Intro to GREAT BASS Recorder! | Team Recorder
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- Welcome to the great bass recorder in C! Everything you ever wanted to know - its historical basis, how read it, technique tips, repertoire and instruments... and you get to hear a Renaissance, Baroque and Modern version!
Check out these two amazing sources:
Adrian Brown Renaissance recorder database
adrianbrown.org/renaissance-r...
David Lasocki's book ‘Not just the alto’
davidlasocki.com/store/Lasock...
/// TIMESTAMPS
00:48 what is it?
01:43 did it exist in the renaissance?
05:32 renaissance recorder demo
06:59 did it exist in baroque music?
09:38 baroque recorder demo
12:21 naming the recorders
14:11 meet my paetzold
13:30 how to its read music
15:08 repertoire to play
16:16 instruments to buy
/// INSTRUMENTS
In this video I play on:
- Renaissance consort C bass by Adriana Breukink (borrowed from recorder consort Block4, thank you!)
- Baroque great bass by Küng Superio (borrowed from Belper Recorder Players, thanks you!)
- Paetzold C bass recorder (my own and it sounds a bit clunky because I dropped it off the stage at a gig, oops)
/// LINKS
Küng Superio great bass
www.kueng-blockfloeten.ch/en/r...
Adriana Breukink consort recorders
www.adrianabreukink.com/recor...
Adrian Brown Renaissance recorder database
adrianbrown.org/renaissance-r...
Syntagma Musicum (1614) by Michael Praetorius
imslp.org/wiki/Syntagma_Music...)
Harmonie Universelle (1636) by Marin Mersenne
imslp.org/wiki/Harmonie_Unive...)
David Lasocki ‘Not just the alto’
davidlasocki.com/store/Lasock...
Block4 recorder quartet
www.block4.co.uk
Paetzold recorders
www.kunath.com/
Great Bass Pratice Book by Hugh Gorton
www.recordermail.co.uk/cgi-bi...
‘Sea Bass for two’ by Marg Hall
www.recordermail.co.uk/cgi-bi...
‘Sicilian Defense’ by Steve Marshall
www.recordermail.co.uk/cgi-bi...
Buy great basses in the US at the Early Music Shop Von Huene
www.vonhuene.com/c-47-great-b...
Millenium Coolsma recorders
www.aafab.nl/fluit_detail.php...[]=3&classnumber[]=-1&typenumber[]=-1&materialnumber[]=-1
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Every Thursday "I feel like I need to buy a recorder" once I master the ukulele. Thanks Sarah 😊
Haha sorry!
@@Team_Recorder no need to be sorry. I learned the record, over 20 years ago, from time to time I bought one just not to forget but for now the ukulele is my joy. Soon I'll take the record again and I'll rejoin the recorder team 😍😍😍
Why wait? I work on both ukulele and recorder (ok, and tin whistle, flute, ocarina and a few other things).
@@cjkagdis I can't dedicate time for everything I want to do and I'm also working on my TH-cam channel (don't take me wrong, it's advice for myself), 8h work plus some missionary work ... I wanna do it well and I need time for that 😊
@@cjkagdis 19 instruments for me (20 if you include the kazoo 😂) BTW: and all of the above in you post. And by flute that includes the concert flute, fife flute, pan flute, song flute and Native American flute. 👍 😊 ♫
Wow really love the sound of these lower recorders. Especially that Renaissance one, such a smooth silky sound!
It really is!
baroque pitch is more LOW
😂😂🎉
Sarah, I want to thank you for inspiring me to "really" play the Recorder (not just teaching my students Recorder Karate). I am involved with the St. Louis Recorder Society and taking private lessons from Anne Timberlake. Being a percussionist the Recorder is a different avenue for me, but I am loving it! Thank you!!!
Whenever I think of recorders for percussionists, I always think of Ligeti's Sippal, Dobbal, Nádihegedüvel percussion quartet.
I play the great bass recorder with a group of flutists, when there is a part that needs a bass flute or the bass line in arrangements. Funny thing is that with this group I play the extremes in terms of range, the great bass and basset for the bass and alto flute range, and the soprano and sopranino for piccolo flute range. My great bass is a second hand Moeck Tuju model, which isn't super, but I've learned how to make it sound good.
Ooh that's such a good use for it! How do you find it blends with the modern instruments?
@@Team_Recorder So it blends in better than expected. Actually, and this is just my opinion, I think the great bass recorder blends in better with modern flutes than the actual bass flute. Also, when performing in places with very live acoustics, like a church, the great bass really shines and fills the room, and helps the moderns flutes sound a little more rounder.
@@rrssna I'll bet it blends better because a flutist playing bass flute would put too much vibrato on it :-)
@@victotronics Definitely, I agree.
