Hear me out on this: Camille is Sloth. I mean, I *know,* but if you look at how the sin of sloth was originally defined in theological sources, it's not necessarily about laziness qua laziness; the connotations are of *spiritual* torpor. Nihilistic despair, cynicism, and a sense of utter fatalistic indifference -- not even caring that you don't care -- to the point of self-annihilation. Camille being a workaholic who's utterly dead inside and accepts her fate calmly is actually a really neat spin on that. Which means you can reshuffle to make Victorine Pride and Frederick Wrath, which I personally prefer.
That's a super good point actually! I didn't even consider looking at the sins from their original intent, I just read them through the modern lens, as that's what the modern viewer would tend to do. I can totally see your interpretation!
She also kinda spills it with her high epiphany with Leo. She’s a ceiling fan in a room of smoke and mirrors who spins and spins but never goes anywhere and eventually comes to the conclusion that neither she nor anyone in the Usher family truly *makes* anything. Edit: also I totally agree with you on the sun reshuffle in light of that any will only add the notion that Madeline is the primary vessel for Greed as she seeks both infinite money and infinite *time* with her immortality obsession and Rodrick acts as the conduit around which all sins spawn as he shares and imparts the poisons of sin to everyone around him.
I think most were spot on but I'd argue: Victorine was Pride, her inability to admit failure wound up being her ultimate downfall. It was pride that led her to take far more credit for their experiments than she truly deserved. Napoleon was Wrath, he kept his emotions reigned in with cocktails of drugs but in their absence he let his rage overtake him leading to his downfall. And Camille was Gluttony, but not in the 'food' sense. She was a glutton for information and control as well as being something of a workaholic. The white perhaps representing a blank canvas or emptiness that never seemed to be filled, and she seemed to share a close affinity with Leo and his pursuits of pharmaceutical satisfaction.
I can definitely see the arguments for all of those. What makes the 7 Deadly Sins approach to the crew very interesting to me is the amount of individual interpretation involved that prevent there from being 1 clear answer for several of them. Like Perry being Lust or Wrath, Victorine and Camille especially can be interpreted in a lot of ways. Napoleon's Wrath can also be shown through his death potentially, tearing down his apartment. It's super interesting to hear your thoughts and helps me think through the characters better, I didn't even consider gluttony for Camille! Thanks for sharing!
This is the best video on the characters comparison to the deadly sins. I thought that there was an overlap of the sins, I was only sure about Prospero’s association with lust and Napoleon’s gluttony. You have explained this wonderfully, it makes complete sense now
Thank you so much! It really all just clicked for me one day and I was looking to see if I could find anyone else talking about it, and there really wasn't much, so I just threw this out into the world hoping others had the same thoughts! I'm so happy that it made sense!
I don't really see the family as the seven deadly sins. I see each child moreso representing a portion of Roderick's own sins, each choosing to repeat aspects of his own flaws that he himself never paid for. And Lenore is the potential for good that Roderick and Madeline chose not to fulfill.
Honestly I didn't think about colors while watching this show at all, I was too gripped by the mystery 😅 But all that you said makes total sense, so kudos!
If I’m being honest I do associate Lenore with something, but not a sin I associate her with the heavenly virtue of kindness as she is the only good usher and was willing to defy her father and help her mother
I considered bringing this up! That she might be considered one of the virtues, but I couldn't really decide which one. Kindness and Charity stood out to me as the most likely two, but thinking about it now, maybe she was meant to represent all of them in some manner? But TLDR, I totally agree and I'm glad you mentioned it!
Great video! I'm only at Victorine rn but will catch up as I get through the series! You've laid everything out so clearly so far though! Never thought about them representing the deadly sins, but now it seems so obvious!
I'm so glad you've enjoyed everything you've seen so far! It means a lot to me that so many people are having fun with it! I hope you like the rest when you return!
@@acerpotatorYT Finally got to finish the show and your video. Loved the rest of it and. completely agree with your colour theory segment! Although, i'm somewhat disappointed by the show itself. For every death it felt like there was a clear moment where Verna gave them a way out or to redeem themselves. So when they revealed that it was all a curse and their deaths were inevitable I have to say i was a bit let down :( Do you think you'll do videos for other Mike Flanagan projects?
I'm thrilled that you enjoyed it! And yeah, I do agree that the lack of an out seems somewhat counter to the curse. My best guess is that they could have gotten a peaceful death like Lenore? But it does lessen the impact of their individual choices. I definitely will! Especially since this one has gotten such a positive response! I have another video I've been working on that's unrelated that will come out first, but I already have some ideas for Hill House and Bly Manor. I'll need to rewatch the shows though to verify my thoughts.
