Yeah basically Barbarian wants two stats: Movespeed, and more Vigor. Those two stats happen to scale well way longer than other stats do, Vigor doesn’t fall off for a long while and flat MS buffs never fall off until the 115% cap
Yeah we better nerf double jump again. Honestly it should just take away ten HP everytime you double jump. Also wizards should have to cook a full meal, suck off a local barbarian and then jerk himself to completion before he’s allowed to get spells back. Also buff barbarian movespeed I got outran yesterday while in full pdr kit and that’s not okay.
Good vid, think the game audio should've been quieter or your voice a bit louder though. Subtitles really helped in the moments you were a bit more hard to hear.
8:32 you got me there lol. I appreciate that you are talking smartly about this actual problem instead of just complaining or just saying get good, but this class is not "Somewhat broke" you are either broken or you are not, and the fact everybody keeps dying to just barbs speaks volumes about the class state.
This makes so much sense to me now, hence why I keep dyeing as rouge, barb is legit the new rouge as you said yourself there no point playing rouge anymore as bard does everything he does and better
It's a bit counterintuitive. Gear scaling makes barb OP because the base stats for barbarian are hands down the best in the game. Barb needs less gear investment to reach key stat thresholds that cover their weaknesses. Min maxing is cheapest and easiest for barb. For example, rogue and barb are the only two classes which start off at 25 for two of their main combat stats. Rogue, however, has strength and vigor in the single digits, while barb already has agility / dex at 13/12. Barb move speed in norms with common gear is going to be below average, and there is a genuine tradeoff for tankiness if you build for speed with common gear. That's why barb in norms is strong but not oppressive. In HR, though, a barb running a purple set consisting of leather cap, reinforced gloves, loose trousers, and laced turnshoe gives them 23 agi and 35 vigor, let alone added stats from the cape or jewelry, and let alone their serviceable dex, 25 strength, and crazy magic resist from above average will and the iron will perk. I say this as someone who loves playing barb but recognizes it needs a slight nerf. Nothing too major
Hey bud, your audio really needs some work. I turned my base all the way down and still struggled to understand you over the audio of the in-game volume. I would turn up your volume, turn down some of the bass in the equalizer and then turn down the end game volume.
The stats are just messed up a rogue would kill to have 32 str 35 vigor. Your agility and movespeed are higher than most rogues. So the only thing you're missing out on is Dex (the worst stat in the game) and Resourcefulness which Barb can circumvent almost entirely with smash. A barb with movespeed is just a rogue with 30 str 30 vigor and one shot potential, isn't that what everyone whined rogues were doing
No one ever talks about how OP the move speed buff on rage is. A fucking barb should not be out running a rogue. They need to nerf it down to 5 or 10% move speed buff
I have been playing fighter a lot, I find him so weak with kinda useless passives... It's sad. I don't want to switch to barbarian, but it seems so much better and fun.
@@donttouchmysoda7551 I completely agree with this! and achiles strike should't slow that much as well it could work like cleric's bind, like stun for 0.75s instead of 2.5 secs super slow
@josecunha8385 or give it a much longer cd so it can't be used 3 times a fight, if we're gonna slow them down they need some sort of skill check to catch people, but at the same time they shouldnt be allowed an entire inventory of axes to throw
I dont know man rage having a move speed buff is a big part of the issue. you are a class that with rage and achilles you both slow the enemy and gain speed causing a massive imbalance in the speed between 2 equal kits. now without that speed buff I dont see barbarian as being viable as he would kinda be in the same boat as warlock without spells so I think instead rage should have a bigger penalty other than the armor debuff because that is countered by the hp gain instead I think rage should lower your hp making you rather squishy but hard hitting cementing it as a chase mechanic rather than an always pop this at the start of a fight mechanic
Couldn’t they easily nerf barb properly by causing the buff you get from speed do less% seems they’re only too fast after the shout. They shouldn’t be so slow they can be skirted constantly, but maybe even limiting the run speed time without stacking buff duration.. I think people love playing metas because they hate fun Andy just want to win everytime
I'm really waiting for something from IM cus solo is just pve simulator or 1v3 and if you happen to 1v1 you're fighting a guy with 180 hp and more damage
The problem with this class is that you're able to wear anything in the game. Logically, there's no reason why barbs should be wearing old cloth and very light gear, they should remove it's ability to wear clothes and just keep it leather and higher.
