is sinful
@@FatAndGreese I was just asking cause he said he considered himself right wing. How can you be VERY right wing but agree with gay marriage? I don't agree with that degeneracy and im not very right wing.
Half the country if not a estimated large minority is Christian, and it appeals to the Conservative ethos of upholding traditionalist values. Its why many politicians or public figures like Walsh appeal to this large base if not it would not be worth it. Christians deserve to be respected but as soon as its brought into politics that is ruined
0:07 Isn't it interesting how Tommy needs permission from others to like something. Some people tell him '' Watch out! He's dangerous'' and he immedietly goes from liking to disliking someone. How braindead is Tommy?
Got no problem what you do in private. But Not in my Church. Gay Marriage : Is not a Sacrament but legal . And never will be Sacrament and government can't tell any Church that it must be. That's a violation of the 1st amendment.
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You bringing up modern marriage statistics to combat traditional marriage values is a fools errand, the entire point is that traditional marriage values were removed and that the modern divorce statistics reinforce that view, you're just proving the point not refuting it. The argument would be to look at divorce rates long ago compared to modern times.
Good thing we don't have any of these talks in Islamic countries, unlike the west and especially western Europe's whose only new cultural thing has been trying to force LGBT.
@@martalevin4829 You are the only one hating people here. I just want everyone to have equal rights. Why do you insist on denying gay people marriage? What harm does gay marriage do to you or anyone else?
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Tommy calling himself a "heterosexual god" made me fall from my chair keku
Marriage in the US not only allows for tax breaks, but also allows couples to be in charge of each others health when hospitalized or otherwise be able to visit them in the hospital. You also wouldn’t be able to take care of your partners child if they fall ill.
And then there’s the aspect of having kids as a same sex couple being barred from doing so
It also allows them to transfer wealth and access to public survivors benefits. LIke Social Security and Public Union Pensions.
@@roboparks mhm^^
@@Lords1997 mhm^^?????????
@@roboparks it’s an expression of agreement
Matt struggled so much with the simple questions Joe had. I loved this clip when I first watched it.
Who’s Matt?
He's so full of shit. Probably in the closet
I think he answered them quite clearly, he believes in Christianity, and it says marriage should be between a woman and a man, he didn't say you can't.
I thought we all accepted each other's opinions, but i guess we don't as soon as someone disagrees with us 🤷♀
Like here you have comments calling him theocratic f@scist because they heard from someone else say it, you got ppl who call him a ped0, because they again heard other ppl they like say it and don't actually have their own opinion.
The left for some reason hears one person disagreeing with them on one thing, and they just start calling them every bad name that exists, that's Marxism to put ppl into grups, so why.
@@V34035 We accept his right to his idiotic opinion, doesn't mean we agree with him. How is this hard to grasp?
He himself has stated he is a theocratic fascist.
He calls the left pedos
You yourself are literally calling everyone who disagrees with you "Marxists"
@@V34035I think people like you should be imprisoned forever in a gulag. It’s just my opinion, you respect other people’s opinions don’t you?
matt would be the most loyal subject in the handmaid's tale
Tommy would be the most enthusiastic devotee of the global government from Brave New World. He hasn't got a single original thought and lives to be told what to believe by the media propaganda machine.
I don't think Tommy knows the matt Walsh self identifies as a theocratic fascist.
Isn't he satirical regarding that?
@@lawden210 it would be satire if everything he says and believes wasn't 100% consistent with what a theocratic fascist would say or believe
@@harrylion6689 exactly
@@harrylion6689 what?
Man, you’re completely braindead. Get help. He said that a joke you Neanderthal.
Destroyed? They had a healthy share of ideas. People just get so offended
Because rogan discredited Matt's point of views as he couldn't defend it. It is Matt who is butthurt that same sex couples are getting married.
@@nolove85es yo... You sound butt hurt. In more ways than one 😏
A healthy exchange of ideas can result in one sides ideas being discredited, colloquially 'destroyed'. Quite often the result of a discussion or debate will be that one side fails to properly defend their arguments. Here Matt failed to defend his arguments because he wasn't willing to openly state the first principal position that they're based on, that being the prioritisation of religious teachings over individual liberty.