I do think the colors were very deliberate to each character. The sins, not so much. Every sibiling was guility from some form of sin. You can say Leo was Lust, because of his infidelity and his "reputation" of a stud. You could give pride to all of them, Envy fits perfectly to Camille, who hated Vic for being what she could't be, But also Perry, because he wanted to be taken as seriously as anybof his other sibilings. It reminds me of the theory for the Cranes from Haunting of Hill House...Stages of grief? Which was never confirmed by none of the original cast or crew.
I do agree that all of the cast display the attributes of most sins, but I also think that all of them do display one sin at least slightly more than others. Admittedly, the biggest hole in my thoughts is probably Leo being Gluttony, so it's certainly possible that none of this was intended. Camille could definitely be described as envy as well. But I do think that it's fairly likely the sins were at least considered when writing each of the characters. I can't know for sure though and am willing to admit I might just be wrong and reading too far into it all, but I still had fun with it!
Yeah the colour theory theming is a bit silly. Like for some there's the clear connection towards their sins, but for many the colour grading is mostly to seperate out the characters, to make them feel more isolated and stuck in their own worlds, to seperate out their themes, not to actually brand there themes. Except for Tammy and Prospero, but green for envy and red for lust are so strongly associated it would have been strange not to lean into it as they did, also Prospero's death being based on the masque of the red death meant his colour HAD to be red anyway. Camile I don't understand how anyone can think her colour was anything but white. He hair is white, her outfits are all white as the focal colour, and of course white is perfect for pride. It's pristine, perfect, untouchable, sterile, angelic, all things well connected with pride.
I agree, the show's use of color is very distinct and useful for cinematography, but people tend to rely on it alone to make a whole lot of assumptions. I think they can be useful, like for Tammy and Prospero as you mentioned, but research needs to be done in more realms than just that. And Prospero's story being based on Masque of the Red Death is a very good point that I forgot to mention, thanks for bringing it up!
Yellow is the color of fat, which could be associated with gluttony. Blue is the color of depression which could be associated with sloth. A Little ableist of me but there it is.
Thank you so much! It really means a lot! I'm still trying to find my style, but I guess I'll need to keep making more content and see what people like most! It definitely seems like this topic and style worked really well though!
Hear me out on this: Camille is Sloth. I mean, I *know,* but if you look at how the sin of sloth was originally defined in theological sources, it's not necessarily about laziness qua laziness; the connotations are of *spiritual* torpor. Nihilistic despair, cynicism, and a sense of utter fatalistic indifference -- not even caring that you don't care -- to the point of self-annihilation. Camille being a workaholic who's utterly dead inside and accepts her fate calmly is actually a really neat spin on that. Which means you can reshuffle to make Victorine Pride and Frederick Wrath, which I personally prefer.
That's a super good point actually! I didn't even consider looking at the sins from their original intent, I just read them through the modern lens, as that's what the modern viewer would tend to do. I can totally see your interpretation!
She also kinda spills it with her high epiphany with Leo. She’s a ceiling fan in a room of smoke and mirrors who spins and spins but never goes anywhere and eventually comes to the conclusion that neither she nor anyone in the Usher family truly *makes* anything.
Edit: also I totally agree with you on the sun reshuffle in light of that any will only add the notion that Madeline is the primary vessel for Greed as she seeks both infinite money and infinite *time* with her immortality obsession and Rodrick acts as the conduit around which all sins spawn as he shares and imparts the poisons of sin to everyone around him.
I think most were spot on but I'd argue: Victorine was Pride, her inability to admit failure wound up being her ultimate downfall. It was pride that led her to take far more credit for their experiments than she truly deserved. Napoleon was Wrath, he kept his emotions reigned in with cocktails of drugs but in their absence he let his rage overtake him leading to his downfall. And Camille was Gluttony, but not in the 'food' sense. She was a glutton for information and control as well as being something of a workaholic. The white perhaps representing a blank canvas or emptiness that never seemed to be filled, and she seemed to share a close affinity with Leo and his pursuits of pharmaceutical satisfaction.
I can definitely see the arguments for all of those. What makes the 7 Deadly Sins approach to the crew very interesting to me is the amount of individual interpretation involved that prevent there from being 1 clear answer for several of them. Like Perry being Lust or Wrath, Victorine and Camille especially can be interpreted in a lot of ways. Napoleon's Wrath can also be shown through his death potentially, tearing down his apartment. It's super interesting to hear your thoughts and helps me think through the characters better, I didn't even consider gluttony for Camille! Thanks for sharing!
This makes more sense!!
This is the best video on the characters comparison to the deadly sins. I thought that there was an overlap of the sins, I was only sure about Prospero’s association with lust and Napoleon’s gluttony. You have explained this wonderfully, it makes complete sense now
Thank you so much! It really all just clicked for me one day and I was looking to see if I could find anyone else talking about it, and there really wasn't much, so I just threw this out into the world hoping others had the same thoughts! I'm so happy that it made sense!