Yes, the new keys / pads could be played absolutly silent. And VERY important, there are two Paetzold Greatbasses. The one, shown in the video, and the model with the knick-head. The Paetzold by Kunath great-bass could also bought with both heads - because of their - described in the video - different sound.
GREAT VIDEO !!!!
Many years back I used to play recorders at the local folk sessions. I remember one night when just 3 of us had turned up & we had a very strange trio. I was playing great bass (Kung with crook), Glenn was on hammered dulcimer, and Judith had a hurdy-gurdy. One of the locals came over & said "I don't know what any of those instruments are!"
I haven't played the great bass for years - you've encouraged me to get it out & have a go again. I'm sure I will be dreadful through lack of practice!
Sounds a great session. When my recorder group plays out we often get interest in the bass or great bass - for some people it's their first experience of them.
I have composed a set of solo Fantasias, one for each size of recorder from garklein to contrabass. Published by Peacock Press.
Brilliant to hear, thanks for sharing Steve!
The sound of the great bass is just amazing... So warm and haunting. I may have to compose something for this instrument.
Thank you for this video! I play in a trio, we use tenor basset and C bass. Also play in a consort where our musical director has just acquired a huge recorder that’s about 7 foot tall! It adds such class and texture to the sound. Greetings from your biggest fan in Guernsey
impressive work you did here, you make an instrument that was compulsory in primary school very interesting, also your teaching is really natural, well done
Thank you for this - really helpful, and the historical context was very informative. I've started sketching a little piece for recorder - one player on tenor & great bass - accompanied by harp and percussion. I think the mellow yet expressive tone of the great bass would blend very nicely with harp/vibraphone in particular.
Thank you Sarah!
Deeply researched which is very interesting. Quality of content vs quantity (of views), the former wins in this case and I love it.
And yes, I paused the video to buy the book - no point in waiting until the end of the video.
The great bass recorder & the C bass flute with the low B foot joint make a good duo.
C bass with some suggested sauces. Tasty video; thanks ever so as usual, Sarah. :-)
Hi Sarah - i just heard from someone in the Netherlands who bought 'Sea Bass for Two' and was disappointed to find it is in bass clef (P716A). So I've let her know that there's a treble clef version P716B and I'm sure Ruth will exchange it (Recorder music Mail) Thanks for mention - great videos!
This reminds me of a bass clarinet. ❤️❤️❤️
Hello Sarah, I'd suggest that you check out the renaissance recorders being made by Martin Praetorius in Germany. He makes the sizes sopranino through the contra bass (octave below the basset). He also makes a treble in G and a basset in G. His instruments are wonderful. I have several of them now.
I love the sound of that. Very similar sound to the bass clarinet
Hi Sarah…the hole spacing looks like it would hurt, but, whoops, well you just explained how you like it, so, well, never mind. Love your videos!
You didn't mention that the knick on the Kueng is reversible, so you can adapt it to your seat height if you play sitting. It's a brilliant instrument. Oh, and: great video, of course.
Fabulous sounds and a nice job of making history interesting. 😁👏👏
Edit:- 'C' bass, lovely with a bit of tartar sauce.
Edit 2:- should have waited a few more minutes before posting the first edit.
I have a Mollenhauer 5606 Denner. It's a nice instrument, but I don't play it very often as it's hard on my RH wrist.
When I first had it I took it to school to show the kids - but when it was time to put it away the floor spike was totally wedged in and it took about four adults to remove it. I smeared tons of grease over it the next time but it still couldn't go fully in without getting stuck. So now I only push it in a short distance.
Wow! Fascinating 🙄
I purchased a great bass last year. I got a Yamaha because my local music store gave me a GREAT deal on it! I’m really enjoying it.
How are you liking it after a few months playing it?
I have the Yamaha great bass with its bocal. My wife's Mollenhauer great bass (knick rather than bocal) is so much more immediate in response, and so much more generous & open in sound. I'm jealous.
~GrrraAnde fLûte !~
Golly gosh, I'd pay for more of Sarah's talents de lecture à haute voix.
Good morning @Team_Recorder ! OMG. You are so cheerful and joyous! I love your videos. I even watch the ones for recorders I'm not interested in just to enjoy your shine hahaha
Can you please help me? I'm looking to learn recorder and I'm drawn to the lower registers of the great bass. Unfortunately, I cannot stop hearing the clicking of their keys. Like so many zombies gnashing their teeth. Okay. Maybe not that bad. But I can't think of a noisier instrument. Are there silent bass recorders that do not require octopus fingers? What's the quietest bass recorder? I see some tenor recorders with no keys used by apparently surgically enhanced players. But I love the low range and power of the great bass. Please help. And most importantly, please continue to share your bright heart with as many as you can. Thank you!