Super late on this video, but the “50% of all marriages end in divorce” is actually only a half-truth. It’s more like 1/3 of all 1st marriages end in divorce, and after that the divorce rate gets progressively higher the more marriages you end up in afterwards. I believe the statistic is that almost 70% of all 3rd marriages and beyond end in divorce… which makes sense. Poor communication, serial adulterers, and generally “toxic” people tend to not maintain healthy, long-term relationships.
4:48 Clip it, ship it, get the memes ready!
This is all that I could think of What a marriages is. A marriage is when you found somebody special that you form a very deep friendship who really cares and love each other protects each other she will cook for you and you will help them around the house and try to cook for them and you will care for them. Also you form a contract that neither of you will make love with another person if either of you break it, you have to leave or take marriage counseling. and some money. Sex is a part of marriage it’s a special you don’t talk about what you did with your wife last night to friends like some women of the night you respect her privacy and body and she with you. You’re her man you’re not some man of night.
Sometimes I have too much on my mind. Sure you can just do it, but is it really that special? Sooner or later you just get bored because they’re not that special and they don’t care about you your just fun in blanket fresh meat, just a woman for the night or man for the night or whatever
By law, it is people who go to the courthouse, fill out the form, and pay the fee. That's it!
I’m the biggest Matt Walsh fan believe that, but I don’t agree with him on gay marriage, we need to allow gays to marry and have all the same rights even though we don’t agree with their lifestyle, equality is the most important thing to strive for
We shouldn’t let Christians marry each other
@@bigmanreef5749Bro what? Why?
Then what are you fan of? When it comes to Walsh?
Agreed. Even as a Christian, I personally believe same sex marriage to be sin, but I still believe we should legalize it. If we enforce our beliefs, it's not going to convert anyone.
if someone else gettting married makes your marriage meaningless it didnt have meaning in the first place
Joes physical appearance.
Well, he does train in martial arts, he does hit the weight room. Yet… he also is a proponent of testosterone supplementation for men once you pass a threshold which starts in your 30’s.
Genetically he can build a lot of muscle, that’s just his DNA. Keeping that muscle around… training will help but it’s more an attribute of the testosterone.
He keeps saying there's more than procreation and then keeps backpedaling to procreation while making bad faith strawmen in the process. Marriage is about a union of a romantic and sexual nature between two people that love each other, irrespective of their sex or even gender in some cases. It can be about forming a family of their own, but it also necessarily connects families anyway. Like if my brother marries, I'm part of his wife's family in a sense as his brother and her brother in law
Tommy politically is a neanderthal dont even bother, when proven wrong for his flimsy beliefs in 40 years he will just say "Ach well is part of being Human and learning" and take 0 accountability for his degenerate statements.
Actually, this isn't at all bad for Matt. You're outing yourselves as not understanding what Matt is trying to say. Joe does not at all understand Matt's position, and Matt is struggling to explain it in a way that Joe understands. Most modern people don't understand the point that Matt is making, because we have lived all of our lives in a mostly secular society that has long ago lost the understanding of the important of our traditions. What is marriage? It's a simple question. If it's just some secular contract 2 people make with the state, which is basically our modern understanding, then there is absolutely no reason to be against gay marriage. However, if you understand marriage to be an institution, that is commonly found throughout all of human history, with the goal of creating the family unit. If you understand it to be a contract between 2 people, God, and their community, it takes on a completely different meaning. Furthermore, with no fault divorce, it's the only contract in your entire life that any party can cancel at any time for any reason and then take half of your stuff, which has only further served to destroy the institution of marriage. As it stands now, why get married? If 2 people love each other, why get married? What does marriage do for you? What is marriage?
"5:49 who cares what a marriage is, why do we need to define what a marriage is?"
If you ask yourself this question, about literally any other word, perhaps you'll realize just how stupid of a question that is. If we can't agree on the definition of words than we can't have a conversation.
Except in division of assets, it's usually because the person receiving "your" half of assets sacrificed their working years to raise the kids, make the home, and support your career instead of their own.
Your assets before marriage are exempt(unless your spouse contributed to renovations to your previously bought home--one example). It is meant to protect the financially disadvantaged partner from experiencing a significantly diminished quality of life while seeking a living wage with a resume that doesn't exist.