You keep saying, “the gear, the gear, the gear.” Yet you’re not mentioning you have 301 movespeed base barb, but when you use your rage you have 346ish. And then the slow with Achilles. Nothing to do with gear. Barbs should not be faster than rogues and wizards.
also I didn't mention fighter with a sprint, rogue with a smoke pot/invis, wizard with 25 spells, support bard that's stronger than the most, cleric that can hit harder than barb, ranger that can 2 shot you half across the map. If it has nothing to do with gear the base of barbarian remain true to it's original nature.
barbs definitely should be the fastest class, and the strongest! Look at them jacked monsters. Rogues and wizards have specialties that make them strong in there own ways
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Yeah basically Barbarian wants two stats: Movespeed, and more Vigor. Those two stats happen to scale well way longer than other stats do, Vigor doesn’t fall off for a long while and flat MS buffs never fall off until the 115% cap
Yeah we better nerf double jump again. Honestly it should just take away ten HP everytime you double jump. Also wizards should have to cook a full meal, suck off a local barbarian and then jerk himself to completion before he’s allowed to get spells back. Also buff barbarian movespeed I got outran yesterday while in full pdr kit and that’s not okay.
Loose trousers should be class specific to Rogue and maybe ranger. That would be a simple change to Barb.
Wizard/Lock might wear them too, mayeb just break armor in to leather/cloth/mail/plate and make Barbs wear leather/mail or be naked
thanks for this vod this helped me more than you could imagine and this information will be used for my for coming games and to slowly getting better
Glad you enjoyed it.
Good vid, think the game audio should've been quieter or your voice a bit louder though. Subtitles really helped in the moments you were a bit more hard to hear.
Great video brother keep up the amazing work
8:32 you got me there lol. I appreciate that you are talking smartly about this actual problem instead of just complaining or just saying get good, but this class is not "Somewhat broke" you are either broken or you are not, and the fact everybody keeps dying to just barbs speaks volumes about the class state.
This makes so much sense to me now, hence why I keep dyeing as rouge, barb is legit the new rouge as you said yourself there no point playing rouge anymore as bard does everything he does and better
Rogue*
@@RuckFussia thanks my bad😂😆
@@iiTzGrimm101 It's a common mistake, rouge actually means red in French :).
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It's a bit counterintuitive.
Gear scaling makes barb OP because the base stats for barbarian are hands down the best in the game. Barb needs less gear investment to reach key stat thresholds that cover their weaknesses. Min maxing is cheapest and easiest for barb.
For example, rogue and barb are the only two classes which start off at 25 for two of their main combat stats. Rogue, however, has strength and vigor in the single digits, while barb already has agility / dex at 13/12. Barb move speed in norms with common gear is going to be below average, and there is a genuine tradeoff for tankiness if you build for speed with common gear. That's why barb in norms is strong but not oppressive.
In HR, though, a barb running a purple set consisting of leather cap, reinforced gloves, loose trousers, and laced turnshoe gives them 23 agi and 35 vigor, let alone added stats from the cape or jewelry, and let alone their serviceable dex, 25 strength, and crazy magic resist from above average will and the iron will perk.
I say this as someone who loves playing barb but recognizes it needs a slight nerf. Nothing too major
Hey bud, your audio really needs some work. I turned my base all the way down and still struggled to understand you over the audio of the in-game volume.
I would turn up your volume, turn down some of the bass in the equalizer and then turn down the end game volume.
I remember a time when naked wiz could 1v3 teams in the playtests. Sigh. Now its just be barb - buy axes, stack agi + vig, and hold W. Sadge ;(
Best time ever!
The stats are just messed up a rogue would kill to have 32 str 35 vigor. Your agility and movespeed are higher than most rogues. So the only thing you're missing out on is Dex (the worst stat in the game) and Resourcefulness which Barb can circumvent almost entirely with smash.
A barb with movespeed is just a rogue with 30 str 30 vigor and one shot potential, isn't that what everyone whined rogues were doing
Missing a swing on any 2 handed weapon should have the same penalty as felling
felling is a snowballing tool, zwei hander has a 3 piece combo. with a delay after 3rd attack.
Hey bro, very nice video as per usual, but can you try to speak a bit further away from the mic?
I personally find that too much of winning and losing is tied to move speed. pretty lame as it is.