I don't really see the family as the seven deadly sins. I see each child moreso representing a portion of Roderick's own sins, each choosing to repeat aspects of his own flaws that he himself never paid for. And Lenore is the potential for good that Roderick and Madeline chose not to fulfill.
Honestly I didn't think about colors while watching this show at all, I was too gripped by the mystery 😅 But all that you said makes total sense, so kudos!
Lol, thanks! I blame all of the video essays I've watched on extreme symbolism for why I've noticed this stuff. I'm just super glad you enjoyed it!
If I’m being honest I do associate Lenore with something, but not a sin
I associate her with the heavenly virtue of kindness as she is the only good usher and was willing to defy her father and help her mother
I considered bringing this up! That she might be considered one of the virtues, but I couldn't really decide which one. Kindness and Charity stood out to me as the most likely two, but thinking about it now, maybe she was meant to represent all of them in some manner? But TLDR, I totally agree and I'm glad you mentioned it!
I agree. Her death broke my heart. She was so brave and kind. The world became better thanks to her..
Great video! I'm only at Victorine rn but will catch up as I get through the series! You've laid everything out so clearly so far though! Never thought about them representing the deadly sins, but now it seems so obvious!
I'm so glad you've enjoyed everything you've seen so far! It means a lot to me that so many people are having fun with it! I hope you like the rest when you return!
@@acerpotatorYT Finally got to finish the show and your video. Loved the rest of it and. completely agree with your colour theory segment! Although, i'm somewhat disappointed by the show itself. For every death it felt like there was a clear moment where Verna gave them a way out or to redeem themselves. So when they revealed that it was all a curse and their deaths were inevitable I have to say i was a bit let down :(
Do you think you'll do videos for other Mike Flanagan projects?
I'm thrilled that you enjoyed it! And yeah, I do agree that the lack of an out seems somewhat counter to the curse. My best guess is that they could have gotten a peaceful death like Lenore? But it does lessen the impact of their individual choices.
I definitely will! Especially since this one has gotten such a positive response! I have another video I've been working on that's unrelated that will come out first, but I already have some ideas for Hill House and Bly Manor. I'll need to rewatch the shows though to verify my thoughts.
I do think the colors were very deliberate to each character. The sins, not so much. Every sibiling was guility from some form of sin. You can say Leo was Lust, because of his infidelity and his "reputation" of a stud. You could give pride to all of them, Envy fits perfectly to Camille, who hated Vic for being what she could't be, But also Perry, because he wanted to be taken as seriously as anybof his other sibilings. It reminds me of the theory for the Cranes from Haunting of Hill House...Stages of grief? Which was never confirmed by none of the original cast or crew.
I do agree that all of the cast display the attributes of most sins, but I also think that all of them do display one sin at least slightly more than others. Admittedly, the biggest hole in my thoughts is probably Leo being Gluttony, so it's certainly possible that none of this was intended. Camille could definitely be described as envy as well. But I do think that it's fairly likely the sins were at least considered when writing each of the characters. I can't know for sure though and am willing to admit I might just be wrong and reading too far into it all, but I still had fun with it!
Yeah the colour theory theming is a bit silly. Like for some there's the clear connection towards their sins, but for many the colour grading is mostly to seperate out the characters, to make them feel more isolated and stuck in their own worlds, to seperate out their themes, not to actually brand there themes. Except for Tammy and Prospero, but green for envy and red for lust are so strongly associated it would have been strange not to lean into it as they did, also Prospero's death being based on the masque of the red death meant his colour HAD to be red anyway.
Camile I don't understand how anyone can think her colour was anything but white. He hair is white, her outfits are all white as the focal colour, and of course white is perfect for pride. It's pristine, perfect, untouchable, sterile, angelic, all things well connected with pride.
I agree, the show's use of color is very distinct and useful for cinematography, but people tend to rely on it alone to make a whole lot of assumptions. I think they can be useful, like for Tammy and Prospero as you mentioned, but research needs to be done in more realms than just that.
And Prospero's story being based on Masque of the Red Death is a very good point that I forgot to mention, thanks for bringing it up!
Yellow is the color of fat, which could be associated with gluttony. Blue is the color of depression which could be associated with sloth. A Little ableist of me but there it is.
YES! Thank you! That's what I was trying to think of for yellow! I ended up on honey and thought my brain was going on a weird tangent!
@@acerpotatorYT No problem, very well thought out video, I enjoyed it!
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent analysis. I'm kinda surprised how few views and subscribers you have!
Thank you so much! It really means a lot! I'm still trying to find my style, but I guess I'll need to keep making more content and see what people like most! It definitely seems like this topic and style worked really well though!
Great video! 🎉
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊
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