Your best bet is to enter marriage with someone either making similar money to you, or don't get butthurt if the person you marry makes more money than you. Pay for daycare instead of letting one person quit their job (or they'll then have "favor" over the marital assets).
Like it or not, until the government takes their hands off marriage, then it will continue to be more secular (the gays want to marry) than sacrament (for procreation and symbol of God).
Tommy said that religions should come with the times and stop talking about condoms etc. Most mainstream religions don't oppose condoms or contraception specifically. They oppose sex outside marriage and sex for procreation only. And this is one of the core values of these religion. You change that and it is no longer the same religion.
Republicans in America have already been caught talking about banning contraception and IVF. Religions are still in the 1900s the world over.
Secular View: Marriage is a legal agreement
Religious View : Marriage is a Sacrament and a Legal agreement
Gay Marriage : Is not a Sacrament but legal . And never will be Sacrament and government can't tell any Church that it must be. That's a violation of the 1st amendment.
What does sacrament mean
@@drake1896 imparting divine grace, such as baptism, the Eucharist, marriage .
In Latin meaning - sacramentum -"an oath of allegiance, a pledge." Marriage from a Religious view is a Pledge to God and the witness that came to the ceremony . But this concept is universal in almost all religions and spiritual beliefs.
Churches can already reject gay marriage in the USA. The only thing that people want is to codify the law that allows gays to marry them currently so if they codified churches could still reject them and gays could legally get married elsewhere but if not codified then the case upholding gay marriage could get overturned then all forms of gay marriage would be illegal. This BS narrative you push that it infringes on the 1st amendment is a lie and is only preserving vestiges of traditional ideology and does nothing but screw people over. It's so spiteful and evil. Not allowing gays to marry is what actually infringes on their 1st amendment right to pursue happiness and liberty.
@@zking2929 Man thats a great comment, shame no one will see iy
@Drake Yeah it is, I'm so tired of these fucking jackasses bitching and moaning because people won't tolerate their propaganda that wants to restrict freedoms for a group they hate.
I stopped listening to this Matt dude 5 minutes in.
That's because he doesn't say anything and just likes hearing himself talk
Matt's entire defense crumbles the moment you being up arranged marriages
( the practice with longer history in different cultures than the country he lives in)
Or the fact that Christianity is far from the only culture with marriages.
Marriage is not just a Christian thing
I wonder what Tommy thinks of Matt Walsh's What is a woman?
How would/does he feel about it?
I'm pretty certain Tommy is a trans supporter and considers them the gender they say they are, I don't 100% know though😃
@@frantnegh7583 I hope (and imagine) he probably is quite trans friendly
If you ask me it's the same shit the Nazis did with homosexuals. Luckily, gays have become so accepted in the West that you can't present them as a minority anymore, so the next group are trans, non binary folks and so on and so forth.
I don't believe in the stuff that a small but loud minority on the left is saying (people that people like Walsh would like to present as "the left as a whole"). You know, they decide the pronouns of their unborn child and so on, just bullshit.
Almost everyone on this planet is, and will be, either a male or female and that includes trans people. 5% to 10% are non-heterosexual. Something is wrong if you wake up in the morning and get angry because the first thing you think about is that the future of your country is threatened because someone on Twitter said that there are more than two genders. As Tommy said, white christian conservatives can be such hypocrites. I think Tommy would agree with me, acceptance, but real, honest acceptance without that woke SJW bullshit.
@@League_Femboy TRANS RIGHTS!!!🏳⚧🏳⚧🏳⚧🏳⚧
@@henrikfitch4017 hell yeah 🏳️🌈⚧
Nobody is every destroyed in these silly debates that go nowhere.
Only because the one getting destroyed refuses to admit they don't have an argument. Matt's entire argument is "Marriage is for procreation, it's fine when it's not except when it's the gays in which case it's bad." and when Joe points out the hypocrisy in that he just essentially goes "Nuh uh."
It's harder to win an argument against a dumbass because they can't admit that they're wrong and they go into full denial.
@@BenersantheBread Exactly.
Walsh is definitely destroyed. He admits that marriage doesn't need to be about children if it's hetero couple, but when it's gay couple, suddenly it's about marriage.