No one ever talks about how OP the move speed buff on rage is. A fucking barb should not be out running a rogue. They need to nerf it down to 5 or 10% move speed buff
I have been playing fighter a lot, I find him so weak with kinda useless passives... It's sad. I don't want to switch to barbarian, but it seems so much better and fun.
Try it, barb been always good, in any state!
@@DnDimo Yeah, Barb keeps getting buffed, xD
Maybe thier base agi needs a nerf or take the speed away from rage and give it a bit of pdr
I though the same thing, the shout shouldn’t scale with gear.
@@Whateveryoutube-cs9gi yea like making it a base 10 add move speed instead of 15% or whatever it currently is
@@donttouchmysoda7551 I completely agree with this! and achiles strike should't slow that much as well it could work like cleric's bind, like stun for 0.75s instead of 2.5 secs super slow
@josecunha8385 or give it a much longer cd so it can't be used 3 times a fight, if we're gonna slow them down they need some sort of skill check to catch people, but at the same time they shouldnt be allowed an entire inventory of axes to throw
Good video in general but I do think you should decrease game volume while increasing your own audio for videos like this.
Thanks for the tip. I did it though but not enough 😔 I reduced game by 35db and increased voice by 15
I dont know man rage having a move speed buff is a big part of the issue. you are a class that with rage and achilles you both slow the enemy and gain speed causing a massive imbalance in the speed between 2 equal kits. now without that speed buff I dont see barbarian as being viable as he would kinda be in the same boat as warlock without spells so I think instead rage should have a bigger penalty other than the armor debuff because that is countered by the hp gain instead I think rage should lower your hp making you rather squishy but hard hitting cementing it as a chase mechanic rather than an always pop this at the start of a fight mechanic
Thank you for sharing your opinion💪
Couldn’t they easily nerf barb properly by causing the buff you get from speed do less% seems they’re only too fast after the shout. They shouldn’t be so slow they can be skirted constantly, but maybe even limiting the run speed time without stacking buff duration.. I think people love playing metas because they hate fun Andy just want to win everytime
I'm really waiting for something from IM cus solo is just pve simulator or 1v3 and if you happen to 1v1 you're fighting a guy with 180 hp and more damage
I think youre right.. barbarian isnt super op, its the gear thats broken. 😞
The game audio is drowning out your voice my friend
damn(
I can’t wait to have you in a lobby where you don’t kill me 😂
that's impossbile, his barb with the wallhack he's running is pretty though
Great to see negan again,
They should just nerf the stat agility, let’s be honest agility rules this game
The problem with this class is that you're able to wear anything in the game. Logically, there's no reason why barbs should be wearing old cloth and very light gear, they should remove it's ability to wear clothes and just keep it leather and higher.
Very very good point!
Mage skilled van 1vs3 bit barb cant. Maybe the speed is the problem. Idk.
Okay bro don’t ask me to subscribe when I can’t even hear you over the game audio. Don’t disrespect me like that. Nice gameplay tho
this what what we youtubers need to do
You keep saying, “the gear, the gear, the gear.” Yet you’re not mentioning you have 301 movespeed base barb, but when you use your rage you have 346ish. And then the slow with Achilles. Nothing to do with gear. Barbs should not be faster than rogues and wizards.
also I didn't mention fighter with a sprint, rogue with a smoke pot/invis, wizard with 25 spells, support bard that's stronger than the most, cleric that can hit harder than barb, ranger that can 2 shot you half across the map. If it has nothing to do with gear the base of barbarian remain true to it's original nature.
barbs definitely should be the fastest class, and the strongest! Look at them jacked monsters. Rogues and wizards have specialties that make them strong in there own ways
I suggest buff barb to additional 30% move speed instead of 15% that would solve the problem!!!@@DC-vp1iq
Why are you trying to include wizards, lmao, by all fantasy game metrics wizards should be slow as fuck
Lemme hit demigod first then they can nerf him
Me personally i would not be playing after i die to game crashing while fighting lich, let alone dc'ing as often as you
Your videos would have a lot more subs if you weren’t so soft spoken. Or turn down game volume.
brother did you check my recent wideos? I changed my mic and the quality I think has improved
0:16 damn i hate when people does this..
does what ?)
Club = pdr counter
I love club!
we can barely hear what ur saying lol...
I watched it on my phone, I also watched it on my pc with default audio output.
@@WonderxSkills that's exactly what im doing. I am we. but apparently some smartass called WonderxCunt decided to reply