I love my great. I usually play it in an orchestra, but sometimes I'll play Van Eyck on it, when I'm alone.
Hi Sarah. I was wondering if you could do a video on using your recorder to learn to recognise different notes and intervals by ear? And maybe something on working in different modes and how you might recognise them? Thanks for all the great content so far. I have been playing a cheap charity shop recorder and your content has been useful and inspiring. Especially all of the information on buying a first wooden recorder.
Good idea! I did a video on ‘how to learn by ear’, which is a bit more generalised- maybe check that one out and then see what I can help you with further?
Big woodwind instruments make me think about my favorite low instrument (the bassoon)
Shopping round for one of these at the moment. I think the extra air being required is something more unique to the Kung. I found it needed a LOT of breath, I where as the mollenhauer knick great bass wasn't like that and more like the paetzolds and Yamaha.
Sarah, are there or have there ever been plastic great basses? Like by Yamaha, Aulos, etc.?
Great video :) your first version of "Knick" was correct, you do pronounce the first k there.
This whole video was a journey for her necklace hahaha
with a bit of tweaking Bach's cello suites work very well on a great bass :)
May I ask how long you can play a recorder like the Paetzold great bass? I only have a plastic basset recorder and have no idea if or when the wood would need a break.
Please use your connection to recorder makers, to suggest to them to make a plastic affordable Great Bass.
That Baroque bass fingering really resembles a Boehm flute.
My very scarce lung capacity prevents me from playing the tenor already... which can be considered lucky in a way, as those bass recorders may cost quite a pretty penny...
That said, very interesting video, lots of information :)
Of the baroque great basses (and the Paetzold), which would you recommend?
Do I play great bass? Do I?!?!?!?! :-) I'm adding to my collection right now, will have another great to add and a contra and sub great in the mix too! Will have new music out by the end of Summer I hope! Great job, Sarah!
Yesssssss to the bass recorders! :D Hope you're good, Jamison!
@@Team_Recorder Doing very well! Got some big things coming up this Summer, so I will keep you posted!
The thumbnail is wild
How does playing with a crook differ from blowing directly in regards to articulation?
honeslty Sarah that is a big bass recorder I never saw one like that big.
Sarah , poderia-mos considerar o Fujara eslavo como um exemplo de instrumento "precedente Histórico" das Flauta Doce Contrabaixo, que subsiste na Música Folklorica do povo Eslovaco? Cumprimentos do Brasil.
My recorder favourites are the alto and the great bass 😍 sadly I don't own a great bass 😔
This is the way
Hi, can you make a video where ypu explain how to switch from german to baroque fingering nicely?
May I ask what is the lowest possible price for a great bass recorder and where Can I find one ?
Heyy there Sarah I really enjoy your series I started recently and am already glued to my screen everyday. What's the name of this young you like to play Mam?
My great bass is my favorite recorder.
I chose a Mollenhauer over a Kung because I found that the Kung just took too much air, but I bet I would have less trouble with clogging on a direct-blow instrument like the Kung.
15:51 Chess reference?
Yes! I thought my hyperventilating days were decades behind me, but that Kueng had me dizzy the first time I played it. Now I'm used to it.
the küng baroque great bass is sooo beautiful... although in terms of sound I prefer the renaissance one
Can we now have a CONTRABASS recorder video? Maybe a sub great bass and sub contrabass as well maybe?
Save for myself:
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5:32
9:38
Telemann canonic duets on great basses!!! Yeah!!!
Great video! do you know if exist any great bass in 415? jooc.
Yessss I think they do exist but are quite rare!
Hey,
Do you have an recommendations when it comes to playing the great bass when someone does not have 3k (in euros) to buy one? I would love being able to play repertoir forthem, but am university student that just does not have that kind of money at the current time.
Would love some answers! See ya!
Great basses tend to be pretty expensive, as they aren’t often made in plastic.. second hand is a good bet- Early Music Shop 2nd hand market in the UK, recordersforsale.com , or the Early Music Shop of Boston MA in the US!
A question I’ve heard quite a bit was why don’t makers make a plastic great bass? Is it cost? I’ve always wondered as well.
I think it is! I heard from a recorder maker I know that just to invest in and set up the equipment to make a new model of plastic recorder is something like £38k. So they have to be sure to make a return on their investment!
That is a very valid point. I think recorder players just need to come together and show how much interest there is to have them made. I bet the company would get a good return on their investment. Thank you for sharing your knowledge Sarah!
Renaissance French is hard. When I studied literature, I had to read Rabelais. It's so hard.