Wait...does he even understand what would be meant by monogamy? It's not about giving up monogamy, it's not engaging in fidelity within the marriage, hence adultery or infidelity. He phrases it like we've legalized polygamy...which we haven't
Oh the irony: symbolism is embedded within how Christians, especially Catholics, perceive marriage. It's meant to reflect the union of Christ with the church. Symbolism does not make something lesser, it's a necessary thing that humanity and society use to understand things, including institutions.
Marriage in particular is communal on many levels: two people communing with their deeply held love, demonstrating that love in a ceremony with friends and family, being recognized as such within their society. Christofascists like Matt take their privileged position for granted and act like gay people getting marriage waters it down. The social priority to get married like it's an accomplishment and that pressure is the problem: no fault divorce can be exploited same as marriage can, doesn't make either of them useless, just prone to potential issues
I didn't know I wanted this crossover. Oh wait, I didn't. Nobody did.
Shush
Cope
Enjoy your free entertainment, gremlin
@@jukebox5600 cringe
@@TheMaper1000 🤓
Can Matt actually list the 3 aspects of marriage Aquinas himself brought up for Catholic thought? It's not strictly procreative, it's nurturing of children, thus he cannot seriously claim that gay couples are antithetical in bringing up children without selectively picking studies that fit his preconceptions.
Allowing the rampant divorce? Does he think they should just micromanage marriage? Again with how hypocritical he is: supposedly not caring, yet also acting like someone else's actions somehow hurts an institution without showing any real understanding of sociology or psychology.
People can cohabitate for years before they marry, I still know a couple that's engaged since 2014 or so. I fear they may divorce if only because of the sheer strain that may be happening with the woman really wanting kids, yet they've tried for years. Probably can't afford IVF even with her nurse salary and she likely doesn't want to adopt
Matt walsh is just the weak guy in the class who pick up weaker guys to bullying them in public and show off about that. Go and try with the strong ones and you will see that there are better arguments than those from a bunch of influencers.
@danielarmentq6363according to who
@danielarmentq6363 so ur purely basing it on tradition....shall we go back to slavery and female suppression then if we are purely basing our lives on traditional values.
Matt lost the debate from the beginning already. It's not because Joe's argument is strong. He just asked very simple questions. And Joe had to repeat it multiple times. Matt went off the topic all the time because he knew he couldn't give the information that related to the question. Gay marriage is just simply a marriage between two people in love who happen to be men. It does not have any effect on marriage between a man and a woman. I don't know why people like Matt and Ben are so obsessed with that. Are they gay?
It's just talking points that trigger everyone.
I think Matt Walsh is learning. I am very sure I've seen other videos where he has stated he believes homosexuality to be a sin (and by extension gay marriage). I think he has realized that in the USA these views are not mainstream, and only supported by maybe 10,15, possibly 20% of the population. Therefore, he has decided to try and reframe his view based on other reasons that might be more palatable for most people. That is why this feels hollow, because his real views steam from the fact that he (backed up by a small amount of like minded people) interpret the Bible to say homosexuality is a sin. This really has nothing to do with procreation or any of that other nonsense, it has to view with his interpretation of the Bible.
My favorite is when people who are anti religion judge just as badly as those who are religious.
2 sides fallacy.
You don’t have to respect ignorance. It only normalises it.
@@apian7594 which side is ignorant?
@@Marklennon whichever one believes homosexuality to be immoral or unnatural and that gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed.
@@apian7594 I would 100% *agree that is ignorant af. But I still can’t dismiss them completely as humans.
If you are against gay marriage/are homophobic you really need to be checked out and go outside to talk to people more often
You don't have to shove it down my throat though . I can Vote my own conscience right? In a Democracy? Or is it Political Correctness ? Political Correctness cant exiecest in free society or a Liberal -Democracy
@@roboparks Come back to me when you can form a coherent sentence
@@walker1tnranger There you go you Stalin lover!
@@walker1tnranger You didn't answer the question though?? Which you people never do? "I can Vote my own conscience right? In a Democracy?" Your above statement is a anti-- Liberal -Democracy statement.
@@roboparks I am against liberal democracy, but this conversation is about basic human decency.
Tommy making fun of Hassan is always funny because Ik they would agree on a lot
If gay marriage is okay then how can you claim infidelity is wrong? Also heterosexual couples are not more adulterous than homosexual couples
Gay marriage and infidelity are completely different? One is getting married to the one you love and the other is betraying your spouse. How does this make any sense?
@@henrikfitch4017 Marriage is a religious concept, why do gays want to get married when its used by and sacred to people who are from that religion. It's just pointing fun at heterosexual marriages. There is no need for them to get married, the only reason they do is to make themselves seem more normal
@@eatinsomtin9984 Marriage predates any current religion by thousands of years. Your religions don't hold a monopoly on marriage.
Marriage provides social and economic benefits to those who marry.
Religion should not have any say in how other people's lives are affected.
What if someone is gay and religious and wants a religious marriage?
Why do care so much about gay people when you turn a blind eye to sins like eating shellfish, wearing clothes made of different fabrics?
What makes gay people not normal? You don't seem normal, I think you need help.
@@henrikfitch4017 because they typically aren't monogamous and if gay marriage is okay then how is infidelity wrong
@@paddybickle3365 Gonna need a source on: "they are typically not monogamous"
one reason to make babies in a reasonable amount is to not fuck with the pyramid of age groups
Why would one marry and not have kids? Seriously what point do women serve beyond baby making?
Nah joe rogan got destroyed 😂😂
Slippery slope argument + argument from ignorance: just because he isn't satisfied, that means he must be right in his ridiculous beliefs rooted in superstition and magical thinking
Tommy you and Joe will always take a back seat to Matt. Neither one of you is as intelligent as you think you are! And please clean up your language out of respect for your 1% female audience. Thank you so much.
Never had this kind of thing on the Vibe channel
Who cares? Well apparently you. When something like marriage which has existed for a long time. It's you who must explain why it should be changed, not us to defend what it always was.
Tommy learn what a principle definition is
I see what Matt's point is, I also know what modern-day people views on marriage, all the shit talking and alienating other people that has different opinion are bad for society.
don't let your viewer tells you how you should view the world tommy.
Ok but what about the east?Like in Romania although we find it weird sometimes and well the old people dislike it and shun it the rest basically dont care about it xD
So basically the elders have the highest IQ, gotcha
@@edelweiss7928Its the non sub from chat.
@@melkormorgothbauglir.4848 imagine donating to a millionaire no wonder zoomers kill themselves in record high numbers
Let's not joke around here in the east, gay ppl arent accepted by gen-z as well.
Is Tommy becoming a political streamer now? 😂
Gay marriage is just weird
Tommy tends to fall victim to these American conservative grifters. It's a bit frustrating seeing him shit on these people for their abhorrent beliefs, but then still entertain them as ideologues.
Most people don't actually care about these topics. Tommy has just fallen victim to conservative grifters tainting the public discourse. He is playing their game.
"I think this guy sometimes has good arguments about other topics." When someone shows you their lack of reason or compassion, take note.
He can't have his own beliefs?
@@kylerfarley3217 Not sure where you got that idea. I don't disagree with much of what Tommy says, but more with who he listens to despite seeming to be disgusted.
Also, hateful beliefs shouldn't be tolerated. I reject the idea that we must tolerate intolerance.
@@Evan_30 it's right to be hateful to things that are wrong and disgusting. People don't like gays or other weird sexual fetishes and they're tired of them being pushed on normal people
@@jones877 Stop pretending bigots are acting in self defence, they are the hateful ones whose aggression is the first instance attack, nothing is pushed onto anyone other than homophobia being pushed against the LGBT.
@@jones877 Who hurt you? And why is it gay people?
I think you shouldnt take political views from Tommy
No of course not, you should form your own opinions.
Still it's interesting to see the reaction and opinion of someone else on a subject. That's why I think most people look at these videos.
Matt is a complete class act. He holds his own perfectly while he gives the fools ample time to speak their ignorant rhetoric. They'll pay the Piper soon enough.
Please drop the crack pipe my son
Balding
balding is a sign of too much testastorone
To me a marriage is a promise of commitment in philosophy while in practice it has evolved into an institution but I don’t think that institution is bad. It just makes life easier for married couples to function for one, financially like with taxes and the ability to move wealth between each other as well as medically since it allows for certain hospital visitation rules to be passed and it allows for the other person to be able to make medical decisions about the partner if that partner is incapacitated. So I get that marriage is an institution but I don’t get why that’s a bad thing.