Are you still playing with Royal Wind Music? Also, random thoughts: 'Knick' is German for 'knee' and the k is pronounced, just like in Monty Python's 'knights'. And: isn't Mersenne the one who suggested playing 4+ part music with 8' and 4' consorts together, all parts doubled at the octave? Maybe this was his own new idea. Also, Royal Wind Music experimented with 8' + 4' +2' consorts, but the sopranino dominates. Brown's Renaissance Recorder Database does show a variety of mouth widths and heights for all types of recorder, so it might be that some sopraninos would be soft enough not to overwhelm all else in such an ensemble. I still have an old, very soft soprano from the 60s, so it's possible.
Actually 'Knie' would be the german word for 'knee'. 'Knick' is the german word for 'bend' or 'fold'. Knickbass litterally means bent bass. And yes, both 'k' sounds are prounounced. The end just a tiny bit sharper than the beginning.
@@antoniahammer Yes, I should have remembered that. Long time since German classes. But Sarah, what about the other questions?
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Sound 0:21
Renaissance 5:32
Baroque 9:37
Modern 14:16
10:23 ‘cries of n low Eb bass clarinet’
A note: words that end in -y in English and -ia in italian are to be pronounced with the stress on the i, and the a is its own syllable. So, rather than mo-nàr-chia, mo-nar-chì-a.
Re the great bass falling out of use in the baroque era: you can't really hear the great bass well in a modern recording either, so the renaissance dude had a point 🤔 I'm curious what use modern day recorder players/composers found for the great bass compared to their renaissance and baroque colleagues.
You pronounce the K in Knick, Sarah (not silent in German). Have you ever played a Dolmetsch great bass?
It would be really nice if there was resin forms of the lower flutes
Paetzold by Kunath do 3D printed big basses now!
@@Team_RecorderReally?
would be cool if you could react to the ukranian recorder part from eurovision. (its not a recorder but similar i guess)
This may already be in the works ;)
Sarah I really like the baroque recorder and I really want to play a low wood wind and I don't know we're to get one and I really don't want to ask but I've been playing soprano for 1 in a half years and want to try something new and wanted to ask you if could have a baroque recorder
Well I want to try something new in the recorder family
would love to play a great bass recorder, but i aint droppin 5 grand for a lower version of the instrument i played in fourth grade
Wuao
Eb key on recorder? Keep adding keys and pretty soon you'll have a wooden saxophone instead. 🙃
Here’s jazz recorder player extraordinaire Tali Rubinstein extemporizing nicely on the jazz standard, In A Sentimental Mood:
th-cam.com/video/SmBNC6ttYaQ/w-d-xo.html
Thomas Prescott is in your list of recorder makers. Unfortunately, he is retiring and has no more great bass instruments available.
Oh, thanks for pointing this out! There are always second hand models - for instance, Bob Marvin sadly passed away, but his instruments pop up 2nd hand from time to time.
Here's another maker - Albert Lockwood made great basses as well others, - the full range
How does the great bass compare to a bassoon in range?
Starts an octave and a major second above the bassoon but has a range of ~ 2 octaves where as the bassoon's is ~3-4 octaves
@@nothanks4255 The bassoon has a 4 octave range.
I've always wanted a great bass, but in terms of money, there are other priorities every day. So unless i built one myself one day, it's probably not going to happen.....
trying to play my tenor is painful I can't imagine trying to play anything larger.
Hi Sarah, you said you are wondering how to pronouce "Knick" :) Well, in German, you do pronouce the "k". So German pronounciation really is "knick", not "nick" :)
Ah yes! In Dutch too 😄
Great Bass Kung need different fingering also for f sharp!
Hellooo
Sarah you're married to a clarinet player, and since the recorder and [classical] clarinet are both supposed to sound straight [w/o vibrato] why don't you make a video mixing or comparing them side by side?
the F basset and C great bass sound really good with middle and low clarinet registers
Ooh interesting idea!
Hi,Sarah !
The only recorder notated in this way? Apart from the f-bass or basset that is!
I took a while to get used to reading bass clef with c fingerings, and in the end I just stopped altogether playing the basset for several weeks, and just used the GB. Then I gradually reintroduced the basset. I can now do both equally well - usually. Problem is I can also play bassoon, where three fingers is also c, so 3 fingers g is a bit confusing at first.
The F-bass or basset are read with alto fingerings, whereas the great bass is read with soprano/tenor fingerings. So a D in the middle of the bass stave is 012 on f-bass(et) but only finger 2 on great bass. That’s what I meant!
Yes, Sarah. That’s a problem with reading c fingerings in the bass clef one octave lower. It’s not a problem with the notation - 1 octave below pitch notated in the bass clef.
@@Team_Recorder So, considering I'm primarily a low brass player used to playing bass clef in concert pitch, how is this a problem? Wouldn't that be the D fingering on both instruments as read on bass clef?
✞God bless you Sarah❣
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More like a bassoon
Sarah the greet bass is not a recorder
They didn't sound that "great" to me. The most I'd give them is "pretty good bass".