A lot of people don’t believe in marriage today, but still practice it.
The solution is not for people who don’t truly believe in one of the oldest institutions of all human civilization to intrude and try to change what marriage is. They simply should not get married.
Or simply have a civil marriage?
Marriage is a religious thing. There should be a civil union.
Marriage predates all known religious scriptures and spans every continent. I dont know what it has to do with religion?
@@mostcertainahuman9944 that's right, people blame that marriage bring people to breaking up for some reason these days. Marriage is supposed to bond a relationship closer and it isn't supposed to break up. The sad truth is that people forgot this and they think marrying each other just for the festivity, or for the honeymoon, or some other reason its worth while, when in actuality is the promise of love, forgiveness, cooperation, sincerity towards the partner.
@@mostcertainahuman9944 Because Religion is as old as man himself. Every Culture has and had Spiritual beliefs and those beliefs included marriage and marriage rights. Everyone regardless of its geographical location. Those ancient story's are still past down from a Oral tradition. And at one time those ancient Spiritual beliefs were the Law of those Lands.
Not strictly religious
Where did Matt get owned?
he is literally struggling throughout the entire clip? did you even watch the video
@@maximus8574 Kinda hard not to seem like you are struggling when Joe keeps asking the same things several times so the conversation keeps going in circles. Thought it was overall a good conversation besides that.
"14 minutes ago" you commented before even finishing the video lol why not watch and see him lose the argument
@@reinforced9084 I watched the entire podcast when it came out a while ago.
@@ackerman6709 That's because he never really answers the question consistently. He keeps saying two different things: "People should be able to marry without the intent or possibility of having children" and "gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry because they can't have children"
5:36 "omg people changed the definition of marriage". Bruh. Words change meaning all the time, it completely normal. They also change meaning based on context. Also: completely normal. That is why to his dumb ass question "what is a woman?" there is no one answer, there is multiple answers depending on context. But complex patterns more complex than operating the average toaster often stump conservatives so no surprise there.
also: The nuclear family itself is a rather new concept. For most of human history "marriage" would be "one dude and however many women he can afford". If count hunter gatherers it would be more like "it takes a village to raise a kid".
Obscuring language like changing “constitutional republic” to “democracy” when they both mean very different things, is an actual tactic to mold a society into thinking a certain way. Words can only mean one thing, that is something we observe hence why we need to call it something to begin with. Way to drink the Kool-Aid bot.
@@XX_MelobraacRedux "Words can only mean one things" .... no they dont. Here are some examples: "kite" could be a construction made of cloth flying in the wind, or can be a term applied to movement in video-games. "Bolt" can be something that holds a screw in place or it can be slang for a card played in magic the gathering. a ship can be a vessel made to move on water (or space I guess if you are a scifi fan) or something a fandom does to two (hopefully fictional) characters. An essay can be a piece of writing or a scientific experiment.
There are countless examples of words having multiple meanings and those are just some with completely different meanings, when you get to slightly different meanings it becomes even more complicated. There is a reason why semantics often takes up a large part of debates and why legal documents have very detailed definitions of any important term in them.
also: People who go with the "republic not democracy" line are way too happy to abolish democracy. Be careful with that rhetoric, especially in times when internally and especially in the US fascism is on the rise. Also also: democracy and republic are not mutually exclusive, most democracies are in fact republics and most republics are democracies.
@@noneofyourbusiness3288 So are you arguing that “they can change meanings” argument or sticking to the “they can mean different things” argument? I did bring up that things have a set definition, however for marriage, it *is* one of those things that have a set definition: a tradition that joins together a man and woman, most prominently based in religious beliefs. A civil union is something you might be referring to which something like a government can approve of, but it is not the same thing. That is where problems arise when you conflate the two when it goes against the tradition and religious beliefs of many. That is why people are rightfully angry. No one is saying you can’t be together, but calling it a marriage just to make you happy in your mind isn’t enough, especially when you proceed to trample on other’s faiths and want to get divorced anyhow. Also, please spare me the lecture about what I said about democracy. I bet you learned that in a government sponsored community college and I’m not interested. Thank you for proving my point by brazenly shilling for this kind of obfuscation of language.
@@XX_MelobraacRedux Ok lets go through this point by point:
1) marriage already changed its meaning. The nuclear family is a relatively new concept and the oldest forms of marriage are contracts between families for political or economical gain. They also were usually "one man and however many women he can afford" not "one man one woman".
2) While often officiated by religious officials, that was the case for most important contracts at the time. They dont necessarily have a religious nature.
3) Nobody is trampling on anyones religious believes when marriage includes LGBT-couples. I swear right wingers have some kind of victim complex going on. YOU dont et to impose YOUR believes on somebody else. That is the entire point of secularism and religious liberty. How would you like it if pastafarians changes the meaning of marriage to "one man and his noodle sieve" and now your marriage is illegitimated?
4) If you want to say a religious institution can refuse to officiate a marriage, I agree with you. I would not force a priest to do a church-wedding for an LGBT couple, or an interracial couple, or any couple if he wants to be a dick about it. But people have a right to a government-wedding. I would also say that if you are discriminatory you should wave your tax-exempt status (though I dislike the idea of untaxed religion in general). If you want to be bigoted you dont get tax breaks. Still not infringing on anyones believes.
5) "Omg government community college", no I learned that in middle-school. Still government funded yes, but not part of some crazy conspiracy.
6) Republic = temporary head of state, not life-time inherited title. Democracy = control of government institutions is distributed to as many people as possible. Usually be some kind of voting mechanism that elects representatives (representative democracy, though direct democracy does also exist).
7) The US has both: it has elections (democracy: check) and it has a temporary head of state(republic check). I grant you that it is a pretty shitty democracy with very outdated systems (otherwise there would be more than 2 parties and Republicans would not stand a chance federally), but it has some degree of democratic control. Functionally it is closer to an oligarchy and with Republicans bringing Moore v Harper before SCOTUS it might slip into out right autocracy. But as for now, still a democracy. Though the right is trying very hard to change that.
@@noneofyourbusiness3288 Fellow lefty. Good to see you sir!
(I'm using sir in the military sense, don't know what your gender actually is.)
based Joe Rogan & Tommykay
Joe just asked the same shit over and over really don't feel like Matt struggled
Matt struggles to answer turn your braincells on
@Ryan Dean He doesn't have any, unfortunately. Any person with common sense seen that Matt repeated himself saying nothing, and Joe countered with very simple questions
If you gotta to marry, noone is forcing you to have "christian" marriage... but if you want a "christian" marriage, then u gotta follow the rules. Simple
Have civil marriage, have another religions' marriage ceremony if you want, if you cant follow christian values, then dont force yourself to a christian marriage!
Of course anyone can get married, and even get married and not have children, it's a personal decision that no third party other than the couple should meddle with. What happens is that throughout history it has been shown that marriages between men and women are the ones that have given the best results in terms of prosperity, wealth, longevity of life, etc. Those who marry the same sex or even among heterosexual people who marry and do not want children have to accept the consequences of their decisions. In other words, for example, couples who have children later when they are old are the children who take care of the parents so that they have a better quality of life, they can have health insurance, but ultimately there are always the children who take care of from his parents. Same-sex couples and heterosexual couples who do not want to have children have to accept these consequences, therefore when a statistic is made saying that couples without children or same-sex couples have a worse time than heterosexual couples with children, they should not ask the state to make others pay the consequences. That's the real problem. They should not want the state to pay them a compensation, making that loss have to be paid by the rest of the people who happend to have a traditional marriage.
I'm not watching this. I paused b4 it started. I just want to comment:
JR didn't destroy MW. The title tells me that the maker of this vid is gay, or corrupt, to say the least. And I expect most of the comments on this vid to be from gays.
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I consider myself to be very right wing, but I've never really understood why people oppose gay marriage. I think the only thing that should be put in place is that you shouldn't be forced to marry a gay couple if your religion doesn't like it, like forcing a church to have a priest marry a gay couple in the church or something, let them choose if they want to or not. I know Tommy's take on religion is that of an edgy 14 year old Redditor who just learned about Atheism. But most religious people don't actually oppose gay marriage, they might not really like it, but they're not going to protest it either. Only the very extreme ones like those psychos over in Westboro Baptist Church genuinely oppose it. As a Christian myself, I will be the first to stand up to any religious person who holds a sign saying "God hates gays" because you're a blasphemer if you say that. We're all God's children, and he loves all of us, a true father isn't going to hate you because you do something that maybe he doesn't fully approve of. There's literally no reason to oppose it other than you just don't like it. But at the end of the day, unlike certain other things this topic doesn't fundamentally change anything. It doesn't even fundamentally change marriage. All it does it give the right to gay people to marry so there is quite literally 0 reason to oppose it.
Do you see gay sex as a sin?
@@eatinsomtin9984 so what if he does, there are a lot of things that people do in their personal life that I don’t agree with. In a way that’s the same thing as believing it is sinful
@@FatAndGreese I was just asking cause he said he considered himself right wing. How can you be VERY right wing but agree with gay marriage? I don't agree with that degeneracy and im not very right wing.
he didnt destroy him he just repeated the same question over and over again although matt had said what he thought on the subgect
Matt dodged and avoided the question and never gave an actual answer
Matt couldn't defend his stance because he didn't have a valid one.
Which he wouldn't have had to do if Matt could answer the question in a logically consistent manner.
He’s a little too religious and often forgets America is a religiously free nation, but he’s right on a lot of other things
Hard to support a guy when he just goes around and tries to say the most pedopheliac shit he can think of
America has never been secular, it's always been culturally Christian
Half the country if not a estimated large minority is Christian, and it appeals to the Conservative ethos of upholding traditionalist values. Its why many politicians or public figures like Walsh appeal to this large base if not it would not be worth it. Christians deserve to be respected but as soon as its brought into politics that is ruined
What is he right about in your opinion?
The problem he literally wants to turn America into a theocracy. A majority of conservatives in America would be okay with that
0:07 Isn't it interesting how Tommy needs permission from others to like something. Some people tell him '' Watch out! He's dangerous'' and he immedietly goes from liking to disliking someone. How braindead is Tommy?
literally not what he said.
He too has contracted the mind virus sadly.
He's a streamer he has to be careful what people say on his stream
Maybe he's just not all that caught up in your culture war.
@@samogonbrother Literally what he said 🤦♂🤣🤣
0:54 the group you’re advocating marriage for are a lot more guilty of that than the Catholic Church, and that’s saying something 😹
Majority of the priests who are molesting children are gay, which is often ignored as well
Wait till he hears about people who who work in education
That's just factually not true
A lot less guilty than heterosexuals are actually, the stereotype should either not exist or be reversed.
Oh boy your name is “Edelweiss” and you’re equating gay people with pedophiles! I wonder what you think of Jewish people?
Why do you hate people loving each other?
Got no problem what you do in private. But Not in my Church. Gay Marriage : Is not a Sacrament but legal . And never will be Sacrament and government can't tell any Church that it must be. That's a violation of the 1st amendment.
Popoo sex and love which can bring a life into this world are not even comparable the first one infects the latter by try to make itself be accepted
Matt is right
..wing!
He’s a moron
He has literally nothing of worth to offer anybody when it comes to political punditry. Everything he says is just derived from religion
Can't force people how to live
@thelight that is what the left is trying to controlling us
@@humanoidwolf
Learn grammar
Imagine thinking gay marriage ok, what's wrong with you people
Imagine being such a snowflake you actually care what two consenting adults do in their free time that causes no one any harm.
@@henrikfitch4017 imagine being someone who doesn't care about right and wrong
@@yousefshehata6330 Explain to me what is wrong about gay people being allowed to marry?
@@henrikfitch4017 explain to me what's right about it? How can you possibly think that's right
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You bringing up modern marriage statistics to combat traditional marriage values is a fools errand, the entire point is that traditional marriage values were removed and that the modern divorce statistics reinforce that view, you're just proving the point not refuting it. The argument would be to look at divorce rates long ago compared to modern times.
Good thing we don't have any of these talks in Islamic countries, unlike the west and especially western Europe's whose only new cultural thing has been trying to force LGBT.
not a good thing
Why do you hate marriage?
I love marriage, I just want all adult couples to be able to marry.
@@henrikfitch4017 so you will hate on people until then
@@henrikfitch4017 just don't touch anybody
@@martalevin4829 You are the only one hating people here. I just want everyone to have equal rights. Why do you insist on denying gay people marriage? What harm does gay marriage do to you or anyone else?
@@henrikfitch4017 why are switching accounts?